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Which ft is more impressive and more impressive for the character and why?

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Your face is more impressive Carver.

No homo.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Your face is more impressive Carver.

No homo. Would you say that carver's face has a very high binding energy, like a moon, or very low, like an asteroid, and can be split into pieces?

How would his face react when you slap your dick onto it, is what I'm getting at. You might even get some help from a dick-magnet, for extra velocity.

Something would explode alright. This thread is all about explosions you see.

superman no contest. i did the calcs on this somewhere and its 800x planet busting.

In all seriousness.

Superman's feat is so much more impressive.

Hulk.

He needed tech to reach it, but at least he wasn't sleeping like a baby after the job.

Originally posted by ghostman
superman no contest. i did the calcs on this somewhere and its 800x planet busting.


Could you pull that up or replicate it?

https://screwattack.roosterteeth.com/post/51230559 The user here calc'd the shadow moon feat to be 735x earth busting, a very similar figure to yours.

which one is more impressive

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/4042777-6585169108-Super.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3vebiYE.jpg

Plus, that moon is magical....many people like to talk about his magical weakness, so him doing that is pretty impressive.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, that moon is magical....many people like to talk about his magical weakness, so him doing that is pretty impressive.

Stop. Just stop.

In this case, I think the Asteroid would be so much bigger, and Hulk did it with such a greater ease, that he gets the nod.

Wasn't that thing said to be twce the size of earth?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Wasn't that thing said to be twce the size of earth?

Yes.

https://tinyurl.com/yavh9ht2

And Hulk was perfectly conscious after crashing it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Could you pull that up or replicate it?

https://screwattack.roosterteeth.com/post/51230559 The user here calc'd the shadow moon feat to be 735x earth busting, a very similar figure to yours.

actually i was wrong, i got the same figures.. must have forgotten.

but yeah, no matter how you slice it, its in the multi hundreds planet busting range.

Wonder if the writer intended for those calculation to apply to the showing?

It's irrelevant unless he says otherwise. (Which he can't because he passed away years ago).

You can't infer writer's intent as you can speculate either way.

The text however does imply that it's disastrous for the solar system having the shadow moon enter in its space.

Carver is mad as phuck right now.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Carver is mad as phuck right now.

I am. Can you hear it through these words that I am typing? Rrrrrraaaahhh.

Originally posted by carver9
I am. Can you hear it through these words that I am typing? Rrrrrraaaahhh.

You sexy beast, you.

Flex more for us.

It was a striking feat, not a lifting one. In which flight played a big part, to be fair.

Sure, it does make it messy. Then you have that old intent on having Superman subconsiously rely on his tactile tk to fly, lift things and keep them in one piece...

Fixed itvto read strength feats, which is what i meant, thanks.

Hulk also wasn't being flung borderline light speed at the thing, he had to smash it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hulk also wasn't being flung borderline light speed at the thing, he had to smash it.



He was given a gun to pulverize the asteroid (which he ditched prior to taking off), it wasn't plan A to have him "rhino" through it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hulk also wasn't being flung borderline light speed at the thing, he had to smash it.

Depending on how far away the meteor was, it definitely would have been relativistic at the very least.

Light would take a little over 1 second to reach the moon for example.

Actually Superman totally disintegrated the shadow moon to the point it was no danger to the solar system.

That's astronomically more difficult than to just pulverize it into smaller parts.

No, he shattered it.

Fragments dissipated on their own.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually Superman totally disintegrated the shadow moon. Originally posted by carver9
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3273405-6596003900-14291.jpg "and the fragments of the shadow moon are fading away"

You fool. Superman was snoring so loud, he was disintegrating those fragments!!!!!!!!

SUPERMAN IS ONE TRUE INDIAN GOD

Originally posted by Parmaniac
"and the fragments of the shadow moon are fading away"
Shadow Thief's constructs didn't fade away in the story when broken. It was the force of the impact which would have made the fragments dissipate away.

It's clearly fading away.

