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"Is this your Harlem hero?!"

I love how he got upset when people said he was faster than Usain Bolt.

Originally posted by leonidas
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One could assume KM has the same pressure points knowledge as T'Challa...

But without on-panel feats of performing such, he loses.

kinda what i was thinking....

Originally posted by deathslash
I love how he got upset when people said he was faster than Usain Bolt. oops, read this thread as bushmaster vs Luke cage.

Killmonger still has vibranium weapons, so he should win.

Luke on average.

Luke, easily.

if km has vibranium weapons he would def be able to cut luke and i wouldn't put km very far below danny in skill. if someone can show he actually has access to vibranium as standard gear, i'd take him. without, he could bat luke around but yeah, luke would take him.

Originally posted by leonidas
if km has vibranium weapons he would def be able to cut luke

Based on?

What piercing feats does the Wakandan vibranium have, actually?

Good question.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on?

What piercing feats does the Wakandan vibranium have, actually?

that is a pretty fair question, actually. i always default to bp's daggers, which have damaged ultron, but that was via phasing and those are special even by vibranium standards. i guess i know cage can be cut by logan's claws, so i assume a vibranium edged weapon could also cut him. adamantium IS stronger, but vibranium isn't far behind, especially if it absorbs a little bit of energy. by most standards it is considered essentially unbreakable still.

there is also this:

https://www.page45.com/store/Black-Panther-Doom-War-sc.html

in doomwar, the new doombots were kicking the sh!t out of the ff and wakandans until they broke out the vibranium weaponry and proceeded to wipe out the amped doombots. clearly vibranium weaponry>>regular weapons. but, yeah. i guess we don't know for certain. based on everything i've seen though, i'd say that vibranium knives could cut cage.

Originally posted by leonidas
that is a pretty fair question, actually. i always default to bp's daggers, which have damaged ultron, but that was via phasing and those are special even by vibranium standards.

Thought they were made out of pure energy? At least the classic ones which you're referring to.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/5499668-5201818-4509639334-30240.jpg

... gloves can generate energy daggers (...)

Originally posted by leonidas
i guess i know cage can be cut by logan's claws, so i assume a vibranium edged weapon could also cut him. adamantium IS stronger, but vibranium isn't far behind, especially if it absorbs a little bit of energy. by most standards it is considered essentially unbreakable still.

Depends on who you ask here. Mungi considers vibranium shit w/o its absorption properties, for example.

And vibranium IS far behind; unlike with adamantium, there was never a "secondary vibranium" kind of a retcon or anything.

Teenage Colossus, Protocide, Collective Man, Bone Claw Wolverine... they're not exactly gods of strength like the Hulk, still all managed to damage vibranium.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is also this:

https://www.page45.com/store/Black-Panther-Doom-War-sc.html

in doomwar, the new doombots were kicking the sh!t out of the ff and wakandans until they broke out the vibranium weaponry and proceeded to wipe out the amped doombots. clearly vibranium weaponry>>regular weapons. but, yeah. i guess we don't know for certain. based on everything i've seen though, i'd say that vibranium knives could cut cage.

That's better

We could still argue that they cancelled out each other's absorption gimmick, but let's not nitpick it too much.

I was gonna mention Warpath and his knives... but he has a high degree of superhuman strength, KM can't compare.

Again, KM (and his weapons) needs feats... we can't just assume he can incapacitate Cage with a nerve strike or cut his throat using a vibranium blade without having some legit on panel feats first.

^^^you seem to have covered everything there.
I was going to mention the energy daggers/Warpath and the strength differential, assigning feats sight unseen, as i was reading the post you responded to.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thought they were made out of pure energy? At least the classic ones which you're referring to.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/5499668-5201818-4509639334-30240.jpg

... gloves can generate energy daggers (...)



Depends on who you ask here. Mungi considers vibranium shit w/o its absorption properties, for example.

And vibranium IS far behind; unlike with adamantium, there was never a "secondary vibranium" kind of a retcon or anything.

Teenage Colossus, Protocide, Collective Man, Bone Claw Wolverine... they're not exactly gods of strength like the Hulk, still all managed to damage vibranium.



That's better

We could still argue that they cancelled out each other's absorption gimmick, but let's not nitpick it too much.

I was gonna mention Warpath and his knives... but he has a high degree of superhuman strength, KM can't compare.

Again, KM (and his weapons) needs feats... we can't just assume he can incapacitate Cage with a nerve strike or cut his throat using a vibranium blade without having some legit on panel feats first. as far as cutting feats go:

He can at least get through the hulk.

https://m.imgur.com/FTMMP6z?r

https://i.imgur.com/ExQWaKb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

And Thanos:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/5191835-11.jpg


IIRC, Erik used a vibranium suit and weapons in his last fight with BP. You'll have to look it up yourself though.

AARRGGHHH!!!
BLACK MAN!!!

Originally posted by deathslash
oops, read this thread as bushmaster vs Luke cage.

