Carver Talks: Comparisons

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One Big Mob
(Approved by Carver)

What is Carver Talks? It is a discussion created by topics Carver (or the forum I guess) brings up. For the purposes of this thread, I feel it better if any future topics and comparisons are between the same company. After which, Carver will talk.

Basically a comparison thread using only the comics. For example, Wonder Woman vs Superman direct showings, Thor vs Hulk direct showings, Thor vs Hulk common opponents, etc. There's really no guidelines, just have actual scans to the topic you bring up. For example, Superman can speedblitz Hulk because of a showing between him and Flash is a no. However, a comparison between Superman and Flash's speed is more than welcome.


I'll post a bigger example. But it really doesn't have to be that in depth. You could just contrast how the two do against one common opponent, one scene, or whatever. It doesn't have to mean or amount to much, just post the comparisons.

One Big Mob
So, let's open up with an example, and one me and Carver agreed upon. Again, it doesn't have to go this far, or it can even go further if you want. I'll probably do a set of smaller comparisons after this one.


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The first of which will be of one Carver feels very strongly about, and that is Thanos vs Gladiator.

I will contrast all of their relevant opponents without adding any opinion of my own, and maybe a touch of context.

First off, let's show the direct comparisons

https://imgur.com/ILFBuAh
https://imgur.com/XklTWYY

Gladiator vs Weakened Thanos
https://imgur.com/GmRzqnn
https://imgur.com/8FcQDpq


Now, let's gets onto the common opponents. Let's start with the Gamma God

Hulk

Gladiator:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator01Annual1997.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator06.jpg


Thanosi:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos01X-ManHulkAnnual1998.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos08.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos11.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos12.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsThanos13.jpg


Thanos:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6195459-hulk+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6195462-hulk+2.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6195464-hulk+3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qePBG5U.png



Virtual reality battle:
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/7
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/8
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/9
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/10
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/11
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/12
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/13
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/14
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/15
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/16
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/17
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/18
https://readcomics.io/thanos-vs.-hulk/chapter-2/19




Annihulk

Gladiator:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-035.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-040.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-041.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-042.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-043.jpg



Thanos:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-073.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-074.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-075.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-076.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-077.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-079.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-080.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-081.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-082.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-083.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thanos/Thanos%20-%20The%20Infinity%20Relativity-084.jpg



Drax

Gladiator:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18197324/All-New_X-Men_024-013.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18197328/All-New_X-Men_024-014.jpg.html

https://imgur.com/JhpvJoq
https://imgur.com/8yoPZzu

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997744-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997747-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-010.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997749-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-011.jpg



Thanos:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1037176-annihilation4_025.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1037177-annihilation4_026.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1037178-annihilation4_027.jpg

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-003-019.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-003-020.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-003-021.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-003-022.jpg

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-004-016.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-thanos-imperative-004-017.jpg

https://imgur.com/DjHwQBt
https://imgur.com/zJY4wDz

https://imgur.com/KmfjCnr
https://imgur.com/Y0C1c59
https://imgur.com/8SoRLvH
https://imgur.com/888sCSb

I'm about 100 percent sure Bendis thought Drax was back to his previous incarnation here, either way, Bendis:
https://imgur.com/lZMagGz
https://imgur.com/Nvzfd24
https://imgur.com/ehjcAm7

https://imgur.com/xkmI8kT
https://imgur.com/ElekCkN
https://imgur.com/0orcpXd
https://imgur.com/qtCAQ5k
https://imgur.com/SKZppLT




Black Bolt

Gladiator:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284304/5301768-gladiator+95.jpg
https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284304/5301769-gladiator+96.jpg

https://imgur.com/j2J5y4q
https://imgur.com/wZVrgt9



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/gallery/p2IVl

One Big Mob
Phoenix


Gladiator:
https://imgur.com/q06SX27
https://imgur.com/jH0ZNhQ
https://imgur.com/omwenZb

https://imgur.com/QUYcr5K

Faded Echoes Rachel
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/13/139933/3916781-x-men+emperor+vulcan+05+%28thesaint-megan%29+pg011.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/13/139933/3916782-x-men+emperor+vulcan+05+%28thesaint-megan%29+pg015.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/13/139933/3916783-x-men+emperor+vulcan+05+%28thesaint-megan%29+pg016.jpg

Faded Echoes Korvus
https://imgur.com/UlgdrM0
https://imgur.com/ivgg2Gl

http://i.imgur.com/0pou28z.jpg

https://imgur.com/xKoc04P
https://imgur.com/lJDKn2m

Phoenix Five
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563322-wolverine+x-men-zone-003.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563323-wolverine+x-men-zone-005.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563324-wolverine+x-men-zone-010.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563325-wolverine+x-men-zone-011.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563326-wolverine+x-men-zone-014.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563327-wolverine+x-men-zone-016.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/4563328-wolverine+x-men-zone-017.jpg



Thanos:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274299/Thanos_011-003.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274307/Thanos_011-004.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274313/Thanos_011-005.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274315/Thanos_011-006.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274322/Thanos_011-007.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274329/Thanos_011-008.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274338/Thanos_011-009.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274347/Thanos_011-010.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274350/Thanos_011-011.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274355/Thanos_011-012.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274300/Thanos_011-013.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274306/Thanos_011-014.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274314/Thanos_011-015.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274321/Thanos_011-016.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274330/Thanos_011-017.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274333/Thanos_011-018.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274345/Thanos_011-019.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/36274353/Thanos_011-020.jpg.html



Champion

Gladiator:
https://imgur.com/bwkP8xy
https://imgur.com/9aBhlL3



Thanos:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991359-vs+champion+2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991361-vs+champion+3.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991362-vs+champion+4.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991363-vs+champion+5.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991364-vs+champion+6.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991365-vs+champion+7.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991366-vs+champion+8.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991367-vs+champion+9.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991368-vs+champion+10.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991369-vs+champion+11.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991370-vs+champion+12.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991371-vs+champion+13.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111199100/4991372-vs+champion+14.jpg



Thors

Gladiator:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator01445.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator05.jpg


https://imgur.com/a/IdcjW
https://imgur.com/68s2x8v



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/gallery/UOKLv

https://imgur.com/NfqFTLU
https://imgur.com/tUAyQ4C

https://imgur.com/IfNTkEq
https://imgur.com/9PtEhw5
https://imgur.com/G27rNnr
https://imgur.com/qTbq570
https://imgur.com/u2mFTO0
https://imgur.com/3Ua9Ahq

Powergem Thor
https://imgur.com/a/Ls5Dh#0



Heimdall

Gladiator:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5633099-thor2015015_int2-1.jpg
https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5633100-thor2015015_int2-2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5633101-thor2015015_int2-3.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5633102-thor2015015_int2-4.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111256151/5644422-9679485271-10.jp.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111256151/5644423-8627482287-11.jp.jpg



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/WYJqlSO
https://imgur.com/f6A6Ltc




Tyrant

Gladiator:
https://imgur.com/a/mLQLb#0



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/a/V06Jr#0




Galactus

Gladiator:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-24.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-26.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-27.jpg



Thanos:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/t-05-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/galactus14jn.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/galactus27ey.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/galactus35rc.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/Thanos0509.jpg




Nova

Gladiator:
https://imgur.com/a/c19JR#0



Thanos against the full Nova Force:
https://imgur.com/GDgs3JJ
https://imgur.com/RQuO5yK
https://imgur.com/s4uYxSS
https://imgur.com/yKQfSgt
https://imgur.com/L7t1CGv




Black Dwarf

Gladiator:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4099309-avengers+v5+023-020.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4099307-avengers+v5+023-021.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4099293-avengers+v5+023-022.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4099292-avengers+v5+023-023.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4099289-avengers+v5+023-024.jpg



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/a/OE2Or#0




Binary

Gladiator vs "perma" depowered Binary:
https://imgur.com/sdB2hng
https://imgur.com/F1s8GTq



Thanos:
https://i.imgur.com/MkcJdfO.jpg

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/infinity-006-033.jpg?w=625

Weakened Thanos:
https://imgur.com/wgb8k6F
https://imgur.com/c511saV
https://imgur.com/Ik2Pu6m
https://imgur.com/wTsKYmf

https://imgur.com/Y0KqwJs
https://imgur.com/xWdTsBO
https://imgur.com/AidOH9p
https://imgur.com/hVf1TBn




Laserbeams

Gladiator:
https://imgur.com/i8c3QqV
https://imgur.com/6sL8zFr



Thanos:
https://imgur.com/lh5PeIt
https://imgur.com/7ilGrwq

https://imgur.com/dwVz3Pj
https://imgur.com/huftMp7





I think that's about it. There's a scene where Glads smashes Ms Marvel and both of them Quasar's constructs (though the Thanos one was a little more reinforced to say the least), as well as a couple Thing, and Avengers scenes. I might have overlooked something besides that, but that should be enough to get a good comparison between the two in common opponents. Gladiator has a better track record against Drax and Binary, but falls behind in every other aspect.


So, what do you think Carver? Do you think these two are comparable in universal standing and common opponents? Do you think these mean anything, etc?

Galan007
You should have posted this in the Respect Thread forum, tbh.


#MissedOpportunity

Baziemarc123
Gladiator looks superior in majority of the comparisons

carver9
Can I oppose your argument.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by carver9
Can I oppose your argument.

please do

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Galan007
You should have posted this in the Respect Thread forum, tbh.


#MissedOpportunity It was originally going to be just on the one topic (Thanos vs Glads), but then I realized how curious I was to see how others would compare and realized I'd like to see what Bluewater and the like can come up with.

I'm also trying to think up some more. Colossus/Drax, Drax/Thing, Cyclops/Havok, etc were among the first to come to me. I'll see what I can come up with.

Originally posted by carver9
Can I oppose your argument. Of course.

