Snoke's power.

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The Merchant
Let's talk about this guy and what how strong he might be.

He is Kylo Rens master so anything Kylo knows Snoke knows so That's a given.

He dominated Rey, though new sources reveal that despite her raw power she still is inexperienced with it.

We know that Snoke knows the knowledge that Palpatine wanted to know in the Unknown Regions. With this knowledge, he was able to help the First Order survive against the "Dark things" that inhabit the UR. The UR in Disney Canon is where Force religions like the Jedi and Sith come from and knowledge has been lost since then. He is also said to be strong in the Force and a master of the dark side.

However, despite being a powerful master of the dark side and strong in the Force, his body is so broken and painful that unlike Palpatine he needs his Praetorian Guards to help him in case of violent confrontation. We caught a glimpse of that IMO when Kylo tried to fight and got struck by lightning with his Guards coming in to protect him a moment later.

We also know in his youth he was a strong warrior and he defeated legions of enemies and also that he far stronger than Vader and Palpatine thanks to his "Endless Resources" both things were said by Andy Serkis, Snokes actor. The endless resources thing can be intetpreted in a number of ways.

That's all we know on Snokes power at the moment. Palpatine apparently sensed something so powerful in the UR he actually believed it was the heart of the dark side. Originally people thought that might have been Snoke but thanks to the new novel plus how he died that might be no longer the case. The new novel being "Thrawn: Alliances" this might be connected to the dark things mentioned in the UR. We might see books talking about this post episode 9. In the novel there was this weird.species kidnapping force sensitive Chiss to try and make an army of force users. Not connected to Snoke but in case you were interested.

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Darth Thor
Originally posted by The Merchant


However, despite being a powerful master of the dark side and strong in the Force, his body is so broken and painful that unlike Palpatine he needs his Praetorian Guards to help him in case of violent confrontation. We caught a glimpse of that IMO when Kylo tried to fight and got struck by lightning with his Guards coming in to protect him a moment later.



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As for the force connection between Kylo and Rey, im not convinced he created it from scratch. Given Reys power was a Force reaction to Kylos, so it seems to me there was likely already something there.

That said, Rebels Maul seemed to have linked Obi-Wan and Ezra somehow so.... there is that.

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Darth Thor
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As for the force connection between Kylo and Rey, im not convinced he created it from scratch. Given Reys power was a Force reaction to Kylos, so it seems to me there was likely already something there.

That said, Rebels Maul seemed to have linked Obi-Wan and Ezra somehow so.... there is that. That is true, but Maul probably pulled Luke and nearly died afterwards! (sarcasm) If this was the case, Kylo and Rey would have bonded in The Force Awakens, but they didn't. Snoke created it to get Rey to come to him, he thought that Ren wasn't capable of doing it.

Galan007
I won't at all be surprised if Snoke is revealed to be a Grysk Master, tbh.


*Snoke hails from the Unknown Regions. The Grysk also hail from the Unknown Regions.

*The Grysks' physical features were left intentionally vague, but they were described as: "a wide-shouldered creature with angled brow ridges, a tapered skull, and deep-set eyes." While there was no mention of them being unusually tall like Snoke is, the other physical attributes certainly mesh with Snoke's features. Moreover, only the low-level underling Grysk were depicted in the novel -- but it was stated that they had 'Masters' that were overseeing everything that had transpired.

*Per the TLJ novelization, Snoke was intimately familiar with the Unknown Regions(along with the "terrors" that lurk within it), and was able to save the Imperial remnants that had fled there after the events of RotJ/Aftermath. The Chiss use the precog of their force-sensitive children to navigate through the UR, so perhaps the Grysk do as well... Perhaps Snoke is one of their force-sensitives -- that might explain why his psionic abilities/precog were so impressive. /shrug

*Snoke had evidently "watched the Empire rise and fall". The Grysk have been surveying the Republic/Empire since the Clone Wars, and I highly doubt they had stopped surveying it by the time the Empire fell.

*I would assume the Grysk have also been specifically surveying Palpatine and Vader in particular(especially after the events of Alliances, wherein Vader was wrecking droves of Grysk soldiers)... And that might also explain why Snoke was fangirling over Vader in TLJ.

The Merchant
I actually thought that possibly the Gyrsk themselves were the Dark things Snoke fended off but your idea works as well. I'm starting to get into the belief Snoke may be just a human, what source does it say he was Humanoid again? TFA novel? Considering how certain things got retconned I'm starting to think so. Also rough drafts in TLJ were going to reveal for hin to be human.

