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Same circumstances as Thor Dark world 2

*Zod has to backhand Mjolnir
*Can Zod replicate it based on feats?

Doubtful.

No way.

I don't think so

A returning Mjolnir??? Perhaps. I think he could should he do it right.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A returning Mjolnir??? Perhaps. I think he could should he do it right. Based on?

All we really know is Kurse is way way stronger than Thor or Hulk.

Is Zod way way stronger than Thor or Hulk? Lol, no probably not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on?

Because a returning Mjolnir has no feats. Also, we saw Kurse struggling to lift up a rock which am pretty sure Zod could lift up with less trouble.

In that aspect Hulk, Thanos and many other beings could deflect a returning mjonlir.

Originally posted by Surtur
All we really know is Kurse is way way stronger than Thor or Hulk.

Is Zod way way stronger than Thor or Hulk? Lol, no probably not.

Kurse isn't stronger than Hulk.

And Thor isn't on Hulk's level of strength either.

Originally posted by Surtur
All we really know is Kurse is way way stronger than Thor or Hulk.

Is Zod way way stronger than Thor or Hulk? Lol, no probably not.



Exactly. Powerscaling with other characters matters. Not just lifting and throwing feats.

We never even saw Kurse around skyscrapers lol

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Kurse isn't stronger than Hulk.




Did Hulk ever Swat away Mjolnir and beat on Thor the way Kurse did? Nope.

Originally posted by Surtur
All we really know is Kurse is way way stronger than Thor or Hulk.

Is Zod way way stronger than Thor or Hulk? Lol, no probably not.

Why is Kurse way way stronger than Thor? Is it because of his boulder feat? If not then what's the basis?

And how do you compare strength of characters from different universes? By feats? Which feats should you compare for Zod and Kurse?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Exactly. Powerscaling with other characters matters. Not just lifting and throwing feats.

We never even saw Kurse around skyscrapers lol




Did Hulk ever Swat away Mjolnir and beat on Thor the way Kurse did? Nope.
You can't power scale with characters in different universes. Zod hasn't fought any character connected to Thor or Kurse. We must rely on feats of strength.

Originally posted by Darth Thor


Did Hulk ever Swat away Mjolnir and beat on Thor the way Kurse did? Nope.

Did Hulk ever tried deflecting a returning Mjolnir? No.

Fighting skills isnt equal to strength.

My turn, did Mjolnir ever stopped a Leviathan?

Originally posted by h1a8
Why is Kurse way way stronger than Thor? Is it because of his boulder feat? If not then what's the basis?

And how do you compare strength of characters from different universes? By feats? Which feats should you compare for Zod and Kurse?


You powerscale with beings from the same Universe and the feats they have. So Thanos is not featless in strength because he never lifted a Skyscraper. He physically overpowered Hulk pretty easily, meaning he could repeat the Leviathan punch much easier than Hulk could.

That is basic forum debating. You cant debate on lifting feats alone without powerscaling, that would be nonsensical.


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Did Hulk ever tried deflecting a returning Mjolnir? No.

Fighting skills isnt equal to strength.

My turn, did Mjolnir ever stopped a Leviathan?


What?

Kurse performed miles better against Thor and Mjolnir than Hulk ever did it ever could. Miles better.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Because a returning Mjolnir has no feats. Also, we saw Kurse struggling to lift up a rock which am pretty sure Zod could lift up with less trouble.

In that aspect Hulk, Thanos and many other beings could deflect a returning mjonlir. He did not struggle. He did so casually. To do what he did to Thor required super strength.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Kurse isn't stronger than Hulk.

And Thor isn't on Hulk's level of strength either.

Hulk tried to lift the hammer and failed.

Kurse swats it away like it's a little b*tch.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hulk tried to lift the hammer and failed.

Kurse swats it away like it's a little b*tch.

That's assuming the prevent from lifting up enchantment is the same as prevent from returning enchantment (if that exists).

Do you think Kurse can lift the hammer?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You powerscale with beings from the same Universe and the feats they have. So Thanos is not featless in strength because he never lifted a Skyscraper. He physically overpowered Hulk pretty easily, meaning he could repeat the Leviathan punch much easier than Hulk could.

That is basic forum debating. You cant debate on lifting feats alone without powerscaling, that would be nonsensical.





What?

Kurse performed miles better against Thor and Mjolnir than Hulk ever did it ever could. Miles better.

And yet that has NOTHING to do with strength.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hulk tried to lift the hammer and failed.

Kurse swats it away like it's a little b*tch.

Agree. Doesnt make him stronger than Hulk or other MCU characters.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hulk tried to lift the hammer and failed.

Kurse swats it away like it's a little b*tch.

I dont remember Kurse lifting Mjolnir. And am sure you realize that lifting =/= deflecting a flying object.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's assuming the prevent from lifting up enchantment is the same as prevent from returning enchantment (if that exists).

Do you think Kurse can lift the hammer?