Philosophía
Damn, Bran, this is nice and detailed.

carver9
I will be posting scans proving Hulk>Thor (or any other High Herald tbh) and then I will continue my posting showing that a contained Hulk>a contained Thanos. I'm ok with Bran comments on Thanos>Gladiator but I think there is solid evidence proving Hulk is either equal to or greater than Thanos (not even World Breaker or WWH either). This is an interesting thread.

carver9
Also, I know it's hard for a lot of people here to do but please stay civil and let's not ruin this thread with bashing and criticism. Thanks.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by carver9
Also, I know it's hard for a lot of people here to do but please stay civil and let's not ruin this thread with bashing and criticism. Thanks.

I'll give you civil.

WHOEVER, voted for me BETTER reveal themselves or Carver pays the price!

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
I will be posting scans proving Hulk>Thor (or any other High Herald tbh) and then I will continue my posting showing that a contained Hulk>a contained Thanos. I'm ok with Bran comments on Thanos>Gladiator but I think there is solid evidence proving Hulk is either equal to or greater than Thanos (not even World Breaker or WWH either). This is an interesting thread.

In every confrontation that they have been in, Thanos has beaten the Hulk. Marvel went as far as calling the Hulk his basement Dog. He took over his mind and used him to beat up on Thor. He had an underling drop a star on him, he beat him into goo in the Movie theater. I mean come on Carver, the Hulk doesn't have even one victory over Thanos, not even a challenge. This is coming from a Hulk fan. Look deep in the mirror, and ask yourself if you're in denial.

-Pr-
This thread could be hilarious. I want to wait and see, and it seems Carver doesn't have a problem with it, so I'll leave it open for now.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
In every confrontation that they have been in, Thanos has beaten the Hulk. Marvel went as far as calling the Hulk his basement Dog. He took over his mind and used him to beat up on Thor. He had an underling drop a star on him, he beat him into goo in the Movie theater. I mean come on Carver, the Hulk doesn't have even one victory over Thanos, not even a challenge. This is coming from a Hulk fan. Look deep in the mirror, and ask yourself if you're in denial.

Show me Thanos "beating" the Hulk. He did take over a civil minded Hulk. An enraged Hulk is harder to control.

That was an alternate Hulk he controlled and it wasnt him that was controlling Hulk, it was Cosmic Ghost Rider. Did you read the story?

He did have Proxima drop a star on him. Would Thanos have withstood a star on his back? If so, scans please. Proxima have NOTHING to do with Thanos.

You're not a Hulk fan, you're confused. You just said Superman would tape Hulk. I know fans when I see them and you're not it.

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
Show me Thanos "beating" the Hulk. He did take over a civil minded Hulk. An enraged Hulk is harder to control.

That was an alternate Hulk he controlled and it wasnt him that was controlling Hulk, it was Cosmic Ghost Rider. Did you read the story?

He did have Proxima drop a star on him. Would Thanos have withstood a star on his back? If so, scans please. Proxima have NOTHING to do with Thanos.

You're not a Hulk fan, you're confused. You just said Superman would tape Hulk. I know fans when I see them and you're not it.

Wait, you mean that in order to be a fan you need to live in constant denial?

In a comic book, the Hulk could definitely give Superman a big challenge. We've seen less do this in the past, but in a forum match that has Superman fighting without having to worry about innocent bystanders getting in the way, Superman would just fly on in, and smack him so hard that he sends him hurtling towards the sun. You do recall what Grand Master prime did to him right? Superman could do the same, I mean Superman can throw much larger objects than the Hulk into deep space after all. The Hulk can't fly.

In order for the Hulk to stand a chance you literally have to turn BFR off, or take Superman's speed and flight abilities away.

Thanos can fly as well. He has so many gimmicks that it would be like the Hulk was fighting Reed Richards with Hulk or above level strength. You should keep Thanos' name out of your list of Heralds, because he is far above that tier. Thanos has always been the guy that teams with Hulk level characters had to find a way to defeat. Were you surprised when Zeus put the big foot on Hulk? Well Thanos is now playing in or above that clubhouses level.

When the Surfer isn't jobbing, how well does the Hulk usually do against him? Why does the Hulk do so poorly against Surfer? Cosmic powers? Thanos has cosmic powers as well, and he also has mystical abilities, while possessing the ability to mind rape, and augment his already above herald level strength. Hulk may as well be a one trick pony because if you cut him off from the gamma force.... well.

Being a fan doesn't mean that you need to lie to yourself Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
Wait, you mean that in order to be a fan you need to live in constant denial?

In a comic book, the Hulk could definitely give Superman a big challenge. We've seen less do this in the past, but in a forum match that has Superman fighting without having to worry about innocent bystanders getting in the way, Superman would just fly on in, and smack him so hard that he sends him hurtling towards the sun. You do recall what Grand Master prime did to him right? Superman could do the same, I mean Superman can throw much larger objects than the Hulk into deep space after all. The Hulk can't fly.

In order for the Hulk to stand a chance you literally have to turn BFR off, or take Superman's speed and flight abilities away.

Thanos can fly as well. He has so many gimmicks that it would be like the Hulk was fighting Reed Richards with Hulk or above level strength. You should keep Thanos' name out of your list of Heralds, because he is far above that tier. Thanos has always been the guy that teams with Hulk level characters had to find a way to defeat. Were you surprised when Zeus put the big foot on Hulk? Well Thanos is now playing in or above that clubhouses level.

When the Surfer isn't jobbing, how well does the Hulk usually do against him? Why does the Hulk do so poorly against Surfer? Cosmic powers? Thanos has cosmic powers as well, and he also has mystical abilities, while possessing the ability to mind rape, and augment his already above herald level strength. Hulk may as well be a one trick pony because if you cut him off from the gamma force.... well.

Being a fan doesn't mean that you need to lie to yourself Carver.

Can Surfer beat Thanos 10/10 in a forum match? He's far faster than Thanos and he can open Black Holes in the body. Do you give Surfer 10/10 against Thanos via opening black holes in his brains?

carver9
I'll post scans in a few.

LordofBrooklyn
Superman VERSUS The Hulk

Let's take a look at common opponents to gauge who is REALLY the most powerful of the two!

Thor

Superman:

https://jeremiahkleckner.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/superman-vs-thor001-copy-e1432566310114.jpg?w=642&h=300


The Hulk:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101077/1946415-fear6.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-and-angrir-5.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-1.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-2.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-3.jpg

Baziemarc123
looking forward to it

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
Can Surfer beat Thanos 10/10 in a forum match? He's far faster than Thanos and he can open Black Holes in the body. Do you give Surfer 10/10 against Thanos via opening black holes in his brains?


No and that's really not an argument that you should even begin making because for one the Surfer doesn't fight like that, not to mention that this tactic might not work on Thanos. Thanos survived a black hole when he was in a weaker form than he is in currently. Surfer would absolutely lose to Thanos 10/10. Unless you know of one time that the Surfer defeated Thanos on the physical plane? I know of none. Just like every time that Thanos has gone up against the Hulk, the Hulk has lost, or come out with the short end of the stick. These days Thanos can easily keep up with the Surfer, as we saw him easily keep up with Thane with the power of the Phoenix.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
No and that's really not an argument that you should even begin making because for one the Surfer doesn't fight like that, not to mention that this tactic might not work on Thanos. Thanos survived a black hole when he was in a weaker form than he is in currently. Surfer would absolutely lose to Thanos 10/10. Unless you know of one time that the Surfer defeated Thanos on the physical plane? I know of none. Just like every time that Thanos has gone up against the Hulk, the Hulk has lost, or come out with the short end of the stick. These days Thanos can easily keep up with the Surfer, as we saw him easily keep up with Thane with the power of the Phoenix.

Black hole to the brain ain't' doing nothing to Thanos:


https://pm1.narvii.com/6252/098e8e8f576d564e0242e05b21d4830c1927f503_hq.jpg

Stoic
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman VERSUS The Hulk

Let's take a look at common opponents to gauge who is REALLY the most powerful of the two!

Thor

Superman:

https://jeremiahkleckner.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/superman-vs-thor001-copy-e1432566310114.jpg?w=642&h=300


The Hulk:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101077/1946415-fear6.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-and-angrir-5.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-1.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-2.jpg

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thor-vs-nul-3.jpg

Carver, did you notice something important about the scan that LOB posted? No? Well the Hulk got BFR'd again. Which means in a forum setting he lost.

Again.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
Black hole to the brain ain't' doing nothing to Thanos:


https://pm1.narvii.com/6252/098e8e8f576d564e0242e05b21d4830c1927f503_hq.jpg

Shhhh, let's see the scans that Carver has cooking up. But aside from that, good catch.

abhilegend
I'm thinking of posting a comparison between Superman/Thanos and Superman/Silver Surfer.

Should be fun.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by cdtm
Black hole to the brain ain't' doing nothing to Thanos:


https://pm1.narvii.com/6252/098e8e8f576d564e0242e05b21d4830c1927f503_hq.jpg

You know what?.

I always thought it was just artistic rendition, rather than actual durability.

His chair, as you can see behind him, ALSO turns into glass, melts, cracks etc.

And is reformed every time.

abhilegend
That was just reality resetting after each reality warp.

Or the chair is also Thanos level.

Insane Titan

Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You know what?.

I always thought it was just artistic rendition, rather than actual durability.

His chair, as you can see behind him, ALSO turns into glass, melts, cracks etc.

And is reformed every time. thumb up

You see this trope every time somebody travels to realities with different laws of physics.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm thinking of posting a comparison between Superman/Thanos and Superman/Silver Surfer.

Should be fun.

see how bad that turns it out for you lmao

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
No and that's really not an argument that you should even begin making because for one the Surfer doesn't fight like that, not to mention that this tactic might not work on Thanos. Thanos survived a black hole when he was in a weaker form than he is in currently. Surfer would absolutely lose to Thanos 10/10. Unless you know of one time that the Surfer defeated Thanos on the physical plane? I know of none. Just like every time that Thanos has gone up against the Hulk, the Hulk has lost, or come out with the short end of the stick. These days Thanos can easily keep up with the Surfer, as we saw him easily keep up with Thane with the power of the Phoenix.

And this proves you're a hypocrite or the highest order and you say thing when it suits you. Anyone else wouldve caught on to my question. In your previous post you mention Hulk might heat Superman in comics but on KMC (debating powerset), Superman would beat him and become this untouchable, punching across universe being. You then do the opposite for Surfer because your debating style sucks.