I think the Superman feat is dumb as ****, but if you're asking which one created the biggest bang, probably the Superman one still.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shadow Thief's constructs didn't fade away in the story when broken. It was the force of the impact which would have made the fragments dissipate away. Oh really?

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-of-America-2006/Issue-30?id=27430

show me where all those shadowy pieces are laying on the ground after being destroyed. There is literally no dead shadow shown anywhere, neither are the shattered pieces of Shadow Thief's suit still there when he's on his knees.

You're not just lying, what you're claiming makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. Supes shatters the moon and is already koed and GL is next to him and the pieces are STILL disintegrating from the force of the impact? el oh el

I love how hulk fans bring out the best hulk feat there is,

to compare not even superman's top 15 feat

and still did not come up on top

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Oh really?

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-of-America-2006/Issue-30?id=27430

show me where all those shadowy pieces are laying on the ground after being destroyed. There is literally no dead shadow shown anywhere, neither are the shattered pieces of Shadow Thief's suit still there when he's on his knees.

You're not just lying, what you're claiming makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. Supes shatters the moon and is already koed and GL is next to him and the pieces are STILL disintegrating from the force of the impact? el oh el

Lol... I just recognized your sig. Hilarious!!!!

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Oh really?

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-of-America-2006/Issue-30?id=27430

show me where all those shadowy pieces are laying on the ground after being destroyed. There is literally no dead shadow shown anywhere, neither are the shattered pieces of Shadow Thief's suit still there when he's on his knees.

You're not just lying, what you're claiming makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. Supes shatters the moon and is already koed and GL is next to him and the pieces are STILL disintegrating from the force of the impact? el oh el
That was because Dr Light destroyed those shadows.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EAKOF9e8KRA/VuJueiQRKuI/AAAAAAAAJCw/udN2Y30rfycAickp86mFvwe3---CvuSaACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

None of those just fade away when destroyed.

And the moon was moving at a very high speed and would've destroyed earth casually. Not even Zatanna had the power to do anything to it and entire JLA+Syndicate were weaker by a thousand orders to do anything about it.

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Not to mention, characters like Wonder Woman, John Stewart, Flash and Icon were struggling with his human sized shadows.

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What it shows that Superman is a thousand orders more powerful than the likes of Wonder Woman, John Stewart, Icon, Firestorm, Flash and Zatanna put together.

And Zatanna has warped the real moon while in a coma.

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I knew you would grab that straw, she was reffering to Wonder Woman's and Flash's shadows which were still alive, the rest is shown in the very moment of destruction.

You can see that because the shadows Dr. Light destroys are actually standing.

Your claim is abslutely ridiculous.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I knew you would grab that straw, she was reffering to Wonder Woman's and Flash's shadows which were still alive, the rest is shown in the very moment of destruction.

You can see that because the shadows Dr. Light destroys are actually standing.

Your claim is abslutely ridiculous.
There were more than two shadows in the panel.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
There were more than two shadows in the panel.
Yes Vixen's, Black Canary's and Twilight's shadows were also intact to that point.

SUPERMAN CREATED A COSMIC TSUNAMI EFFECT LIKE GOKU AND BEERUS

SUPERMAN IS GOD

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yes Vixen's, Black Canary's and Twilight's shadows were also intact to that point.
Uh-huh.

https://s8.postimg.cc/ujjvopc01/RCO019.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/oim6rmx3l/RCO020.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/br80l4v1d/RCO021.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/4b8qzcf1t/RCO022.jpg

His new shadow suit (which provided him the power to control people's shadows) repairs itself when Flash destroys it.

I wonder where'd that come from.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh.

https://s8.postimg.cc/ujjvopc01/RCO019.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/oim6rmx3l/RCO020.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/br80l4v1d/RCO021.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/4b8qzcf1t/RCO022.jpg

His new shadow suit (which provided him the power to control people's shadows) repairs itself when Flash destroys it.