Killmonger still has vibranium weapons, so he should win.

I read it as Killpower vs Cage.

Which would be pretty awesome, imo.

Originally posted by deathslash
as far as cutting feats go:

He can at least get through the hulk.

https://m.imgur.com/FTMMP6z?r

https://i.imgur.com/ExQWaKb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

And Thanos:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/5191835-11.jpg


IIRC, Erik used a vibranium suit and weapons in his last fight with BP. You'll have to look it up yourself though.

Yeah, but that's anti-metal. Not Wakandan vibranium.

I don't recall Killmonger using AM.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on?

What piercing feats does the Wakandan vibranium have, actually?

one i'd completely forgotten about but came across recently:

https://imgur.com/a/itoEAmp

and yeah, it was def TRUE adamantium:

https://imgur.com/a/rrhEk7y

so vibranium cutting through adamantium? pretty solid.

Originally posted by leonidas
one i'd completely forgotten about but came across recently:

https://imgur.com/a/itoEAmp

and yeah, it was def TRUE adamantium:

https://imgur.com/a/rrhEk7y

so vibranium cutting through adamantium? pretty solid.

Antarctic vibranium, leo. Also known as the anti-metal.

Killmonger never wielded it.

antarctic? where'd you get that? scan says the vibranium came from wakanda not antarctica... is there some other place that says it's anti-metal?

if it were anti-metal, not sure how it would sculpt anything. it would simply melt the metal.

Originally posted by leonidas
antarctic? where'd you get that? scan says the vibranium came from wakanda not antarctica... is there some other place that says it's anti-metal?

if it were anti-metal, not sure how it would sculpt anything. it would simply melt the metal.

Quick history lesson here, old man

Both Wakandan and Antarctic varieties of vibranium are referred to simply as "vibranium". The latter was actually the first vibranium in comics.

T'Challa has the access to both - hence why his claws are made out of it.

Exactly, it liquefies it (though that effect depends on the writer, BP used them for climbing, they were getting embedded in plane just fine), so Alicia can work with her hands and mould it... that's literally the only thing she's been known for (other than being blind), by the way...

This whole thing was discussed here in CBvF quite a few times, actually. The conclusion is always the same, Alicia used anti-metal:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14092791&highlight=statue+anti-metal#post14092791

Feel free to disagree. This one is always fun.

consider me in the "disagrees" camp. initially anti-metal was called vibranium (as it was the first type discovered) but the 2 were differentiated pretty regularly by different names, even by the time the hulk issue came out. and while wakanda would have had some anti-metal, maybe (anti-metal claws came out a LONG time after that hulk book....) the much more obvious answer is it's simply wakandan vibranium, as it says. unless someone shows me anti-metal actually shaping metal, instead of simply melting or destroying it, i'll stick with the narration. anti-metal is crazy and the vibrations it gives off do not stop.
regular vibranium is also capable of breaking molecular bonds btw:

https://imgur.com/a/PerO3Vl

that arc was set in the past, making it possible the tool she used was just vibranium.

It says it was a vibranium blade donated by the kingdom of Wakanda. No matter how fine a sculptor Alicia is, she'd need more tools than just that, not to mention some protective equipment. We didn't get to see her on-panel working on the statue, right?

Anyway, in its weaponized form, anti-metal behaves quite nicely, as seen when T'Challa is scaling a jumbo jet:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3780996-5609083456-26025.jpg

Or when Kasper Cole simply cuts the shit out of dude's armor with it:

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13748382_f520.jpg

There are more examples when it acted just as a damn fine blade against metal, being perfectly controllable. Like against Iron Man:

https://i1.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/black-panther-daggers-vs-iron-man.png?resize=667%2C1024

It makes no sense for me for the blade to be made out of Wakandan vibranium - it'd be like one of the biggest outliers of all time and one of its few cutting feats ever.

Cap's shield can slice through a tank with ease, it got deflected by Wolverine's claws just fine.

U.S. Agent's shield is 100% vibranium, yet it got busted by d-listers such as Protocide and Collective Man. If someone as frail as Alicia was able to carve the statue with the blade, then why Class 10 Walker couldn't behead Wolverine with his shield's edge (believe me, he tried his best)? Then you have his NI star shield getting cut by Logan.

Pak did bring the statue back, he hasn't elaborated on it in any book by any chance?

your stance is def fair and understandable. those are good examples. there are several examples of it destroying all metal in the area though. a tiny bit of it wiped out the tri-sentinel, for example. i guess NEITHER answer is great, or consistent with what has been shown more commonly. and no more word on the statue afaik.

Agree to disagree, then.

I wonder if some secondary sources (handbooks and so on) tried to clarify it.

Back to the original topic, I can see Cage's skin getting punctured by a decent weapon.

But just like with the nerve strikes I mentioned on the beginning, KM needs feats with such weapons.

yeah. i really wasn't sure how enhanced km has been shown to be recently in comics, and if he was enhanced enough to give cage a good run for his money.