Darth Vader #17

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*As expected, most of the new Inquisitors were fodderized.
*Barr believes that Kenobi, Yoda, AND Quinlan Vos likely survived Order 66.
*Barr's "students" escaped to safety(for now.)
*Overall Barr's plan was... Interesting. Definitely not what I expected.

Zenwolf
I'm not sure what's more sad. The fact that Order 66 can just be activated like that or that 3 Inquisitors could barely handle 12 troopers.

Still...an interesting set of events I suppose.

Galan007
I was more confused as to why they attacked the Inquisitors at all, because I was under the impression that clones were programmed not to attack force-users if they are loyal to Palpatine/the Empire(hence why the 501st didn't try to kill Anakin during Operation Knightfall, for example.)

srug

Kurk
Nothing makes sense anymore

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
I was more confused as to why they attacked the Inquisitors, because I was under the impression that clones were programmed not to attack force-users if they are loyal to Palpatine/the Empire(hence why the 501st didn't try to kill Anakin during Operation Knightfall, for example.)

srug

Yeah...that doesn't really add up either.

Lord Stark
He used a mind trick last time at the end of the last issue tho right?

Galan007
This issue made it clear that Barr was exploiting the clones' "programming"... Which makes sense given that the files in his library detailed Order 66 and Kamino(among much more.)

Tbh, the issue implies that the clones attacked the Inquisitors because they were former Jedi. But again, that doesn't make sense to me because Vader is also a former Jedi and the clones never turned on him. /shrug

quanchi112
Meh-ville.

Flyattractor
Your hypocrisy and double standards knows now bounds.

Total Warrior
that order 66 thing worked because Bar did a mind trick to the clones too, right? Aniway, it's like the second time they remind us that Vos is still alive, and in this issue it's been implied that Verla may find him and train with him. I mean, Barr told her to go find Kenobi, Yoda or Vos, but I think Vos is the most likely one to be found by her. That is, if they don't completely forget this plot point and just move on as if nothing happened

quanchi112
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Your hypocrisy and double standards knows now bounds. ?

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Total Warrior
that order 66 thing worked because Bar did a mind trick to the clones too, right? Aniway, it's like the second time they remind us that Vos is still alive, and in this issue it's been implied that Verla may find him and train with him. I mean, Barr told her to go find Kenobi, Yoda or Vos, but I think Vos is the most likely one to be found by her. That is, if they don't completely forget this plot point and just move on as if nothing happened

I don't think he did. That even said, it's still dumb because the orders should only be activated by the Supreme Chancellor or Senate.

Even then, still having that order around while they are hunting Jedi is redundant....why do they need an order if what they are doing is hunting Jedi anyway?

TheIndyJedi
Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not sure what's more sad. The fact that Order 66 can just be activated like that or that 3 Inquisitors could barely handle 12 troopers.

Still...an interesting set of events I suppose.


Thats nothing new in Star Wars. Remember when Ki Adi Mundi and Alaya Secura died to Clone Troopers as well?

DarthPlaguis12

Darth Horror
According to Matt Martin, 9th Sister still lives.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
Thats nothing new in Star Wars. Remember when Ki Adi Mundi and Alaya Secura died to Clone Troopers as well?

Difference, big difference there.

Mundi had been engaged in battle for who knows how long given the state he was in and he was caught completely by surprise.

Secura was also caught by surprise.

The biggest difference was, they were alone. There were 3 Inquisitors there and it's not like they were surprised by the Order given the comments beforehand. The clones weren't even veterans from the Clone Wars but activated after Order 66 had been activated, so the best that these clones have is the training on Kamino...if that.

Total Warrior
Zenwolf, I believe those were death troopers, they are like special forces. We saw them in action in Rogue one and they were pretty efficient

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Total Warrior
Zenwolf, I believe those were death troopers, they are like special forces. We saw them in action in Rogue one and they were pretty efficient

Those aren't DT no, they are Inquisitor Troopers, an expendable death squad used by the Inquisitors that were activated after Order 66.

TheIndyJedi
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Difference, big difference there.

Mundi had been engaged in battle for who knows how long given the state he was in and he was caught completely by surprise.

Secura was also caught by surprise.

The biggest difference was, they were alone. There were 3 Inquisitors there and it's not like they were surprised by the Order given the comments beforehand. The clones weren't even veterans from the Clone Wars but activated after Order 66 had been activated, so the best that these clones have is the training on Kamino...if that.
Very true

Galan007
Originally posted by Total Warrior
that order 66 thing worked because Bar did a mind trick to the clones too, right? Nah, he essentially just exploited a 'flaw' in their programming by activating Order 66:

https://i.imgur.com/GLGLHgb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CMJ8mag.jpg


It was also stated that the clones would turn against Barr and Verla after they killed the Inquisitors... Which wouldn't have been the case if Barr himself were pulling their strings via a mind trick or w/e.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Zenwolf, I believe those were death troopers, they are like special forces. We saw them in action in Rogue one and they were pretty efficient Nope. The Death Troopers were regarded as elite soldiers within the Empire. These were just expendable n00bs:
https://i.imgur.com/4bbZq8C.jpg


*Their armor is also noticeably different from the DT's.

DarthPlaguis12
Barring the grand inquisitor the inquisitors are not that skilled it seems

Total Warrior
They are probably average Jedi fodder level, on par with those that we saw dying in the movies against droids and clones. If I recall correclty someone on twitter even said that most of them were padawans, so...

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Total Warrior
They are probably average Jedi fodder level, on par with those that we saw dying in the movies against droids and clones. If I recall correclty someone on twitter even said that most of them were padawans, so...

I'm not so sure even that, even Zett was able to get outside the Jedi Temple and kill 7 Clones before getting shot down. Which isn't even taking into account what Clones he might have fought inside the Temple as he made his way out...and these were some of the best veteran Clones in the GAR, not recently activated.

As far as the Arena battle on Geonosis goes in AoTC, honestly I found what we see the Jedi do in the background look more impressive. Heck there's one shown surrounded by at least 6 droids, he cleaves through 3 of them, deflects a bolt from behind and then destroys the other 2.

Total Warrior

Total Warrior

FreshestSlice
A very boring issue, which is why people here are debating about if it makes sense that Jedi have trouble with clones instead of the actual plot points.

Lord Stark
Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, he essentially just exploited a 'flaw' in their programming by activating Order 66:

https://i.imgur.com/GLGLHgb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CMJ8mag.jpg


It was also stated that the clones would turn against Barr and Verla after they killed the Inquisitors... Which wouldn't have been the case if Barr himself were pulling their strings via a mind trick or w/e.

Nope. The Death Troopers were regarded as elite soldiers within the Empire. These were just expendable n00bs:
https://i.imgur.com/4bbZq8C.jpg


*Their armor is also noticeably different from the DT's.

He is taking advantage of their programming, but he's also clearly using a mind trick.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/sp/524a836fe357f000df48456e6c42978f/Darth_Vader_016-020.jpg

Galan007
^ That was the final page of issue #16.

When the same scene was shown again in THIS issue, no 'emphasis' was placed on his finger gesture:

http://i.imgur.com/5mnd8yjh.jpg


As mentioned: it was stated quite explicitly that Barr used a flaw in the Clones' programming to turn them against the Inquisitors(and that 'flaw' = the activation of Order 66)... No mind-trick mentioned or alluded to, at all. /shrug

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