I wonder where'd that come from. @ bringing up entirely different comics now, you've lost man clearly and this is getting pathetic really.

Let me sum up:

Abhi's claim: Destroyed shadows don't disappear, even though not a single shard or dead shadow is shown the entire time. They're either alive or non existant. And the remains of the moon were destroyed because of the force of Superman's impact. Eventhough that makes even less sense since the impact already happened, Supes was floating in space knocked the **** out and a GL had the time to take a look at him, BUT it was STILL the force of the impact that made the remains dissolve. Sure thing That's like me throwing you out of a window watching you hit the ground along with all the glass and then go down check if you're ok and actually expect the glass that is laying on the ground (without getting any kinetic energy anymore) to keep on shattering and cracking.

And after he ran out of excuses he brings up scans from an entirely different comic that not only are irrelevant since it was shown that physical force can very well destroy these extra shadows (Hawkgirl) in the comic that is being discussed but would also contradict with the outcome of the comic being discussed, because then the moon would have reformed aswell, if like you're saying the suit repairs the damage. Also the Shadow Thief's suit in the relevant comic did in fact not reform or repair itself like in the irrelevant straw you try to grab eventhough ST was still concouis and even talked and still had parts of his suit on his body, yet no reform no nothing.

Whatever you're trying to pull, it's not working.

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Literally arguing shadows. Wow.

I don't think I've ever seen Parm argue outside Piderman centered threads. Kind of hot.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
@ bringing up entirely different comics now, you've lost man clearly and this is getting pathetic really.

If it's relevant, why not?

Shadow Thief's shadow constructs don't follow the kind of rules you'd want them to follow.

They were not shown once Dr Light destroyed them. Otherwise they were perfectly capable of reconstruction of their previous shape as shown in the above scans.

You going "Ah, another comic, that doesn't counts" is just amusing on so levels.
Because nth metal disrupts such kinds of forces. That's why Hawkman is so effective against Shadow Thief and even Captain Marvel couldn't beat the shadow constructs of Shadow Thief.

You have basically no idea about these characters, do you?

The force of the impact dissipated the moon completely. It's how vaporization works my dear friend.





The sheer ignorance here is just laughable.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I don't think I've ever seen Parm argue outside Piderman centered threads. Kind of hot.

Everyone is tired of abhi's bullshit at this point.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That's like me throwing you out of a window watching you hit the ground along with all the glass and then go down check if you're ok and actually expect the glass that is laying on the ground (without getting any kinetic energy anymore) to keep on shattering and cracking.

He still doesn't get it, just do it and throw him out.

He's survived 63425 bada-bans, he'll survive the fall.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They were not shown once Dr Light destroyed them. Otherwise they were perfectly capable of reconstruction of their previous shape as shown in the above scans. If that was true for those constructs why did the moon not reform?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The force of the impact dissipated the moon completely. It's how vaporization works my dear friend. Except it didn't you have the on panel evidence right there: Supes is out cold and parts of the moon are still floating in space and slowly fading away as GL comments, it is outright impossible that this still happens because of Superman's collision.

Your original statement:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Shadow Thief's constructs didn't fade away in the story when broken. It was the force of the impact which would have made the fragments dissipate away. Clearly ****ing not, this is not even something to have an opinion on, you are flat out wrong.
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39083328_9685089.jpg

Love the sig

Originally posted by Parmaniac
If that was true for those constructs why did the moon not reform?

Because the moon was completely obliterated.


Yes, fragments of the moon which can happen in any collision of such kind and even they were evaporated by the impact sometimes later.

This wasn't just "shadow" which would dissipate in the sun. Otherwise it wouldn't even exist. It was solid mass which was evaporated in the collision.



What's your point? That a small part of the shadow moon survived the collision? Or the entire moon did?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Everyone is tired of abhi's bullshit at this point.



He still doesn't get it, just do it and throw him out.

