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Durability showing - which is better and why?

KC Supes -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190702_7717248.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190703_8434703.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190704_7162981.jpg

Hulk -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087714_Avengers_2016-_686-011.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087716_Avengers_2016-_686-012.jpg
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087718_Avengers_2016-_686-013.jpg

I would argue Superman. He ignored that attack. As impressive as Hulk taking those attacks was, he still took a little damage.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I would argue Superman. He ignored that attack. As impressive as Hulk taking those attacks was, he still took a little damage.

Are you looking at everything as a whole or just someone being punched? A lot of factors here. Think about it and let's discuss.

Wow Hulk no sells Hercules and Jane Foster Thor?

I need to catch up on comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you looking at everything as a whole or just someone being punched? A lot of factors here. Think about it and let's discuss.

What are you referring to ?

And hey Darth Thor, welcome back.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wow Hulk no sells Hercules and Jane Foster Thor?

I need to catch up on comics.

Welcome back

Originally posted by Damborgson
I would argue Superman. He ignored that attack. As impressive as Hulk taking those attacks was, he still took a little damage.

There are a lot of factors you haven't taken into account.

Who is making the thread?

Who is in the thread?
These two factors will tell you the correct answer OP is looking for

Let's stick to real top tier characters for this kind of thread shall we?

https://orig00.deviantart.net/55c1/f/2015/345/4/0/goku_vs_laser_meme_by_mertyville-d9jqiny.png

Hulk's feat is more impressive, given that DC Hercules was beaten by WW.

DC Herc is a scrub, but no selling a punch like KC Supes does, literally just standing there unmoved, is more impressive.
In RL, taking a punch, even if it doesnt really hurt you, will cause your head to move.
Supes doesnt even give Hercules head.

So do we scale Captain Marvel off him? Strength of Herc and all that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So do we scale Captain Marvel off him? Strength of Herc and all that?

You're question should be "do we share fts so that I can find a way for Hulk to lose this". We know you rep DC, saint.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So do we scale Captain Marvel off him? Strength of Herc and all that?
You probably would, as you pick and choose how you perceive/portray characters to get the results/reactions you want, but all of CMs powers are overall augmented by the power of Zeus, making the final product greater than the sum of its parts. This has been covered by writers here and there over the years.

Originally posted by Damborgson
What are you referring to ?

And hey Darth Thor, welcome back.

Disregard. My goal isnt to push you away from your decision. Thanks for the reply.

Originally posted by carver9
You're question should be "do we share fts so that I can find a way for Hulk to lose this". We know you rep DC, saint.

Don't you share feats? Could've sworn you did.

Originally posted by riv6672
You probably would, as you pick and choose how you perceive/portray characters to get the results/reactions you want, but all of CMs powers are overall augmented by the power of Zeus, making the final product greater than the sum of its parts. This has been covered by writers here and there over the years.



Ok

Hulk.

One is no selling -albeit receiving damage at least to some extent- from a mid and a high herald while the other is unflinchingly ignoring an all-out punch from a being capable of rocking a upper-echelon high herald in one hit. 🤔

Hulk took a hammer shot to the chest and barely moved. That alone is significantly more impressive than KC's moment. A charged Mjolnir shot, is way more powerful than Marvel Hercules, especially Heracles from DC. Throw in Marvel Hercules', and it becomes a pretty crazy feat. Especially since 2 issues later, Hercules and Jane Thor were holding up Earth....

That being said, the KC moment is more impressive in that it's a much better written scene imo, and is more badass. Just in terms of sheer power scaling, it's obviously no contest though.

Yeah. My take on this is as follows.

If we were to power scale, and take say Her/Jane's greatest feats and scale off them, Hulk is way more impressive.

If we were to take story telling conventions, then Superman's feat is more impressive.

For example, comic writers always show people being punched and being moved. Batman has moved Darkseid's head, for example. He's even punched Shazam in the head But I know Batman is seen as a special case, so let's use a relevant example, that of WWH and Thing. Does it mean anything? Nope (despite the times I tease Carver about it).

But it's very rare that a writer/artist depicts a complete no sell like that. Which is what makes it impressive. Looking at the wider picture, Superman's showing is so rarely done (quickly; off the top of your head, name three other times it has happened with characters at this level) you can't help but be impressed.

Originally posted by carver9
Durability showing - which is better and why?

KC Supes -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190702_7717248.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190703_8434703.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190704_7162981.jpg

Hulk -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087714_Avengers_2016-_686-011.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087716_Avengers_2016-_686-012.jpg
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087718_Avengers_2016-_686-013.jpg

Well, that's interesting.

Daredevil and Batman have moved the heads of cl100's. Spidey is notorious for punching so far outside his weight class, boards have universally adapted a ruled named after him.


Logically, this should happen every time Matt punch's, say, Namor:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/96/90/a09690b5330ec78a936bcf338cc57e5d.jpg

As opposed to this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--VP57qFq6k8/ULqs6i_fU1I/AAAAAAAADIU/p_iK-xiMv8M/s1600/DAREDEVIL+ANNUAL+0040026.jpg

Exactly. The MANNER in which he just stood there and tanked it is pretty impressive. Herc and Thor, whilst ultimately useless, had a scene which is pretty common in comics.

Not to mention, magical weakness etc.

Isn't this Hulk being amped by the Challenger, though?

Not saying he is, but I heard something along those lines.

