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Alright: five replies each, dmb does opener, judges will be myself, jkBart (in absentee) and The Tempest

Two weeks time limit for each reply starting from the last one, or from the OP.

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TIL: Robtard is pro Authoritarian Communism/North Korea

dmb does the opener

You people are getting weirder and weirder

This is some pathetic-levels of stupid.

But this is it...the strawman of the year.

Congratulations, The Ellimist, you win the award for the biggest strawman of the year.


But, please, let's stick with legitimate, academic, economic terms for capitalism. Robtard has not espoused an economic system outside of one of the multiple types of capitalism.


Does your system show up here?



Oligarchic capitalism
State-guided capitalism
Big-firm capitalism,
Entrepreneurial capitalism,
Capitalist economy

http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780195391176.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780195391176-e-5#oxfordhb-9780195391176-div2-39


What about this list?

Crony capitalism
Conscious Capitalism
Market Fundamentalism (anarcho-capitalism, laissez-faire, neoliberalism)
Mixed Economy/Social Market Economy
Social Democracy/Nordic Model
State Capitalism
Racial Capitalism
Commercialist Corporationism
Economic Globalization
Finance Capitalism
Welfare Capitalism
Dirigisme / East Asian Model
The Spectacle


https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-different-forms-of-capitalism

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Wow, it's usually me who triggers the kids and Fly around here. Who put 50 cents in Ellimist! Robtard did! *Whirly chuckles*

JKBart... He was the racist simpleton, wasn't he? At DDDM, this truly is a strawman of strawman threads! Agreed!

You are so triggered right now.

*waits for inevtivable name calling and sexual insults response*

Originally posted by Flyattractor
You are so triggered right now.

*waits for inevtivable name calling and sexual insults response*

He's like a stage magician being mad someone else stole his signature trick.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
You are so triggered right now.

*waits for inevtivable name calling and sexual insults response* Flly gets closure everytime someone acknowledges his existence... Sad ****!

I like free market capitalism.

I'm really pulling for communism here, come on communism!

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm really pulling for communism here, come on communism! Yeah, but you'll have a pull for anything BF, hang on, so will I!

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm really pulling for communism here, come on communism!

To be honest this is the first time I've heard the phrase "authoritarian communism".

It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Originally posted by BackFire
It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

Is there a communist regime I'm not aware of that wasn't authoritarian?

The Smurfs, well, they were authoritarian-lite

wow, desperation really brings out the worst in people

Just in case it isn't clear I had nothing to do with the creation of this thread. I went on KMC the other day, saw it, and got a good five minutes of laughter out of it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Just in case it isn't clear I had nothing to do with the creation of this thread. I went on KMC the other day, saw it, and got a good five minutes of laughter out of it. Good, good, it's a sad thing when people need validating through debating and shout things like "To the BATtle zone"... Because it kind of spells geek, even among other geeks.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Good, good, it's a sad thing when people need validating through debating and shout things like "To the BATtle zone"... Because it kind of spells geek, even among other geeks.
Honestly don't view it as a mark against Ellimist either, he just makes shitty threads for the sake of making shitty threads.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly don't view it as a mark against Ellimist either, he just makes shitty threads for the sake of making shitty threads. Ellimist is a ****ing weird one, sometimes he is lucid and others could almost be Fly's red headed step child.

I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't meant to be serious.

prolly like his racist gene thread yeah, or that's what he'll say

Originally posted by Beniboybling
prolly like his racist gene thread yeah, or that's what he'll say True

Originally posted by Surtur
Is there a communist regime I'm not aware of that wasn't authoritarian?
No, not at the state level. That is why many argue a communist state has never been achieved, as there would be no state. Communism isn't like socialism, capitalism, fascism, etc. Those systems still allow for goverment. Under communism, we'd just share everything without a central authority telling us what to do.

