Blue Marvel vs. Maestro

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byrdgang21
Who wins?

leonidas
i'll actually take bm here i think. maestro has never really impressed me terribly tbh. interesting match though. thumb up

Wonder Man
Blue Marvel absorbs the Absorbing Man and casts him onto Maestro turning both into fossils.

meep-meep
Blue Marvel stomps.

CosmicComet
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Blue Marvel absorbs the Absorbing Man and casts him onto Maestro turning both into fossils.

Go on..

Bentley
Maestro speedblitzes him harder than Hulk speedblitzes Galactus

riv6672
Originally posted by leonidas
i'll actually take bm here i think.... interesting match though. thumb up
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Putinbot1
I know it was all done off-panel, but Maestro beat them all. By interference... He is that powerful.

-K-M-

Putinbot1
The Nukes amped him up. The inference was he got stronger and beat them all. Rick collected the trophies, the Inference was he won. That was the point of the plot he got stronger due to the nukes and beat everyone still alive. Hell in that awful late 90's Hulk story he became the Maestro to unite the world against him in the Hulk comic against the Avengers which had Thor in that awful 90's Liefield costume.. Reread it, somewhere there's a quote about how it amped him in the original Maestro story.

-K-M-

Sin I AM
Maestro is unimpressive. But so is BM...stalemate

carver9
Sigh

One Big Mob
BM made Maestro drop his amp (Iso) with a punch. Nothing was conclusive though

Putinbot1
@KM as it is glitching on quoting you, this is why I really hate handbooks, the team Maestro alludes to what he was intended to be. The Trophy room was meant to show that the Maestro had beaten them, that was the point of it. That was the whole point of the plot the Maestro was supreme. But as usual a handbook retcon devalues a good plot and the sequels devalued a beautiful Peter David self-contained story. As sequels usually do. Kingdom Come and Watchmen spring to mind most for this.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by One Big Mob
BM made Maestro drop his amp (Iso) with a punch. Nothing was conclusive though When was this Bran?

One Big Mob
Contest of Champions. Ewing used the Ultimates and then he realized he didn't want them to lose or to save the day so he quickly wrote them out.

They had a very quick scuffle.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Contest of Champions. Ewing used the Ultimates and then he realized he didn't want them to lose or to save the day so he quickly wrote them out.

They had a very quick scuffle. Thanks, I will look.

-K-M-
Originally posted by Putinbot1
@KM as it is glitching on quoting you, this is why I really hate handbooks, the team Maestro alludes to what he was intended to be. The Trophy room was meant to show that the Maestro had beaten them, that was the point of it. That was the whole point of the plot the Maestro was supreme. But as usual a handbook retcon devalues a good plot and the sequels devalued a beautiful Peter David self-contained story. As sequels usually do. Kingdom Come and Watchmen spring to mind most for this.


No,

As Rick said...

"I sort of missed the last war-the one where all my friends got killed" *shows nuke explosion and Captain Marvel, Captain America, Spider-Man, Ant-Man dead*


"Hulk: A war?
Rick: That's it. A war. A big one"
Hulk: Who was responsible? Doctor Doom? The Leader? The Red Skull?
Rick: Nope. Funny, aint it? All the good guys protecting humanity from the bad guys. And humanity went and blew itself up real fine without help from anyone in armor or funny long johns. Go figure. Remember all the reports about how people might survive atomic wars? Exaggerated. All of it. Thor? Gone. Wolverine? Gone. Cap..all of 'em...all gone. and after the third world war there was another war....cant even remember what it was about"

"most of my peeps roasted when the nukes hit the fan. My wife Marlo was among'em..but there was one guy who actually prospered. Someone im kinda responsible for creating. While almost everyone else was dying from fallout, my old pal just soaked up the rads and got stronger and stronger and stronger....."

So nukes and the fallout killed everyone. It was only after he soaked up the rads and got stronger he became Maestro...which again was after the heroes were killed.

Rick made the trophy room as a tribute and not to forget the heroic age to act as a symbol

There was no alluding, it was outright said and shown they were killed by nukes

Recently Maestro was easily beat by Old Man Logan

-K-M-
Originally posted by One Big Mob
BM made Maestro drop his amp (Iso) with a punch. Nothing was conclusive though

That was also because he was caught off guard too. Maestro was currently having a mental battle as well

Putinbot1
So what you are saying Mungi, nukes took out the Surfer and Thor and even Iron Man whose shields have stopped Nukes a few times. Well thanks, the story makes a lot more sense now that nukes shattered Caps shield and Thor's hammer etc. Well, the Perez art was Good anyway and I enjoyed Future Imperfect at the time.

