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Who wins?

Surfer sets him on fire.

Martian Manjobber is a name you can actually google...

Surfer annihilates him.

Martian should win this without too much difficult.y

Originally posted by RadZoa
Martian should win this without too much difficult.y

You're the worst DC zombie fanboy on this site.

^^^lol

Close fight, though. Edge to SS.

Surfer can do everything Jonn can do plus more. He wins w/o too much trouble.

That has never stopped him from jobbing.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Surfer can do everything Jonn can do plus more. He wins w/o too much trouble.
Thats not really true, as MM has no energy manip to speak of. Of course SS is no telepathic shape shifter.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats not really true, as MM has no energy manip to speak of. Of course SS is no telepathic shape shifter.

You need to quote me again because obviously you didn't read it.



I definitely did not state that Jonn can do everything Surfer can. So your very first point is wrong. Plus you should google Martian Vision which means Jonn does have some limited energy manipulation. But nowhere close to Surfer's energy manipulation.

Its laughable that you think Surfer doesn't have tp, and can't change his shape. I mean what I am about to show is nowhere near his limits its just basic for him.

Change his appearance and his friend's appearance with a thought.

http://i.imgur.com/oH4oqJJ.jpg

Surfer literally turns into snow.

http://i.imgur.com/QFpPQQk.jpg

Honestly you should feel really silly right now. But wait you mentioned telepathy. Oh my Surfer surely hasn't done things like:

Projected an illusion that tricked Galactus.

http://i.imgur.com/oEXFNch.jpg

Telepathically calms an entire planet.

http://i.imgur.com/uIGILkv.jpg

Brings world peace for a little while.

http://i.imgur.com/JpcUMIf.jpg

Frees himself from the goddess mind control and resists a mental blast from Moondragon with the mind gem.

http://i.imgur.com/RPTSdqV.jpg

So now you should feel real stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That has never stopped him from jobbing.

Who said it did. They both job a lot with is the point of this thread.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Surfer can do everything Jonn can do plus more. He wins w/o too much trouble. *Surfer has most abilities J'onn has, but most of them at a lower level.

My bad.

Surfer.

Neither are truly jobbers, though I suppose MM is more so than SS.

A true, in-comics jobber, is someone who consistently underperforms compared to the power levels and potential formidability he is credited with having *in the comics*. Think Crusher creel or the Rhino. It isn't about someone underperforming compared to what his power set should 'realistically' allow them to do. If that were the case, then the Flash might be one of the ultimate jobbers ever.

To be more precise, you also have to look at how a given writer rates a character's potential, and then look at the performance under that writer. While MM is often said to be Superman's equal, he often performs at that level under the writer who credits him as such. You can't call it jobbing when MM loses to someone under a writer who never credited MM with having the advantage in the first place.

That said, there are more than a few examples where MM is said to be on Superman's level and then proceeds, inexplicably, to underperform said level. I'd say that happens more with MM than with SS, who typically is presented as Thor/Gladiator level and typically performs at that level. I don't really consider Surfer to be a huge jobber or even a poor fighter as many claim. The issue is simply that in theory his power set should allow him to steamroller almost anyone, and he doesn't. But that says more about certain readers who don't understand how comics work than the character itself.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I disagree about the lower levels, MM may have more tp feats, but Surfer has the feats to defend against it. Moving the goalpost?

You said Surfer can do "anything J'onn can". Not "Surfer can resist J'onn's telepathy" .

Right here:


Surfer cannot do, with his 'telepathic abilities', anywhere near what J'onn can.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I don't see any advantage for MM anywhere else.

You mean besides J'onn being stronger, faster and better shapeshifting ?

If he doesn't have those feats to show similar or greater potency in J'onn's powers, why do you disagree with the assertion that Surfer has most of J'onn's abilities at a lower level?

Originally posted by Supermutant
not shifting anything, Surfer has every single power that MM has. tp, tk, shape shifting, etc. plus more like creating a black hole. Why the f*ck don't you admit that you were wrong, and are now trying to move the goalpost? Other posters are calling you out on it now.