Show me Thanos surviving a Black hole inside of his brain. Dont debate powerset and then take it away when it doesnt benefit you.

Baziemarc123
honestly want the scans for Hulk to be posted lol

Rage.Of.Olympus

abhilegend
It was a physically taxing endeavor but Thanos didn't resist reality warping, he got warped and when he exited said reality, he was changed to normal.

carver9
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
honestly want the scans for Hulk to be posted lol

They will. I just forget about KMC sometimes. I'm not as active as I use to be.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a physically taxing endeavor but Thanos didn't resist reality warping, he got warped and when he exited said reality, he was changed to normal.

Sooo it was a physically taxing endeavour that would have killed a lesser being and Thanos specifically resisted being warped because he is singularly unique...but it wasn't a reality resistance feat? That doesn't track.

"Reality...like all outside influences has a minimal effect on my being."

= the definition of reality warping resistance.

I think DS just didn't read the scan carefully, he's a reasonable individual.

This is my last post on this. I'm not ruining brans thread. Make a separate thread if you wish to discuss this further.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sooo it was a physically taxing endeavour that would have killed a lesser being and Thanos specifically resisted being warped because he is singularly unique...but it wasn't a reality resistance feat? That doesn't track.

"Reality...like all outside influences has a minimal effect on my being."

= the definition of reality warping resistance.

I think DS just didn't read the scan carefully, he's a reasonable individual.

This is my last post on this. I'm not ruining brans thread. Make a separate thread if you wish to discuss this further. Text makes it clear do not let the dc biased try to diminish what the words mean. Ds is pretty similar to abhi these days.

One Big Mob
...

This entire page has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to compare Thanos vs Surfer, go ahead (it doesn't favor Surfer more often that not off the top of my head), but this thread is designed to avoid this exact thing. It's not a "make a counter" thread (unless you can actually weave it into a relevant subject), there's hundreds of those on the forum already.

DarkSaint85
thumb up

I've reported everyone already. Sorry Brano.

Baziemarc123
LOL why'd you report me? I was the ONE telling Carv to post the Hulk feats so he get on the relevant subject

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
And this proves you're a hypocrite or the highest order and you say thing when it suits you. Anyone else wouldve caught on to my question. In your previous post you mention Hulk might heat Superman in comics but on KMC (debating powerset), Superman would beat him and become this untouchable, punching across universe being. You then do the opposite for Surfer because your debating style sucks.

Show me Thanos surviving a Black hole inside of his brain. Dont debate powerset and then take it away when it doesnt benefit you.

You're pretty stupid Carver. No wonder everyone rides you so hard. Pretend as if I am speaking to you in childlike English so this way you may be able to understand. If you were Superman, would you let someone that moves much slower than you do ever touch you if you knew that they increased in power as time went on? Or, would you immediately BFR them? Your question became irrelevant the moment that it popped into your mind, because the Hulk has a huge hole in his defenses. He can not fly. Think before you type shit out of anger.

LordofBrooklyn
Superman VERSUS Thor

HULK

Superman:

https://satyagraha.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hulk.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yDYzVe_c_xU/UUJLi7FwoII/AAAAAAAAEF0/M1u63Sla4oA/s1600/Hero-Envy-Hulk-Vs-Superman6.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-srp_EwOAwZA/UUJN6vJtnVI/AAAAAAAAEGk/ZOnu-jPyaRk/s640/Hero-Envy-Hulk-Vs-Superman10.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/48810/1025333-superman_vs_hulk.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ca/c9/64/cac964c6d57df374f928f96e5da22548.jpg

ROUND 2

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fe/04/ec/fe04eca3049f13c672e0bfd55a1da14e.jpg

https://68.media.tumblr.com/3b037b574ad6c6db1a357bca651d49fb/tumblr_onrhtsfXDZ1vo2hyyo1_500.jpg

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111281712/5170042-supermanhulk.jpg


HULK

Thor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/46949/1816139-hulk_thor_2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67330/1353156-thorowned.jpg

psycho gundam
Notice the gulf in competence between when Bran used scans for a case and when LordOfBoise attempted to

Really I blame Carver for this cause a punching bag is only good for inviting punishment

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
You're pretty stupid Carver. No wonder everyone rides you so hard. Pretend as if I am speaking to you in childlike English so this way you may be able to understand. If you were Superman, would you let someone that moves much slower than you do ever touch you if you knew that they increased in power as time went on? Or, would you immediately BFR them? Your question became irrelevant the moment that it popped into your mind, because the Hulk has a huge hole in his defenses. He can not fly. Think before you type shit out of anger.

I think the point of my post went completely over your head. Let me re word it for you so that you'll understand and look at what I'm doing here. If you were Surfer and you were fighting Thanos and you had the ability to open Black Holes in someone's brain, would you do it? I'm sure 3veryone else know what I am doing here. Your comprehension level.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by carver9
I think the point of my post went completely over your head. Let me re word it for you so that you'll understand and look at what I'm doing here. If you were Surfer and you were fighting Thanos and you had the ability to open Black Holes in someone's brain, would you do it? I'm sure 3veryone else know what I am doing here. Your comprehension level. https://i.imgur.com/vxNk3p2.jpg

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Notice the gulf in competence between when Bran used scans for a case and when LordOfBoise attempted to

Really I blame Carver for this cause a punching bag is only good for inviting punishment

SILENCE YOU GAMMITE IMBECILE!!!

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
I think the point of my post went completely over your head. Let me re word it for you so that you'll understand and look at what I'm doing here. If you were Surfer and you were fighting Thanos and you had the ability to open Black Holes in someone's brain, would you do it? I'm sure 3veryone else know what I am doing here. Your comprehension level.

First you'd have to prove that this tactic would work. Didn't I say that already? Also I'd like you to show me when the Surfer opened black holes inside of another characters brain. Now let's go back to the part that you obviously failed to understand. Thanos has defenses, and also happens to be an extremely powerful telepath.

When in the Surfer's entire history has he been up to defeating Thanos?

Your problem is the fact that the Hulk would lose to Thanos, Surfer, Superman, and several other characters while you sit back in denial lying about him being top dog of the herald class. You can't accept it, but guess what? Your denial doesn't change the fact that the Hulk can't stop from being repeatedly BFR'd, he's been drained by the Surfer on several occasions, came out looking pathetic in every reality that he has ever tried to defeat Thanos... and the list goes on.

You claimed that I brought power set up, and refused to acknowledge something that has never happened. You want me to prove that Thanos can resist a black hole to the brain, while you have yet to prove that this tactic would work. Pretty dumb Carver, but then again it's not very surprising coming from you.

I noticed something else as well. Instead of putting on your big boy pants and accepting that most heralds could just repeatedly toss the Hulk out into space for the quick win, you bring up the Surfer in an idiotic attempt to bypass the fact that you really can't deny that most top tiers can exploit the hell out of the land locked Hulk.

To actually believe that you've pulled the wool over anyone's eyes is comic gold. You're just a slime ball. Who do you actually deal with in real life that allows you to get away with this level of bullshit?

Your first claim wasn't about the question that you asked me. You came in here making claims that the Hulk could take on Thanos, and stand at the top of the Herald class. When that failed, you then decide to bring in the Surfer. Listen stop playing yourself, because you'll have to wake up earlier in the morning to play me.

Now let's talk about this shit about you calling me a hypocrite you little slug. Superman has the speed, power, durability, and strength, to punch an object the size of the Hulk into deep space, and still be within the limits of his character. You brought something way out of character for the Surfer to do, and then proceeded to have the balls to name call, after attempting to slide away from your original bullshit claim. So again your question was irrelevant, because the scenario that you brought up has never happened to my knowledge, and if it has, it certainly isn't the Surfer's go to move. You're such an idiot. While on the other hand, Thanos in a weaker form than he is currently in has a history of beating the Surfer up. He even beat him to death.

The Hulk beat Thanos.... Lol.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
First you'd have to prove that this tactic would work. Didn't I say that already? Also I'd like you to show me when the Surfer opened black holes inside of another characters brain. Now let's go back to the part that you obviously failed to understand. Thanos has defenses, and also happens to be an extremely powerful telepath.

When in the Surfer's entire history has he been up to defeating Thanos?

Your problem is the fact that the Hulk would lose to Thanos, Surfer, Superman, and several other characters while you sit back in denial lying about him being top dog of the herald class. You can't accept it, but guess what? Your denial doesn't change the fact that the Hulk can't stop from being repeatedly BFR'd, he's been drained by the Surfer on several occasions, came out looking pathetic in every reality that he has ever tried to defeat Thanos... and the list goes on.

You claimed that I brought power set up, and refused to acknowledge something that has never happened. You want me to prove that Thanos can resist a black hole to the brain, while you have yet to prove that this tactic would work. Pretty dumb Carver, but then again it's not very surprising coming from you.

I noticed something else as well. Instead of putting on your big boy pants and accepting that most heralds could just repeatedly toss the Hulk out into space for the quick win, you bring up the Surfer in an idiotic attempt to bypass the fact that you really can't deny that most top tiers can exploit the hell out of the land locked Hulk.

To actually believe that you've pulled the wool over anyone's eyes is comic gold. You're just a slime ball. Who do you actually deal with in real life that allows you to get away with this level of bullshit?

Your first claim wasn't about the question that you asked me. You came in here making claims that the Hulk could take on Thanos, and stand at the top of the Herald class. When that failed, you then decide to bring in the Surfer. Listen stop playing yourself, because you'll have to wake up earlier in the morning to play me.

Now let's talk about this shit about you calling me a hypocrite you little slug. Superman has the speed, power, durability, and strength, to punch an object the size of the Hulk into deep space, and still be within the limits of his character. You brought something way out of character for the Surfer to do, and then proceeded to have the balls to name call, after attempting to slide away from your original bullshit claim. So again your question was irrelevant, because the scenario that you brought up has never happened to my knowledge, and if it has, it certainly isn't the Surfer's go to move. You're such an idiot. While on the other hand, Thanos in a weaker form than he is currently in has a history of beating the Surfer up. He even beat him to death.

