Virtue signalling a term used by the far right to try and shame morality.

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Putinbot1
The Far-Right has two problems in its attempts on social media to break previously almost universally held concepts of morality and equality.

The first is the vernacular used to describe the far-right; once used, they are labelled as what they are and their power is removed as certain names hold a great historic power to shame.

The second is many views are almost universal even on social media, where they have through constant shaming attempted to remove sentiment and make people feel that deeply held ideas are actually not deeply held, such as equality of sex, race etc. and when moral people state this is immoral as good people should never stand by and do nothing when confronted with evil, rightists try and shame those idea's they have no answer to as virtue signalling. It isn't and equality isn't wrong.

Women, Muslims and ethnic minorities are not evil, although each group can have evil people in it. I even believe occasionally rightists can be good people, misguided, but good.

Flyattractor
What about the Lefts use of the Terms "Cuck" and "InCel" ?

What does that say about them?

Or should I just erase this and start its own thread so as not to derail this one?

I will wait for the MODS EDICT!!!!!!!

super friend
If I make an OK gesture am I racist? I should ask a brazilian.

Flyattractor
If your skin is WHITE, you don't have to worry about wondering if you are RACIST or not.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Watching the far right posters triggered is great and as I've said many times, in person I "could" easily beat you up, but in person, you would not act as you do online TI and Co. smile

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Putinbot1
smile

I love it when Pooty is at a loss for words.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Putinbot1
The Far-Right has two problems in its attempts on social media to break previously almost universally held concepts of morality and equality.

The first is the vernacular used to describe the far-right; once used, they are labelled as what they are and their power is removed as certain names hold a great historic power to shame.

The second is many views are almost universal even on social media, where they have through constant shaming attempted to remove sentiment and make people feel that deeply held ideas are actually not deeply held, such as equality of sex, race etc. and when moral people state this is immoral as good people should never stand by and do nothing when confronted with evil, rightists try and shame those idea's they have no answer to as virtue signalling. It isn't and equality isn't wrong.

Women, Muslims and ethnic minorities are not evil, although each group can have evil people in it. I even believe occasionally rightists can be good people, misguided, but good.

I disagree with you somewhat and I think you'll agree with argument. smile

Virtue Signaling - A term originally used by leftists to mock the religious conservatives especially the hypocritical Christian Evangelicals.


Just lately, the SJW crap has taken off in the last 20 years. It is a cultural explosion from the 90s ultra-politically-correct race that made the sweeps through government, education, and corporations from the 80s-90s. What we are seeing is the children of the 80s and 90s, raised with this ultra politically correct beliefs, becoming adults and these adults having children who are almost adults.

And now, due to the decades of this SJW stuff, the virtue signaling has gotten out of hand and we got Trump as a result. Trump is the backlash, the counter-culture, to this SJW virtue signaling trend. And the SJWs appear to be entrenched and difficult to change. While the younger people, the Gen Zs, are casually calling each other "nigga" all the time for no rhyme or reason. Something even my generation didn't do despite how relaxed they were.

Until the SJWs age out or change, we will keep seeing people like Trump and Kanye having a strong voice and power. People will continue to say and do counter-culture things. The anti-Politically Correct people are the modern day hippies. The counter-culture.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
The Far-Right has two problems in its attempts on social media to break previously almost universally held concepts of morality and equality.

The first is the vernacular used to describe the far-right; once used, they are labelled as what they are and their power is removed as certain names hold a great historic power to shame.

The second is many views are almost universal even on social media, where they have through constant shaming attempted to remove sentiment and make people feel that deeply held ideas are actually not deeply held, such as equality of sex, race etc. and when moral people state this is immoral as good people should never stand by and do nothing when confronted with evil, rightists try and shame those idea's they have no answer to as virtue signalling. It isn't and equality isn't wrong.

Women, Muslims and ethnic minorities are not evil, although each group can have evil people in it. I even believe occasionally rightists can be good people, misguided, but good.

Virtue signaling isn't about having morals. It's about going "HEY LOOK AT ME AND MY MORALS! DO YA SEE 'EM? THE MORALS? DO YOU SEE THEM?"

You look like a little putz if you're too stupid to get this. The same type of person who would say people upset over political correctness are just mad they can't act like pricks, when it goes beyond that.

If you want to see examples of virtue signaling just tune into any hollywood award show from the last few years.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree with you somewhat and I think you'll agree with argument. smile

Virtue Signaling - A term originally used by leftists to mock the religious conservatives especially the hypocritical Christian Evangelicals.