This, from you:

is not true. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I stated he can do everything like tp, not that he has every exact feat of MM. The same thing with shape-shifting lol that you think I meant Surfer will have the exact same shape-shifting feats as MM.

no character is going to have the exact same feats as another. that's ridiculous to think I meant that. You literally said that you disagree with Surfer having them at a lower level:
Originally posted by Supermutant
I disagree about the lower levels

Unless you are implying that Surfer has greater TP and shapeshifting than J'onn, you simply said something that was wrong.

dunno why MM has such a low rep on this site

if we compare feats, they are on the same level, with surfer has couple outliers higher, and the advantages of having more high end feats by simply having more feats in general. the only reason is because dc reboot and create different version of same character. surfer just has more appearances than each version of MM

if you group all of MM feats together since pre crisis, no way does surfer look more impressive. but that's not the rule so it's neither here or there

also dunno why people bring up SS creating blackhole, that was brought by energy discharge and even if he does use it in battle, jonn survived the pull of black hole before

still, SS 7/10 here

Originally posted by MrMind
dunno why MM has such a low rep on this site

On the whole Internet, not just this site, friendo

http://i63.tinypic.com/53mq05.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/2060scn.png

http://i63.tinypic.com/2002rrs.png

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ptc49f.png

http://i63.tinypic.com/ildsu8.png

Originally posted by NemeBro
If he doesn't have those feats to show similar or greater potency in J'onn's powers, why do you disagree with the assertion that Surfer has most of J'onn's abilities at a lower level?

I'm waiting on a super power that MM has that Surfer doesn't. And all Surfer need is to create a match. lol And Phil can have all the fun he can handle creating fictional goal posts and straw man arguments. All that is something that I'm neither emotional about nor interested in. Surfer does have feats, both of these characters are jobbers, and I've spent way more time in this thread than I thought I would.

lmao @ Stilt

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
On the whole Internet, not just this site, friendo




It is an extremely targeted research. You could do the same for Superman or Hulk.

Originally posted by nortonek
It is an extremely targeted research. You could do the same for Superman or Hulk.

Not really - they don't have their own jobber names

Silver Surfer vs Martian Manhunter would be a great battle zone.

I can see MM usin his TP to amp SS jobbing abilities.

The limits of Surfer's versatility are another manifestation of comic conventions, and can't really be delineated using 'in comics' explanations.

In theory, there is virtually no limit to the KINDS of things Surfer can do: his limits are quantitative, not qualitative. In practice, however, there are many things Surfer cannot do.

As to the quantitative limits, Surfer on the whole seems to have a level of raw power roughly equivalent to elite top tiers like Gladiator, Thor, and Blue Marvel. In theory, any manifestation of his powers would be roughly at that level, though a lack of skill or experience at some power manifestations such as TP or shape-shifting might still limit him.

MM also seems to be at that level of elite top tiers, by and large, when it comes to raw power. So I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM, though again, skill would be an issue. But this is, IMO, moot, as Surfer almost certainly isn't going to be using MM's full bag of tricks in any fight.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
So I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM.

what feat does surfer has to suggest any of this, especially tp?

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Martian Manjobber is a name you can actually google...

Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.

Silver Surfer can also be green better than MM. Nuder too

Janus lol, welcome back

Originally posted by janus77
Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.


Wwwwwooowwwww, long time no see. Good to have you back.

Originally posted by janus77
Jobbing or not, Surfer annihilates Manhunter.

There's absolutely nothing MM can do that SS can't counter and return in kind.

Surfer's far faster, more powerful, more versatile, more intelligent and he can alter MM's dna.

I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer?

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer? Because they know both characters.

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why people are saying MM is stronger than Surfer?
Because he is.

Aaaahhhh, I see which individuals are saying this. Please disregard my comment above.

Like a master butcher, the Derrick knows where to carve to get the best possible cuts.

Originally posted by carver9
Aaaahhhh, I see which individuals are saying this. Please disregard my comment above. Do you need a safe space to retreat to, or are you going to put on your big boy pants today and argue otherwise?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Like a master butcher, the Derrick knows where to carve to get the best possible cuts.

I forgot I gave out my real name.

Ricky9 is more of an apron and galoshes guy, than a man who wears pants. With the kind of lacerations he deals out, you can't be wearing anything too restrictive.

Big boy boots would be more apt

Derrick sounds a lot better than Pajeet tho.

Carter's got Abighail beat in another area.

Originally posted by carver9
I forgot I gave out my real name.
Carter

JJ is tougher, stronger, smarter and a better fighter but Surfer has him beat in sheer power and options.

CBR Surfer vs CV Martian Manhunter is the real match up.

Surfer turns to cosmic fire. J'onn melts

Originally posted by krisblaze
Derrick sounds a lot better than Pajeet tho.

Carter's got Abighail beat in another area. I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure Abhijeet is quite popular in there. It'd be like Chris in America. We all can't replace our C's with K's afterall.

That being said

http://klaq.com/worldwide-penis-survey-heres-the-chart-were-talking-about-this-a-m/

Can't or won't?

And Norway used to be higher on that list. We've taken in too many rapefugees with tiny penes.