Galan007

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by The Merchant
I actually thought that possibly the Gyrsk themselves were the Dark things Snoke fended off but your idea works as well. I'm starting to get into the belief Snoke may be just a human, what source does it say he was Humanoid again? TFA novel? Considering how certain things got retconned I'm starting to think so. Also rough drafts in TLJ were going to reveal for hin to be human. It also states in Wookieepedia that he is a humanoid, but that is not saying much source wise. Better than nothing though. Why do you think Snoke was fending off the Gyrsk, any reasons or are you just saying that because they are one of the many, MANY forces in UR.

Mendax
Originally posted by Galan007
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But doesn't "humanoid" by it's very nature imply that Snoke is at least near human?

Galan007
Originally posted by Mendax
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But doesn't "humanoid" by it's very nature imply that Snoke is at least near human? No.

In SW, humanoid is a very broad term that simply refers to most upright/bipedal species in the mythos. Rukh, for example, is classified as humanoid, and he obviously isn't near-human.

A true 'near-human' would be a character like Dryden Vos.

victreebelvictr
He seems to me to look like a taller, less cloaked Palpatine. Are you sure that he truly is not human, let us use pure logic here.

Galan007
The TFA novelization explicitly states he is not human.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Galan007
The TFA novelization explicitly states he is not human. He looks like a taller Palpatine though, but with less cloaking.

Galan007
Just imagine if he were shorter, but with more cloaking. mmm

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Galan007
The TFA novelization explicitly states he is not human. Does it state him not being human at all, or that he isn't fully human. Can you give me the link?

Galan007
I already posted it above, dood. Use your eyes.

The Merchant
Yeah but like I mentioned the TFQ novel can be retconned like the Rey and Poe meeting as an example. Ofc I'm certain Snoke will be an alien rather than a human but the human part is still a possibility.

Zenwolf
Do you guys really care or just wanting to know just to know?

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Galan007
I already posted it above, dood. Use your eyes. I was talking about the link, but whatever.

Galan007
Originally posted by The Merchant
Yeah but like I mentioned the TFQ novel can be retconned like the Rey and Poe meeting as an example. Ofc I'm certain Snoke will be an alien rather than a human but the human part is still a possibility. It can be... But it hasn't been. As of now, the quote from TFA is perfectly valid -- Snoke is not human.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I was talking about the link, but whatever. It's not a link, it's a quote... From the novel.

The Ellimist
If they ever reveal Snoke's backstory, it should be something epic / significant to the overarching mythology.

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Galan007
It can be... But it hasn't been. As of now, the quote from TFA is perfectly valid -- Snoke is not human.

It's not a link, it's a quote... From the novel. Oh good! I will read that then! Thanks.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by The Ellimist
If they ever reveal Snoke's backstory, it should be something epic / significant to the overarching mythology.

Not really holding my breath for that.

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Galan007
If you think back to Palpatine's first two canon appearances ever, they parallel Snoke's to some degree.

-In ESB, Palpatine appeared briefly as a hologram. In TFA, Snoke appeared briefly as a hologram.
-In RotJ, Palpatine briefly appeared in the flesh and did some shit before he was killed by his apprentice. In TLJ, Snoke briefly appeared in the flesh and did some shit before he was killed by his apprentice.

When the original films were first released we knew almost nothing about Palpatine, aside from the fact that he was Vader's master and could shoot lightning from his hands. Fast-forward to now, and he has been expanded on ad nauseum, and is easily the most well-known/detailed Sith Lord in the mythos.

Same basic thing can be said about Snoke: as of now we know next-to-nothing about him -- but I have no doubt that his backstory will be expanded on in the near future. I just hope his story is done well, because it does have potential to be fantastic given the whole "hails from the Unknown Regions" thing. /shrug

victreebelvictr
It does, I like the fact that it relates so closely to Palpatine. Smoke seems to be a remake of Sidious which is the closest I am going to get of Palpatine coming back! This is obviously the best Disney morph they made to Star Wars.

Zenwolf
@Vict

It's because the way he was portrayed, it was just basically Palps 2.0 as Galan said, his death was really cheesy as well. Why do I wanna see the same thing twice?

Plus as I've tried to get into the new Disney stuff, a lot of it just doesn't interest me. Bits n pieces have my interest, but that's it and I really tried looking at it with an open mind. I'm just not holding my breath for Snoke's backstory being something huge, because....I mean come on were getting something called The Resistance...unless they get someone good on his backstory it's in the far back of my interests.

One Big Mob
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Mendax
Originally posted by Galan007
No.

