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Revan scales above people who can cause geomagnetic pulses. How can Sheev ever hope to compete?

Can you even fathom what the consequences of that feat are?

Even if we ignore all the calcs, exertions of the Force that have caused extremely destructive effects that wrap to the other side of the planet significantly trump vague "pulses" from an attack that doesn't even damage houses.

lmao wtf ^

I'm pretty sure Ell just threw together words and hoped it made sense.

Revan is a pulsar confirmed.

I'm pretty sure that Az can made a convincing case for Revan destroying DE godwanksheev.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm pretty sure Ell just threw together words and hoped it made sense.

You're welcome to try to quantify the "pulses" delivered in Ziost relative to force storms. Or are you just going to respond by yet again vaguely gloating about this uber-secret totally not fabricated evidence you just won't bother to overwhelm our minds with? Do you actually have any idea what you're talking about, or did you just rhetorically ask whether Azronger could "fathom" it and avoid actually answering because you knew you had absolutely no idea?

Force storms are on record literally being able to *tear the surfaces off of worlds*. We're talking about something that makes every extinction event in Earth's history put together look like child's play. That shouldn't be surprising - it's literally a moving wormhole. If Sidious wanted to match Ziost's "go into the planet", he could just literally drill through the core with them. What, is rock going to slow the wormhole down? We also see force storms annihilating an entire fleet of warships, including the Eclipse, the bigger brother of the Executor, which in addition to having the power output of a medium star, withstood three ISD's accidentally hyperspace ramming it. A single vessel accidentally doing the same to a planet's core essentially wrecked the entire planet (ICSII). Likewise, it's stated that an ISD's single jump to hyperspace consumes more energy than most planetary civilizations will in their lifetimes - and force storms can teleport entire fleets through seemingly far more energetic hyperspace wormholes. The two events aren't remotely on the same order of magnitude in terms of energy output.

it's a very logical conclusion tbh

@MrAnt

* full potency

That storm was targeted at luring Luke, not instakilling him.

A single Acclamator troop transport can turn a planetary surface to molten slag (base delta zero) in a matter of hours, but couldn't do jack against an Eclipse's shields in the same timespan. The force storm just swallows the eclipse immediately, which isn't too surprising given that Sidious is basically creating and rapidly moving massive singularities.

Obviously the sourcebook would be referring to the events of the comic it's covering, not randomly inventing new information when it's already very close to the content shown. IIRC, it notes how Force storms can rip the surface off worlds or consume fleets, both of which Palpatine "does" in the comic.

Yeah. Just looked in the text: "Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds."

This is the Dark Empire Sourcebook, chronicling the events, characters, and powers of Dark Empire. To explain the powers of the Force storm, they cite that it can a.) "swallow whole fleets of traships" or b.) "tear the surface off worlds." Part a refers to the fleet Palpatine consumed at the end of Dark Empire. Part b logically refers to the surface of Coruscant that Palpatine razed at the start of Dark Empire. Like I said, it's far more likely the Dark Empire Sourcebook would relay the information already shown rather than present something significantly new, unless you think it's just a coincidence everything seems to line up.

I still don't get why the buildings were intact if the whole thing's supposed to be so destructive? How can you even compare such a feat to wormholes that destroy everything they touch. They're not only more destructive, but Sheev can also do a lot more with them. This is embarrassing.

The TOR side (and AP) are trying to use Az' logic against him, but they're failing at it, while legitimizing his wank.

I'm going to ignore the asinine rant by Ell and just put it like this. 'Vitiate' releasing that death wave caused pulses inpertuity in the magnetic field generated by the planet. Such pulses tend to be generated prior to quakes and such. Whatever exact effect it had, that death wave clearly had enough of a side effect to mess with the energy generated by Ziost's outer core. Thus the orbital station went berserk.

So not only can Tenebrae's spirit devastate the surface of a planet, it actually causes enough effect on the energy generated by the outer core that it pulses beneath the surface and has rather incredible effects on magnetic energy.

@Sinious, there was nothing left standing on Ziost though. In fact there were fissures ripped into the surface of the planet deep enough to allow sub-surface probes to pass through.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Yeah. Just looked in the text: "Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds."

This is the Dark Empire Sourcebook, chronicling the events, characters, and powers of Dark Empire. To explain the powers of the Force storm, they cite that it can a.) "swallow whole fleets of traships" or b.) "tear the surface off worlds." Part a refers to the fleet Palpatine consumed at the end of Dark Empire. Part b logically refers to the surface of Coruscant that Palpatine razed at the start of Dark Empire. Like I said, it's far more likely the Dark Empire Sourcebook would relay the information already shown rather than present something significantly new, unless you think it's just a coincidence everything seems to line up.

The DE sourcebooks contained plenty of boasts about power levels that went beyond what was immediately in the actual material. A force storm far from full potency and targeted at luring Luke in no means has to align with what it can do. It's also further corroborated:

- Luke writes that force storms have the power to destroy worlds

- The storm is swallowing entire fleets of warships capable of tanking their own firepower that is in turn capable of performing base delta zeroes

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'm going to ignore the asinine rant by Ell and just put it like this. 'Vitiate' releasing that death wave caused pulses inpertuity in the magnetic field generated by the planet. Such pulses tend to be generated prior to quakes and such. Whatever exact effect it had, that death wave clearly had enough of a side effect to mess with the energy generated by Ziost's outer core. Thus the orbital station went berserk.

So not only can Tenebrae's spirit devastate the surface of a planet, it actually causes enough effect on the energy generated by the outer core that it pulses beneath the surface and has rather incredible effects on magnetic energy.


You're bluffing (again). Please more concretely explain why these "incredible" effects are more potent than force storms just because they affect a planet's magnetic fields (which, like, solar storms do to measurable amounts from tens of millions of km's away).

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The DE sourcebooks contained plenty of boasts about power levels that went beyond what was immediately in the actual material.

Like what? And even if they do for other powers, that doesn't speak to this quote.



I never said that's the full power of Force storms. I said you're using a quote that doesn't mean what you think it means.

Feel free to come to the same conclusion via other means, however.



Luke says it can "kill" worlds, not destroy, lmao. This comment can easily fall under the ravaging of a surface, not outright surface rippoing.



That seems like a separate argument that's irrelevant to the quote.

Sidious

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Like what? And even if they do for other powers, that doesn't speak to this quote.


Oh come on, just read the Super Respect Thread and search for "Dark Empire Sourcebook".



So because Sidious used a softball Force storm on a planet, and it (gasp!) affected the surface, this must mean that any general reference to the storms' ability to damage surfaces must be only to the magnitude of that one instance even though it clearly doesn't match what you'd think the language would actually mean? If an AotC sourcebook says Dooku's lightning can turn people to ash, does this mean it must be referring to him lightning-ing Anakin and it's just hyperbole?

BTW, let's take the final force storm in DE and put it on a planet. That storm was many kilometers wide and even longer - just what would it do to a surface, even if you assume it has zero collateral damage beyond what it physically contacts? Wouldn't it be tearing multi-kilometer deep holes into planetary surfaces, while moving far faster than the wave we see in Ziost?



Not really - if other sources corroborate my interpretation of the quote, it makes it more likely that it's a correct one.

This is the type of fight where two children from special needs school (not even European special needs school, Mexican one) fight each other with random items collected from the backyard and it's only a debate about who accidentally grips the item the wrong side and stabs himself in the eye.

I don't know who's more retarded, Palpatine with his Force Storms and the entire idiotic rule over Galactic Empire and the most idiotic war doctrine ever, or Revan, who just can't stop switching sides every 10 years.