There are examples of communism on smaller scales though. Hippie communes, Jewish kibbutzes, Christian communist sects(Hutterites, Mennonites, etc). Some Christian communists are pretty interesting because it definitely flies in the face of mainstream Christianity. Many would argue Christ and the Apostles were straight up communists, or rather, proto-communists since communism wasn't a developed idea back then. For them, the Bible is text about social justice and is fundamentally opposed to most modern economic systems. Capitalism encourages greed, violence, and exploitation instead of compassion, peace, and justice. It is incompatible with the teachings of Christ for them.

It should be noted that religious communists are not usually marxists, even though those terns get put together often. I'm just a heathenous atheist though, so I can't give insight into every aspect of their views. It does fascinate me though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
No, not at the state level. That is why many argue a communist state has never been achieved, as there would be no state. Communism isn't like socialism, capitalism, fascism, etc. Those systems still allow for goverment. Under communism, we'd just share everything without a central authority telling us what to do.

There are examples of communism on smaller scales though. Hippie communes, Jewish kibbutzes, Christian communist sects(Hutterites, Mennonites, etc). Some Christian communists are pretty interesting because it definitely flies in the face of mainstream Christianity. Many would argue Christ and the Apostles were straight up communists, or rather, proto-communists since communism wasn't a developed idea back then. For them, the Bible is text about social justice and is fundamentally opposed to most modern economic systems. Capitalism encourages greed, violence, and exploitation instead of compassion, peace, and justice. It is incompatible with the teachings of Christ for them. Another good post, yeah, Marx had the idea that we could basically be what we wanted and get fair remuneration. So for example, if I fished in the morning and got several fish I could trade you a fish for a fair number of vegetables. It the afternoon, I might decide to paint your house and you might decide to knit me a scarf, the number of hours and effort have to be equitable.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Another good post, yeah, Marx had the idea that we could basically be what we wanted and get fair remuneration. So for example, if I fished in the morning and got several fish I could trade you a fish for a fair number of vegetables. It the afternoon, I might decide to paint your house and you might decide to knit me a scarf, the number of hours and effort have to be equitable.
Pretty much. (Ignore the typos in my last post pls. lol)

Communism, in my view, isn't something you can force people into if you want it to work. You can't use a hyper strong government to create a no-goverment world. It's assbackwards. You're basically turning into fascists "temporarily" and pretending like you'll be fine giving up your power down the road.....which never happens.

The people have to choose communism.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Pretty much.

Communism, in my view, isn't something you can force people into if you want it to work. You can't use a hyper strong government to create a no-goverment world. It's assbackwards. You're basically turning into fascists "temporarily" and pretending like you'll be fine giving up your power eventually.

The people have to choose communism if it's going to work. Very true, animal farm is and always will be the best book on the Russian revolution. The "communists" were the best organised so they took over. They were never a majority, even in the communist party...

Originally posted by StyleTime
No, not at the state level. That is why many argue a communist state has never been achieved, as there would be no state. Communism isn't like socialism, capitalism, fascism, etc. Those systems still allow for goverment. Under communism, we'd just share everything without a central authority telling us what to do.


Oh yeah, I've posted about this, before, and used Marx' own words to make this point:




I am for sure not talking about Marxist Socialism, but talking about the more common "Socialism." Idiots in the US combine the two definitions into one label and think all of it is "socialism." It's not.

But more about Marxist Socialism, Marx dressed up his words with pretty ideas and structures but at the essence of it, it was anti-theistic, antagonistic towards the reformation movement and the enlightenment period (where the idea of extreme individualistic liberty and freedom were seen as paramount to happiness) but not necessarily diametrically opposed to those concepts. He saw his brand of Communism in phases with the eventual outcome of man weaning themselves off the teet of religion and forming a happy utopia of communal industry (he believed it was the inevitable outcome of a society that grew through his idea of communistic maturity: religion was no longer necessary as an emotional crutch).

