Plo Koon vs. Ki-Adi-Mundi vs. Shaak Ti

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|King Joker|

|King Joker|
*chance, lmfao

carthage
Bane dies

RealistRacism
These characters are all trash, like you thumb up

|King Joker|
damn you wasted no time LMFAOOO

TheIndyJedi
Possibly Mundi.

TheIndyJedi
Actually Plo

The Ellimist
Probably Shaak Ti

BestDebaterEver
Torn between Koon or Mundi.

DarthDuelist9
Koon takes it

DarthCaedus78
Plo Koon might actually be the most overrated character in SW.

Very few characters win battles based off such lackluster feats. Exhausted Mundi has this.

|King Joker|
Reasons, guys?

Beelzebub
Koon.

DarthCaedus78
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Reasons, guys?

Compare :

Exhausted Mundi against Grievous

Exhasuted Ti against Grievous

Koon with... what noteworthy feats again?


The competition might be decent, but that doesn't mean the victor isn't clear.

|King Joker|

CactusJoe
Originally posted by DarthCaedus78
Plo Koon might actually be the most overrated character in SW.

Very few characters win battles based off such lackluster feats. Exhausted Mundi has this.
And yet he has better feats than both Mundi and Ti. In fact, I fail to remember any feats from Mundi at all, besides a mediocre TK feat and losing to Grievous. Plo has displayed far more Force mastery than both of them and competed well against Ventress twice. He wins in a good fight.

DarthCaedus78
Quoting isn't working on this broken site.

The type of physical and mental ebb Mundi experienced v Grievous is the type that can lower a seasoned Jedi Master a tier. On top of that, he's among the first to ever ever experience the cyborgs sporadic style - three lightsabers with spinning joints and vertebrates.

Comparatively Koon's inconclusive fights with Ventress are under better circumstances and Savage was still green when he ripped Koon a literal new one.

CactusJoe
Originally posted by DarthCaedus78
Quoting isn't working on this broken site.
Your mum is working my penis.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus78
The type of physical and mental ebb Mundi experienced v Grievous is the type that can lower a seasoned Jedi Master a tier.
What point are you even making here?

Originally posted by DarthCaedus78
On top of that, he's among the first to ever ever experience the cyborgs sporadic style - three lightsabers with spinning joints and vertebrates.
Which will help him against 2 non-cyborgs exactly how?

Originally posted by DarthCaedus78
Comparatively Koon's inconclusive fights with Ventress are under better circumstances and Savage was still green when he ripped Koon a literal new one.
Better circumstances? In one of them Plo had a broken arm. Conversely, Ki-Adi had half a dozen Jedi with him and still failed to present a challenge to Grievous. Savage beating Plo is just a good feat for Savage. He would beat Ki-Adi as well.

DarthCaedus78
Originally posted by CactusJoe
Your mum is working my penis.

Because it doesn't work by itself, you dirty Turk?




That Mundi is at least a tier weaker than his rested self.

Having been physically exhausted and having witnessed the death of many a friend in the fight. This is a severe hinderance to him given that Luke Skywalker thought himself so much weaker under similar stresses that he was not only below Katarn, but actually on the same level Cihgal when fatigued himself. You apply the same standard to Mundi and you have someone who can compete with Grievous, and is shitting on Koon when at full strength.




Given that Grievous shits on Ventress... and has shat on Ventress in the CW comics, it helps him a lot. It shows that he could perform well fighting an unfamiliar style at a disadvantage. Grievous' style was unknown to the Jedi, yet the cyborg had a photographic in-and-out knowledge of classic Jedi forms, Such as Mundi's Ataru. On the other hand, Koon has a form advantage against Ventress. The comparison isn't even




Indeed.



Which means next to nothing based on the fact he 1) hadn't lost use of his dominant arm 2) Is never seen weilding the saber with two hands 3) Can generate more momentum with a single hand alone by having a less restrictive arc of movement, which is the whole point of Djem So. Comparatively Mundi's shit condition against Greivous is enough to push him beyond Koon's performance here.




His team mates didn't add anything to the frey as they were uncoordinated dummies for Grievous' sabers. This isn't unique to group fights either ; compare Mace to his comrades against Sidious. On the other hand, there was a largely off-panel segment where Mundi fought Grievous alone, we can see he lasted for more than a quick 3-blow exchange given that his clothes are more ruined when scene cuts back to him.



Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. What is clear however, is that mundi presents a better challenge to Savage than Koon ever did.

Geistalt
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Probably Shaak Ti RotS Shaak Ti doesn't take this.

gold__slorg
ti is trash

koon has better feats than mundi

Geistalt
I thought Ti was a drink with jam and bread.