The Hulk beat Thanos.... Lol.

This is the worst style of debating ever. No one on this website would give Superman the majority over HP Doomsday due to this illogical reason and it isnt happening here. I asked you the Surfer question because it makes your argument look dumb because you know Surfer will not fight like this and you know Thanos could pull a majority. Now if we create the same type of scenario you've created, then Surfer stomps and this is using your non logical way of debating. Then, you dont even get it. YOU SAID THAT IN A COMIC HULK COULD BEAT SUPERMAN BUT ON THE FORUM HE CANT but then you mention Thanos IN A COMIC beating Surfer. Your comprehension is child like.

You are a hypocrite.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
SILENCE YOU GAMMITE IMBECILE!!! https://i.imgur.com/TNBp2Mz.jpg

Stoic
Originally posted by carver9
This is the worst style of debating ever. No one on this website would give Superman the majority over HP Doomsday due to this illogical reason and it isnt happening here. I asked you the Surfer question because it makes your argument look dumb because you know Surfer will not fight like this and you know Thanos could pull a majority. Now if we create the same type of scenario you've created, then Surfer stomps and this is using your non logical way of debating. Then, you dont even get it. YOU SAID THAT IN A COMIC HULK COULD BEAT SUPERMAN BUT ON THE FORUM HE CANT but then you mention Thanos IN A COMIC beating Surfer. Your comprehension is child like.

You are a hypocrite.

You'd better go back and re-read what I wrote concerning the Hulk vs Superman. Even in a comic book with PIS it would be Superman's fight to lose. Superman is already up there in strength. Then there's his speed, freeze breath, and the rest of the powers that he is free to use to make things even more one sided.

The fact that you once said that Superman was the only top tier that you worried about in concerns to the Hulk shows how ignorant you are. The Surfer makes a fool of the Hulk 9 out of 10 times if he isn't jobbing whenever they have a confrontation. Look what Thor did to an amped version of the Hulk. Yep you guessed it BFR.... Again.

Yeah but you had best go back and re-read what I wrote, because I did not say anything about the Hulk beating Superman in my post. Once you do, and are able to put on your big boy pants an apology would be accepted, although I highly doubt that you're big enough to do so.

Superman should absolutely never lose to the Hulk without PIS. Ever.

Don't pretend as if your question was some sort of puzzle Carver. I understood it beyond the surface bullshit that you'd like people to believe. This isn't a debate crackhead, it's your attempt at back pedaling. Your first statement was that the Hulk was greater than all of the Heralds of the highest echelon, and then you proceeded to attempt to drag Thanos down to his level. Marvel has made it clear where they prefer to keep the Hulk. They even performed brain surgery on him so that he'd forget how to raise his might on a whim. Perhaps you should make an appointment yourself.

I told you what you did, and you still want to pretend that this was the basis of your argument. The Surfer has never defeated Thanos, and now that he has grown in power his chances of winning are even slimmer than they were when Thanos beat him to death.

Thanos is a telepath, he also has shields, and force cube tech. The tactic that you're attempting to pathetically validate is not the Surfer's go to move (do I have to repeat this until it sink into that skull crust?). Why are you stuck on stupid Carver? At this point, I can't wait until the other posters dig into your ass, I'll be silently cheering them on because you're the absolute most dishonest poster on this board.

WTF does HP Doomsday have to do with anything now? You have more Strawmen than a phucking farmer.


The scenario that I created? Surfer is Marvel's version of J'onn Jonnz as far a personality or character type goes. Thanos is a flipping murderer. Who do you think would shoot the silver bullet first? Are you going to pretend that the Surfer is faster than Thanos now? Thanos would and can keep pace with the Surfer. Did you see his fight against Thane? If so stop acting as if the Surfer has some sort of advantage here. Thanos has cosmic powers, telepathy, mysticism, and a bunch of powers that the Surfer does not have. He's actually one of the few characters that has the ability to outdo the Surfer in terms of versatility, and you're still talking about black holes to the brain.

Stop the bullshit you've already been caught. You're entire stance is due to the Hulk being a one trick pony when compared to other top tiers. If he ever fought Thanos, Thanos would have dozens of ways of beating him. But continue the charade pretending that you wanted to make some idiotic example of how your version of the Surfer would beat a guy that literally beat him to death, and clowned him in nearly every other conflict that they had.

You'd think that since you've failed to trick 14 yr old posters that you'd think things through, but no... you keep on going!!!

I think I'll begin quoting you every time I see you step on your dick and kick yourself in the nuts.

panthergod
Stoic, you're argument is disingenuous.

Surfer matches well against classic Hulk due to versatility.

Hulk fights Thor as a peer classically and more recently dominates him.

Thor has usually dominated Surfer mroe often than not.

Hulk has directly demonstrated superior raw innate power potential than Surfer, and that isn't up for dispute.

Starlin himself has Thanos avoid confrontation with the Hulk.

Using his relative showings-- which are wildly VARIABLE based on his powerset -- it is absolutely logical to argue that Hulk can and has reached a level superior to Thanos in terms of raw power.

carver9
Originally posted by Stoic
You'd better go back and re-read what I wrote concerning the Hulk vs Superman. Even in a comic book with PIS it would be Superman's fight to lose. Superman is already up there in strength. Then there's his speed, freeze breath, and the rest of the powers that he is free to use to make things even more one sided.

The fact that you once said that Superman was the only top tier that you worried about in concerns to the Hulk shows how ignorant you are. The Surfer makes a fool of the Hulk 9 out of 10 times if he isn't jobbing whenever they have a confrontation. Look what Thor did to an amped version of the Hulk. Yep you guessed it BFR.... Again.

Yeah but you had best go back and re-read what I wrote, because I did not say anything about the Hulk beating Superman in my post. Once you do, and are able to put on your big boy pants an apology would be accepted, although I highly doubt that you're big enough to do so.

Superman should absolutely never lose to the Hulk without PIS. Ever.

Don't pretend as if your question was some sort of puzzle Carver. I understood it beyond the surface bullshit that you'd like people to believe. This isn't a debate crackhead, it's your attempt at back pedaling. Your first statement was that the Hulk was greater than all of the Heralds of the highest echelon, and then you proceeded to attempt to drag Thanos down to his level. Marvel has made it clear where they prefer to keep the Hulk. They even performed brain surgery on him so that he'd forget how to raise his might on a whim. Perhaps you should make an appointment yourself.

I told you what you did, and you still want to pretend that this was the basis of your argument. The Surfer has never defeated Thanos, and now that he has grown in power his chances of winning are even slimmer than they were when Thanos beat him to death.

Thanos is a telepath, he also has shields, and force cube tech. The tactic that you're attempting to pathetically validate is not the Surfer's go to move (do I have to repeat this until it sink into that skull crust?). Why are you stuck on stupid Carver? At this point, I can't wait until the other posters dig into your ass, I'll be silently cheering them on because you're the absolute most dishonest poster on this board.

WTF does HP Doomsday have to do with anything now? You have more Strawmen than a phucking farmer.


The scenario that I created? Surfer is Marvel's version of J'onn Jonnz as far a personality or character type goes. Thanos is a flipping murderer. Who do you think would shoot the silver bullet first? Are you going to pretend that the Surfer is faster than Thanos now? Thanos would and can keep pace with the Surfer. Did you see his fight against Thane? If so stop acting as if the Surfer has some sort of advantage here. Thanos has cosmic powers, telepathy, mysticism, and a bunch of powers that the Surfer does not have. He's actually one of the few characters that has the ability to outdo the Surfer in terms of versatility, and you're still talking about black holes to the brain.

Stop the bullshit you've already been caught. You're entire stance is due to the Hulk being a one trick pony when compared to other top tiers. If he ever fought Thanos, Thanos would have dozens of ways of beating him. But continue the charade pretending that you wanted to make some idiotic example of how your version of the Surfer would beat a guy that literally beat him to death, and clowned him in nearly every other conflict that they had.

You'd think that since you've failed to trick 14 yr old posters that you'd think things through, but no... you keep on going!!!

I think I'll begin quoting you every time I see you step on your dick and kick yourself in the nuts.

Sigh... I give up. I thought you were playing when I read your post and thought you didnt get it but you truly dont get it. I'm going to let you continue to think that Hulk would lose to anyone via speed and punch into space when they rarely if ever do this in comic while having Thanos win against Surfer because he has beat him up in a comic. Ya know, picking and choosing a style of debate to prove your point. Hyperion, Sentry and even Jack of Hearts has flown FTL...

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/5821751-2317598650-Savag.jpg

And Hulk has done well against them. Hell, Jack of Hearts has even flown alongside Surfer and he still admits he has never encounter anything as fast as Hulk. I'm done talking to you about this because you're argument is unbalanced.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by carver9
I will be posting scans proving Hulk>Thor (or any other High Herald tbh) and then I will continue my posting showing that a contained Hulk>a contained Thanos. I'm ok with Bran comments on Thanos>Gladiator but I think there is solid evidence proving Hulk is either equal to or greater than Thanos (not even World Breaker or WWH either). This is an interesting thread.

scans will be greatly appreciated

carver9
Let's start off with Thanos vs Hulk and why I think Hulk would crush Thanos wind pipe...

Thanos vs CM...

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111184849/5172627-ec6338a49c4ad106825464953d65c06e.jpg
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111184849/5172629-1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpg

As shown, CM was giving Thanos fits an entire page. Thanos finally ended it by punting him across space. Now let's see what happens when he face Hulk. Hulk tanks his punch and then knocks him out with a slap and the other scan shows Hulk knocking him out just by clamping his hands together...



Captain Marvel
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell), from Captain Marvel #21:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel01CaptainMarvel21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel05.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) rematch, from Incredible Hulk #245-46:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel06245.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel07246.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsCaptainMarvel10.jpg

Bran posted scans of Hulk fighting Gladiator not mentioning Hulk was dying during the time and his durability and healing factor was crap during the time and Hulk manage to still beat him. Now let's see what a fresh Hulk would look like against Gladiator...

http://i.imgur.com/VGIpifjm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/32MIreCm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ahFIJmvm.jpg

This isn't even Hulk at his prime. Let's move on.

