Darth Traya (lazybones) vs Darth Malgus (slayne)

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lazybones
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Darth Traya, the Lord of Betrayal (represented by lazybones)


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Darth Malgus, False Emperor (represented by slayne)


Rules:
Darth Traya as of Knights of the Old Republic II, Darth Malgus as of The Old Republic. Primes for both.
20m apart, Legends incarnations.
Battle takes place on the fields of Lothal.
TSLRCM admissible.
Part of a small SW tournament. Method of deciding victor will be more fully fleshed out later.
It has been decided that slayne will be posting the opener.
As this is a 1v1 debate, it would be appreciated if spectators could keep comments to an absolute minimum.

Azronger
Looking forward to this.

Freedon Nadd
In this fight depends the environment very much.

slayne
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slayne

lazybones
Nice. Will formulate my response within next few days.

Azronger
Decent post thumb up

DarthSkywalker0
Originally posted by Azronger
Decent post thumb up

Freedon Nadd
Wait, you use people's respect threads in this?

lazybones

lazybones
(cont...)

Now what is my case for Traya winning? Well, one massive point in Traya's favour is the fact that she actually scales from early Nihilus. The evidence for this is stronger than you may think. Firstly, Traya is said to be by sources the 'most senior' of the Triumvirate. This is not referring to age or experience, as Sion is actually older than Traya and fought the Jedi for many more decades as a marauder in Kun's empire. Furthermore, it is said that the Sith in this era worked their way to the top by the lightsaber blade, which would not be referring to solely lightsaber skills as the Sith would obviously employ their force powers in these lethal contests, and also retcons a loading screen attributing Traya's rise to her manipulation.




So it can be inferred that Traya was the most formidable member of the Triumvirate at the time of her fall. And of course, this is hardly far-fetched as the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith is typically the most powerful anyhow. That is, unless their apprentice is more powerful. However, we happen to know that Nihilus is not more powerful than Traya at this time, because sources say that he had to team up with Sion. What's more, despite having her distracted and intending to kill her, Nihilus was unable to do so in their showdown in the Trayus Core. In fact, Sion and Nihilus drained her together, yet they were still unable to kill her or permanently cut her off from the force.






This is all important because Nihilus' resurrection of the Ravager along with his fleet occurred at around the same time. The resurrection of the Ravager and the fleet is said to be a measure of Nihilus' power. And since Traya by all indicators is actually Nihilus' superior at this point of time, this sort of power display should be within her capabilities. That should put her easily out of Malgus' range.

Another reason why I doubt Malgus' chances is that I'm genuinely not sure if he can put Traya down for good. With her incredible pain resistance, constant passive drain , and mastery of healing, it will be a terribly uphill battle for the False Emperor. Despite having any ability to augment herself stripped from her, Kreia was able withstand intense torture by the hands of Nihilus and Sion, who after the fact believed with certainty that she was dead. And only shortly after recovering her connection with the force on Peragus, Kreia recovers remarkably quickly after the agony of losing a limb. Later, Kreia even impales herself with a lightsaber, and not only manages to remain conscious, but is able to still use Force Crush on late-game Exile and walk away with no noted difficulty. Considering that it is said that she drained the Exile, I'd imagine she used this to heal herself. If so, this would mean that not even breaking through her defences and impaling her would be enough to take down Traya. And in fact, Traya has been shown to be able to heal mortally fatal wounds before with little effort and without drain even in the equation (Tobin, Hanharr).



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- credit to Nova RT

Speaking of drain, Traya would be using this passively throughout the battle. And as the duel wears on, Traya will be growing stronger whilst Malgus grows weaker. She can also ramp this up to the sort of active draining that she used to easily dispose of the three Jedi Masters who were said to have 'extremely potent' force powers. I doubt Malgus would be killed by such an assault, but he would certainly be noticeably weakened. Such draining would shore up Traya's already considerable force powers. The incredible pain resist and healing of Traya as laid out above will allow her to prolong the battle and only further sap Malgus' strength.

As well as the potential to severely drain Malgus' force strength and continually weaken him over time while amping herself, Traya also has the ability to gravely hamper Malgus' general combative strength too. As a master of Ionize who is able to use it on the massive machinery of a tank droid, it is far from inconceivable that Traya could use her powers against Malgus' armor. To put into perspective what this could do, Obi-Wan was able to use Ionize to make Anakin drop his lightsaber in their Duel on Mustafar. Now think of a similar trick being used not only against a hand, but practically the entire body of the individual who is 'held together by machines' (SWTOR Encyclopedia), including the breathing apparatus on which that person depends. This is what Traya could do in a blink of an eye, and Malgus would have no counter to it.




- credit to Nova's RT

I could go into more detail about some lines of scaling and useful abilities that Traya has, but I don't want to labour the point too seriously here so I will sum up the points I have made so far:

Traya, as the most senior member of the pre-fall Triumvirate, is superior to early Nihilus. Nihilus at this point was capable of pulling off his famed Ravager/fleet resurrection feat, which was stated to be a measure of his power. Traya scaling above this puts her comfortably out of Malgus' league.
Traya, even in situations where her ability to augment herself is negligible or nil, is able to withstand lethal torture and the severing of limbs. Later, Kreia remains conscious through impaling herself with a lightsaber, and after the fact is still able to Force Crush late-game Exile and walk off almost casually.
Traya is capable of not only withstanding, but also healing, utterly lethal wounds, including being impaled with a lightsaber and healing Tobin and Hanharr when they were next to dead.
Throughout the battle, Traya will be growing stronger whilst Malgus grows weaker, and Traya would be able to ramp her drain up at any time to severely reduce Malgus' powers.
As a master of Ionize, Traya will be able to instantly short-circuit the entirety of Malgus' mechanical armor, thus massively hampering Malgus' mobility and overall combat effectiveness, and disarming him in the same manner that Kenobi disarmed Anakin with this ability.

MythLord
Marvelous post.

Azronger
Great stuff

Haschwalth
Damn, good post.

slayne
Good stuff. I'll have a response up within a week or so.

TheMuser
Incredibly strong post. You far surpassed all expectations with that. This just got way more interesting

victreebelvictr
You are quite intelligent

victreebelvictr
I deeply doubt that malgus can win this one, traya is more experienced.

Azronger
Originally posted by slayne
Good stuff. I'll have a response up within a week or so.

rolling on floor laughing

victreebelvictr
i find malgus the 15th strongest sith and darth traya as 8th.

MythLord
nobody caaares

victreebelvictr
Well you should for the fact that this is a Malgus vs. traya thread so... everyone has their opinion. That is what kmc is for.

slayne

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slayne

slayne
Sorry for the delay, lol. I'm a lazy ****

Azronger
Decent response

Selenial
Indeed, though I feel a lack of concrete Traya knowledge has left it open to easy rebuttal in places. The argument about her not being able to shrug off the loss of a limb like a hand for example.... Malachor?

Azronger
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lazybones
Noice. Might take a while to respond though. Just a heads up.

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by lazybones
Noice. Might take a while to respond though. Just a heads up. take as long as you need to, as long as you win. i cant argue for traya"s sake in an arguement like this, i trust you bones.

slayne
@lazy
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
take as long as you need to

victreebelvictr
Great job by the way, you do well slayne

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