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Fight takes place in the Savage Land.

croc dies horribly....

Yeah, Croc can't compete.

croc can take a few. In the savage land, it's actually very feasible for him to ambush and drown Victor. He's also gotten some very nice feats over the years, but yeah, Creed should win 7-8/10 tbh.

Originally posted by deathslash
croc can take a few.

He really can't.

Originally posted by deathslash
In the savage land, it's actually very feasible for him to ambush and drown Victor.

Damn, if only Creed had some super senses.

Waylon is not even familiar with the Savage Land, he'd freak out and get raped by a gorilla or something.

Originally posted by deathslash
He's also gotten some very nice feats over the years, but yeah, Creed should win 7-8/10 tbh.

If we're cherry-picking, then yeah, we can find some decent ones.

But keep in mind the bad showings, too. He's always had plenty and the number has only increased.

Sabretooth completely evicerates Croc. The only version of Sabretooth that would have trouble with Croc is early Iron-Fist era Sabretooth.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Damn, if only Creed had some super senses.

Waylon is not even familiar with the Savage Land, he'd freak out and get raped by a gorilla or something.
I was unaware that Creed could smell opponents that are in the water. Also, while I'm not about to pretend that Waylon is even half the hunter that Creed is, he's snuck up on one of the best hunters in all of comics one more than a few occasions, has similarly enhanced senses, should be physically stronger than Sabretooth, and also has a fairly impressive healing factor.

Let's not pretend, Victor has gotten similarly oneshotted and three pieced by Logan and several others over the years. He just recently got his ass kicked by Deadpool even though he had a whole team backing him up....

Originally posted by deathslash
I was unaware that Creed could smell opponents that are in the water. Also, while I'm not about to pretend that Waylon is even half the hunter that Creed is, he's snuck up on one of the best hunters in all of comics one more than a few occasions, has similarly enhanced senses, should be physically stronger than Sabretooth, and also has a fairly impressive healing factor.

Let's not pretend, Victor has gotten similarly oneshotted and three pieced by Logan and several others over the years. He just recently got his ass kicked by Deadpool even though he had a whole team backing him up....

Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan and Waylon > Batman, but that advantage rarely ever works in his favour.

Yes, Logan. Croc is not close to his level.

KC is the least competent villain in DC comics (his entire career proves it), which is very surprising, considering that he's a Batman rogue.

Since you brought up the DP showing, it's only fair for me to mention that KC got destroyed by Harvey Dent in his SANE persona... all he needed was a broken bottle.

Sabretooth's claws pierced through Sinister's "Supermen", Archangel's TO wings, Cho Hulk and others. I see minced salad everywhere.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan
Sabertooth is MUCh stronger than Logan. He KOed Classic Rogue (but it was a sneak attack), he crumpled iron weights thrown at him by Psylocke, etc..

He definitely has low level superhuman strength.

As to the thread, Sabertooth destroys Killer Croc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why should he be physically stronger? Sans very few feats, his strength is nothing to speak of. Bleeding Osiris? Creed went toe to toe with Killpower. Bank vault? Vic busted through the forcefield capable of stopping a full grown elephant charge. Those are outliers. On average, Sabes is stronger than Logan and Waylon > Batman, but that advantage rarely ever works in his favour.

Yes, Logan. Croc is not close to his level.

KC is the least competent villain in DC comics (his entire career proves it), which is very surprising, considering that he's a Batman rogue.

Since you brought up the DP showing, it's only fair for me to mention that KC got destroyed by Harvey Dent in his SANE persona... all he needed was a broken bottle.

Sabretooth's claws pierced through Sinister's "Supermen", Archangel's TO wings, Cho Hulk and others. I see minced salad everywhere. I'm honestly wondering, have you kept up with any of Croc's feats?

He's shrugged off punches from and even managed to affect Zod, put Aquaman on his ass and even shrugged of punches from him, easily beat King Shark, held his own against Soloman Grundy, restrained Cyborg, holding his own against Bane, and much more. The reason behind why Croc loses against Batman is because he's going up against one of the greatest martial artists in all of comics; The same martial artist that has plot armor that's thicker and more durable than the Source Wall.