-K-M-

DarkSaint85
Yep. Comics. Power levels. Ignored.

leonidas
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which is one of the reasons i've never found maestro very impressive. he maybe SHOULD have been. were he created now i think he would have been pretty ridiculously uber. as he is, meh. a step above prof but i don't think he'd hold a candle to current hulk.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh

Surprised you didn't bring this up

https://s5.postimg.cc/e46eqbc0j/5184624-secret_wars_battleworld_4.5_-_silver_surfer_fights_maest.jpg

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Maestro is unimpressive. But so is BM...stalemate
Well it depends. Classic (and true) Blue Marvel destroys Maestro. Current Reed Richards/Tony Stark wannabe does lose or stalemate.

-K-M-

Putinbot1
All Maestro are alternate realities, interesting thread though guys.

carver9
The scan dark posted, that isnt the real Maestro or Surfer. Your new name should be try hard. Anyways, Maestro mentioned he fought and beat Thor... a lot of heros survived the Nukes but probably died by Maestro.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
The scan dark posted, that isnt the real Maestro or Surfer. Your new name should be try hard. Anyways, Maestro mentioned he fought and beat Thor... a lot of heros survived the Nukes but probably died by Maestro.

Was waiting for this.

Originally posted by carver9
An alternate Wolverine stabbed clean through him

A lot of heroes died because of the nukes actually.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by carver9
The scan dark posted, that isnt the real Maestro or Surfer. Your new name should be try hard. Anyways, Maestro mentioned he fought and beat Thor... a lot of heros survived the Nukes but probably died by Maestro.

It rings a bell he fought and beat Thor. Do you have a scan of that quote?

-K-M-
Originally posted by carver9
The scan dark posted, that isnt the real Maestro or Surfer. Your new name should be try hard. Anyways, Maestro mentioned he fought and beat Thor... a lot of heros survived the Nukes but probably died by Maestro.

When did maestro mention he fought Thor? As they originally said Thor was killed by nukes

And a lot survived the nukes? It actually said the opposite. Who survived?

Putinbot1
Spiderman 2099 I think was where it was mentioned. Can someone confirm this? It was probably about 5 years ago.

-K-M-

carver9
Originally posted by -K-M-
When did maestro mention he fought Thor? As they originally said Thor was killed by nukes

And a lot survived the nukes? It actually said the opposite. Who survived?

He mentioned it when he was fighting Hulk. I'll have to go back and read the issue but he did mention it.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was waiting for this.



A lot of heroes died because of the nukes actually.

This post doesnt even make sense. Keep reaching.

NemeBro
Originally posted by carver9
He mentioned it when he was fighting Hulk. I'll have to go back and read the issue but he did mention it. Are you referring to this?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Wl0c_AeAAZQF63_dAwzD8y_2gBEC3Kz9pNOZh8NkyZ-DK9BEb-Ra9KUayagg2kgVBzDdDVBk4j7ocg=s0

Or this?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ pBRTFktjGplhYeF_y9JGSHR11xy4aULsxZtOxS3q310YiqOc6I
UMrDM-B3dc0ygB9-575wMn-lpwSw=s0

These are the only times I can recall Thor being mentioned in the story, and neither have Maestro implying or stating that he defeated Thor. I'm not familiar with Maestro's later appearances. Was it there?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
This post doesnt even make sense. Keep reaching.

You seem pretty happy to use alt versions when it suits you.

As for the rest of it:

https://s33.postimg.cc/te6qwa63j/RCO038_1465541826.jpg

I think you should re-read the story again.

'ALL of em...gone...'

But of course, Carver will handwave his mistake away and slink off.

DarkSaint85
Because I think Carver is either highly confused, or he's trying to pass an alt Maestro off as the real deal, lol.

Because this is what he's using:
https://s33.postimg.cc/m25w4n5l7/RCO013_1469400687.jpg

Except.....OG Maestro never defeated them, and never collected their stuff. As shown here, it was RICK Jones who did:
https://s33.postimg.cc/51mzvwne3/RCO027_1465541826.jpg

Note, even the display case for Mjolnir/Spidey is the same, lol. So either Maestro independently of Rick created an exact same display case as Rick......or it's an alt.reality Maestro.