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16405754#post16405754



Also, I've posted about Christ and his clearly communist ideas (pure communism, as you allude to). I even include biblical citations, from Christ's wording, to support my position. lol


It rustles jimmies when you tell many conservative Christians that Christ was definitely a communist. But the KMC search engine isn't working too well for me so I can't find the post. Oh well, no one would read it anyway. WEEEEE!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh yeah, I've posted about this, before, and used Marx' own words to make this point:



Also, I've posted about Christ and his clearly communist ideas (pure communism, as you allude to). I even include biblical citations, from Christ's wording, to support my position. lol


It rustles jimmies when you tell many conservative Christians that Christ was definitely a communist. But the KMC search engine isn't working too well for me so I can't find the post. Oh well, no one would read it anyway. WEEEEE!

I knew Jesus was a commie the moment I found out his blood was red.

pretending not pretended... ffs!

20 year olds and their tentative grasp on language. Pfft!

sure thing, comrade

Originally posted by Robtard
20 year olds and their tentative grasp on language. Pfft! How do they even think they will get a job with basic errors like that in such a short sentence?

how classist and ableist of you

you're literally hitler

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh yeah, I've posted about this, before, and used Marx' own words to make this point:

I am for sure not talking about Marxist Socialism, but talking about the more common "Socialism." Idiots in the US combine the two definitions into one label and think all of it is "socialism." It's not.

But more about Marxist Socialism, Marx dressed up his words with pretty ideas and structures but at the essence of it, it was anti-theistic, antagonistic towards the reformation movement and the enlightenment period (where the idea of extreme individualistic liberty and freedom were seen as paramount to happiness) but not necessarily diametrically opposed to those concepts. He saw his brand of Communism in phases with the eventual outcome of man weaning themselves off the teet of religion and forming a happy utopia of communal industry (he believed it was the inevitable outcome of a society that grew through his idea of communistic maturity: religion was no longer necessary as an emotional crutch).

Originally posted by dadudemon

Also, I've posted about Christ and his clearly communist ideas (pure communism, as you allude to). I even include biblical citations, from Christ's wording, to support my position. lol

It rustles jimmies when you tell many conservative Christians that Christ was definitely a communist. But the KMC search engine isn't working too well for me so I can't find the post. Oh well, no one would read it anyway. WEEEEE!
I'd heard the idea when I was a kid, but I was actually pretty ignorant about the details until college. I had a Christian professor teaching a course on anti-capitalist topics that enlightened me about it. He didn't live on a commune or anything, but the was pretty politically active, protesting and participating in activism here and abroad. Like the communities mentioned earlier, capitalism was just plain incompatible with the Bible to him, and he had the academic texts to support his arguments.

He was the first guy to really explain the idea of Christian Social Utopias to me. Gustavo Gutierrez, Ernst Bloch, Leonardo Boff, the Bible itself, etc. I didn't even know what Liberation Theology was until reading some of these guys.

And it's not even a "new" idea in Christianity. Guys like Meister Eckhart and William Langland were pointing this stuff out as far back as the 1300's. They were at risk of being set on fire and dragged through the streets for heresy though so they had to be careful about the message. I've read St. Thomas Moore's Utopia, and that shit is a communist's wet dream.

And it's not even just Christianity. Abrahamic religions, regardless of how mainstream society ignores it, has these underpinnings. Sayyid Qutb wrote extensively about Islamic arguments for economic equality in Social Justice in Islam. Manya Shochat, Ber Borochov, and Yitzchak Epstein presented these ideas from the Jewish standpoint.

It was super interesting running into all this stuff, as you typically don't really hear this stuff in school. I miss that guy.
Originally posted by dadudemon

It rustles jimmies when you tell many conservative Christians that Christ was definitely a communist. But the KMC search engine isn't working too well for me so I can't find the post. Oh well, no one would read it anyway. WEEEEE!
I read most replies to me, but I laziness is a hell of drug, so I don't alway get around to replying lmao.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
How do they even think they will get a job with basic errors like that in such a short sentence?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
how classist and ableist of you

you're literally hitler

Well. He IS British.