He's survived 63425 bada-bans, he'll survive the fall.
ermm

Never try to be tough, it doesn't suits you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Never try to be tough, it doesn't suits you.

byOw4AYd7-8

Moon feat is more impressive as it isnt a shared feat.

Lol at shadows


Fuk u Parm 😠

Lol at stilt being tough

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
byOw4AYd7-8 crylaugh

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Moon feat is more impressive as it isnt a shared feat.

Lol at shadows


Fuk u Parm 😠

Lol at stilt being tough

What's the difference between Hulk using springs (that melted when he reached Earths orbit) and Superman flying at light speed at a moon?

Consider the density of an asteroid that size compared to the Moon.

Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between Hulk using springs (that melted when he reached Earths orbit) and Superman flying at light speed at a moon?

Well, he didn't do it under his own power.

But he wasn't even dazed after getting the job done, while Clark was knocked the f*ck out and having wet dreams about abhi.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
byOw4AYd7-8

oh god

They're Tamil. You don't even know if that's applicable to Abhi, save for the colour.

Why does every single argument against Abhi descend into race jokes? Are you guys so sh1tty in your comic knowledge that it has to come to this?

Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between Hulk using springs (that melted when he reached Earths orbit) and Superman flying at light speed at a moon?

Going lightspeed is pretty impressive? When Quicksilver (one of the most famous speedsters in Marvel) does it, it's a Big Thing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're Tamil. You don't even know if that's applicable to Abhi, save for the colour.

Why does every single argument against Abhi descend into race jokes? Are you guys so sh1tty in your comic knowledge that it has to come to this?
Being racist is funny apparently.

I'll post a link to a calc of Hulk's asteroid feat later when I get home.

Spoiler: Its lower than the shadow moon feat. By quite a bit.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Consider the density of an asteroid that size compared to the Moon.

The Moon is also magical, btw. Something that Supey is specifically weak too.

Assuming there was strength involved in both feats:

Speed: Superman is more impressive.
Strength: Hulk is more impressive.
Durability: Superman is more impressive.

Speed as he's notably faster. Strength goes to Hulk as it's obviously bigger. Durability as Superman is smashing into something at lightspeed, against something he can actually be harmed by.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're Tamil. You don't even know if that's applicable to Abhi, save for the colour.

Why does every single argument against Abhi descend into race jokes? Are you guys so sh1tty in your comic knowledge that it has to come to this?

Well said

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Going lightspeed is pretty impressive? When Quicksilver (one of the most famous speedsters in Marvel) does it, it's a Big Thing.

My post wasnt a bash at him going shy under the speed of light. It was a comparison of the springs vs Superman flight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're Tamil. You don't even know if that's applicable to Abhi, save for the colour.

Why does every single argument against Abhi descend into race jokes? Are you guys so sh1tty in your comic knowledge that it has to come to this?


Blame Abhi for not being a respectable asian, like the Japanese or Chinese.

Seriously though, Stilt's asian, isn't he? (I know not what). As someone who roomed with Indians, they had this pretty open rivalry with other cultures.. Whenever a Nintendo or Playstation commercial came on, I'd get Kumaran going by pointing and saying" "CHECK IT OUT. MUST BE A PC GAME!" And he'd ooh and ahh, until the "Sony" logo came up, and he'd just sputter "F'n Playstation.."

And no, it wasn't a PC master race thing, his emails to friends (Which he didn't mind me catching glimpses of, or read aloud sometimes) made that very clear..

Stilt is from poland

Originally posted by cdtm
Seriously though, Stilt's asian, isn't he?

...

https://tinyurl.com/yayul7fv

How fast was the shadow moon moving?

you guys are so nerds, at this point your genes are already altered, you can be white and your babies will come out asian, so RIP

Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between Hulk using springs (that melted when he reached Earths orbit) and Superman flying at light speed at a moon? I guess the main difference is that one is under the character's own power, and the other is Hulk receiving an outside boost to his velocity to increase his striking force.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I guess the main difference is that one is under the character's own power, and the other is Hulk receiving an outside boost to his velocity to increase his striking force.