And it was reiterated - Maestro went mad because EVERYONE HE KNEW AND LOVED had died in the nuclear war.

EVERYONE. He knew.

https://s33.postimg.cc/9ot1xb82j/RCO002_1465541952.jpg

-K-M-
Concerning Meastro in 2099 it also could be explained Strange (who was working for Maestro) lied to help spread the legend and fear of Maestro and he just gathered Rick's trophy's and brought it to the castle to claim for his own. Even Spider-Man thought it was an alternate future version of Maestro

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by -K-M-
Concerning Meastro in 2099 it also could be explained Strange (who was working for Maestro) lied to help spread the legend and fear of Maestro and he just gathered Rick's trophy's and brought it to the castle to claim for his own.

Good theory, except....

Maestro didn't know where Rick and the rebels were.

That's the reason why they pulled Prof Hulk back in the first place, to help in the fight against the Maestro.

After Maestro found their secret hidey-place:
https://s33.postimg.cc/umz7vt0bv/RCO037_1465541952.jpg

Prof Hulk shows up and they fight, and that exact display case is smashed:
https://s33.postimg.cc/3qf8n2p3v/RCO040_1465541952.jpg

Then they time travel back to the past, and Prof Hulk kills Maestro.

The End.

So unless Maestro suddenly, in between finding the rebels and fighting Prof, managed to Zoom around and build a brand new display case etc....

Alt theory is of course, that he and Rick both had the exact same idea of storing Mjolnir and Spidey's mask/webshooters in the exact same display case, lol.

DarkSaint85
FINAL thing.

The entire plot of Spider-man 2099 was that Doom needed Miguel to fix Doom's time machine:
https://s33.postimg.cc/aux1wc1kr/RCO014_1469400687.jpg

As seen here, it was 'the plan':
https://s33.postimg.cc/vf1vutp1n/RCO021_1469400687.jpg

But....OG Maestro's Doom platform was always working, and worked perfectly:
https://s33.postimg.cc/cmq0raxtb/RCO044_1465541952.jpg

So yeah, they're different Maestros.

-K-M-
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Good summary. Said it was an alt maestro on the previous page. You confirmed it

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by -K-M-
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Good summary. Said it was an alt maestro on the previous page. You confirmed it

thumb up as they say in Mexico, mess with the Saint,you get the taint.

carver9
I guess Dark feels that he has covered everything. Hhhhmmm. I'll go back and reread it.

DarkSaint85
Told ya wink

Bentley
Saint: KMC's biggest Hulk fan.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
FINAL thing.

The entire plot of Spider-man 2099 was that Doom needed Miguel to fix Doom's time machine:
https://s33.postimg.cc/aux1wc1kr/RCO014_1469400687.jpg

As seen here, it was 'the plan':
https://s33.postimg.cc/vf1vutp1n/RCO021_1469400687.jpg

But....OG Maestro's Doom platform was always working, and worked perfectly:
https://s33.postimg.cc/cmq0raxtb/RCO044_1465541952.jpg

So yeah, they're different Maestros.

Yeah but that was the original Maestro, all of the others were just pretending to be tough, except for the one that laughed at Ulik before spanking his troll ass.

DarkSaint85
Yeah but the point is, they're all alt. Maestros.

So inapplicable, unless OP wanted to use that one.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I guess Dark feels that he has covered everything. Hhhhmmm. I'll go back and reread it.

Have you read it yet? Still need your hand holding? I'm here for you buddy smile

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
I guess Dark feels that he has covered everything. Hhhhmmm. I'll go back and reread it. Are you a slow reader?

DarkSaint85
He said he needed his hand held as he read it. I suspect it's a competence issue.

One Big Mob
I like to imagine Carver reads with a stutter

"Th-th-the b-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-Hulk j-j-j-ju-jumps ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-high.

Oh of course. I agree."

carver9
@Philo...

Veeeeeeerrrryyyyyy slow reader. Like Dark said, I need for him to hold my hand through it. Thanks for being a team player, Saint.

DarkSaint85
Have you finished the comic yet Carv?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Bentley
Saint: KMC's biggest Hulk fan. Carver has read, at best, 15-20 Hulk comics start to end in his entire life. The rest he just picks up scans from the forum.

Carver'd be High School'd on the subject by Saint on any discussion involving Hulk.

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