In SW, humanoid is a very broad term that simply refers to most upright/bipedal species in the mythos. Rukh, for example, is classified as humanoid, and he obviously isn't near-human.

A true 'near-human' would be a character like Dryden Vos. Oh ok. Thanks!

victreebelvictr
Originally posted by Zenwolf
@Vict

It's because the way he was portrayed, it was just basically Palps 2.0 as Galan said, his death was really cheesy as well. Why do I wanna see the same thing twice?

Plus as I've tried to get into the new Disney stuff, a lot of it just doesn't interest me. Bits n pieces have my interest, but that's it and I really tried looking at it with an open mind. I'm just not holding my breath for Snoke's backstory being something huge, because....I mean come on were getting something called The Resistance...unless they get someone good on his backstory it's in the far back of my interests. Indeed, I understand and respect your perspective. I do agree that they repeat this, but I loved the character of Sidious so, I hope that they base Snoke off him, but change some of the main story lines of Snoke, everything shouldn’t be exactly the same. I do believe that his death was pathetic and that they were just trying to find a way to get rid of him. He was more powerful than everyone but Luke in the last Jedi, they had to kill him in a pathetic way. It was the only way. You know, because Luke is too scared to do it himself. They should have just kept him alive honestly.

Galan007
I do not want Snoke to just be 'Palpatine 2.0'. That's ridiculous.

He has the potential to be something wholly original in this franchise, and I hope they keep him that way. The only one who can do Palpatine is Palpatine.

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Zenwolf
So just be a Force User then, cause Palps doesn't really have any unique abilities to his own.

The Merchant
From all the info Snoke has on him, I think there is a possiblity he might be an ancient Knight of Ren or some warrior esque order from the Unknown Regions, who is interested in the Force as a whole though obviously prefers the Dark Side. He started his mission on collecting force antiquities from all orders including the Jedi and Sith some time or perhaps before the Prequel Trilogy, which also allowed hin to stumble into the Known Galaxy. He then waited for the events he might have seen through Precognition to occur and well we got what we goy.

Galan007
Snoke knew an awful lot about Palpatine and Vader, along with the Empire's superstructure. He'd been surveying them/it for a LONG time, I'd wager.

There has to be a reason why he was fangirling over Vader, and why he basically remade the Imperial military from scratch, when he could have made any style of military in existence. Hell, even the planet used as a platform for Starkiller Base was once strip-mined by the Empire for its kyber crystals. So yeah, way too many parallels here...

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
Snoke knew an awful lot about Palpatine and Vader, along with the Empire's superstructure. He'd been surveying them/it for a LONG time, I'd wager.

There has to be a reason why he was fangirling over Vader, and why he basically remade the Imperial military from scratch, when he could have made any style of military in existence. Hell, even the planet used as a platform for Starkiller Base was once strip-mined by the Empire for its kyber crystals. So yeah, way too many parallels here...

Well...or just wanting to re-tread old ground to play it safe for the fans. None of the other militaries in SW ever really deviate, always seems to be similar in one form or another.

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Galan007
I won't at all be surprised if Snoke is revealed to be a Grysk Master, tbh.


*Snoke hails from the Unknown Regions. The Grysk also hail from the Unknown Regions.

*The Grysks' physical features were left intentionally vague, but they were described as: "a wide-shouldered creature with angled brow ridges, a tapered skull, and deep-set eyes." While there was no mention of them being unusually tall like Snoke is, the other physical attributes certainly mesh with Snoke's features. Moreover, only the low-level underling Grysk were depicted in the novel -- but it was stated that they had 'Masters' that were overseeing everything that had transpired.

*Per the TLJ novelization, Snoke was intimately familiar with the Unknown Regions(along with the "terrors" that lurk within it), and was able to save the Imperial remnants that had fled there after the events of RotJ/Aftermath. The Chiss use the precog of their force-sensitive children to navigate through the UR, so perhaps the Grysk do as well... Perhaps Snoke is one of their force-sensitives -- that might explain why his psionic abilities/precog were so impressive. /shrug

*Snoke had evidently "watched the Empire rise and fall". The Grysk have been surveying the Republic/Empire since the Clone Wars, and I highly doubt they had stopped surveying it by the time the Empire fell.

*I would assume the Grysk have also been specifically surveying Palpatine and Vader in particular(especially after the events of Alliances, wherein Vader was wrecking droves of Grysk soldiers)... And that might also explain why Snoke was fangirling over Vader in TLJ.

He looks more like a Vagaari.

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