Not close to Logan's level hmm?
https://imgur.com/a/8Ha6Y

lol at Croc not being competent.

He's skilled enough that Diana takes pointers from him.
http://i.imgur.com/BgKq72I.jpg

Is smart enough that Amanda Waller outright says that he's much smarter than he pretends to be.
http://i.imgur.com/sSvotC9.jpg

As well as easily ambushing and beating down batman.
https://imgur.com/a/Ctg7K

Owning Bane:
https://imgur.com/a/uU7nC

The difference here is that the DP showing happened like a week ago. The Harvey showing was around a decade ago. You've pretty clearly let your bias color your opinion of him.

KC has healed from getting holes blown in him, getting shot in the face, getting set on fire (he was fighting very close to the surface of the sun when this happened), shrugged of heat vision and punches from Zod, shrugged of punches from Aquaman, etc.

I like Victor, I really do, but you'd have to use only Waylon's low showings to think that he can't manage at least one win in an area with so many bodies of water readily available.

Croc is too slow here. Lizard would phuck him too.

Facee... your sig...

#batdickftw

I hope mods allow you to wear it. If not, keep reposting that page in every thread

Originally posted by deathslash
I like Victor, I really do, but you'd have to use only Waylon's low showings to think that he can't manage at least one win in an area with so many bodies of water readily available.

*getting lazy*

Seems like we ought to agree to disagree on that one.

You're the first poster in this site's history who is willing to give Croc some credit.

That's okay, I like myself to advocate Rhino from time to time... but this devil is particularly bad. "Omg two bullets, the pain, the pain, gonna pass out", "French literature power up!!!", "Almost beat Catwoman, my greatest feat in 40 years".

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

*getting lazy*

Seems like we ought to agree to disagree on that one.

You're the first poster in this site's history who is willing to give Croc some credit.

That's okay, I like myself to advocate Rhino from time to time... but this devil is particularly bad. "Omg two bullets, the pain, the pain, gonna pass out", "French literature power up!!!", "Almost beat Catwoman, my greatest feat in 40 years". oh well, I can't convert everyone.

Can i at least ask that you look into a few of his new52 and rebirth feats? I feel like if you see them, you'll see a marked difference between the jobber that the forum sees him as and the genuine beast that the writers at DC habe decided to make him.

Jesus christ that banefight

Originally posted by deathslash
oh well, I can't convert everyone.

Can i at least ask that you look into a few of his new52 and rebirth feats? I feel like if you see them, you'll see a marked difference between the jobber that the forum sees him as and the genuine beast that the writers at DC habe decided to make him.

Sure. I'll "study" him more, especially the Rebirth version.

Already messed with Pr, using the Aquaman/Croc scans.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Jesus christ that banefight

One could argue he was still affected by Ivy's pheromones.

But yeah, it was a terrible showing - I guess that writer wasn't particularly fond of the "World War Bane" arc and all of Bane's achievements.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Jesus christ that banefight nobody can expect a perfect track record against an opponent. It's just a fact of life; fight someone enough times and you're bound to lose.

Hell, physically speaking, Croc was about even with venom bane before he pulled the equivalent of pulling a crowbar out of his ass and beating croc with it.
https://imgur.com/a/VbNe8


Then of course there was this fight during Knightfall were Croc's arms were still healing:
https://imgur.com/a/i9tw4

He still managed to briefly get the upper hand. So yeah, Croc has pretty consistently done well against Bane (often with bane sneak attacking or cheapshotting him first).

But yeah, I laugh every time at how Bane begs Waylon to kill him.

I appreciate your acknowledgment of Croc, people rank him strangely low.

Honestly, I put him directly under Bane, only due to the Venom.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I appreciate your acknowledgment of Croc, people rank him strangely low.

Honestly, I put him directly under Bane, only due to the Venom. honestly, it's not all that strange that people rank him so low on this forum. He does have some seriously rediculous low showings. It used to be that if you threw a rock, you'd be more likely to hit a low showing for him than you would to hit a high or even mediocre showing. It seems that most people that write the Batman family write him off as a C list joke that only exists to get Worfed (which really upset me since he was introduced as multidimensional and powerful). It's only been recently, thanks to the Suicide Squad books that he's gotten so many impressive feats back to back.