Thanos hits AnniHulk with a FULL POWERED blast and it did nothing. He even admits this (while scratching a whole in him)...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057948-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-075.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057950-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-076.jpg

He then release his full might on Annihulk and no damage done...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057952-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-079.jpg

It took him powering up and a prolong beating for him to finally damage him.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057954-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-081.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057955-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-082.jpg

Hulk did it in two punches...

Second punch...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734466/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-012.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734467/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-013.jpg.html

Not done.

One Big Mob
Dawg...

But I appreciate you getting back into the spirit of the thread so I won't say anything. thumb up

I need to fire up my comp and try finish my Havok/Cyke one without reading entire arcs.

LordofBrooklyn
STOP STEALING MY STYLE, GAMMITE!!!

carver9
Then we have Cap thinking that Hulk could take on Thanos and the crew on his own. He sends him there to fight them and Thanos didnt even engage, they had to use plot to take the Hulk out...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38787811/fdn8p6m_d.jpg.html

Let's not even discuss Thanos and the Avengers. This is who they sent to fight Thanos...

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-009.jpg

And he lost. This is who the same leader sent to fight the Hulk (who wasnt even transformed.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/u5c9z20bmb9nglspnawu.png

They sent everybody. The point I am trying to make here is, Hulk is more or a threat. Let's continue.

Bran then posted a scan of Thanos eye blasting Hulk. That was cute and all but Hulk was literally up in the next panel.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6195462-hulk+2.jpg

The blast did nothing. If getting the first hit off of Hulk is what we are looking for then Spiderman pulls a majority. Annihilus needed a power up because he wanted to achieve domination so he snatched up the Hulk. With that portion of power he took from Hulk, it made him Thanos equal...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111229114/5057953-thanos+-+the+infinity+relativity-080.jpg

Yes, Hulk power made Annihilus Thanos equal. This could be debated on due to the cosmic rod but there is no debate on Hulk power amping him to Thanos levels.

Bran is going to think that I am lowballing with these scans but i am not trying too. Thanos vs the Avengers. A lot of these people wouldnt be relevant to the Hulk as shown per previous fights and per the fight that i am about to post. He takes a beating ending with Captain Marvel dropping him.

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-014.jpg

The only person that truly hits him is Warmachine, Photon and Captain Marvel...

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-009.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-010.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-011.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-012.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-013.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-014.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/civil-war-ii-fcbd-2016-greenmangroup-dcp-015.jpg

Two of those people are fodder to Hulk. He literally laughs at their attacks (and there were a gang of war machines...

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429682_Avengers_2012-_039-013.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429683_Avengers_2012-_039-014.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429684_Avengers_2012-_039-015.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429685_Avengers_2012-_039-017.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429686_Avengers_2012-_039-018.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/21429687_Avengers_2012-_039-019.jpg

You could've thrown in a couple of high Heralds and the results wouldve been the same...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38087716/Avengers_2016-_686-012.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38087718/Avengers_2016-_686-013.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38087720/Avengers_2016-_686-015.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38087721/Avengers_2016-_686-016.jpg.html

Team environments and some single fights, Hulk is just more formidable. I'll post more examples tomorrow. It's late here.

One Big Mob
laughing out loud

Good stuff Carv. thumb up

Insane Titan

abhilegend
This is as good place as any so what the heck. Darkseid-Highfather/Odin comparison.

First lets see their raw power. Odin destroys planets against Infinity (Which was later retconned as being amped by abstract Infinity).

http://i.imgur.com/Kvbzazb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a3iJIIx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2EDgbgm.jpg

Only planets being destroyed is confirmed in Marvel Index.

https://s6.postimg.cc/r02w3u641/aven64.jpg

Darkseid and Highfather destroy the source wall which encircles the whole universe and is nigh impenetrable.

https://s6.postimg.cc/dxj7kaoa9/New_Gods10-20.jpg

Odin once again shows galactic level power against Foresung.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200398/4697071-6306165603-Odinv.jpg

Darkseid and Highfather each provide 1/5th power to destroy an entire universe.

http://imgur.com/a/YWQtD

Odin shows galactic power against Seth and banishes him to his realm as he couldn't kill him.

https://s15.postimg.cc/py1vikybv/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-016.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/405eosjbf/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-017.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/5ggx6xm8b/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-018.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/lfzkqhia3/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-019.jpg

Scott Free with a portion of Highfather's alpha powers banishes Black Racer (an abstract version of Death) to his realm. He tries to attack Highfather in the very next page who casually blocks his attacks.

https://s6.postimg.cc/iyqllnvqp/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/up4j31oj5/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/z8grok6ep/image.jpg

Odin died powering a planet for a few weeks.

https://s6.postimg.cc/pt5hp3drl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/puffiifld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7b154uvzl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1f2m8os1/image.jpg

While Darkseid just reanimating a statue for a second spends more power than Apokolips spends in an entire year.

https://s6.postimg.cc/5upmmpt2p/Darkseid-19.jpg

abhilegend
Odin vs Thor

Thor vs Sigriend with the entire power of Odin from Thor 127. Thor's power was halved in the previous issue and he was easily beaten by Hercules.

https://s6.postimg.cc/k53sbxysx/image.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/s6s0tuhkh/12_2.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/w4faj94dt/13_2.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/4iciykl0x/14_2.jpg

Thor was beaten but he was weakened.

Thor vs Odin (possessed by Infinity which amped him). Odin is bloodlusted.

https://s6.postimg.cc/5gxhelnqp/Thorvs_Odin1.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/atmbsqbn5/Thorvs_Odin2.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8qbwl2bu9/Thorvs_Odin3.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gx3wcn1wx/Thorvs_Odin4.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/x9dy2dg8h/Thorvs_Odin5.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/i1xyi0odt/Thorvs_Odin6.jpg

Thor is unharmed and escapes.

Thor vs Odin again when Odin is brainwashed by egyptian gods from Thor 241. Thor withstands Odin trying to kill him after he chose not to fight back.

https://s6.postimg.cc/9mcze9awh/Withstands_Odin_Atum1.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/n4jvqjn1t/Withstands_Odin_Atum2.jpg

Thor and Warriors three vs living embodiment of Odinpower from Thor 263. It looked beyond Thor but no more than teambuster.

https://s6.postimg.cc/sy7pwc2up/image.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/r54t80ho1/image.jpg

Thor vs Odin again from Thor 291-292. Odin koes Thor with a bit of struggle. Thor overpowers him in raw strength test though.


https://s6.postimg.cc/oanvpcbch/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ym08i031t/image.jpg
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Thor vs Snow Giant (Who Odin could not beat even after weeks of struggle until he took him to a place of no snow) from Thor 308. He is hilariously beaten by a gas mainline.


https://s6.postimg.cc/o4erzzrld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/60761m4j5/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8wysfmzqp/image.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/sz8gy9pwx/image.jpg

Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with the power of Odin. It is mistakenly stated that Heimdall only had a portion of Odin's power. In fact Odin gave him all his power in Thor 426. This is the best showing Odin power has against Thor level beings.

https://s6.postimg.cc/tii5la6pd/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/o4nyrh6cx/image.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/v6hazxkkx/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/55tt72bg1/image.jpg


Masterson Thor vs Annihilus with a portion of Odin's power. Pretty evenly matched.

https://s6.postimg.cc/cocyfp2sx/16_2.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/io0pjcnld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/vyokcve5t/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/kv4y79svl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/9o0pcwgvl/image.jpg

Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with a portion of Odinpower as Odin had awakened. They look evenly matched again.

https://s6.postimg.cc/rpofog0a9/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/lskk7mj5d/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/3zyzzr1wx/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8jb8l9jsh/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/i7oooeelt/image.jpg

Masterson Thor vs Loki in Odin's body. Masterson's strength is stolen by Karnilla a few issues ago and he comments that he still does not has super strength. This is easily comparable to Darkseid's showing in Apokolips now. Loki pounds away on a weakened Masterson Thor for five pages straight but can't ko him. Masterson stuns Loki with one hammer shot and swells Odin's remaining eye shut. In fairness Loki says he does not has Odin's full power.

https://s6.postimg.cc/igqus2gs1/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/53nppgbxt/image.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/vm6cy6anl/image.jpg

Thor vs Odin in destroyer armor and Odinsword from Thor: Man of War. Thor gets humbled again but after a fair bit of fight.

https://s6.postimg.cc/lfxrf6q9d/3321962-0_19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/92kx8a0kx/3321963-0_20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/x7lmpzkvl/3321964-0_21.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/ifgwyney9/3321967-0_24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/wm1pqzw4x/3321968-0_25.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gcbjo3lgx/3321969-0_26.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/4ohhtjwc1/3321970-0_27.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/6ubso1zsh/3321971-0_28.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/q0ozr8ga9/3321972-0_29.jpg

A young Thor vs Odin (In guise of Orlog) from Breaking into Comics Marvel Way 2. Thor defeats Odin.

https://s6.postimg.cc/clkckr1bl/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_012.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/rnwkvflv5/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_014.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/mt2vx5njl/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_015.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8y4leot4h/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_016.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/iu5oebywh/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_018.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/x4f8ptf8x/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_019.jpg


Thor vs Odin again from fear itself.

https://s6.postimg.cc/e95pu6b1t/p1_29_copy.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7jz6e5ppt/p1_30.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/6vqbv7r01/p1_31.jpg

The now infamous Jane Thor vs Odin from Mighty Thor 5.

https://s6.postimg.cc/unv1t03n5/35_02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ahrju47zl/35_03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/kgciglhf5/35_04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/id238xhm9/35_10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/usyt2oay9/35_11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ifqk9ianl/35_12.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/qz9y79j01/35_15.jpg


Thor and Odin vs Surtur. Surtur is beaten.

https://s6.postimg.cc/p46x172i9/The_Rage_of_Thor_002.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/b9414zipd/The_Rage_of_Thor_003.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/dpafwkq5t/The_Rage_of_Thor_004.jpg

Odin and Balder along with Warriors Three. Odin and the rest are beaten.


https://s6.postimg.cc/yolyac2gh/The_Rage_of_Thor_014.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/49z5x3xip/The_Rage_of_Thor_015.jpg

Thor vs Surtur. Surtur is beaten.

https://s6.postimg.cc/ksdpyg67l/The_Rage_of_Thor_021.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/mb943fcs1/The_Rage_of_Thor_022.jpg

Oh and Odin along with a bunch of Asgardians including Thor, Vidar etc vs a random red dragon. Odin stuns himself punching the dragon and steamrolled along with the other asgardians. The dragon is hilariously beaten by colliding with a mountain.

https://s6.postimg.cc/4zdcvq8oh/Thor_-_Heaven_and_Earth_004-009.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/b44v920s1/Thor_-_Heaven_and_Earth_004-010.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.cc/6ftgrm0z5/Thor_-_Heaven_and_Earth_004-019.jpg

abhilegend
Darkseid vs Orion/Kalibak. Courtesy of Mungi

Darkseid vs Orion from Adventure Comics 459. Darkseid defeats Orion with a single energy blast.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/adv459_46_ng.jpg

Darkseid vs clone of Orion from Legion 294. Darkseid literally disintegrates him after a bit of struggle.