Just lately, the SJW crap has taken off in the last 20 years. It is a cultural explosion from the 90s ultra-politically-correct race that made the sweeps through government, education, and corporations from the 80s-90s. What we are seeing is the children of the 80s and 90s, raised with this ultra politically correct beliefs, becoming adults and these adults having children who are almost adults.

And now, due to the decades of this SJW stuff, the virtue signaling has gotten out of hand and we got Trump as a result. Trump is the backlash, the counter-culture, to this SJW virtue signaling trend. And the SJWs appear to be entrenched and difficult to change. While the younger people, the Gen Zs, are casually calling each other "nigga" all the time for no rhyme or reason. Something even my generation didn't do despite how relaxed they were.

Until the SJWs age out or change, we will keep seeing people like Trump and Kanye having a strong voice and power. People will continue to say and do counter-culture things. The anti-Politically Correct people are the modern day hippies. The counter-culture. I'd say some truth to what you say, they are a counter-culture, but more like Oi or the British Skinhead movement than Hippies because the Rightist youth have been indoctrinated with an old trick, they been given folk devils to hate. As a result, their morality has been subverted, and compassion is seen as weak. Political correctness isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the opposite, it's an agreement of basic moral boundaries replacing the codes of religion at the basic level. Thou shalt not call someone a ******, not because you'll go to hell but because the collectively accepted rules of the culture say it's wrong. Except, the kids are told you can say what you want; this, is counter to societies hidden socialisation anyway - as from the moment we are old enough we are told calling people names etc. is wrong, for obvious reasons. But if you hammer home the idea someone is below you, someone is out to get you; someone is stupid, stupid people will believe it. The Rhetoric of these kids is different to the counterculture inspired by young people finding they had freedom and money for the first time. This is more like Moseley or Enoch Powell, even dare I say it, like the Hitler youth for these people, they've been told up is down, and bad is good.

cdtm
Originally posted by Flyattractor
What about the Lefts use of the Terms "Cuck" and "InCel" ?

What does that say about them?

Or should I just erase this and start its own thread so as not to derail this one?

I will wait for the MODS EDICT!!!!!!!

You can erase threads, Fly? confused

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'd say some truth to what you say, they are a counter-culture, but more like Oi or the British Skinhead movement than Hippies because the Rightist youth have been indoctrinated with an old trick, they been given folk devils to hate. As a result, their morality has been subverted, and compassion is seen as weak. Political correctness isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the opposite, it's an agreement of basic moral boundaries replacing the codes of religion at the basic level. Thou shalt not call someone a ******, not because you'll go to hell but because the collectively accepted rules of the culture say it's wrong. Except, the kids are told you can say what you want; this, is counter to societies hidden socialisation anyway - as from the moment we are old enough we are told calling people names etc. is wrong, for obvious reasons. But if you hammer home the idea someone is below you, someone is out to get you; someone is stupid, stupid people will believe it. The Rhetoric of these kids is different to the counterculture inspired by young people finding they had freedom and money for the first time. This is more like Moseley or Enoch Powell, even dare I say it, like the Hitler youth for these people, they've been told up is down, and bad is good.

Dude write a novel about it.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
Dude write a novel about it. dur

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree with you somewhat and I think you'll agree with argument. smile

Virtue Signaling - A term originally used by leftists to mock the religious conservatives especially the hypocritical Christian Evangelicals.

Does anyone here, aside from DMB, have an issue with this?

Surtur
Christians do virtue signaling like a motherf*cka.

Surtur
One time they gave me this wine and told me it was the blood of their god...true story.

Putinbot1
That's because true Christians will try and live to a moral code.

Surtur
I was 8 when I first feasted upon the blood of a deity. Good times.

Putinbot1
I'm a total atheist but I have no problem other people believing what they want as long as it doesn't affect me.

cdtm
Either that, or they're simply good people who happen to be christian.

As I've lost more relatives and family, I've heard more widowed husbands admit they only attended services for their wives sake. The afterlife, for them,
a comfortable myth.

Pretty sad hearing your grandfather tell you that, after losing his beloved.

But he is a good man. He lost more money giving near strangers handouts, so they could buy groceries.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'm a total atheist but I have no problem other people believing what they want as long as it doesn't affect me.

How do you feel about adults pressuring an 8 yr. old to drink the blood of a deity?

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Does anyone here, aside from DMB, have an issue with this?
I actually don't have a problem with it.

A decent part of Jesus's ministry was spent calling out the Pharisees for virtue signaling. He even told a parable where he was calling out the person praying to God spending the entire prayer virtue signaling about how much better they are than everyone else.