Here's the key difference:

When Thor threw his hammer at Hulk, the force of the throw was so powerful, that when he grabbed it, Hulk was completely taken off his feet and floored.

When Thor threw his hammer at Kurse, he casually knocked it away.

Based on these interactions, if Hulk had tried to swat away Mjolnir, imho, he would have broken some fingers and got plowed into the ground.

Now we've seen Hulk vs. Thor in an extended fight in Ragnarok, it's pretty clear that Kurse is much stronger, more durable, and skilled than Hulk. He'd beat the utter shit out of him. Ragnarok didn't really change much though. Hulk vs. Thor is competitive even in h2h but Hulk is favored. Once an external factor like Mjolnir comes into play, Thor starts knocking him around. Or in the case of Ragnarok, his lightning powers.

We just have better CGI and an extended fight scene to confirm our initial hypothesis from Avengers 1. I will say that Thor in Ragnarok moved much faster visually and with more obvious skill than in any other appearance. Even when he was beating up the Shield Agents in Thor 1, demonstrating his great h2h skills, it was a lot less polished.

As for this thread: Zod can't replicate the feat. Let's not be dumb.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here's the key difference:

When Thor threw his hammer at Hulk, the force of the throw was so powerful, that when he grabbed it, Hulk was completely taken off his feet and floored.

When Thor threw his hammer at Kurse, he casually knocked it away.

Based on these interactions, if Hulk had tried to swat away Mjolnir, imho, he would have broken some fingers and got plowed into the ground.

Now we've seen Hulk vs. Thor in an extended fight in Ragnarok, it's pretty clear that Kurse is much stronger, more durable, and skilled than Hulk. He'd beat the utter shit out of him. Ragnarok didn't really change much though. Hulk vs. Thor is competitive even in h2h but Hulk is favored. Once an external factor like Mjolnir comes into play, Thor starts knocking him around. Or in the case of Ragnarok, his lightning powers.

We just have better CGI and an extended fight scene to confirm our initial hypothesis from Avengers 1. I will say that Thor in Ragnarok moved much faster visually and with more obvious skill than in any other appearance. Even when he was beating up the Shield Agents in Thor 1, demonstrating his great h2h skills, it was a lot less polished.

As for this thread: Zod can't replicate the feat. Let's not be dumb.

Thor didn't throw him hammer at Kurse.
Kurse knocked Thor away, not the hammer.

What's your basis for why Zod can't do it, especially given his strength feats are equal or above Kurse's?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Because a returning Mjolnir has no feats. Also, we saw Kurse struggling to lift up a rock which am pretty sure Zod could lift up with less trouble.

In that aspect Hulk, Thanos and many other beings could deflect a returning mjonlir.


In the scene Mjolnir was returning to Thor at full speed. In the same movie Mjolnir "RETURNING" to Thor from space was coming back fast enough to travel from outer space back to earth in seconds.

I just watched the fight again and Kurse wasn't struggling in the least to lift the rock. Lying wont help your point.
Every hit he was hitting Thor with, sent Thor flying.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And yet that has NOTHING to do with strength.



Beating up Thor with fists has nothing to do with strength?

Sure...


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander


I dont remember Kurse lifting Mjolnir. And am sure you realize that lifting =/= deflecting a flying object.


Hulk tried stopping it but was clearly incapable.

Originally posted by Inhuman
In the scene Mjolnir was returning to Thor at full speed. In the same movie Mjolnir "RETURNING" to Thor from space was coming back fast enough to travel from outer space back to earth in seconds.

I just watched the fight again and Kurse wasn't struggling in the least to lift the rock. Lying wont help your point.
Every hit he was hitting Thor with, sent Thor flying.
I agree
I don't think Kurse struggled a lot with the rock since he threw it a good distance.

But Mjolnir wasn't going anywhere as fast as it was when it was in space (average speed). Thor doesn't summon his hammer at great speeds when it a small distance from him.

But that's besides the point. The force Kurse hit Mjolnir implies that he was at least 2x stronger than the force it was coming with. So if we can calculate Kurse's strength from his other feats then we can guesstimate the force needed to swat Mjolnir out of the air when it's returning with that particular speed. There are no other feats by a returning Mjolnir in which to calculate.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Beating up Thor with fists has nothing to do with strength?

Sure...





Hulk tried stopping it but was clearly incapable.

Kurse isnt a brute beast like Hulk. He is actually inteligent and was blocking and countering Thor's attacks.

Kurse didnt beat Thor due to strength!

Nice! We are progressing. Point the scene in Thor DW where Kurse tried to STOP Mjolnir.

Because stopping =/= to deflecting.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Beating up Thor with fists has nothing to do with strength?

Sure...





Hulk tried stopping it but was clearly incapable.
I agree that beating Thor up shows strength. Let's not forget that Hulk made Thor's nose bleed with a single punch.

That was Thor throwing it and not it returning.
Hulk tried to grab it, not stop it. The momentum of Mjolnir was enough to lift Hulk off his feet (overtaking Hulk's weight). He was carried away several feet before it dropped.