Flying into something at light doesnt increase a person striking?

Originally posted by carver9
Flying into something at light doesnt increase a person striking? Yes, but the difference is that Superman can achieve relativistic velocities to achieve the force on his own.

Hulk needed a little bit of outside help to do so.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes, but the difference is that Superman can achieve relativistic velocities to achieve the force on his own.

Hulk needed a little bit of outside help to do so.

So the showing isnt a pure strength ft?

Originally posted by carver9
So the showing isnt a pure strength ft? Your own OP doesn't ask which feat requires greater strength, dumby dumb dumb. It asks, and I quote : "Which ft is more impressive and more impressive for the character and why?"

The feat that is more impressive and more impressive is the one from Superman, since it's done under his own power, and requires a much greater striking power.

Originally posted by carver9
So the showing isnt a pure strength ft? Neither showing is representative of either hero's striking strength while standing in one place if that is what you mean, no.

But as Phil just said, that isn't really the question you asked, is it?

Superman's feat is more impressive. The striking power was quantifiably superior, and most importantly, he did it alone and unaided, unlike Hulk.

My question to Nemebro jsnt in comparison of both fts, I just wanted to know his answer.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Neither showing is representative of either hero's striking strength while standing in one place if that is what you mean, no.

But as Phil just said, that isn't really the question you asked, is it?

Superman's feat is more impressive. The striking power was quantifiably superior, and most importantly, he did it alone and unaided, unlike Hulk.

Plus....it's made of pure magic. That's gotta count for something.

I'd like to see a reputable Hulk fan like Carver do the calcs on the Hulk feat just for shits and gigs. Seems like a pretty neato feat that outdoes almost every other Hulk feat on paper anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
How fast was the shadow moon moving?

7,614,000 km per hour

Close to 1% of lightspeed.

Where was it said to be magic? Superman handled the constructs just fine without a scratch.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
...

https://tinyurl.com/yayul7fv

Oooooh...

*Pops open a beer.... and two more*. I need this now..

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Stilt is from poland

Is he really from Poland? You're not messing with me?

Why did I think he was from.. you know what, never mind, I already embarrassed Stilt playing the stereotype of a dumb Pollack enough in this thread (Well, half Polish, half Italian.. . )

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because the moon was completely obliterated.


Yes, fragments of the moon which can happen in any collision of such kind and even they were evaporated by the impact sometimes later.

This wasn't just "shadow" which would dissipate in the sun. Otherwise it wouldn't even exist. It was solid mass which was evaporated in the collision.



What's your point? That a small part of the shadow moon survived the collision? Or the entire moon did?

This makes alot of sense. The shadow moon wasn't alive, there was no conscience that was preventing it from fading away before superman destroyed it. So it should have just faded away on its own.
Since that didn't happen it had to be the force of the impact.

It couldn't hold its form once it got shattered.

"Force of the impact" did its job, but the fragments survived and were still around, John was watching them dissipating as he was attending to napping Kent...

That's no disintegration feat, no matter how much you wank it.

Yep. Seem desperate at this point.

The numbers don't lie!

Why does h1 have wildly different numbers than that super autist in the link?

I wish the other guy was here too just to **** with H1's calculations.

Imagine a Battlezone between both.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I wish the other guy was here too just to **** with H1's calculations.

Imagine a Battlezone between both.

Entire forum already bullied him in Movie Versus...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Could you pull that up or replicate it?

https://screwattack.roosterteeth.com/post/51230559 The user here calc'd the shadow moon feat to be 735x earth busting, a very similar figure to yours.

Ah, same number as me then. Seems that I might also be autistic.

Probably, but some of the stuff in there is too much. There's literal pixel scaling being used to find an exact distance and therefore the energy required to do said feat.

Not a rough estimate of size... pixel scaling to find the megatons.

Next level stuff.

