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The following trios each separately take Luke, Jacen and Jaina's place in TUF. How far does each of them get? Pretend the second strongest has to go fight Onimi and somehow wins via Oneness/plot haxx.

They have a few months to prepare against simulations of Vong.

1. Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Kas'im
2. Revan Reborn, novel Scourge, Meetra Surik
3. The Hero of Tython, Satele Shan, The Barsen'thor
4. Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd
5. The Outlander, Vaylin, Revan
6. RotJ Vader, Dooku and Maul
7. Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Obi Wan Kenobi
8. Yoda, Palpatine, KF Vader

5 clears

Shimrra could solo, they die in few seconds. Just imagine having Bane vs. Shimrra+Slayer, Zannah vs. 7 Slayers, Kas'im vs. 7 Slayers; all over in seconds.

Honestly, Shimrra vs. Revan is the best you can get here; Scourge gets murdered in seconds against the Slayers, same with Meetra. Murderstomp.

Still not a chance.

Honestly, their abilities are configured really well against the Vongs, but their combat skill is just leagues below:
- Kun gets murdered by Shimrra, and Shimrra having like 2 Slayers as a backup protection vs. amulets and Sith spells means 0 chance for even the luckiest cheapshot;
- Ragnos vs. 6 Slayers ends in seconds;
- Nadd vs. 7 Slayers ends in seconds.


Nah, still not a chance.


Dooku and Maul can hold their own against the Slayers, but Vader gets downed by Shimrra very easily. Dooku and Maul may take some of the Slayers down, holding their own really well, but in the end they'll have Shimrra after them and it's game over. Replace Vader vs. Shimrra with any of the other two, and the result is the same. They can't win a single round, but prolly take lots of Slayers with them.


If prepped, I can see Anakin overpowering Shimrra in an amazing, insanely close fight, just barely. Mace and Kenobi vs. the Slayers should go the Jedi way via Mace's superiority over them and Kenobi's survival skills. Jedi for 7-8/10.


Yoda beats Shimrra in a good fight; Palpatine, prepped, should easily deal with half of the Slayers, same with Vader. They win 10/10.

These probably fail to even get to the slayers (should've clarified that the "final battle" is the entire raid, though maybe just confining it to vs. Shimrra and the slayers is better).



They make it to the slayers incredibly weakened, and fall to them.



They might take a lot of slayers with them but can't defeat Shimrra.



They probably make it.



They make it with greater ease than the original team did.

ah, kek, then:

1. Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Kas'im - they don't even get to the higher levels of the stairs lol


2. Revan Reborn, novel Scourge, Meetra Surik - they may make halfway to the stairs
3. The Hero of Tython, Satele Shan, The Barsen'thor - by the higher levels of the stairs, HoT is the only one alive, wounded and tired as ****, and gets killed before reaching the throne room.

4. Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd - their skillset may actually get them to the throne room, but in such a ****ed up state they get instamurdered there barely putting up a defense, Ragnos may die on the way which makes it even harder for them.

5. The Outlander, Vaylin, Revan - they probably all make it to the throne room alive, but they probably struggle to breathe and hold the sabers; they'll be too ****ed up to maintain a good effort; Shimrra walks over any duo of them, while Slayers instamurder the third. Zero chance.

6. RotJ Vader, Dooku and Maul - they definitely all make it to the throne room, but in this state, the one fighting Shimrra loses even faster; Shimrra walks over any single of them and just goes at them one after one while they struggle to survive against Slayers.

7. Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Obi Wan Kenobi - yeah, as I said, they should win.

8. Yoda, Palpatine, KF Vader - no change.

Originally posted by gold slorg
Ragnos vs. 6 Slayers ends in seconds;


How low do you rate Ragnos?

Old Republic era: above Kressh, around Sadow, below Nadd, Kun and Bane among darksiders; below Satele and Jedi protags, around Odan-Urr among Jedi; that's going overall, since we can't put a difference between sabers and Force in his case.

PT era: vastly above Unduli/Gallia, above Mundi/Tholme, slightly above Koon, around Qui-Gon, somewhat below Kolar and Ventress, below Fisto, grossly below Yaddle.

NJO era: below Corran, Kyle etc., above Tahiri, Alema Rar etc.

It's kinda difficult to place Ragnos; on the one hand Luke claims that "all Jedi everywhere will die" if he's resurrected but then he's beaten by a trainee Jaden Korr. He's like worshipped by the other ancient sith and apparently beats his terantatek bare handed and I guess has some other feats and accolades but otherwise could easily be weaker than TPM Obi Wan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's kinda difficult to place Ragnos; on the one hand Luke claims that "all Jedi everywhere will die" if he's resurrected but then he's beaten by a trainee Jaden Korr. He's like worshipped by the other ancient sith and apparently beats his terantatek bare handed and I guess has some other feats and accolades but otherwise could easily be weaker than TPM Obi Wan.

Yeah, and Luke also said he has no idea how strong or weak Ragnos could really be. The fact that he got soloed by Korr kinda says it all.

Because Ragnos' full power is going to be unleashed through someone as weak as Axmis, lmao.

Anyway, all teams clear tbh. This much prep time seals the win for anyone really.