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Jack Kirby's Fourth World 6. Orion is merged with Desaad and is more powerful than normal. Darkseid easily manhandles him and was about to kill him when Highfather intervened. This Darkseid was revealed to be an avatar while real Darkseid was entombed in the Source wall.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-06-15.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-06-16.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 2. This happens inside the source and Darkseid allows Orion to kill him to taint the source.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-22.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-23.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-04.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-05.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-06.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-07.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-08.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-09.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-10.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-11.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-12.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-13.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-14.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-15.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-16.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-17.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-18.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-19.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-20.jpg
20. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-21.jpg
21. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-22.jpg
22. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-23.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 6 & 8. Darkseid kills Orion while being dead by creating his own body out of Orion. Later he brings Orion back to life and easily defeats him while Orion is in berserker fury.

https://s6.postimg.cc/4bzaeustt/New_Gods06-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/aqybbizjl/New_Gods06-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/po6scjcs1/New_Gods08-21.jpg

Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power almost kills orion.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-07.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-09.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-10.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-11.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-14.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-18.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-19.jpg

Same Kalibak vs a weakened Darkseid.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-16.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-17.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-18.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Orion 5. It is a staged fight from Darkseid.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p02and03.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p04.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p05.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p06and07.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p08.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p13.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p14.jpg
12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p21.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p22.jpg

He actually admits later he could have easily killed Orion, but pretended to even die to further stain his soul so that Darksied and him could rule the universe.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion13kebbin15-1.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-21.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-22.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion15kebbin08.jpg

Orion vs Darkseid from The Legion 29. Darkseid manhandles Orion with one hand.

7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-19.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-20.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-21.jpg

Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power beats down Orion casually. He overpowered Orion with one hand even.

https://s6.postimg.cc/gvptourn5/Racer_X-_Firestorm35-p02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/70yoimnox/Racer_X-_Firestorm35-p06.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/hcb1bafe9/The_Nuclear_Man_V2_34_pg_21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/rwkytvjw1/The_Nuclear_Man_V2_34_pg_22.jpg


Darkseid vs Orion and Mr. Miracle from Firestorm 35. Darkseid koes both with literally a wave of his hand.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p20.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p21.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Countdown 2. Orion finally fulfills the prophecy but there is context as well. Darkseid has just faced Superman and Jimmy Olsen with the power of all new gods. Orion is also sent by the Source to kill Darkseid.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p09.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p10.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p13.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p14.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p15.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p16.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p17.jpg
10. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p18.jpg
11. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p19.jpg
12. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p20.jpg
13. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p21.jpg

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Now to his other son Kalibak who by Orion's own admission as strong as he is.

https://s6.postimg.cc/epviuco6p/Fourth_World_09_014.jpg

Darkseid incinerates Kalibak with just a touch.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/new_gods2_012_23_rougher.jpg

Kills Kalibak again with just one attack.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie21.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie38.jpg

Darkseid manhandles Kalibak.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanAliensII4of4-06.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanAliensII4of4-07.jpg

Or simply backhands him away.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg12.jpg

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Darkseid vs Superman

Weakened Darkseid vs Superboy and Supergirl (amped by Highfather). Darkseid banishes superboy and beats Supergirl until she is saved by Legion.

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-29.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-35.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-36.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-37.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-38.jpg
6. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-39.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Action Comics 638. Darkseid defeats him with a single blast.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/action638-2122horus.jpg

Darkseid swats Superman away when he tried to rush him. Cosmic Odyssey 2.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg

Darkseid vs Infinity Man (Shown to be more powerful than Superman in the same issue) and Superman. Adventures of Superman 495.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p16.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p17.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p19.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from New Gods 10. Darkseid brings Superman to his knees even though he is not trying to kill him.


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv310-05.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv310-06.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Man of Steel 116. Darkseid physically subdues Superman in 3 punches.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofSteel11.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-1.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-2.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-3.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-4.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-5.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Adventure of Superman 595. This is Imperiex probe shredding version of Superman and Darkseid is weakened due to expanding Omega Beams on Imperiex. Darkseid still stalemates Superman.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg10.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg11.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg14.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg15.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg16.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg17.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg18.jpg

Weakened Darkseid vs a young Superman and Legion from The Legion 29. Darkseid shuts them down with a wave of his hand. His younger self releases them. The older Darkseid is killed by Orion while the younger Darkseid manhandles Orion.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-10.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-11.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-15.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-16.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-17.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-18.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-19.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-20.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-21.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Apokolips Now 1. This is not a straight up victory for Superman as Darkseid is hit by his own omega beams and loses due to Superman beating his eyes shut. Easily comparable to a weakened Masterson Thor swelling Odin's eye shut with just one hammer shot.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage22.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage25.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage26.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage30.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage31.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage32.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman Confidential 8. Darkseid literally slaps away a charging Superman.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_18.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_19.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_20.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Confidential 10. Superman is bloodied and battered and needed Infinity Man to stop Darkseid from killing him.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_16.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 13. Darkseid stuns Superman with one backhand and is defeated after he is hit by his own omega beams and Superman takes him to the sun to gain an amp.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13k.jpg


Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 42. Superman suckershots Darkseid and punches him a few times. Darkseid teleports away.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42b.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Countdown 3. This is the best showing Superman has against Darkseid in straight up fight.


1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p04.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p05-06.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p07.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p08.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p09.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p10.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p11.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p13.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p14.jpg
10. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p15.jpg

Darkseid gets bored and activates Jimmy Olsen's power to incapacitate Superman.

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Odin brings Thor and Valkyrie to life. He struggles to do so and is nearly drained after doing so.

https://s6.postimg.cc/djr2c6iy9/Thor_V1_300-010.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/52rk19e9d/Thor_V1_300-011.jpg


Darkseid brings Orion back to life easily.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-08.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-10.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-11.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-12.jpg

Darkseid actually revives Secret (a ghost) stripping her of all power. Odin has never done so in my recall.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-18.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-19.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-20.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-21.jpg
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Odin brings an entire town back to normal after the people were turned to stone.

http://i.imgur.com/BzTF9H2.jpg

Highfather returns an entire town back to normal after the people were turned into animals and the town was destroyed.

https://s6.postimg.cc/maoweynht/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/e3wwndxf5/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1ah8hze9/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.22.jpg

Odin returns all the worlds which were ravaged by Infinity back as they were.

https://s6.postimg.cc/y6b6jrcz5/image.jpg

Highfather restores all the worlds after they were destroyed by Si'vaa even after he was absorbed by The Source.

https://s6.postimg.cc/m1vx2s035/New_Gods11-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/3nldysnsh/New_Gods11-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/fyeciv9td/New_Gods11-21.jpg


But here the new gods have an edge. Even a normal new god can create entire universes.

http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/newgod.jpg.html

Darkseid himself has created entire realities to trap Mr Miracle.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_12.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_13.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_14.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_15.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_16.jpg

Odin as no universe or reality creating feat that I know of. He severed the tenth realm from Yggdrasil though (Which was later revealed as just sealed away)

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5495249-9000015513-Origi.jpg

Darkseid hid Apokolips from anti matter wave in COIE.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3O0I17oh8ag/VKTlw4U9C8I/AAAAAAAHGpc/TkU9Y98kZo4/s1600/p10_12%2Bcopy.jpg

Odin teleports the entire population of Earth to a different dimension and keeps them in stasis and stops time on Earth.

https://i.imgur.com/fE7oVUL.jpg

A weakened Darkseid, teleports Daxam and Apokolips together across dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/Su2NsIX.jpg

Darkseid pulls his younger self from past and the entire creation collapses.

http://imgur.com/a/4az6k

Odin sends Gladiator to future where he came from.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iHzoVyNpk5Q/VntVbzdRn4I/AAAAAAAAh_M/COlw0QrPsfc/s1600-Ic42/RCO034.jpg

Darkseid sends Slobo to 853rd century.

http://imgur.com/a/nrxpU

Here again Darkseid has an edge as omega sanction nearly destroyed entire DC timeline when Batman reappeared in current time after he was sent back in time by Darkseid.

http://i.imgur.com/ynlHj05.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EnrLtMr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/swivwmK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YlDp9Va.jpg

Just his death destroyed Milestone universe and ripped apart space time.

http://i.imgur.com/yI166uU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GMn05jA.jpg

All in All, Darkseid shows a very decent edge against Odin. This is just post crisis Darkseid mind you.

panthergod
Casey specifically stated Darkseid is 100% in Adventures 595:

https://imgur.com/a/ouhzQq1

Apokolps Now is absolutely a straight up victory for Superman, as per Casey he can withstand the 100% Omega Beams expressed as raw destructive power. Remember, his portrayal of All Out Superman is Imperiex level. And, unlike, OWAW, Superman deflects the OE with HV. Superman is Skyfather class under those portrayals. they in no way demean Darkseid's record or established power-level, as they display how much more powerful he was there than during the Byrne levels or Post Kryptonite X levels in Hunter/Prey.