I don't mind Bane and Croc duking it out.

I mind Bane begging to be killed though lmfao.

i appreciate the croc scans. i've read some ss stuff lately and he did look better. i just see sabes on the next level up in terms of consistency and higher end feats in general. both at their best, or in a comic, i'd bet this would be a good, tough fight. the healing factor can't be denied though as a large advantage. croc can heal too, but he's not in creed's class. skill also goes to creed, and speed. maybe strength is a push but there just isn't a stat where croc has an edge here. not even in brains or experience. some of the fights would be close, but i still see this as 9-10/10 for creed in the end.

Recently, it was outright said that Creed is more powerful than Warpath. I

Not an easy task, considering Creed's superhuman durability.

Even then, you need to remember that broken neck failed to stop Creed in the past.

He'd break his teeth... just like he did when biting Aquaman, but with a bloodier result...

Creed's muscle tissue was steel-hard before his numerous upgrades, not to mention his bones.

I was just joking, but okay then.

I was being unrealistic if you would say.

Originally posted by carver9
Recently, it was outright said that Creed is more powerful than Warpath. I

Same Warpath who was stalemated by Wolverine, struggled with a normal alligator, and was beaten by Cap? I should hope so, lol.

Meanwhile, Croc as a kid was killing giant alligators

Contrast this:
http://i.imgur.com/JjLD1lU.png

With this:
https://i.imgur.com/ArDAmRf.jpg

He's had some decent feats. Is this Soultaker that he destroys?
http://i.imgur.com/SHSAlp7.jpg

Stilt brought Killpower up. Croc fights Zod:
https://imgur.com/a/SQD1d

And AM (lol).

He could restrain Cyborg, who was possessed by Eclipso:
https://i.imgur.com/tChtWS7.jpg?1

Eclipso of course, doesn't amp you - but it stops you from holding back.

Cyborg's strong enough to make Shazam bleed :
https://i.imgur.com/xhOcu4U.jpg

Eclipso/AQ again:
http://i.imgur.com/Zes9Ovs.jpg

Giant gorilla things:
https://i.imgur.com/mOfJCME.jpg

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I was just joking, but okay then.

I was being unrealistic if you would say.

Yeah, I saw the smilie

In the end, it all depends on the writer... they modify/ignore the superpowers as they desire...

But here, on the battleboards, Croc has yet to win a fight.

Hopefully, his hype grows at some point in the future.

Croc hurts Zod 😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same Warpath who was stalemated by Wolverine, struggled with a normal alligator, and was beaten by Cap? I should hope so, lol.

Meanwhile, Croc as a kid was killing giant alligators

Contrast this:
http://i.imgur.com/JjLD1lU.png

With this:
https://i.imgur.com/ArDAmRf.jpg




Gud find

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same Warpath who was stalemated by Wolverine, struggled with a normal alligator, and was beaten by Cap? I should hope so, lol.

He was getting his ass kicked till Wolverine got distracted, actually. But yeah, the end result was a stalemate.

Anyway, you should've included the bear fight in your low feat collection. And Daredevil.

@carv It was the other way round, Warpath was said to be more powerful than X-Force combined... Creed is more dangerous, if anything.

Unless Pak contradicted himself, which wouldn't be the first time.

Both have some wildly inconsistent showings, but if we were to use both of their peak, non amped versions I'd probably give Croc the size and strength advantage, but Creed has experience, a superior healing factor, and shear ferocity. Should be more than enough to give him the win.

Superior claws.

Superior speed.

Superior durability and damage soak.

Superior senses.

And so on...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eclipso of course, doesn't amp you - but it stops you from holding back. Eh? Did they change that in NuDC?

Sabes only wins cause "Mootant Puhwers" . Take that away and Croc Fatalities Him.