You can't have every country having their own fake spelling of Chris. You'd start having the equivalent of Hoodlisa tier names to make them work.
DeCris
C-Ris
SipCrisPopPercs
Chrys
Krys

There's only so many ways you can bastardize a word until you need a new one

Surfer should wins this, especially give MM weakness.
Plus Surfer is faster.

I'll kill you.

And I'll frame Abhi by leaving your iron man mask in his unused toilet.

ChrisBlaze might be able to, but not KissGayz.

I'm pretty sure only not every house has a "toilet" in India. They have to line up with a bucket of water for the public room with the hole. Hence the whole shitting everywhere fad.

Your plan has failed before it even began pal. I'd come to your house and plug your toilet with kleenex and there'd be nothing you could do about it.

Kristosophia.

Originally posted by zopzop
Philo, the ONLY ability I'd say MM has at a higher level (because he's used it more) is TP. In every other category, Surfer is superior. He really can do anything MM does and more. Zop, we go by on panel feats, not what we'd like the character to do, and use 'he doesn't do it enough' as an excuse. Martian Manhunter, in terms of actual TP feats, is orders of magnitude above what Surfer has ever displayed. The same goes in terms of shapeshifting - and it's not even close. The same goes for speed . This is like saying both Spiderman and Superman have super-strength, super-speed and superhuman durability, but Spiderman can also web people up and has the spider-sense . We can go over the feats, if you'd like.

Surfer is more durable, and with vastly more energy versatility. I'm not saying J'onn beats Surfer , but in terms of 'shared abilities', J'onn is general has him beat.

Was gonna say combat speed in terms of limb movement w/o board Manhunter def.. Surfer using his board during combat is pretty darn fast.Travel speed im guessing Surfer has him beat there. Definitely in tp J'onn obvs.

What shape shifting fts of Jon's are better than Surfers?

Originally posted by carver9
What shape shifting fts of Jon's are better than Surfers?

His shape-shifting overpowers multiple Justice-Leaguers:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/27470/1020243-martian_manhunter_v2_07___16.jpg

Modifies his molecular-structure during the fight in response to any thought Ultraman forms:
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/02/hdmartianmanhunter.jpg

Literally shape-shifts into Wonder Woman down to her nervous system and merges with her body:
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2633842-1.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2633843-2.png

J'onn can shapeshift into extinct moon-busting dragons:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39088115_MMShapeshifting1.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39088116_MMShapeshifting2.jpg


J'onn can shapeshift his brain to mimic Joker's:
https://origin-static.comicvine.gamespot.com/api/image/original/2633879-2.png

He can shape-shift his DNA to contain the Hourman virus:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/Manjaro_/media/cGF0aDovZGNjb21pY3MxTTJwZzE0LmpwZw==/?ref=


Or can move his brain all over his body to avoid TP control:
https://origin-static.comicvine.gamespot.com/api/image/original/2650622-1.png

Meanwhile, Surfer can, uhm, turn to snow and change himself to another humanoid.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Janus lol, welcome back
lol, thanks.

Couldn't resist posting again ... Can't let Surfer be insulted this bad .

Originally posted by carver9
Wwwwwooowwwww, long time no see. Good to have you back.
Thanks!

KMC seems to have quietened down a lot.

I fell out of love with comics ... And had a change of life circumstances. Now I mostly game, but the whole James Gunn thing got me back here to see what everyone was thinking .. lol.

Good to see you again.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Careful now, you know you can only afford one diaper a day!

Originally posted by janus77
Thanks!

KMC seems to have quietened down a lot.

I fell out of love with comics ... And had a change of life circumstances. Now I mostly game, but the whole James Gunn thing got me back here to see what everyone was thinking .. lol.

Good to see you again.

Welcome back.

Have you seen the open letter thing that was posted recently on twitter?

Originally posted by janus77
Careful now, you know you can only afford one diaper a day!
ermm

Originally posted by zopzop
Philo, the ONLY ability I'd say MM has at a higher level (because he's used it more) is TP. In every other category, Surfer is superior. He really can do anything MM does and more.

MM is stronger and is better at shapeshifting and phasing.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Welcome back.

Have you seen the open letter thing that was posted recently on twitter?
Hey, thanks.


Not seen the actual letter, but I have heard that the GotG crew signed off on a letter to reload the Gunn.

Originally posted by janus77
Hey, thanks.


Not seen the actual letter, but I have heard that the GotG crew signed off on a letter to reload the Gunn.