Bottomline: Thor throwing Mjolnir vs it returning are two different things. And Hulk tried to wield Mjolnir and not swat it away.

Originally posted by Inhuman
In the scene Mjolnir was returning to Thor at full speed. In the same movie Mjolnir "RETURNING" to Thor from space was coming back fast enough to travel from outer space back to earth in seconds.

I just watched the fight again and Kurse wasn't struggling in the least to lift the rock. Lying wont help your point.
Every hit he was hitting Thor with, sent Thor flying.

You do realize that Mjolnir wasnt flying that fast in the Kurse scene right?

He used both hands and moaned before launching it. Hulk stopped a Leviathan with 1 hand.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You do realize that Mjolnir wasnt flying that fast in the Kurse scene right?

He used both hands and moaned before launching it. Hulk stopped a Leviathan with 1 hand.

Hulk didn't completely stop it.
And frictional force from the ground helped. It was basically a bracing feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk didn't completely stop it.
And frictional force from the ground helped. It was basically a bracing feat.

Am aware of your opinion regarding the Hulk feat.

Yet its still way more impresive than Kurse moaning to throw a rock.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Am aware of your opinion regarding the Hulk feat.

Yet its still way more impresive than Kurse moaning to throw a rock. Maybe. We need to calculate the feats. Opinions don't matter when it comes to which feat required more strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe. We need to calculate the feats. Opinions don't matter when it comes to which feat required more strength.


IOW, you want a chance to low-ball the feats from the characters/side you want to lose.

Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe. We need to calculate the feats. Opinions don't matter when it comes to which feat required more strength.

Hulk was able to stop a leviathan with one hand without struggling. He can definetly lift up a boulder with less trouble. Its logic.

Without struggling? Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Without struggling? Lol

I didnt saw Hulk moaning the way Kurse was.

Really depends how you see the Kursed and the Mjolnir feat.

-If you believe Kurse used nothing except brute strength to swat away Mjolnir, then it's clear he's physically more powerful than Hulk, no questions here

-If you believe Kurse was able to do that or at least in part because the Kursed are essentially anti-Asgardian living weapons (using some of Malekith's words/comments), then the feat lowers from a strength point-of-view

Originally posted by Robtard
Really depends how you see the Kursed and the Mjolnir feat.

-If you believe Kurse used nothing except brute strength to swat away Mjolnir, then it's clear he's physically more powerful than Hulk, no questions here

-If you believe Kurse was able to do that or at least in part because the Kursed are essentially anti-Asgardian living weapons (using some of Malekith's words/comments), then the feat lowers from a strength point-of-view

Interesting! Dark Magic being involved, nice proposition

I forget exactly what Malekith says word for word, but it can lead one to believe that the Kurse are specifically design to take out Asgardians.

I'd have to rewatch Thor:TDW again, but it's my least favorite Thor film so that's not happening anytime soon.

Originally posted by Robtard
I forget exactly what Malekith says word for word, but it can lead one to believe that the Kurse are specifically design to take out Asgardians.

I'd have to rewatch Thor:TDW again, but it's my least favorite Thor film so that's not happening anytime soon.

Ohhhh I know. I dislike the movie. So full of inconsistencies. Thor 1 and Ragnarok are definetly way different than DW.

Can't say I dislike it, as I did get some entertainment from it, but it's definitely on the bottom tier of where I'd ranked the MCU films.

People really need to stop credence to H1's comments...

Hulk did in fact stop the leviathon in the manner in which we're discussing. While Hulk was initially pushed back his feet eventually found footing and he came to a complete stop, then the moment of the leviathan transferred back through it's body; causing it to flip over him.

You can see Hulk come to a stop at around the 00:57 mark:

amVfFRNmDE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVfFRNmDE4

Originally posted by Robtard
People really need to stop credence to H1's comments...

Hulk did in fact stop the leviathon in the manner in which we're discussing. While Hulk was initially pushed back his feet eventually found footing and he came to a complete stop, then the moment of the leviathan transferred back through it's body; causing it to flip over him.

You can see Hulk come to a stop at around the 00:57 mark:

amVfFRNmDE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVfFRNmDE4
"We are" me and the other poster (not you).
The forward momentum wasn't stopped. It was flipping over (forward). The center of gravity was still moving forward.

Second, it was a bracing feat. Hulk attempted to push it at one point of the feat and the push did nothing.

The force needed TO COMPLETELY STOP IT in the distance that it was stopped (started flipping) can be easily calculated. And it isn't a lot.

Nobody believes your made up numbers.

Originally posted by h1a8
"We are" me and the other poster (not you).
The forward momentum wasn't stopped. It was flipping over (forward). The center of gravity was still moving forward.

Second, it was a bracing feat. Hulk attempted to push it at one point of the feat and the push did nothing.

The force needed TO COMPLETELY STOP IT in the distance that it was stopped (started flipping) can be easily calculated. And it isn't a lot.