The Hunchback of Notre Dame actually had a decent characterization of that with Frollo.

Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I'm going to speak out in the defense of the behavior of all Christians, or the Church, when they do something I disagree with on a principle level.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
How do you feel about adults pressuring an 8 yr. old to drink the blood of a deity? Well clearly that affects me, because I find it disgusting, oh you mean drink wine and eat wafers... No probs at all.

cdtm
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Well clearly that affects me, because I find it disgusting, oh you mean drink wine and eat wafers... No probs at all.

A sip won't hurt anyone.

Now, giving pure horse raddish to an eight year old, that should be child abuse (My god, did it hurt.)

dadudemon
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'd say some truth to what you say, they are a counter-culture, but more like Oi or the British Skinhead movement than Hippies because the Rightist youth have been indoctrinated with an old trick, they been given folk devils to hate. As a result, their morality has been subverted, and compassion is seen as weak. Political correctness isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than the opposite, it's an agreement of basic moral boundaries replacing the codes of religion at the basic level. Thou shalt not call someone a ******, not because you'll go to hell but because the collectively accepted rules of the culture say it's wrong. Except, the kids are told you can say what you want; this, is counter to societies hidden socialisation anyway - as from the moment we are old enough we are told calling people names etc. is wrong, for obvious reasons. But if you hammer home the idea someone is below you, someone is out to get you; someone is stupid, stupid people will believe it. The Rhetoric of these kids is different to the counterculture inspired by young people finding they had freedom and money for the first time. This is more like Moseley or Enoch Powell, even dare I say it, like the Hitler youth for these people, they've been told up is down, and bad is good.

I can't really disagree with you so you make a good argument.

The difference between these anti-PC people and the hippies:

The hippies were preaching a message of individual choice, love, and peace.

The anti-PC peeps are preaching a message of "let me hate and stop trying to silence my hate."


Both are about freedom, yes. But one is hate and one is love.


Since I'm a filthy hippie, can't say I resonate with the people who want to use the n-word and not get sanctioned for it.

Silent Master
Anti-PC encompasses more than just people that want to use the N word. hell, even Bill Maher is anti-PC.

Surtur
Originally posted by Silent Master
Anti-PC encompasses more than just people that want to use the N word. hell, even Bill Maher is anti-PC.

Yeah I'm not sure why it's complicated lol, being anti PC isn't automatically about wanting to be "hateful" and have people not say anything about it.

This day and age just going "we don't live in a rape culture" could be seen as some as not being PC. I'd love an explanation as to how that is hateful.

Wait: an explanation by someone who is sane. Not some crazed feminist who feels acknowledging facts is hateful.

In the end no: being anti-pc is not about wanting to be a dick and have nobody say anything about it.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Silent Master
Anti-PC encompasses more than just people that want to use the N word. hell, even Bill Maher is anti-PC.

True.

I was overgeneralizing because I was being sassy.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah I'm not sure why it's complicated lol, being anti PC isn't automatically about wanting to be "hateful" and have people not say anything about it.

This day and age just going "we don't live in a rape culture" could be seen as some as not being PC. I'd love an explanation as to how that is hateful.

Wait: an explanation by someone who is sane. Not some crazed feminist who feels acknowledging facts is hateful.

In the end no: being anti-pc is not about wanting to be a dick and have nobody say anything about it. Any PC usually means they are confusing it with Health and Safety legislation.

samhain
Originally posted by dadudemon
Both are about freedom, yes. But one is hate and one is love.


True freedom for all means freedom for the hateful to be hateful.

Even though I consider myself liberal and easy going, I do find some of my beliefs about where society should go stray into Orwellian territory at times, which gives me a chuckle and then I'm right back to being easy going. It's fun finding out where the edges are.

Surtur
Originally posted by dadudemon
True.

I was overgeneralizing because I was being sassy.

For example some would say "illegal immigrant" is not PC, and yet it's not inherently a hateful thing to say.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Surtur
For example some would say "illegal immigrant" is not PC, and yet it's not inherently a hateful thing to say.

That is not the point. Semantics frame how we think. Choosing language that is not neutral prejudices the discussion. It poisons the well. And as has been explained to you before, the term is not even correct.

Emperordmb
Neutral language ftw. We should stop using the term murder because it clearly has a negative rather than neutral connotation, we should instead use "the ending of someone else's life not in self-defense"

Emperordmb
Also when people talk about illegal immigration, I'm pretty sure most of them are arguing in the context of people who are not legally allowed to be here, not in the context of whatever UN refugee law you can pull up that applies to the vast vast minority of "undocumented" immigrants.