Well, here it is:

https://tinyurl.com/ycb3o5pr

"Sure he might have slid a couple fingers in some little boys, but aside from the child molestation, he was a real cool and fun guy. I wouldn't bring my kids around him but I'd have a couple shots with the guy and shoot the shit. Guy once co-signed a mortgage for me on my house. Great guy. I can't stress enough how good of a guy he is as long as no little boys are in the vicinity."

Thanks for that ... Interesting letter, seemed like it was headed towards a public call for a campaign to bring him back, only to swerve into banalities and faux profundities about the modern age.

Shame. They should just have written: "They were only jokes, no one got hurt, get the **** over yourselves you incredibly overly sensitive fools. Oh and bring James Gunn back or we kill off Drax!".


I think that would have worked.

Could you imagine lefties calling anyone oversensitive?

They'd do that without even flinching. Look at all the Feminist "male tears" stuff ...

They have yet to evolve to self-awareness.

The problem is with everyone opposing the censorious Left, because The Right are no better. They want to censor and restrict and suppress too, just not as thoroughly and crazily as The Left.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Could you imagine lefties calling anyone oversensitive? They're an outrage machine. All you need is to nudge them a bit in their own backyard, and they eat themselves. Which is happening, slowly, but surely. Every time a feminist meeting puts the 'white women' at the back, or trans-men start beating women at every sport, there's a buzz going in the back of their head, getting louder, and louder.

I love hearing some of them gasp towards "it shouldn't apply to us, it's in bad faith" in their dying breath.

The funniest evolution of the Left, is "Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism".

Dykes that discriminate against chicks with dicks.

They had a bit of a protest at the London PRIDE march. Hilarious stuff.

Originally posted by janus77
The funniest evolution of the Left, is "Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism".

Dykes that discriminate against chicks with dicks.

They had a bit of a protest at the London PRIDE march. Hilarious stuff.
THERE ARE NO CHICKS WITH DICKS, ONLY DUDES WITH T*TS!

This is a matter that stumped even Aristotle. I will not argue the point.

Surfer turns the air around Martian Manhunter to fire 10/10... easy win.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer turns the air around Martian Manhunter to fire 10/10... easy win.

.... good imagination, too bad surfer has not done anything close to that

Surfer has never done anything close to creating fire?

Shut the fug up you idiot.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Surfer has never done anything close to creating fire?

Shut the fug up you idiot.

surfer purposely create fire to burn someone in a battle?

shut the fuk up you ugly long hair skinny scandinavian ***** boy before I ***** slap you into kingdom come

seriously krisblaze your ugly ass don't even register my attention yet time and time again your annoying little insult come after my post. if you like getting your ass kicked while gettin your face shove down the toilet, just say so.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Can't or won't?

And Norway used to be higher on that list. We've taken in too many rapefugees with tiny penes.

yeah your cuck country should've taken more rapefugees from africa, you'd be happy seeing your women getting raped by bbc

lol at you eurocucks getting slowly taken over by muslims and other minorities lmao

Hop on a plane if you can afford it.

You'd surprised at how much someone can change in 7 years

Surfer can obviously create fire, read some comics.

It shouldn't be beyond his abilities, true.

The only unknown is whether or not Norrin's cosmic awareness will inform him of Manjobber's weakness.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hop on a plane if you can afford it.

You'd surprised at how much someone can change in 7 years

Surfer can obviously create fire, read some comics.

hop on a plane just to slap your *** face?
or go to your shit hole socialist country that's infested by feminism?
no thank you, I'll save my hard earned dollars a trip to thailand and their prostitutes

surfer can create fire to burn someone nobody is arguing against that, but he has not use that tactic ever in a battle

Gotta say, I don't remember you acting like that, MrMind.

It's entertaining. Keep it up

Time runs out for everyone eventually

It was only a matter of time

Lol MrMind turning the air around him to fire.

Surfer has boiled an entire ocean to burn Lunatik.

FYI

Ban hammer in 3.....
2......

Question :
Will MM phasing ability protect him from fire?

It should, but don't forget, it's psychological.

So he's probably lose concentration when near a fire, and phuck himself up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It should, but don't forget, it's psychological.

So he's probably lose concentration when near a fire, and phuck himself up.

So it's the fear of it that will make him come out of the phased state?

Originally posted by MrMind
.... good imagination, too bad surfer has not done anything close to that

Lol... one of the most versatile character in comics and you're questioning if he can create fire around MM? Hilarious. Surfer is a mini cosmic cube.

Originally posted by MrMind
surfer purposely create fire to burn someone in a battle?

shut the fuk up you ugly long hair skinny scandinavian ***** boy before I ***** slap you into kingdom come

seriously krisblaze your ugly ass don't even register my attention yet time and time again your annoying little insult come after my post. if you like getting your ass kicked while gettin your face shove down the toilet, just say so.