Originally posted by deathslash


Let's not pretend, Victor has gotten similarly oneshotted and three pieced by Logan and several others over the years. He just recently got his ass kicked by Deadpool even though he had a whole team backing him up....
That's overselling it a little. Sabretooth was mauling Deadpool, then Deadpool managed to reverse position, stab Sabes and Monet rammed Deadpool into a wall afterwards. It was definitely clumsy of Sabes, but I wouldn't say he got his ass kicked.

They basically landed hits on each other, then the fight went else where. The only "impressive" one in all this was Domino tbh, who was tooling Wade pretty hard. Even that fight didn't play out all the way though.
https://postimg.cc/CB6yhdHr
Originally posted by carver9
Recently, it was outright said that Creed is more powerful than Warpath. I
Where? Because current Warpath is supposedly stronger than the whole Weapon X line-up put together. Pak has gone to great lengths to establish that.

https://postimg.cc/N9v9NfrV
https://postimg.cc/SXMY7zjC

wow. i see a lot of feats posted for croc and explaining why he can hang with creed, while from the creed side, all i see is things like " oh he has claws and healing factor". well, that didnt stop creed from getting his ass handed to him by everyone and their grandma before you know...

^^^yeah, Croc murdelizes Creed.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Eh? Did they change that in NuDC?

Yah, it merely releases your inhibitions.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0X06zg1plqw/WH9z-XT4CKI/AAAAAAABmyk/49miN2UdIEYmSBE_sjIyTzcEba5p9mxewCLcB/s1600/12_05.jpg

Originally posted by Dareangel
well, that didnt stop creed from getting his ass handed to him by everyone and their grandma before you know...
When was this?

Originally posted by StyleTime
When was this?

Dareangel is a known troll, he was banned numerous times.

Check out his posting history, if you want.

Doing that now!

I have nothing better to do honestly.

I now see why he was banned...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Dareangel is a known troll, he was banned numerous times.

Check out his posting history, if you want.
Ah, I got ya.

Originally posted by StyleTime
When was this?

i wont consider the times he got owned by luke cage or daredevil because thats prior to his development. but, many times by gambit and in H2H as well, wolverine, mr sinister grabing and choking him with 1 arm, owned by sasquatch, basically the entire x men squad aside of archangel who doesnt really have anything useful against creed, and beast who actually gave sabretooth a nice beating when they fought in sabretooth: in the red zone. omega red recently, and basically almost anyone creed ever fought in his not too many appearences. he had nice showings vs wolverine in the past, but now he is getting one shotted by him. creed is a punching bag marvel brings when ever they feel like making the hero a self righteous prick that beats the hell out of the "psychotic maniac" type.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Dareangel is a known troll, he was banned numerous times.

Check out his posting history, if you want.

do us a favor and shut up. using the old " i dont have an answer so i will bash the other debater persona" is already out used and cringy as hell. i will throw a guess and say you are a liberal right? its just the leftist liberal flag strategy. bring something or get lost. also, my account has been banned only ones. thats probably less than most members here, probably including you. so fake news some more.

Riv - when will be your turn to show the correct time? i also like the fact its impossible to quote you...

i am pressing quote and it wont let. if there is some more advanced way to make it happen, i dont care enough to do it. its not like there is something related to quote anyway. oh right, i will now use your way to gain credibility and call you RITARD. here, i used trash talking, now the force is with me.

Its funny that he spelled RETARD wrong.

Originally posted by riv6672
Its funny that he spelled RETARD wrong.

you joking right? it was on purpose because you spelled stoopid wrong on purpose, and because your nick name is RIV, therefor RItard. i am actually artistic. you are just authistic.

I remember Wolverine stomped Sabretooth easy in Uncanny X-Force

Originally posted by Dareangel
you joking right? it was on purpose because you spelled stoopid wrong on purpose, and because your nick name is RIV, therefor RItard. i am actually artistic. you are just authistic.
So...you used my own comeback. Read my sig.

Also, you spelled AUTISTIC wrong.

Originally posted by riv6672
So...you used my own comeback. Read my sig.

i gave you another reason..

