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Rogue.

Rogue. For all the tough talk Monet's speech pattern seem to suggest she was struggling with ORs drain

Well, why wouldn't she be struggling?

She still did helluva better than Rogue, who got raped with a single tentacle:

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Rogue for the win. It would have been more even if you said Rogue couldn't use her absorption powers and even then I'd still pick Rogue.

Yea I'd still back Rogue without absorption powers also.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Rogue. For all the tough talk Monet's speech pattern seem to suggest she was struggling with ORs drain
That was her fighting the tentacle porn. She was totally fine while she beat the brakes off him. Even Domino's luck power didn't help.

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As for the fight, Rogue's absorption powers might not even work. Let's remember, Monet just powered through Omega Red's life drain...

Physically, this is tough. They are about the same speed. Monet's strength isn't clearly defined, so Rogue may have the edge there. Even then, Monet has been depicted in Rogue's range before. Durability is interesting because Rogue has been KTFO by some stuff that wouldn't phase Monet. Then again Rogue is a flagship character with a deeper feat history. Monet has a few extra powers on top of her physicality though.

I don't know. I'm still making up my mind. Good thread Stilt. I feel like it will be one hell of a brawl considering their personalities. Possibly 5/5, until we know more about this "full potential" from Monet.

Unless Monet can shut Rogue's mind down the instant Rogue makes contact, Rogue wins from her life draining.

Ok, I understand the impulse to avoid no limits fallacies, but I offer you this:

We just saw Monet ignore a strong life drainer's siphoning attempt. Omega Red tried to drain her and caught an ass whooping for it. Why are you all so sure Rogue's drain will work?

I'm not being snarky here btw. I'm genuinely asking. I can see the argument for "let's wait for more info", but she just got an upgrade and resisted a powerful drain. Can we really be sure Rogue's will do the trick?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, I understand the impulse to avoid no limits fallacies, but I offer you this:

We just saw Monet ignore a strong life drainer's siphoning attempt. Omega Red tried to drain her and caught an ass whooping for it. Why are you all so sure Rogue's drain will work?

I'm not being snarky here btw. I'm genuinely asking. I can see the argument for "let's wait for more info", but she just got an upgrade and resisted a powerful drain. Can we really be sure Rogue's will do the trick?

They were there to save her, and they know of Monet's relationship with Sabretooth. I probably can't prove this with scans, but I would think Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike held back to avoid hurting her.

Sabretooth had to talk them into even coming at all though, as they genuinely don't care about Monet.

Even going with that, what else could they have really done? Omega Red's drain is the best option to put Monet down with or without harming her and he failed. She would have bounced everyone around like basketballs regardless. The only one who could do real damage is Lady Deathstrike, and she would likely get dealt with at range using Red's body as a weapon, as Monet did, or just outsped.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That was her fighting the tentacle porn. She was totally fine while she beat the brakes off him. Even Domino's luck power didn't help.

https://postimg.cc/image/9ch3rczlz/
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As for the fight, Rogue's absorption powers might not even work. Let's remember, Monet just powered through Omega Red's life drain...

Physically, this is tough. They are about the same speed. Monet's strength isn't clearly defined, so Rogue may have the edge there. Even then, Monet has been depicted in Rogue's range before. Durability is interesting because Rogue has been KTFO by some stuff that wouldn't phase Monet. Then again Rogue is a flagship character with a deeper feat history. Monet has a few extra powers on top of her physicality though.

I don't know. I'm still making up my mind. Good thread Stilt. I feel like it will be one hell of a brawl considering their personalities. Possibly 5/5, until we know more about this "full potential" from Monet.

I'll go with this until I see how far Marvel has given Monet a push at full potential.

I want to give this to rogue, but M looks a bit more impressive.

On a side note, I'm actually surprised by how much I like the colors/design aesthetic of the current X-force team.

Originally posted by deathslash
I want to give this to rogue, but M looks a bit more impressive.

On a side note, I'm actually surprised by how much I like the colors/design aesthetic of the current X-force team.

Yeah me too. Thought it was just me. However I miss the old X-Men Sylvestri/Green art team-up. Would be great to see them do a few dozen issues again.

There is no way Monet is resisting Rogue's touch.

She pissed her pants at the weapon 13 virus lmao.

Weapon XII's abilities are different though.

And Monet isn't the same Monet. She was upgraded. She wouldn't have resisted Omega Red in the past either, but now she can. It's reasonable to wonder if Rogue can affect her right now.

Still siding with Rogue unless someone has an instance of her being even Spiderman level iirc she is like a class 10. Her tp isnt that great as well. She has alot of powers but she isnt exactly stellar in any one dept

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Her tp isnt that great as well.
Even high end telepaths (Prof X, Jean, Psylocke) had trouble reading Rogue's thoughts. As her Ms. Marvel powers developed she even started busting out a split personality. When one was knocked out either via TP or brutal physical damage, the other persona took over. So TP won't save Monet.

Fun fact, people assume this split personality ability is a result of Rogue totally absorbing Ms Marvel's powers and psyche resulting in the condition. BUT Carol herself suffered from split personality disorder. She really believed that her civilian form and her Ms. Marvel form were two different people! So it appears that Rogue absorbed this condition that resulted in her believing she had two personalities in her : Rogue and Carol Danvers.

Originally posted by zopzop
Even high end telepaths (Prof X, Jean, Psylocke) had trouble reading Rogue's thoughts. As her Ms. Marvel powers developed she even started busting out a split personality. When one was knocked out either via TP or brutal physical damage, the other persona took over. So TP won't save Monet.

Fun fact, people assume this split personality ability is a result of Rogue totally absorbing Ms Marvel's powers and psyche resulting in the condition. BUT Carol herself suffered from split personality disorder. She really believed that her civilian form and her Ms. Marvel form were two different people! So it appears that Rogue absorbed this condition that resulted in her believing she had two personalities in her : Rogue and Carol Danvers.

Issue #?

Originally posted by Glorificus


Unless Monet can shut Rogue's mind down the instant Rogue makes contact ...


I'm finding the suggestion here intriguing.

If Monet has telepathic prowess on that level, however, then it's very easy to see how she'd be able to handle Omega Red -- upgrade or no.

Recall now the following aristeia from most X-fans' favorite ninja:

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Source: X-Men (1991) #7
Circa: April 1992

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Issue #?
Issue # for what? The Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel split personality thing? Or the Rouge being KOed and "Carol" taking over?

Here is the Carol/Ms. Marvel split personality scan, I wish I had the issue number handy but it wasn't just one issue. This type of thing was occurring all through her initial series.
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Notice how Carol behaves, it's as if she has no control over the change and the Ms. Marvel personality is not welcome.

Now look at classic Rogue with Carol's powers :
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See a pattern?

Here is the Rogue being knocked out with a PSI attack and the "Carol" personality taking over :
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Even back then, Rogue was still succeptable to psi-attacks. Pre-ninja Psylocke got her multiple times with illusions, disorienting, or outright KO's. Many characters have some showings of resistance, but hard-to-read thoughts are not proof against a legit psi-bolt.

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Monet isn't the best telepath around, but she does have an ok showing here and there. She won't shut down Rogue's mind, but she might go invisible or something in a few fights. Maybe 2/10.
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