Post crisis Superman's best durability feats go well above Hulk's.

Yet KC Supes no sold a blow that bloodied his counterpart's nose.

Going with KC Supes.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Isn't this Hulk being amped by the Challenger, though?

Not saying he is, but I heard something along those lines.

He was???

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Post crisis Superman's best durability feats go well above Hulk's.

Yet KC Supes no sold a blow that bloodied his counterpart's nose.

Going with KC Supes.

Hhhmmm... even if we take this route, you would lose based on the things Jane has done with Mjlonir. Add in Hercules...

Jane I agree but isn't Hercules depowered? As in, not as strong as before getting his powers back.

Originally posted by carver9
He was??? That's my main doubt tbh

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
One is no selling -albeit receiving damage at least to some extent- from a mid and a high herald while the other is unflinchingly ignoring an all-out punch from a being capable of rocking a upper-echelon high herald in one hit. 🤔

Exactly. Power scaling makes Hulk way more impressive, otherwise you're down a rabbit hole of ABC logic, where we argue for days on whether bloodying Superman is a feat etc etc.

Adam, you're thinking of Rulk and his radiation I think.

Originally posted by Blight
?

I just think it's funny because you said the exact same thing earlier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Adam, you're thinking of Rulk and his radiation I think. Lol I'm more lost now. Gotta catch up on Marvel.

I swear, Stilt has respect threads made of these scans....

http://i67.tinypic.com/zso7ya.png

Another scan just showing how common the depiction is.

@Squall...

I dont think you actually read what what is ever said, you just comment. Your post is irrelevant. Are you implying DC Hercules hits harder or bring more force than Jane with Mjlonir? Do you think Superman can stand in one spot and tank Jane hits?

Originally posted by carver9
@Squall...

I dont think you actually read what what is ever said, you just comment. Your post is irrelevant. Are you implying DC Hercules hits harder or bring more force than Jane with Mjlonir? Do you think Superman can stand in one spot and tank Jane hits?

You mean, like withstanding an attack from a character who one shot KO'd Orion, Lightray, and most of the New Gods of New Genesis?

Originally posted by carver9
@Squall...

I dont think you actually read what what is ever said, you just comment. Your post is irrelevant. Are you implying DC Hercules hits harder or bring more force than Jane with Mjlonir? Do you think Superman can stand in one spot and tank Jane hits?

Yes!

This same Superman has already taken hits that shook the Earth itself while in a weaken state.

Originally posted by SquallX
Yes!

This same Superman has already taken hits that shook the Earth itself while in a weaken state.

Lol... taking hits that shake the Earth (hyperbole) doesnt mean he can withstand Jane hits while standing in one spot. Are you crazy? Jane knocked freaking Mangog teeth clean out and was holding her own with him physically and this is the same character that chewed through the destroyer and crushed a Mjlonir with his bare hands.

With Mjlonir she punched through pure adamantium that was laced in vibranium and amped with magic. You just say anything. Superman isnt standing in one spot tanking Jane punches and even if we accept hyperbole (lol), in the same book she fought Hulk, it was literally said that she could assist (with Hercules) in moving planetary weight. Stop. Just stop.

Terrible post JL King. Bias post.

Jane sucked pretty bad outside her own series to be fair.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Jane sucked pretty bad outside her own series to be fair.

Has DC Herc been amazing and also, in THAT book, she was pretty strong... her and Herc. Remember Herc pushing planetary weight.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Jane sucked pretty bad outside her own series to be fair.

So you're saying she gives the best head in her own series?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you're saying she gives the best head in her own series?


So poor Herc is missing out.

Well, here's a Marvel specific example:

Namor absolutely rocking Thanos:
http://i.imgur.com/IfX3VBm.png

Does that mean anything? No. But it doesn't look good for Thanos.

Here's a better one:. Namor making Sentry bleed with a punch:
https://m.imgur.com/WCBxSVU

IOW, characters make each other bleed all the time. Writers ignore it for the sake of a story.

Here's Batman and Shazam, lol:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111180200/4020529-1917869465-Batma.jpg

But to be so far above Heracles that Superman doesn't even flinch (despite his magic - don't forget, in Kingdom Come Shazam was the only one who could stalemate him, due to magic)? That's more impressive.

@Squall,

Are you reading my sentences? If you're not reading what I am typing then DO NOT RESPOND TO ME. I clearly said "if we are accepting Hyperbole then Jane". Do you not understand what this mean? And yes, Superman and Doomsday shaking earth is a hyperbolic statement unless you believe Hulk can juggle a sun? Let me know.

Lol at seismic shockwaves.

Lol... not being dense, I'm sharing my thoughts with you. You can accept that statement as true but I'm not because it is just a statement. Its like me accepting Reed statement Hulk is as powerful as the Phoenix.

Creating seismic activity isnt as great as you are trying to make it. Especially when characters like Luke Cage have done it. What type of seismic activities are you talking about?

Originally posted by carver9
Durability showing - which is better and why?

KC Supes -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190702_7717248.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190703_8434703.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39190704_7162981.jpg

Hulk -

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087714_Avengers_2016-_686-011.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087716_Avengers_2016-_686-012.jpg
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38087718_Avengers_2016-_686-013.jpg

I don't understand. Which showings of durability are you comparing? And by which characters?

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't understand. Which showings of durability are you comparing? And by which characters? Hurr