Originally posted by riv6672
Also, you spelled AUTISTIC wrong.

and you still dont get the mispelling on purpose thing.... just facepalm yourself into a wall please.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I remember Wolverine stomped Sabretooth easy in Uncanny X-Force

and that was not the only time. sabretooth became a major punching bag. not that he was captain america or anything before, but at least he posed a challenge in the past.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i gave you another reason..

Originally posted by Dareangel
and you still dont get the mispelling on purpose thing.... just facepalm yourself into a wall please.

Originally posted by Dareangel
and that was not the only time. sabretooth became a major punching bag. not that he was captain america or anything before, but at least he posed a challenge in the past.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/86/e1/fb/86e1fb893c04f16bcc6698f5723249e3--too-funny-funny-shit.jpg

Guys, stop it. There's an actual topic to be discussed.

Originally posted by Dareangel
do us a favor and shut up. using the old " i dont have an answer so i will bash the other debater persona" is already out used and cringy as hell. i will throw a guess and say you are a liberal right? its just the leftist liberal flag strategy. bring something or get lost. also, my account has been banned only ones. thats probably less than most members here, probably including you. so fake news some more.



Who hurt you?

Sabes still wins this for me, but its closer than people think.

The Lizard would stand a chance, maybe.

Waylon gets eaten alive.

Creed

Stilt told me that Croc >= Aquaman, and obviously Aquaman is > Creed, so Croc wins.

Seriously though, I dunno. My gut says Creed based on what I believed was Croc's average, but Creed's downturn in recent years can be said to hurt his average to, according to some.

If I was writing it in a comic, Creed would win after a vicious, bloody match.

Creed is written at the exact same power level as his peak. He's just getting more showings and Wolverine fans like to bloat up his previous ones.

Don't ever call me a Wolverine fan again.

Schism tore a schism in your heart bro.


But I say this from a guy who pretty much hasn't read any Sabretooth or focused on him at all, but is he really facing things that he could have laughed off in his prime outside Adamantium? The only questionable one I can think of is the Deadpool showing and that was Deadpool's best showing ever... probably. Seems he's just getting more exposure to the Marvel Universe. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If I was writing it in a comic, Creed would win after a vicious, bloody match.

You'd be one of the few writers ever to give KC a good showing, then

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't ever call me a Wolverine fan again.



--
Jones' problem is that he doesn't have a single advantage over Sabes and can't overcome his healing factor.

Okay, I am a bit disappointed that you Wolverine fans let Dareangel get away with this post. This wouldn't have happened back in the day.
Originally posted by Dareangel
i wont consider the times he got owned by luke cage or daredevil because thats prior to his development. but, many times by gambit and in H2H as well, wolverine, mr sinister grabing and choking him with 1 arm, owned by sasquatch, basically the entire x men squad aside of archangel who doesnt really have anything useful against creed, and beast who actually gave sabretooth a nice beating when they fought in sabretooth: in the red zone. omega red recently, and basically almost anyone creed ever fought in his not too many appearences. he had nice showings vs wolverine in the past, but now he is getting one shotted by him. creed is a punching bag marvel brings when ever they feel like making the hero a self righteous prick that beats the hell out of the "psychotic maniac" type.
Let's break this down my man. The first problem with your examples is that they completely ignore context, or get it wrong completely.

vs Gambit.
Ignoring massive context. Sabretooth was literally bound and gagged when Gambit "owned" him in h2h. Additionally, Gambit put him through a Danger Room session with lethal force enabled beforehand. It's literally a meaningless showing.

Their other encounter was a first strike scenario, wherein Mindee Cuckoo telepathically guided Gambit's cards into Sabretooth's mouth. Then Gambit continued to follow up. Almost no one in low meta could survive an unanswered barrage from Gambit. Even Wolverine knows to play hit-and-run when Gambit has a full deck in hand. Even still, Sabretooth was fine until Northstar showed up to finish him off.

vs Beast
This is a lie. Sabretooth had just fought Caliban, Cyclops, and Iceman. He was on the run after months of imprisonment at the X-Mansion. He escaped to a train where Beast ambushed him, and Sabretooth, in one hit, still had Beast dead to rights before Cyclops returned to save Beast's ass. Beast later fought Sabretooth with a group and still got saved by Jean once Sabretooth started to fight back.

vs Wolverine
Wolverine, one of the top martial artists and low metas in all of comics, is capable of beating Sabretooth and vice versa. What is the problem here?

vs Sasquatch
This is a lie, or at least a gross misrepresentation. Sabretooth was winning that encounter until he got snow his eyes and Sasquatch got free punches off.....that Sabretooth healed from instantly. If anything, it's just an average healing feat for Creed.