Baziemarc123
LMAO prove Darkseid have better destructive feats than Odin.,

abhilegend
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is as good place as any so what the heck. Darkseid-Highfather/Odin comparison.

First lets see their raw power. Odin destroys planets against Infinity (Which was later retconned as being amped by abstract Infinity).

http://i.imgur.com/Kvbzazb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a3iJIIx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2EDgbgm.jpg

Only planets being destroyed is confirmed in Marvel Index.

https://s6.postimg.cc/r02w3u641/aven64.jpg

Darkseid and Highfather destroy the source wall which encircles the whole universe and is nigh impenetrable.

https://s6.postimg.cc/dxj7kaoa9/New_Gods10-20.jpg

Odin once again shows galactic level power against Foresung.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200398/4697071-6306165603-Odinv.jpg

Darkseid and Highfather each provide 1/5th power to destroy an entire universe.

http://imgur.com/a/YWQtD

Odin shows galactic power against Seth and banishes him to his realm as he couldn't kill him.

https://s15.postimg.cc/py1vikybv/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-016.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/405eosjbf/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-017.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/5ggx6xm8b/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-018.jpg
https://s15.postimg.cc/lfzkqhia3/Journey_Into_Mystery_513-019.jpg

Scott Free with a portion of Highfather's alpha powers banishes Black Racer (an abstract version of Death) to his realm. He tries to attack Highfather in the very next page who casually blocks his attacks.

https://s6.postimg.cc/iyqllnvqp/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/up4j31oj5/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/z8grok6ep/image.jpg

Odin died powering a planet for a few weeks.

https://s6.postimg.cc/pt5hp3drl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/puffiifld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7b154uvzl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1f2m8os1/image.jpg

While Darkseid just reanimating a statue for a second spends more power than Apokolips spends in an entire year.

https://s6.postimg.cc/5upmmpt2p/Darkseid-19.jpg
There you go.

carver9
Great scans ABHI. At Insane... I know Thanos wasn't at his Prime during some of those scans but Hulk was at his weakest as well which is the reason I posted scans within the same era. Both have become significantly more powerful.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
There you go.

...none of those are impressive. lmao Black racer has zero destructive feats that's remotely abstract, let alone planetary

Baziemarc123
ah of course Hulkster already debunked that outdated trash of a comparison lmao

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635342&pagenumber=1

Insane Titan
Originally posted by carver9
Great scans ABHI. At Insane... I know Thanos wasn't at his Prime during some of those scans but Hulk was at his weakest as well which is the reason I posted scans within the same era. Both have become significantly more powerful. Thanos got a huge upgrade from death far beyond anything Hulk power has increased by. The weaker Thanos was able to put Thing and Thor down together whilst Hulk of that era was only on the lvl of Thing/Thor of that era.

You failed to acknowledge the fact AnniHulk far more powerful when Thanos faced him than when Hulk faced him

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
ah of course Hulkster already debunked that outdated trash of a comparison lmao

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635342&pagenumber=1

I debunked his debunk.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
I debunked his debunk.

LOl you didn't debunk anything, you never do. show Darkseid or Highfather beating solar system-multi galaxy level beings. I'll wait

Post crisis avatars of darkseid struggle with superman level beings all the time

carver9
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos got a huge upgrade from death far beyond anything Hulk power has increased by. The weaker Thanos was able to put Thing and Thor down together whilst Hulk of that era was only on the lvl of Thing/Thor of that era.

You failed to acknowledge the fact AnniHulk far more powerful when Thanos faced him than when Hulk faced him

Far beyond? I doubt that. People that gave Hulk fits in the past are nuisance now. Thing was never on Hulk level and when did Thanos take down Thing. Thanos himself (whom intellect is one of Marvels best) mentioned Champion with the Gem being on Hulks level and he shielded from him the entire match. So I doubt Hulk was thing level and Thanos thought of Hulk as so much more. Annihihulk did as well which is the reason he jacked his power.

Anni adapted more to his powers, he didnt become more powerful. There's a difference. It doesnt even matter anyways since Anni had Hulk powers and having Hulk powers mean you can become more powerful. That was the reason he jacked him anyways. He knew having Hulks abilities wouldnt make his power static.

At the end of the day, both Thanos and Hulk are FAR above where they use to be and Hulk has been shown to be more or a threat on a couple of occasions. Especially recently.

Baziemarc123
hmm, those scans are pretty good carv. any more of them herald level feats for Hulk?

quanchi112
Thanos has always been a greater threat than the Hulk. The recent film definitely rams that down the general audiences throats. Thanos is the guy teams like the avengers were formed to team up against.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has always been a greater threat than the Hulk. The recent film definitely rams that down the general audiences throats. Thanos is the guy teams like the avengers were formed to team up against.

I thought the Avengers were created to fight the Hulk during the beginning?

One Big Mob
Excellent comparisons Abhi. I was a little hesitant when you chose to do it but I think it turned out well.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
I thought the Avengers were created to fight the Hulk during the beginning? What on earth are you talking about?

Thanos destroyed your Hulk hand to hand. Quickly and decisively despite Hulk beginning the encounter with a cheapshot. Just accept a Thanos is his superior. Quit denying reality for your bias. Thanos is the big bad Hulk is just a cog on the wheel of heroes assembled to challenge him.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
What on earth are you talking about?

Thanos destroyed your Hulk hand to hand. Quickly and decisively despite Hulk beginning the encounter with a cheapshot. Just accept a Thanos is his superior. Quit denying reality for your bias. Thanos is the big bad Hulk is just a cog on the wheel of heroes assembled to challenge him.

Are you talking about the movie? We are discussing comics here. Bran, I would like for you to post a comment "against" my previous posts.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about the movie? We are discussing comics here. Bran, I would like for you to post a comment "against" my previous posts. You really don't.

Just let it be Carver. I'm enjoying what people can come up with. wink

Baziemarc123
Hulk can punch down Celestial beings powerful enough to tank attacks from Genis-Vell, Surfer and Dr.Strange at once

https://s8.postimg.cc/lbkuaifsx/RCO018_1466107935.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/8k6o41vr5/1398296303-savagehulkenergy28theend4.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You really don't.

Just let it be Carver. I'm enjoying what people can come up with. wink

Yep, I do. Bring it.

quanchi112

carver9
Quan, are you talking about Thanos fighting an alternate Hulk? Help menujderstsnd what you are talking about.

quanchi112

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
LOl you didn't debunk anything, you never do. show Darkseid or Highfather beating solar system-multi galaxy level beings. I'll wait

Post crisis avatars of darkseid struggle with superman level beings all the time

Yes I did.

So does Odin against Thor.

Baziemarc123
that's more of a feat for Thor lol. he's used to fighting against skyfather beings, darkseid isn't

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that's more of a feat for Thor lol. he's used to fighting against skyfather beings, darkseid isn't
Thor is a skyfather level being now?

Darkseid fighting Superman is a low showing for Darkseid but Odin fighting Thor is a high showing for Thor?

No bias there.

carver9
@Quan...

Has he ever put the Hulk down? Hulk resistance and him coming back more powerful than ever is what makes the Hulk. Thanos punching him and then backing off shows that he is a coward that doubts his chances against the Hulk.

panthergod
Thor beat up Odin twice. Superman is proven superior to Thor. But Superman operating at multiple times above his standard portrayal is a bad showing for Darkseid. Yeah ok.

quanchi112

Baziemarc123
ROFL hell no. Darkseid is far superior to Superman, that's canon fact.

Just recently superman only caused city shaking shockwave against a terrax rip off.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, I do. Bring it. You used a showing from a comic that came in packs of Drake's Coffee Cakes in a series where Spider-Man said Gladiator was equal in strength to him to try and prove the prior Gladiator fight was null. Even though Gladiator wasn't exactly trying.

That's probably the least of it too. Just let it be Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You used a showing from a comic that came in packs of Drake's Coffee Cakes in a series where Spider-Man said Gladiator was equal in strength to him to try and prove the prior Gladiator fight was null. Even though Gladiator wasn't exactly trying.

That's probably the least of it too. Just let it be Carver.

Is it canon?

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
Is it canon? I can't imagine. Nor would I imagine Marvel would ever remark on the two series they released only in packs of snacks 25 years ago.

Jubilee's power was effecting the sun in the first series, and about to throw the entire cosmos into flux because it was screwing with the sun. Juggernaut's helmet was the source of his invulnerability (otherwise he was way too much for Hulk/Spider-Man/Wolverine).

this, right before Jubilee used her max power (cue not appearing for two pages)

https://imgur.com/QnPFzSK

etc

quanchi112

Galan007
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I can't imagine. Nor would I imagine Marvel would ever remark on the two series they released only in packs of snacks 25 years ago.

Jubilee's power was effecting the sun in the first series, and about to throw the entire cosmos into flux because it was screwing with the sun. Juggernaut's helmet was the source of his invulnerability (otherwise he was way too much for Hulk/Spider-Man/Wolverine).

this, right before Jubilee used her max power (cue not appearing for two pages)

https://imgur.com/QnPFzSK

etc https://i.imgur.com/i0vtyDV.jpg

Philosophía
Originally posted by Galan007
https://i.imgur.com/i0vtyDV.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.projectcasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Toothpaste-Commercial.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
ROFL hell no. Darkseid is far superior to Superman, that's canon fact.

Just recently superman only caused city shaking shockwave against a terrax rip off.

Make up your mind. Either Darkseid struggle with Superman or he is far superior.

Baziemarc123
yes his avatars struggle with superman which are usually the ones superman fights

Insane Titan

panthergod
So we're pretending that Hulk doesn't have showings equal or superior to anything standard Thanos has done physically..? ok. laughing out loud

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
yes his avatars struggle with superman which are usually the ones superman fights

Your fan fiction is irrelevant as usual.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
yes his avatars struggle with superman which are usually the ones superman fights
Where is that stated?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is that stated?

where it was stated? Superman has never beaten the actual darkseid until final crisis retconned it was all of his aspects

panthergod
Prove that Darkseid from Apokolips Now is ever stated to be an avatar. laughing out loud

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
Prove that Darkseid from Apokolips Now is ever stated to be an avatar. laughing out loud

Apokolips Now was def the real darkseid hence why I said "UNTIL" final crisis retconned it to be an avatar lmao

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
where it was stated? Superman has never beaten the actual darkseid until final crisis retconned it was all of his aspects

Which arrive in the Third World. Apokolips Now happened on Apokolips.

