Arcann vs SOR Revan

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Haschwalth
Peak.

Go.

Total Warrior
Revan easily imo

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
SOR Revan is more akin to Outlander/Unchained Vaylin tier than Arcann tier.

AncientPower
EoKotET Outlander?

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah. Though personally I have EoKotET Outlander above Revan, and Unchained Vaylin at LEAST on par.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah. Though personally I have EoKotET Outlander above Revan, and Unchained Vaylin at LEAST on par. This is beyond dumb, Outlander gives Revan a decent fight. But to say Outlander is ABOVE him is Ludicrous, the only one from TOR era that is above Revan is Vitiate/Valkorion. No one else can touch him.

Revan's force abilities are too much for Outlander.

victreebelvictr

Jmanghan
Outlander would beat the dogshit out of Malak, in all honesty.

But he's not matching Revan, who got more and more powerful until he was ragdolling people that would have given his KOTOR iteration a good fight, and frying people into ash using Tutaminis on a dark side nexus, while also giving a good fight in single combat against one of the most powerful Sith Lord's in all of SW History.

Haschwalth
Revan was the only force user to ever give Full powered(at the time)Tenebrae a challenge in single combat.

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Haschwalth
Revan was the only force user to ever give Full powered(at the time)Tenebrae a challenge in single combat. As said, Vitiate's best quality was not his dueling skills.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

The Ellimist
but i thought revan ~ vitiate smile

Haschwalth
I can't really buy that line of scaling with what Weakened Spirit Valkorion did at the end of KOTET to The Outlander(With his body back), Weakened UC Vaylin, and Arcann.

TenebrousWay
The Outlander is hot sauce. He's at minimum Revan tier in raw power by the end of KOTET. If you assume he's lower, you'll find too many contradictions in the Vaylin, Valkorion, Revan, Outlander powerscale.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Haschwalth
I can't really buy that line of scaling with what Weakened Spirit Valkorion did at the end of KOTET to The Outlander(With his body back), Weakened UC Vaylin, and Arcann.

1. No reason to believe Vaylin was weakened

2. The fight was still ultimately Spirit Valkorion vs Spirit Outlander, Spirit Vaylin, and Spirit Arcann. Hell, when the Outlander actually uses having his mind back to his advantage, he ends the fight.

Haschwalth
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
1. No reason to believe Vaylin was weakened

2. The fight was still ultimately Spirit Valkorion vs Spirit Outlander, Spirit Vaylin, and Spirit Arcann. Hell, when the Outlander actually uses having his mind back to his advantage, he ends the fight.

1.Hmmm? not being weakened, after just fighting the Outlander?
2.Ultimately The Outlander had gained his body back, thus logically it implies his strength.

Haschwalth
Not to mention Spirit Valk Ragdolls, Physical end of Kotet outlander in to submission.
https://youtu.be/FbTdLy3xO3E?t=172
makes no sense.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Haschwalth
1. So you are admitting Valkorion, revived her force reserves? the only logical explanation, other than her being weakened.
2.Valkorion, never fully dominated the outlanders mind, as you stated he used, the holocron. was used to give HoT back full control.
3.Huh? no he hadn't hence, why he needed to attack the outlander, and knock him out, Use his force technique. Sure he was in the perfect position to complete his domination. But nothing indicates that this would of hindered the Outlanders strength, as it wasn't implied with the outlander leading up to him taking the throne. He would notice, a difference in strength otherwise,

NewGuy01
How does Jman manage to always be so wrong?

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by NewGuy01
How does Jman manage to always be so wrong? No one know, that is an issue between him... and God.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Jmanghan
Revan during SoR was only at half power..

Haschwalth
1.Looks like Valkorion is several times stronger than Vaylin, this would also logically Imply She stood no chance, in a Physical form fight. As it would be parallel. Also implies Valkorion was far weaker, when he dominated Outlander/Arcann/Vaylin.
The later option is less probable tbh, as Vaylin is around the same level as the outlander, and would of expended vast amounts of energy in battle.

2. Would disagree, as control of his mind, Would give him access to his potential. Hence why he had control of the situation. Sion and Revan are examples, of only needing the mind, with dead/inactive bodies.

3.Disagree, he also literally stops time, preventing arcann, senya from intervening. Why could he, or even need to do that, if he Has already dominated the outlanders mind. Their would of been no point in attacking the outlander either. Unless he needed to knock him out. The outlander was completely overwhelmed. "As you command", isn't a concrete indication of such. We don't know what fully occured, all we know is he got ragdolled knocked out and taken over.

Azronger
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Revan during SoR was only at half power..

Just kill yourself at this point.

Rockydonovang
IIRC, that happened after Valk shielded the Outlander from Vaylin's attack.

Rockydonovang
Actually, IIRC, it was you and Ant who pointed out that Valk had to shield the Outlander from Vaylin's original attack when I tried to argue Outlander> Vaylin

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Azronger
Just kill yourself at this point. He outright says it at the end of SoR.

Jaggarath
@Jman: SOR Revan's definitely his most powerful incarnation, but Azronger doesn't really have any room to mock other members, lol.

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