The second mistake you make is pretending certain things are low showings when they aren't.

vs Sinister
In what upside down world is losing to Sinister a bad showing? He's choked Colossus too and slapped Rogue around. Heck, the guy has shrugged off dogpiles from X-Men lineups including Rogue, Colossus, Jean, Storm, Wolverine, Dazzler, Havok etc.

vs Omega Red
As with Sinister, how is this a low showing? Omega Red drains your life force. Apart from outliers like current Monet, this would happen to most metas. You think Killer Croc would fare better in either of these scenarios?

You'll need to provide credible examples if you really want people to buy this "Sabretooth sucks" mantra you keep chanting. Sabretooth isn't starting from some massive disadvantage in this fight. It's Sabretooth at full capacity. The one that walks off punches from Hulk...
Originally posted by krisblaze
I remember Wolverine stomped Sabretooth easy in Uncanny X-Force
Wolverine went Berserker, and was tooling that entire room, albeit briefly. He was getting beat up beforehand by Sabes alone, possibly to trigger the rage.

Sabes was still conscious though. Just pinned down. Seemed like partly a high showing for Wolverine, and a partly derp showing for the others. Omega Red just stood around jacking off.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Schism tore a schism in your heart bro.


But I say this from a guy who pretty much hasn't read any Sabretooth or focused on him at all, but is he really facing things that he could have laughed off in his prime outside Adamantium? The only questionable one I can think of is the Deadpool showing and that was Deadpool's best showing ever... probably. Seems he's just getting more exposure to the Marvel Universe. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Nah, it's mostly just the dareangels of the world misrepresenting stuff. Sabretooth hasn't actually had many fights play out to completion recently, so there's not much to add that we didn't already know. People see Deadpool land a hit, the fight gets interrupted, and everyone screams "SEE, DEADPOOL STOMPS! SABRETOOTH SUCKS! TOLD YA!"

Of the fights we see play out fully, he's against folks just plain outside his power class. He's fought Weapon H, Hulk, Monet(not fully but the message was clear), etc. Not really a knock against Sabes for struggling against them.

Against Wolverine, yeah, probably the only valid one. Then again, Wolverine has been doing better against a few folks in general. Gambit, Captain America, Omega Red, etc. Maybe he just got a silent upgrade or something.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Okay, I am a bit disappointed that you Wolverine fans let Dareangel get away with this post. This wouldn't have happened back in the day.

You don't feed the troll, bro.

Replying to him just makes it worse.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Okay, I am a bit disappointed that you Wolverine fans let Dareangel get away with this post. This wouldn't have happened back in the day.

Let's break this down my man. The first problem with your examples is that they completely ignore context, or get it wrong completely.

vs Gambit.
Ignoring massive context. Sabretooth was literally bound and gagged when Gambit "owned" him in h2h. Additionally, Gambit put him through a Danger Room session with lethal force enabled beforehand. It's literally a meaningless showing.

Their other encounter was a first strike scenario, wherein Mindee Cuckoo telepathically guided Gambit's cards into Sabretooth's mouth. Then Gambit continued to follow up. Almost no one in low meta could survive an unanswered barrage from Gambit. Even Wolverine knows to play hit-and-run when Gambit has a full deck in hand. Even still, Sabretooth was fine until Northstar showed up to finish him off.

vs Beast
This is a lie. Sabretooth had just fought Caliban, Cyclops, and Iceman. He was on the run after months of imprisonment at the X-Mansion. He escaped to a train where Beast ambushed him, and Sabretooth, in one hit, still had Beast dead to rights before Cyclops returned to save Beast's ass. Beast later fought Sabretooth with a group and still got saved by Jean once Sabretooth started to fight back.

vs Wolverine
Wolverine, one of the top martial artists and low metas in all of comics, is capable of beating Sabretooth and vice versa. What is the problem here?

vs Sasquatch
This is a lie, or at least a gross misrepresentation. Sabretooth was winning that encounter until he got snow his eyes and Sasquatch got free punches off.....that Sabretooth healed from instantly. If anything, it's just an average healing feat for Creed.