Originally posted by MrMind
yeah your cuck country should've taken more rapefugees from africa, you'd be happy seeing your women getting raped by bbc

lol at you eurocucks getting slowly taken over by muslims and other minorities lmao

Originally posted by MrMind
hop on a plane just to slap your *** face?
or go to your shit hole socialist country that's infested by feminism?
no thank you, I'll save my hard earned dollars a trip to thailand and their prostitutes

surfer can create fire to burn someone nobody is arguing against that, but he has not use that tactic ever in a battle

Any more of that and you'll be banned. That kind of talk is disgusting.

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Also, Kris, stop being a dumbass.

I want to say something but I know for a FACT it's going to turn around on me. I'm disgusted as well Pr. Great people think and feel the same emotions.

I was actually going to say that talk was despicable but then I seentded Derver's post. Great minds.

Well, this escalated quickly.

Wait, wait, wait. Is MM actually 'weak' to fire aka it will kill him despite his nigh-invulnerability OR does he just have an irrational fear of fire and he freaks out around it (allowing opponents to take advantage of his irrational fear)?

One of his most threatening foes is a guy who shoots fire from his nipples.

https://ultraboy8888.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tec_274_005.png

I hope this answers your question.

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All kidding aside, it depends. It's kind of like kryptonite, you can argue on high-ends and it seems like nothing, or on average, where it's pretty debilitating.

that must be the same human flame who had his powers amped and was taking on firestorm and green lantern in that weird aftermath series, run!? if so, that is....awesome. that was the guy who ultimately KILLED jonn in final crisis, right? that guy was bad. a$$.

Fire Nipple is Yuga Khan's father.

He's one of the most powerful beings in DC Comics.

Originally posted by leonidas
that must be the same human flame who had his powers amped and was taking on firestorm and green lantern in that weird aftermath series, run!? if so, that is....awesome. that was the guy who ultimately KILLED jonn in final crisis, right? that guy was bad. a$$. Libra, Effigy, and Dr Light killed MM. Human Flame just filmed it like a pervert iirc.

Originally posted by MrMind
surfer purposely create fire to burn someone in a battle?

shut the fuk up you ugly long hair skinny scandinavian ***** boy before I ***** slap you into kingdom come

seriously krisblaze your ugly ass don't even register my attention yet time and time again your annoying little insult come after my post. if you like getting your ass kicked while gettin your face shove down the toilet, just say so. Originally posted by MrMind
yeah your cuck country should've taken more rapefugees from africa, you'd be happy seeing your women getting raped by bbc

lol at you eurocucks getting slowly taken over by muslims and other minorities lmao Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/jamar1_zpsofas9kya.gif

It's always nice to see that the flames still exist on this forum.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gotta say, I don't remember you acting like that, MrMind.

It's entertaining. Keep it up

I actually wonder if it's some April Fool's setup, but maybe he snapped.

Fire definitely affected Mr.Mind.

Lol Mr Mind cracked. Threats in PMs

Seriously? Threats via PM?

More like MrLosthisMind amirite?

He threatened krisblaze via PM?

Originally posted by NemeBro
He threatened krisblaze via PM?

No, the kris thing happened here in this very thread. So PMs were probably sent to others.

Relatively recently, he just stopped discussing this boring Beyonder/Molecule Man subject and went on the childish rampage.

The PMs were sent to me, I don't know if he sent them to others as well.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The PMs were sent to me, I don't know if he sent them to others as well.

Ah, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

This thread is hardly the first appearance of "Nu-Mind", it's been going on for a while.

Out of curiosity, what did he say?

Going to kill me and rape my mom or something.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Going to kill me and rape my mom or something.

Internet tough guy at his best

I wonder what happened in his life that made him able to reach his final form.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Going to kill me and rape my mom or something. pls post or pm

Originally posted by krisblaze
Going to kill me and rape my mom or something. And what did you respond?

geezus.... just when you thought it was safe to go in the forum.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Libra, Effigy, and Dr Light killed MM. Human Flame just filmed it like a pervert iirc.

ah, that's right. flame made the wish though that was responsible for the society killing him, right...?

i remember requiem and thinking it was well done. then...he just gets resurrected. not even sure why they bother killing off characters in the first place.

Funnily enough, Martian Manhunter's greatest strength feat came when he was on fire:
https://imgur.com/a/Hv3yS

Even if Superman supplied 90% of the strength, that still leaves planetary+ level strength for J'onn, considering the sheer size of the ship.

Originally posted by psycho gundam


I knew I liked him...

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