Wrong. Hulk fully stopped it, the second he stopped moving, why the momentum transferred rearward and why it then flipped tail first over Hulk's now completely prone body.

It's fine if your hate the Hulk as you do, but your low-balling is clownish.

Using F = dp/dt = m*dv/dt = ma, Hulk needed to exert a shit-ton of force.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody believes you're made up numbers.

Then you are free to calculate it yourself.
Make up numbers you think are close to the truth.
We can have a consensus.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then you are free to calculate it yourself.
Make up numbers you think are close to the truth.
We can have a consensus.

I'll just laugh at your sad attmepts to low-ball the feats of characters you don't want to win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll just laugh at your sad attmepts to low-ball the feats of characters you don't want to win. That's what the consensus is about. No lowballing. We all agree to the numbers before calculating.

Mass of leviathan
Time it took the leviathan to start flipping (from Hulk's initial punch).
Approximate speed the leviathan was going before the punch.

Okay, I did the maths, Hulk exerted over 9,000 tons of force to stop the leviathan to the point its momentum transferred and it pivoted over the Hulk tail over head.

Dark World was such a stupid movie. Strength should never factor into picking up or deflecting Mjolnir, and they did that just to give the villain a moment in a sub par fight scene. So stupid.

Anyway, if we're assuming Mjolnir can be redirected through strength (and nothing else I'm missing factored in), and Kurse is the baseline, then yes, Zod can do it without much trouble.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I did the maths, Hulk exerted over 9,000 tons of force to stop the leviathan to the point its momentum transferred and it pivoted over the Hulk tail over head.

The consensus is to agree on the numbers before any calculations are done.

Mass of the leviathan?
Time it took to flip over the leviathan?
Initial speed of the leviathan?

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Dark World was such a stupid movie. Strength should never factor into picking up or deflecting Mjolnir, and they did that just to give the villain a moment in a sub par fight scene. So stupid.

Anyway, if we're assuming Mjolnir can be redirected through strength (and nothing else I'm missing factored in), and Kurse is the baseline, then yes, Zod can do it without much trouble. Mjolnir is deflected all the time in comics. Nothing new. Just as long as one doesn't try to wield it.

Mass of Leviathan: 12,000 tons

Originally posted by h1a8
The consensus is to agree on the numbers before any calculations are done.

Mass of the leviathan?
Time it took to flip over the leviathan?
Initial speed of the leviathan?

20,000 tons
Hulk punched it at 00:52; it's basically vertical at 00:56, using maths that is 4 seconds or less
40-45mph

We must also account for that the leviathan did not only have momentum of P=MV on its side, it was actively being driven forward by whatever it uses to propel it's ultra-large mass through the air, so Hulk had to counter that force too. Think of trying to stop a car that is coasting at 40-45mph, versus stopping one that is actively being driven at 40-45 with the power of its engine.

Ergo, Hulk had to exert a shit-ton of force to counter that and then stop the leviathan causing it to pivot and flip. No matter how you downplay, it's a very impressive feat of both strength and durability, as Hulk's body would have been subject to the forces and counter-forces therein the feat.

Case closed.

Originally posted by Robtard
20,000 tons
Hulk punched it at 00:52; it's basically vertical at 00:56, using maths that is 4 seconds or less
40-45mph

We must also account for that the leviathan did not only have momentum of P=MV on its side, it was actively being driven forward by whatever it uses to propel it's ultra-large mass through the air, so Hulk had to counter that force too. Think of trying to stop a car that is coasting at 40-45mph, versus stopping one that is actively being driven at 40-45 with the power of its engine.

Ergo, Hulk had to exert a shit-ton of force to counter that and then stop the leviathan causing it to pivot and flip. No matter how you downplay, it's a very impressive feat of both strength and durability, as Hulk's body would have been subject to the forces and counter-forces therein the feat.

Case closed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mass of Leviathan: 12,000 tons

20,000 tons? 12,000tons? Stop bullshiting. Let's be serious for a moment.

Lol. A blue whale is 150 tons. It's more fair to say that the leviathan is roughly between 200-350tons. But we can use 500 tons.


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/428967933248611096/

Speed is about 20-35mph.

And the leviathan wasn't stopped at 0:57. So what will we be calculating exactly? I would say the once the leviathan completely flipped over it would have stopped. So at about 1:07 it would have completely stopped. So 15 seconds.

Nope, it's at least 12,000. probably closer to 18,000

Originally posted by Robtard
I forget exactly what Malekith says word for word, but it can lead one to believe that the Kurse are specifically design to take out Asgardians.

I'd have to rewatch Thor:TDW again, but it's my least favorite Thor film so that's not happening anytime soon.

The hammer wasn't even made by the Asgardians though, right? I thought it was made in the same place Thor gets Stormbreaker.

Just so people also know:

In Ragnarok:

Thor: You know that nothing will stop Mjolnir as it returns to my hand. Not even your face.

Essentially proving that there IS an enchantment for the hammer to return to Thor's hand and it is strong enough to plow right through Loki's face (skull and all) as it is (by writer's intent), practically unstoppable.