Baziemarc123
No, Morrison confirmed it in general.

Baziemarc123
Darkseid said no one on Earth had ever seen his full presence. Who's on Earth? Superman.

quanchi112

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No, Morrison confirmed it in general.

Your fan fiction is irrelevant son.

Morrison establishing that Darkseid is a multi dimensional being is NOT exactly the same as the avatar concept established by Byrne.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
Your fan fiction is irrelevant son.

Morrison establishing that Darkseid is a multi dimensional being is NOT exactly the same as the avatar concept established by Byrne.

wrong.

Darkseid doesn't say they've only ever faced Avatars, he says they've only ever faced versions of him that weren't going all out. Ideas, not the real thing

http://i.imgur.com/IazJij4.jpg?1

panthergod

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
wrong.

Darkseid doesn't say they've only ever faced Avatars, he says they've only ever faced versions of him that weren't going all out. Ideas, not the real thing

http://i.imgur.com/IazJij4.jpg?1

lmao, what? Darkseid's consciousness was in Dan Turpin's body. And no, that's not what he said. The New Gods Are ALWAYS sentient ideas per Morrison.

Morrison specifically makes clear the difference between the mortal bodies they are inhabiting there and the 'Celestial forms' they traditionally manifest in.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No, Morrison confirmed it in general.

Where?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
lmao, what? Darkseid's consciousness was in Dan Turpin's body. And no, that's not what he said. The New Gods Are ALWAYS sentient ideas per Morrison.

Morrison specifically makes clear the difference between the mortal bodies they are inhabiting there and the 'Celestial forms' they traditionally manifest in.

that's literally the same THING i said

Baziemarc123
true form darkseid appeared and not even superman, or the league could stop him so no Superman never defeated him ever. period.

Galan007
Also, Darkseid had FINALLY been revived, was FINALLY in possession of the complete ALE, and was FINALLY on the verge of fulfilling his true endgame(ie. dragging the whole of creation into his own personal Hell.) Hence referring to himself as "God incarnate".

That quote literally has NOTHING to do with avatars or w/e, but of course BizMarkie123 is taking it WAY out of context. Lawl.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
true form darkseid appeared and not even superman, or the league could stop him so no Superman never defeated him ever. period.

Except Superman did stop him. With a musical note even.

Baziemarc123
This is Post crisis Darkseid's best combat strength feat. period. People try to make it seem like beating Darkseid in post crisis was some kind of accomplishment when he has zero skyfather feats, let alone a feat that's above Hulk

If you think Odin can't replicate this, your delusional LMAO

https://s8.postimg.cc/7eggaebl1/firestormv3_35a.jpg

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Superman did stop him. With a musical note even.

LOL Superman defeated true form darkseid in physical combat? Show me. I'll wait

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I can't imagine. Nor would I imagine Marvel would ever remark on the two series they released only in packs of snacks 25 years ago.

Jubilee's power was effecting the sun in the first series, and about to throw the entire cosmos into flux because it was screwing with the sun. Juggernaut's helmet was the source of his invulnerability (otherwise he was way too much for Hulk/Spider-Man/Wolverine).

this, right before Jubilee used her max power (cue not appearing for two pages)

https://imgur.com/QnPFzSK

etc

Make sense but you do agree Hulk was dying when he fought Gladiator?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/140903/2998022-5762557368-29795.jpg

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that's literally the same THING i said
No it isn't you dumb ass.

You just insinuated that Dan Turpin's body>> their classical Celestial forms. laughing out loud

f*ck outta here.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
No it isn't you dumb ass.

You just insinuated that Dan Turpin's body>> their classical Celestial forms. laughing out loud

f*ck outta here.

YOU actually agreed with what I said, so don't try to twist the context.

Do you ever say anything RELEVANT?

and PR told you to stop bashing, aren't you like 29? and you still don't know how to properly discuss without insulting? sad

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
This is Post crisis Darkseid's best combat strength feat. period. People try to make it seem like beating Darkseid in post crisis was some kind of accomplishment when he has zero skyfather feats, let alone a feat that's above Hulk

If you think Odin can't replicate this, your delusional LMAO

https://s8.postimg.cc/7eggaebl1/firestormv3_35a.jpg

Is that why Odin has nothing in his existence that is superior in the least to Post crisis Darkseid..?

But thanks for acknowledging that Orion and Firestorm>>>Thor and Surfer to you. laughing out loud

Thor has beaten Odin. laughing out loud.

Darksied>Odin, period. Cry more.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Upped his offense, downed his defense

He was... very strong to say the least. His skin was made of paper back then. Not really his brain however. I don't recall too many outright KOs.


Anyway, what would you personally say is Hulk's best feat? Matching 1/2 of In-Betweener?

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
YOU actually agreed with what I said, so don't try to twist the context.

Do you ever say anything RELEVANT?

and PR told you to stop bashing, aren't you like 29? and you still don't know how to properly discuss without insulting? sad

No I didn't.

YOU said that Darksied's mind within a human's body>> a Celestial Godform far superior to Elite top tiers that has absorbed the power of multiple Pantheons. laughing out loud

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
Is that why Odin has nothing in his existence that is superior in the least to Post crisis Darkseid..?

But thanks for acknowledging that Orion and Firestorm>>>Thor and Surfer to you. laughing out loud

Thor has beaten Odin. laughing out loud.

Darksied>Odin, period. Cry more.

LOL no I'm ASKING you if you think Odin can replicate what Darkseid did in that particular scene because thats his best strength feat he's accomplished in post crisis. ever.,

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
LOL no I'm ASKING you if you think Odin can replicate what Darkseid did in that particular scene because thats his best strength feat he's accomplished in post crisis. ever.,

You know nothing of these characters as you do not read comics, which is why you are only worthy of ridicule.

laughing out loud

But yeah, Orion and Firestorm>Thor and Surfer to you. Firestorm DID wreck Thor. so it makes sense.. laughing out loud

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
He was... very strong to say the least. His skin was made of paper back then. Not really his brain however. I don't recall too many outright KOs.


Anyway, what would you personally say is Hulk's best feat? Matching 1/2 of In-Betweener?

He was strong but I think the effects of what was said in that scan took place during the time he was leaking energy WBH fashion... NOT during his fight against Gladiator.

I would say Hulk best showing is his battle against Sentry IF what Pak intentions on Sentry power level during the time was legit and i feel as if he felt Sentry was that powerful (Galactus level per his own admission).

I already know about Thanos encounter with IB. Guessing this is why you mentioned him?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
You know nothing of these characters as you do not read comics, which is why you are only worthy of ridicule.

laughing out loud

But yeah, Orion and Firestorm>Thor and Surfer to you. Firestorm DID wreck Thor. so it makes sense.. laughing out loud

when did I imply they both>surfer and Thor?

where did you even get that from?

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
I would say Hulk best showing is his battle against Sentry IF what Pak intentions on Sentry power level during the time was legit and i feel as if he felt Sentry was that powerful (Galactus level per his own admission). This turned out worse than I thought it would.


Abort

Baziemarc123
I'm gonna ask you again, DO YOU think Darkseid replicating that showing against Firestorm, and Orion is above Odin? and why

Galan007
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
LOL no I'm ASKING you if you think Odin can replicate what Darkseid did in that particular scene because thats his best strength feat he's accomplished in post crisis. ever., Eh, that's not a strength feat. none

Darkseid used an energy attack to drop Orion + Mr. Miracle, and some sort of extra-dimensional attack to rip Stein from the Firestorm Matrix... Much like Amazo did here:

http://i.imgur.com/MddsMbam.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3RaomYHm.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
This is Post crisis Darkseid's best combat strength feat. period. People try to make it seem like beating Darkseid in post crisis was some kind of accomplishment when he has zero skyfather feats, let alone a feat that's above Hulk

If you think Odin can't replicate this, your delusional LMAO

https://s8.postimg.cc/7eggaebl1/firestormv3_35a.jpg

That's not even that noteworthy feat for Darkseid.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by One Big Mob
This turned out worse than I thought it would.


Abort

laughing out loud

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
This turned out worse than I thought it would.


Abort

Lol... why did you ask the question Bran?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not even that noteworthy feat for Darkseid.

why isn't it?

Orion and Firestorm aren't IMPRESSIVE now LMAO?

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... why did you ask the question Bran? Because I know what you champion around the forum.

What I didn't expect was you doing a dodge of that level, and saying things that would make Reality Warper spit out his alka seltzer water

carver9
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Because I know what you champion around the forum.

What I didn't expect was you doing a dodge of that level, and saying things that would make Reality Warper spit out his alka seltzer water

Majority of Hulk fts, we've already discussed and always tend to come to a disagreement. His best showings in my opinion is halting Exitar, destroying a machine that was capable of halting Celestials and the In Betweener showing. The Onslaught showing as well. Hulk physically overwhelming him when Onslaught was tapping into Magneto, Professor Xavier, Xman AND Franklin power and yes, when Onslaught gained those abilities, he was a pro at using them.

Insane Titan

carver9
Did I say superior? I thought I said more formidable? I'll check.

quanchi112
This thread is magic.

Insane Titan

One Big Mob
Originally posted by carver9
Majority of Hulk fts, we've already discussed and always tend to come to a disagreement. His best showings in my opinion is halting Exitar, destroying a machine that was capable of halting Celestials and the In Betweener showing. The Onslaught showing as well. Hulk physically overwhelming him when Onslaught was tapping into Magneto, Professor Xavier, Xman AND Franklin power and yes, when Onslaught gained those abilities, he was a pro at using them. You're giving me an aneurysm with all these misinterpreted feats you keep bringing up. I can feel what amounts to a kitten doing those rear leg bicycle kicks to my brain right now. I'm trying my darndest not to debate with you too.

Anyway... good list Carver. It's good to have a basis. smile

panthergod

Insane Titan

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