Pixel scaling is standard for calcs across the net.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Pixel scaling is standard for calcs across the net. Comics are handrawn art and almost never to scale of anything.

Not only that, but there's no point of reference for where the Earth went or where it needed to go in that inconsistent art where a flash of light from the heroes was country sized even though they weren't glowing. What exactly were they scaling off of?

I also found Endless Mike's Mageddon calculations too... it's a doozy. Holy shit is it ever.

It just seems too much for comics.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I'd like to see a reputable Hulk fan like Carver do the calcs on the Hulk feat just for shits and gigs. Seems like a pretty neato feat that outdoes almost every other Hulk feat on paper anyway. It really does. That anti-magnetic belt would give Magneto a run for his money, since it not only propelled Hulk hard enough to shatter that asteroid, but he continued flying through on nowhere-avenue. The aliens picked him up from way off in outer space.

http://tinypic.com/r/122f1qb/9
http://tinypic.com/r/30cmziv/9

The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.

Originally posted by MrMind
which one is more impressive

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/4042777-6585169108-Super.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3vebiYE.jpg

So, is it bad form to start an argument with someone who's temp banned?

I totally agree with his obvious choice, but this is a rare opportunity for me to have the last word..

Bullet Hulk

I'm kind of curious if writers would give him more planetary levels challenges in comics if he could fly around in space. He's kind of limited and he's pretty much exhausted all he can do on Earth. I think they'd play up the "strongest one there is" with a lot more of that and Carver would go ballistic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.

It's the same thing as a fastball special. Do you credit Wolverine, or the guy chucking him? Could Wolverine not be an inanimate adamantium rod?

He absolutely could. Or put another way, nobody says a bullet is 'strong', it's all about the gun firing it.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Bullet Hulk

I'm kind of curious if writers would give him more planetary levels challenges in comics if he could fly around in space. He's kind of limited and he's pretty much exhausted all he can do on Earth. I think they'd play up the "strongest one there is" with a lot more of that and Carver would go ballistic.

Marvel's never been one to shy away from the hyperbole.

DC has its fair share, too, but how often do you head about a DC B list guy casually rip apart a star like Smart Drax did, or Thanos busting a planet a few issues later. I mean, they're not key moments or events, they just get thrown out there. Or used to.

Got to wonder if that's because DC enacted a post crisis policy actively discouraging cheese for the sake of cheese, and Marvel knew that and responded by upping the nerd bait.

Originally posted by cdtm
Marvel's never been one to shy away from the hyperbole.

DC has its fair share, too, but how often do you head about a DC B list guy casually rip apart a star like Smart Drax did, or Thanos busting a planet a few issues later. I mean, they're not key moments or events, they just get thrown out there. Or used to.

Got to wonder if that's because DC enacted a post crisis policy actively discouraging cheese for the sake of cheese, and Marvel knew that and responded by upping the nerd bait. It's because DC's space-cheese was capped editorially post-COIE, given the "Superboy moves galaxies casually" PTSD that took place prior to that. Some writers snuck stuff in there, but generally, that's how it was. A quick example from memory is Cosmic Odyssey, where John Stewart was shielding from planet exploding and a supernova in succession, and stuff like that.

Somewhere around 2000, they started going full crazy, too. I think it started with Morrison, where Kyle was containing supernovas as a rookie, and Wally was outracing the Universe/Death in the Flash title and Superman absorbed a bomb of anti-sunlight which was about to wipe out half a galaxy. Once they moved that curtain, rookie GLs started going into black holes, Superman was taking 50 supernovas to the face and containing black holes in his hand, then moved on to lifting infinite weights and hearing the Multiverse's vibrations/erasing Darkseid by singing. The less said about Prime retconning people by punching, the better. Or re-arraging the Universe by physically moving stuff. And they never stopped, Superman started bench-pressing the Earth for 5 days, stopping Brainiac's multi-planet sized ship, going through black holes like he's jumping in the pool in his way to travel the Universe etc.