Originally posted by Surtur
The hammer wasn't even made by the Asgardians though, right? I thought it was made in the same place Thor gets Stormbreaker.

It uses Asgardian magic though for its worthy enchantment.

Anyway there is a lot of unanswered questions.

I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

Originally posted by h1a8

I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.


WTH?!

Originally posted by h1a8
It uses Asgardian magic though for its worthy enchantment.

Anyway there is a lot of unanswered questions.

I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

Of course you do, but you always massively low-ball the other side.

^ Whch is almost always the Marvel side.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

https://i.imgur.com/HFQwzMG.jpg

Yup, h1 hasn't changed one bit. /smh

Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course you do, but you always massively low-ball the other side.

Actually its the opposite.
Marvel bias fans exaggerate and make up shit that don't exist.

Lowballing is using the lowest showings to bring a character down.
So you are using the wrong words.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually its the opposite.
Marvel bias fans exaggerate and make up shit that don't exist.

Lowballing is using the lowest showings to bring a character down.
So you are using the wrong words.

Give examples where "Marvel bias" fans exaggerate and make up shit that don't exist.

Low-balling is also used to describe the act of pretending feats are less impressive than they actually are. A smart person would know that.

Originally posted by h1a8
It uses Asgardian magic though for its worthy enchantment.

Anyway there is a lot of unanswered questions.

I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

Lol, why a steel door?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, why a steel door?

Because he is massively biased.

Pretty sure Mjolnir has punched through steel in Avengers, when Thor calls it to his hand in his fight with Hulk you can hear it crashing through the bulkheads. Which was just careless of Thor, he could have killed people or brought down the whole Helicarrier.

But sure, one of the strongest weapons in the MCU universe and its apparent weakness is a steel door.

Originally posted by Inhuman
https://i.imgur.com/HFQwzMG.jpg

Prove that Mjolnir would go through a steel door on the first attempt when trying to return to Thor on the other side from several feet away. I definitely believe Thor can throw it through one though. But I'm referring to the return.
Are there any return feats?

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty sure Mjolnir has punched through steel in Avengers, when Thor calls it to his hand in his fight with Hulk you can hear it crashing through the bulkheads. Which was just careless of Thor, he could have killed people or brought down the whole Helicarrier.

But sure, one of the strongest weapons in the MCU universe and its apparent weakness is a steel door.
I didn't hear it crashing through bulkheads. It crashed through some suitcases. Idk

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Mjolnir would go through a steel door on the first attempt when trying to return to Thor on the other side from several feet away. I definitely believe Thor can throw it through one though. But I'm referring to the return.
Are there any return feats?

Nice attempt to shift the burden of proof, but Inhuman didn't make a claim.

Now, you still haven't posted examples where "Marvel bias" fans exaggerate and make up shit that don't exist.

Originally posted by h1a8


I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.


this is the most asinine,ludicrous, ignorant statement I've ever saw in my years on here

Not that we have any burden of proof in regards to h1's retarded statement, but I'm bored and making him look ignorant is amusing.

In the very first Thor movie, Mjolnir was shown as able to break the sound barrier while returning to Thor's hand. if anyone thinks that a Mjolnir traveling atleast mach 1 would have trouble with a simple steel door, please respond and say "I agree with h1".

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
this is the most asinine,ludicrous, ignorant statement I've ever saw in my years on here H1 is a waste of time.

H1's silly downplaying of Thor and Mjolnir aside, seems KMC has decided 9 to 4 that Zod can do it, Zod wins.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
this is the most asinine,ludicrous, ignorant statement I've ever saw in my years on here

What evidence do you have that makes the statement asinine?

Originally posted by h1a8
What evidence do you have that makes the statement asinine? Up to you to back your claim. Quit being an idiot.

Originally posted by h1a8
What evidence do you have that makes the statement asinine?


the feats that have been shown in the movies.. you know the movie that you claim you've seen yet we all know you haven't seen a movie in like 80 years...

Mjolnir has been shown to break the sound barrier... The hammer has been shown to return back to Thor i.e. when thor and hulk first fought in avengers, it is clearly heard the hammer breaking through to return to thor..

we get your ignorant and it shows in every damn thread to go into

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Mjolnir would go through a steel door on the first attempt when trying to return to Thor on the other side from several feet away. I definitely believe Thor can throw it through one though. But I'm referring to the return.
Are there any return feats?

You are the one who brought in a steel door into this discussion.
And you keep saying several feet away when that is not the case, but that's irrelevant anyhow.

As far as return feats Silent M. and others have said that the hammer was already breaking the sound barrier in Thor 1. I don't feel like searching around but I know that there are Feats of the hammer going through walls or whatever with little effort coming back to Thor.

But the greatest feat I can think of right now is what I mentioned before, the hammer from outer space returning to Earth in seconds. In order to achieve that it was going much much faster than the speed of sound, and much faster than any human made rocket or vehicle can go.