ArtificialGlory
I've heard that apparently Mormons, of all people, use this phrase.

dadudemon
Originally posted by samhain
True freedom for all means freedom for the hateful to be hateful.

I agree and I hold that position. But that is not what the Hippies were after.

Robtard
The people who become Trumpers were just sick and tired of being made to feel bad about their racism and bigotry after 8 long years of Obama in the White House. Now they feel like they can truly be themselves again.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Neutral language ftw. We should stop using the term murder because it clearly has a negative rather than neutral connotation, we should instead use "the ending of someone else's life not in self-defense"

How can you Strawman if you haven't got a brain?

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
The people who become Trumpers were just sick and tired of being made to feel bad about their racism and bigotry after 8 long years of Obama in the White House. Now they feel like they can truly be themselves again. Bingo!

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How can you Strawman if you haven't got a brain? I don't dislike DMB, but in this case BINGO!

janus77
Virtue signalling is the preoccupation of people without virtues or values.


Or any dignity and honesty.

Basically it's like tweeting out to the world that you're a massive egotistical **** and you are sooooo special.

DarthPlaguis12
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is not the point. Semantics frame how we think. Choosing language that is not neutral prejudices the discussion. It poisons the well. And as has been explained to you before, the term is not even correct.

Correct term is illegal alien

Flyattractor
You mean those Lovable Undocumented Migrants?

DarthPlaguis12
Originally posted by Robtard
The people who become Trumpers were just sick and tired of being made to feel bad about their racism and bigotry after 8 long years of Obama in the White House. Now they feel like they can truly be themselves again.

Many blacks, Mexicans and woman support trump....I myself and Hispanic and support trump are we all racist and sexist ?

Then again your sides the one calling blacks who support Tru,p Token Negros and woman for trump cu nts

DarthPlaguis12

Flyattractor
You are probably one of those "White Hispanics" Obama talked about.

Robtard
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Many blacks, Mexicans and woman support trump....I myself and Hispanic and support trump are we all racist and sexist ?

Then again your sides the one calling blacks who support Tru,p Token Negros and woman for trump cu nts

Stop your lies, TI. Just stop.

DarthPlaguis12

DarthPlaguis12

Robtard
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop your lies, TI. Just stop.

DarthPlaguis12
Trump also won my county in Texas, Webb county, highly Hispanic, are we all racist?

Are all the blacks that the left calls Token racist?

Robtard
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop your lies, TI. Just stop.

DarthPlaguis12

Robtard
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop your lies, TI. Just stop.

DarthPlaguis12
Trump also won my county in Texas, Webb county, highly Hispanic, are we all racist?

Are all the blacks that the left calls Token racist?

Waiting robtard smile

DarthPlaguis12
Still waiting laughing

Robtard
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop your lies, TI. Just stop.

BackFire
The term Virtue Signaling doesn't really have much of a meaning anymore. It may have at one point, but like many other terms co-opted by the right to use as a buzz term/dimwitted insults, like politically correct or social justice warrior, it means nothing now. At this point the term virtue signaling just means a person presenting an argument or idea that makes them seem like they might be a decent person, which upsets the right now, for some reason. Just like politically correct can mean anything from people trying to ban controversial speech to just thinking you should not be an ******* to people for no reason. As soon as stupid people attempted to weaponize these words, they lost much of their meaning and their value.

DarthPlaguis12
Originally posted by Robtard


Trump also won my county in Texas, Webb county, highly Hispanic, are we all racist?

Are all the blacks that the left calls Token racist?

Waiting robtard smile

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Trump also won my county in Texas, Webb county, highly Hispanic, are we all racist?

Are all the blacks that the left calls Token racist?

Waiting robtard smile

You're all retards.

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You're all retards.

Well that was a very Racist and UnPC comment.

Putinbot1
TI, Fly and XYZ the Paedo

Trocity
Rob, as usual, has no argument.

Robtard
You came here at 3:01am just to whine about me? Lolz. I'm in your head 24/7 rent free, bucko.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Trocity
Rob, as usual, has no argument. Do you ever contribute? Rhetorical.

Robtard
Trumpers never do.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Trumpers never do. Just rage and their feelings.

Robtard
Look how they flipped out when they were called "deplorables". Emotions. Emotions. Emotions.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Look how they flipped out when they were called "deplorables". Emotions. Emotions. Emotions. Trocity will only appear rarely because is way too cowardly to try to debate anything just a snipe by.

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