The second mistake you make is pretending certain things are low showings when they aren't.

vs Sinister
In what upside down world is losing to Sinister a bad showing? He's choked Colossus too and slapped Rogue around. Heck, the guy has shrugged off dogpiles from X-Men lineups including Rogue, Colossus, Jean, Storm, Wolverine, Dazzler, Havok etc.

vs Omega Red
As with Sinister, how is this a low showing? Omega Red drains your life force. Apart from outliers like current Monet, this would happen to most metas. You think Killer Croc would fare better in either of these scenarios?

You'll need to provide credible examples if you really want people to buy this "Sabretooth sucks" mantra you keep chanting. Sabretooth isn't starting from some massive disadvantage in this fight. It's Sabretooth at full capacity. The one that walks off punches from Hulk...

Wolverine went Berserker, and was tooling that entire room, albeit briefly. He was getting beat up beforehand by Sabes alone, possibly to trigger the rage.

Sabes was still conscious though. Just pinned down. Seemed like partly a high showing for Wolverine, and a partly derp showing for the others. Omega Red just stood around jacking off.

vs gambit

problem is, gambit owned sabretooth twice in h2h. 1 time in the danger room yes, however, are you implying jumping around in the danger room made sabretooth weaker? oh right, the good old strawman of "he took a shit before the fight so he wasnt 100% power". of course, lets also ignore he has a healing factor. second fight, they were fighting in the mountains and gambit owned sabretooth with his staff by completely humiliating him.

vs beast

again the strawman of sabretooth took a shit so he wasnt 100%. sabretooth didnt fight caliban he just electrecuted him. sabretooth didnt fight cyclops and iceman all he did was avoid scotts eye beam, grab his eyes, then hit iceman and jump out of the window. dont tell me sabretooth is such a snowflake that jumping from a window = him being weaken. and once again, lets ignore his healing factor right? not that he needs his healing factor in the first place. i mean heal from what exactly? jumping out of a window? he had plenty of time to recover until he got to the subway. if anything, lets use your logic and say beast wasnt 100% also because he chased sabretooth and he doesnt have same healing factor as creed. this is just a dumb argument i am sorry my man, but it doesnt make sense.

he got surprise attacked by beast, however after that punch, he attacked beast and was getting owned during the entire fight until the end. the x men arrived and yes beast was at the recieving end at that moment, however beast did much better.
you are twisting things. jean did not save beast the second time. beast punched sabretooth making him bleed and dropping on his knees. then sabretooth jumped on beast and the both of them were falling off the building. jean contained beast in a force field preventing him from falling off the building. nothing to do with saving him from sabretooth.

vs wolverine

what is the problem? the fact recently he is ONE SHOTTING sabretooth left and right.

vs sasquatch

are you making things up? sabretooth was getting smashed by sasquatch until sasquatch just fell into his wooden trap.

vs sinister

and how is your argument changing the fact sabretooth got choked by sinister with 1 hand again? i didnt say being overpowered by sinister is a low showing, dont put words into my mouth. what i did say however, is that sabretooth is getting owned all the time. and yes, even thought sinister is a tough guy, getting treated like sabretooth did is humiliating. could at least try to fight back.

vs omega red

again, just like with mister sinister, losing to omega red isnt low, however, it was pointed out to show yet another character that owned sabretooth for his losing record. people are putting his claws + healing factor as something that is the end of all fights vs killer croc. so i am showing that his claws + healing factor, didnt prevent him from getting his ass handed to him in those situations.

i didnt say sabretooth sucks. i did say he gets his ass beat up a lot, which is the truth. he is a punching bag i am sorry. what are his wins? please, enlighten me on his great winning record, i would love to hear that.