You are the one who brought up a steel door then there must be a readon, so backup your claim with evidence.

Originally posted by Inhuman
You are the one who brought in a steel door into this discussion.
And you keep saying several feet away when that is not the case, but that's irrelevant anyhow.

As far as return feats Silent M. and others have said that the hammer was already breaking the sound barrier in Thor 1. I don't feel like searching around but I know that there are Feats of the hammer going through walls or whatever with little effort coming back to Thor.

But the greatest feat I can think of right now is what I mentioned before, the hammer from outer space returning to Earth in seconds. In order to achieve that it was going much much faster than the speed of sound, and much faster than any human made rocket or vehicle can go.

So you are the one who brought up a steel door. If you brought it up then there must be a readon, so backup your claim with evidence.

It's not returning from space here, therefore Mjolnir wouldn't reach that type of velocity. Also after breaking the sound barrier to enter the atmosphere, Mjolnir slowed down far below the speed of sound in pursuit of Thor.

I also posted "several hundred meters away". In the scene with Kurse, Mjolnir was flying fairly slowly, much slower than a bullet.


Originally posted by Silent Master
Nice try, but proving that a steel door could stop Mjolnir isn't proving a negative.

Just admit that this was yet another massively biased statement that you can't back up.

Mjolnir (the subject) can't go through a steel door on the first try on the return from traveling several hundred meters away.

The steel door is not the subject, Mjolnir is.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the feats that have been shown in the movies.. you know the movie that you claim you've seen yet we all know you haven't seen a movie in like 80 years...

Mjolnir has been shown to break the sound barrier... The hammer has been shown to return back to Thor i.e. when thor and hulk first fought in avengers, it is clearly heard the hammer breaking through to return to thor..

we get your ignorant and it shows in every damn thread to go into

There was no breaking sounds when it was returning.
It broke the sound barrier when returning from space. Its not returning from space here.

You still haven't posted evidence yet.

Nice try, but by claiming that Mjolnir can't go through a steel door, you're in fact claiming that a steel door is capable of stopping Mjolnir.

So back up your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nice try, but by claiming that Mjolnir can't go through a steel door UNDER PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES, you're in fact claiming that a steel door is capable of stopping Mjolnir.

So back up your claim.

Lol. You want to twist words (change the subject to a statement) that's fine. Mjolnir can't go through a steel door UNDER PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES without good evidence.

Mjolnir has no feats to suggest otherwise. That's backing up the claim.

No, that's you trying to weasel your way out of backing up your original statement. Which was.


Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

Classic h1, make asinine statement. Shift burden of proof.

Provide proof or admit to being a troll.

Provide proof or admit to being a troll

@Nibedicus
Stop being denseand trolling the thread. The assertion is about the limitations of Mjolnir, not the capability of a steel door.

"Mjolnir can't do something" doesn't need to be proven. It's just true unless proven otherwise.

Originally posted by h1a8
@Nibedicus
Stop being denseand trolling the thread. The assertion is about the limitations of Mjolnir, not the capability of a steel door.

"Mjolnir can't do something" doesn't need to be proven. It's just true unless proven otherwise.

You're an idiot. We know, you know it, everyone knows it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

Is a declarative statement. It is establishing an exact limitation and even after you reworded it into the negative sense, the intention of your post is already perfectly clear, you are trying to establish a definitive limit to lowball something you don't like being the dishonest troll you are.

Here let me help you:

If you wanted to argue within the premise of a negative, the correct way of stating it would have been (and though I would still disagree, as I've already previously posted proof via writer's intent on page 4 of this thread):

"There is no evidence (that I know of) of Mjolnir's return enchant being able to go thru even a steel door."

That at least would be more credible due to it sticking to what you know (or think you know) and it's openness to evidence. But declaring a limit without full knowledge of what evidence exists out there is just you being your usual disingenuous self.

Seriously, it's like you must get turned on when people tear you down, it's the only explanation. This must be some sort of weird kink for you.

Masochistic indeed.

H1 needs to stop lying, his original statement wasn't "Mjolnir can't" it was "a steel door would".

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're an idiot. We know, you know it, everyone knows it.



Is a declarative statement. It is establishing an exact limitation and even after you reworded it into the negative sense, the intention of your post is already perfectly clear, you are trying to establish a definitive limit to lowball something you don't like being the dishonest troll you are.

Here let me help you:

If you wanted to argue within the premise of a negative, the correct way of stating it would have been (and though I would still disagree, as I've already previously posted proof via writer's intent on page 4 of this thread):

"There is no evidence (that I know of) of Mjolnir's return enchant being able to go thru even a steel door."

That at least would be more credible due to it sticking to what you know (or think you know) and it's openness to evidence. But declaring a limit without full knowledge of what evidence exists out there is just you being your usual disingenuous self.

Seriously, it's like you must get turned on when people tear you down, it's the only explanation. This must be some sort of weird kink for you.