This, of course, also depends on the writer. Put Jurgens in any era, on any title, in any company, and you'll see similar powerlevels. Put Greg Pak, and it'll be the same, but on opposite ends. But, generally, that's how it evolved.

True, writers have different play books. I think Starlin got a pass to do his own editing after the mega blockbuster Infinity Gauntlet, so he's something of an exception. But as you say, look at Jurgen's vs Casey.

Or check out Byrne. People who think Byrne downplayed Superman hasn't read his other stuff. I still get a laugh out of Namor being taken down by common tree loggers, and Doctor Doom standing on a ship like some deranged pirate, ranting about conquest from overfishing the oceans.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.
Yeah but if we use the forum prominent logic then we have to also note that there's a swing of the arm involved. If you point to someone like Supes pushing a planet or other crazy heavy thing with outstretched arms and claim that it's a flight feat, people will chime in and say that in order to keep his arms strait out like that his arms have to be able to handle the weight even without flight(even though arms that are outstreched/locked can handle more weight than one is generally capable of lifting). By the same token, since Hulk's arm wasn't pushed back by the impact causing him to plow through the thing face first, his arm has to be strong enough to generate enough power to shatter the asteroid even without the belt. After all, if someone straps you to the front of a train and then drives into a brick wall, you have to be strong enough to shatter the wall yourself if it explodes on contact with your fist before your body reaches it. Now if your fist does nothing to the wall and it's shattered when your body plows through it, THEN it's a pure durability feat.

Or be durable enough to just smash through without your arms buckling....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or be durable enough to just smash through without your arms buckling....
Yes but he's not actually invulnerable like Supes and didn't plow through it with arms outstretched like Supes did, he actually threw a punch. Again, I'm simply using the prevalent logic on the forum. If a flier pushes the moon or something, people say that his arms have to be strong enough to handle the weight to do so without buckling, the same applies to Hulk.

Originally posted by cdtm
True, writers have different play books. I think Starlin got a pass to do his own editing after the mega blockbuster Infinity Gauntlet, so he's something of an exception. But as you say, look at Jurgen's vs Casey.

Or check out Byrne. People who think Byrne downplayed Superman hasn't read his other stuff. I still get a laugh out of Namor being taken down by common tree loggers, and Doctor Doom standing on a ship like some deranged pirate, ranting about conquest from overfishing the oceans. Yeah, it's the disadvantage of comparing characters under one writer, to characters from another, who each have different opinions on what high-powered character can, and cannot do. And it's hard to parse them out, for every thread. Dan Jurgens' King Thor was nothing to write home about, for one, in terms of space cheese. In a vacuum, he'd get his ass beat in a feat war with many.

Say, you want to have a Thor/Glads thread, so your starting argument is basing it on Aaron Thor vs Claremont Gladiator. "le featz!!" are obviously in Thor's favor, but based on relative portrayals, they don't look all that different, quite the contrary, when looking at Jane vs Gladiator and such.

Actually I remembered wrong. From the look of it Hulk did in fact fly into the asteroid with fists outstretched rather than throwing a punch so my bad on that one.

Still, if people moving celestial bodies and other such things with arms outstretched while flying is considered a strength feat due to their arms not buckling then the same should apply to Hulk. Otherwise there are virtually no strength feats for anyone in flight other than throwing things, only flight+durability feats.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Claremont Glads was a joke though. Claremont probably would have had Thor decapitate him with a karate chop. Weird how the creator of a character makes him the weakest out of any other writer but it happened.

Not that that goes against your point, just saying. One of the biggest reason's Glads is treated like such a joke is because of Claremont. You wipe out those showings and he just becomes your average character with some lows.

From what I understand, Claremont and Byrne hated each-other. Byrne had an inferiority complex from being associated with being the 'Robin' to his 'Batman', and Claremont saw that, so he b*tched him every time he could.

Thank god that didn't spill onto Iron Fist. It's Claremont who had him "made" as a character, and Byrne who resurrected him. Treated the character respectfully.