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1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-out

Sheev bitchslaps in everything sans sabers.

Jobbing Luke gets one shotted.

Non jobbing Luke wins handily.

Lightsabers are the problem for Luke. Poor Luke is just a kid compared to Sidious, who knows, maybe Sidious taught Anakin how to slaughter children so well.

Cosinga.

Bump

Not Cosinga.

An unleashed Luke wins sabers by Vector Prime and Force/all-out by TUF or DN.

Force only: around TUF, Luke wins; in middle of NJO, it's probably either way; Vector Prime and before loses.

Sabers only: late-NR Luke wins this; Vector Prime definitely; by TUF it's 9/10.

All out: somewhere in between.

This is Dark Nest Luke.

Luke by the last book when he shits on Lomi Plo would be interesting, though Palpatine would still win.

Earlier in the series, definitely Palpatine.


I don't think Luke reaches that DE Sidious/Valkorion tier and beyond until FOTJ when he's tussling with Abeloth every other day tbh.

I'm not sure if BoDN Luke and EoDN Luke are that different.

I haven't read the trilogy in a while, but I think it's just the mentality thing, which seems to make all the difference in Star Wars. When he has to go back and watch those recordings of Anakin and Padme in order to face Lomi Plo in the last book, though maybe that was just to deal with Lomi in particular due to her unique abilities. Can't really remember, I just know he roflstomps her super quick in the end.

Originally posted by Azronger
Sheev bitchslaps in everything sans sabers.

Sheev gets bitchslapped in everything

DE Luke is already as or more formidable a combatant in sabers/force as DE Sidious.

Desann > Sidious confirmed?

Hail Desann!

What does that have to do with Luke being above Sheev?

Because Desann beat 12 ABY Luke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And 12 ABY Luke >= Sidious

I'm just kidding btw

I've found a quote stating that it was indeed Leia who allowed Luke to beat Sheev, even stating the twins combined defeated him. Which basically confirms Luke isn't doing so by himself.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I've found a quote stating that it was indeed Leia who allowed Luke to beat Sheev, even stating the twins combined defeated him. Which basically confirms Luke isn't doing so by himself.

And Sidious got amplified by the Eclipse's Dark Side nexus. So, they are "even".

I've seen you call the Eclipse a nexus many times. Can you please post a quote?

IIRC it's just Leia who states that the dark side is very strong on the Eclipse.

Yeah, because Palpatine is aboard lol..

I know...I know...

Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah, because Palpatine is aboard lol..

Palpatine is not aboard when she makes that statement, though.

And it's already been proven that Force users with strong Dark Side connections(which means people like Sidious, Nadd, et cetera) are able to slowly infuse places with Dark Side energies.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Palpatine is not aboard when she makes that statement, though.

She says that when she arrives on the Eclipse. The next page she stands before Palpatine.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Palpatine is not aboard when she makes that statement, though.

And it's already been proven that Force users with strong Dark Side connections(which means people like Sidious, Nadd, et cetera) are able to slowly infuse places with Dark Side energies.

lol. You're a retard, for real.

Let none of this distract from the fact that Luke literally bifurcates an old man

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Let none of this distract from the fact that Luke literally bifurcates an old man

He kills Valpoorion, yes.

Tenebrae is a young handsome lad

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/392175615065065726/6A56CCA5EED70A9D253028B085D083B2BDB6D628/

Very.

What? Is? This?!

Sheev in everything but sabers.