Take a deep breath Nibe. Dont want to get a heart attack.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're an idiot. We know, you know it, everyone knows it.



Is a declarative statement. It is establishing an exact limitation and even after you reworded it into the negative sense, the intention of your post is already perfectly clear, you are trying to establish a definitive limit to lowball something you don't like being the dishonest troll you are.

Here let me help you:

If you wanted to argue within the premise of a negative, the correct way of stating it would have been (and though I would still disagree, as I've already previously posted proof via writer's intent on page 4 of this thread):

"There is no evidence (that I know of) of Mjolnir's return enchant being able to go thru even a steel door."

That at least would be more credible due to it sticking to what you know (or think you know) and it's openness to evidence. But declaring a limit without full knowledge of what evidence exists out there is just you being your usual disingenuous self.

Seriously, it's like you must get turned on when people tear you down, it's the only explanation. This must be some sort of weird kink for you.

This is not school. The idea was about the limitation of Mjolnir. It's common sense. Mjolnir can't pass through a sheet of paper if it can't be proven.
Mjolnir can't do anything if it can't be proven. That's the bottom line.
It's a negative (what Mjolnir can't do). Since this thread is about Mjolnir.

H1 needs to stop lying, his original statement wasn't "Mjolnir can't" it was "a steel door would".

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

This is not school.
This is a debate forum.
Objects and characters don't get abilities without proof. Who cares how I worded it?
That's the bottom line. You are an idiot talking about irrelevant stuff. My stance is firm on the matter. You are wasting your time.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is not school.
This is a debate forum.
Objects and characters don't get abilities without proof.
That's the bottom line. You are an idiot talking about irrelevant stuff. My stance is firm on the matter. You are wasting your time.

You do not make the rules of logic. So we will just point at you and laugh at your dishonest attempts at lowballing.

Of course you are a waste of time. You are too dumb to make salient points, too stubborn to learn from your mistakes and too lazy to try and get any better.

You have my pity, though.

Originally posted by Silent Master
H1 needs to stop lying, his original statement wasn't "Mjolnir can't" it was "a steel door would".

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You do not make the rules of logic. So we will just point at you and laugh at your dishonest attempts at lowballing.

Of course you are a waste of time. You are too dumb to make salient points, too stubborn to learn from your mistakes and too lazy to try and get any better.

You have my pity, though.

Rules of logic are irrelevant. This is fiction, not real life. Shit in fiction DON'T GET ABILITIES UNLESS PROVEN. DEAL WITH IT.

Originally posted by h1a8
Rules of logic are irrelevant. This is fiction, not real life. Shit in fiction DON'T GET ABILITIES UNLESS PROVEN. DEAL WITH IT.

Then prove that a steel door has the ability to stop Mjolnir. Like you originally said

It's about the spirit of what someone says, not the English grammar of how they said it.

In critical thinking this what you are doing is called "nitpicking".
Nitpicking is a fallacy. It doesn't actually rebut the argument.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then prove that a steel door has the ability to stop Mjolnir under those particular circumstances. Like you originally said

I don't need to. The negative is automatically true unless evidence is presented to show otherwise.

The video of Mjolnir reaching Thor in the Hulk fight might be sufficient evidence. I'm still analyzing it. I can barely hear anything. I'll try headphones.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't need to. The negative is automatically true unless evidence is presented to show otherwise.

The video of Mjolnir reaching Thor in the Hulk fight might be sufficient evidence. I'm still analyzing it. I can barely hear anything. I'll try headphones.

Without proof, your statements are just the ramblings of an extremely biased troll

Originally posted by Silent Master
Without proof, your statements are just the ramblings of an extremely biased troll

And frogs are actually intelligent aliens that developed warp drive to observe us. See, I can say silly things too.

Originally posted by h1a8
And frogs are actually intelligent aliens that developed warp drive to observe us. See, I can say silly things too.
No proof = you're a troll

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
H1 has a new name and its B1 funny dummy


also b1, you are in no way shape or form RJ

Originally posted by h1a8
And frogs are actually intelligent aliens that developed warp drive to observe us. See, I can say silly things too. Your debating is a joke. Deep down you either know it or are forest gump level intelligence.

Originally posted by h1a8
I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.


More proof that h1 is a troll

His clear agenda against Thor has been noted by everyone.

Originally posted by Silent Master
More proof that h1 is a troll

I'll clarify.

I believe a 1in or thicker steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt if Mjolnir started from less than 100 feet away. Mjolnir would strike the steel door, possibly denting it, and will be stopped. Traveling from miles away then it could possibly go through.

So Zod easily swats it away.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'll clarify.

I believe a 1in or thicker steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt if Mjolnir started from less than 100 feet away. Mjolnir would strike the steel door, possibly denting it, and will be stopped. Traveling from miles away then it could possibly go through.

So Zod easily swats it away.

h1 making excuses to try and cover his trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8


I believe


whatever suits you?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'll clarify.

I believe a 1in or thicker steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt if Mjolnir started from less than 100 feet away. Mjolnir would strike the steel door, possibly denting it, and will be stopped. Traveling from miles away then it could possibly go through.

So Zod easily swats it away.

BTW, once again your statement is about the steel door being able to stop Mjolnir. that makes the steel door the subject. So you have two choices, you can either prove that a steel door is capable of stopping Mjolnir or retract the statement.


Anything else will be viewed as you admitting that you're a troll.

h1a8, you need to repeat this to yourself 100 times every time you go to post, before you ever hit the reply button.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4T0UPnhv2Kw/hqdefault.jpg

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
h1a8, you need to repeat this to yourself 100 times every time you go to post, before you ever hit the reply button.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4T0UPnhv2Kw/hqdefault.jpg

I have proven it. I stated multiple times Mjolnir was stopped. QS stopped it. Hulk stopped it, etc. It's not unstoppable. Plus we don't use no limit fallacies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, once again your statement is about the steel door being able to stop Mjolnir. that makes the steel door the subject. So you have two choices, you can either prove that a steel door is capable of stopping Mjolnir or retract the statement.


Anything else will be viewed as you admitting that you're a troll.

What you dont understand is that not being able to prove something doesn't FORCE the opposite to be true. This thread is about Mjolnir, not a steel door. Stop trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have proven it. I stated multiple times Mjolnir was stopped. QS stopped it. Hulk stopped it, etc. It's not unstoppable. Plus we don't use no limit fallacies.

Only you're lying as neither QS or Hulk has ever stopped it, why do you continue to lie so much?


Originally posted by h1a8
What you dont understand is that not being able to prove something doesn't FORCE the opposite to be true. This thread is about Mjolnir, not a steel door. Stop trolling.

You stated that a steel door could stop Mjolnir. Prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only you're lying as neither QS or Hulk has ever stopped it, why do you continue to lie so much?




You stated that a steel door could stop Mjolnir. Prove it.

When QS grabbed it, Mjolnir fell right to the ground (instead of keep going).
Mjolnir fell again when Hulk tried to grab it, instead of keep going.
In other words, the forward component of the motion was stopped.

Originally posted by h1a8
When QS grabbed it, Mjolnir fell right to the ground (instead of keep going).
Mjolnir fell again when Hulk tried to grab it, instead of keep going.
In other words, the forward component of the motion was stopped.


that would be the enchantment stopping it and not the Hulk or Quicksilver. You're not very good at interpreting scenes are you?

Originally posted by Silent Master
that would be the enchantment stopping it and not the Hulk or Quicksilver. You're not very good at interpreting scenes are you? It's possible. That would mean the unmovable enchantment acts in the downward direction. So anyone can bat it away in the same manner as Kurse if they are as strong as Kurse.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's possible. That would mean the unmovable enchantment acts in the downward direction. So anyone can bat it away in the same manner as Kurse if they are as strong as Kurse.

You still haven't proven that a steel door can stop Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You still haven't proven that a steel door can stop Mjolnir.

You have to post the entire thought. Leaving out words changes the claim.

Your entire post


Originally posted by h1a8
It uses Asgardian magic though for its worthy enchantment.

Anyway there is a lot of unanswered questions.

I believe a steel door would stop Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt.

You still haven't posted any proof

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your entire post




You still haven't posted any proof

That's not the current claim. I clarified. I stated from 100 feet and I stated the thickness of the door.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not the current claim. I clarified. I stated from 100 feet and I stated the thickness of the door.

That is the original claim. a claim that you haven't proven or admitted was wrong. thus it stands.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is the original claim. a claim that you haven't proven or admitted was wrong. thus it stands.

The claim isn't wrong. A steel door CAN stop Mjolnir in a particular circumstance. By me not clarifying in the beginning then the claim is open to anyway it can happen.

Originally posted by h1a8
The claim isn't wrong. A steel door CAN stop Mjolnir in a particular circumstance. By me not clarifying in the beginning then the claim is open to anyway it can happen.

If the original claim isn't wrong, then prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If the original claim isn't wrong, then prove it.

All I would have to do is create a scenario where the door stops Mjolnir from returning on the first attempt. Then the original claim is proven.

Waiting for you to prove your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Waiting for you to prove your claim.

Here's the scenario.
Mjolnir starts from 2 feet away from a 1 foot thick steel door. Thor calls it from the other side. Mjolnir strikes the door and stops.

Why? Because there is no evidence that Mjolnir can go through a 1 foot steel door starting from 2 feet away from a return.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Waiting for you to prove your claim.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's the scenario.
Mjolnir starts from 2 feet away from a 1 foot thick steel door. Thor calls it from the other side. Mjolnir strikes the door and stops.

Why? Because there is no evidence that Mjolnir can go through a 1 foot steel door starting from 2 feet away from a return.

That isn't proof. now back up your claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't proof. now back up your claim.

It is. Show me any evidence that Mjolnir can take down a 1ft door from a 2 foot start upon a return.

You didn't backup your claim so it's being ignored