DarthCaedus78
Originally posted by Geistalt
I thought Ti was a drink with jam and bread.

Geistalt of Gehenna ladies and gents.

Emperordmb
Well then, I think dueling will be the most pertinent factor here, so I will take a look at that first.

Plo Koon's main feats to speak of are his duel with Asajj Ventress where he had a broken arm and managed to disarm her of one of her blades though he got pushed to a wall, as well as his duel with Savage Opress where he drove him into a defensive stance and landed some glancing blows with the aid of some clone troopers, then controversially got his mask ripped off by Savage either through his own failings or distraction (which is a point of debate).

Ki Adi Mundi's main shit is dueling Grievous while exhausted and looking the most impressive out of the duelists on Hypori, and dueling Ventress (which regrettably I can't find so I'm a little shaky on it).

Shaak Ti's main shit is her magnaguard feat, where she fought off a lot of magnaguards.

So as far as rank ordering them as duelists, I don't think Shaak Ti has enough to substantiate her superiority to Mundi or Koon. A comparison drawn between the magnaguards Shaak Ti fought and the ones that gave Anakin and Obi-Wan difficulty falls completely flat, seeing as the other magnaguards shown in that assault were matched by Jedi Grievous literally one-shotted, and were summarily blitzed by Kit Fisto. Magnaguards vary in their capacity so this is not the best comparison. I don't think it's a feat that quite holds up to contending with someone like Ventress or Grievous or Savage.

Now as for Mundi and Koon, I'd have to give the edge there to Koon, a lot of the fights in question were circumstantial one way or the other, but Plo Koon managed to perform quite admirably against Ventress with a broken arm as a Form V specialist and even disarm her of one of her blades. Mundi's performance against the good general on Hypori and his duel with Ventress however are impressive and still seem to put him above Shaak as a duelist.

Then as far as force abilities go, I'm tempted to say the same thing. Plo Koon telekinetically contending with Asajj Ventress, what with hurling her detonator away from her and then hurling her impresses me the most out of anything the three here have done, though Ki Adi Mundi's feat of pulling the skiff out of the sand is also decent and puts him at number two here. Sadly since this is not TFU Shaak her own force abilities don't quite measure up here.

So really I'd say Plo Koon has the best shot at winning this, followed by Ki Adi Mundi, and Shaak Ti has the least chance of victory.

Shaak Ti just doesn't really have the feats to stack up as an equal to either of these combatants as of Revenge of the Sith, I think either of their duels with Ventress are more impressive than Shaak Ti's magnaguard feat, and as of this point she just doesn't really have any super impressive telekinetic feats that aren't aided by other force users.

Plo Koon to me seems like the clear winner given his fight with Asajj Ventress where he was able to disarm her of one of her weapons with a broken arm, and telekinetically beat her around some.

Beelzebub
Yeet

Emperordmb
It might be worth addressing the free for all rather than 1v1 dynamic of this fight, since some might think that gives Shaak enough of a situational advantage to make up the difference and win, I don't think it does.

Her fellow Jedi know her, they know she'll be up to something, and I really don't think she'll be able to pull one over on the others well enough to take the most probable chance of winning. Plo Koon doesn't strike me as the guy who would stand there and let his cape get tied up if you know what I mean, Plo's shown a lot of situational awareness in his encounters with people like Ventress and Aurra Sing, not falling for their tricks and exploiting the environment or their openings to his advantage. Plus he's a rather conservative fighter, not really flashy or flamboyant so I don't really see Shaak getting the edge on him.

So really I don't think her legendary cunning will amount to very much here. Maybe some cunnilingus in the aftermath, but that's a different story.

WorstDebater
Koon in a good fight.

TheIndyJedi
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well then, I think dueling will be the most pertinent factor here, so I will take a look at that first.

Plo Koon's main feats to speak of are his duel with Asajj Ventress where he had a broken arm and managed to disarm her of one of her blades though he got pushed to a wall, as well as his duel with Savage Opress where he drove him into a defensive stance and landed some glancing blows with the aid of some clone troopers, then controversially got his mask ripped off by Savage either through his own failings or distraction (which is a point of debate).

Ki Adi Mundi's main shit is dueling Grievous while exhausted and looking the most impressive out of the duelists on Hypori, and dueling Ventress (which regrettably I can't find so I'm a little shaky on it).

Shaak Ti's main shit is her magnaguard feat, where she fought off a lot of magnaguards.

So as far as rank ordering them as duelists, I don't think Shaak Ti has enough to substantiate her superiority to Mundi or Koon. A comparison drawn between the magnaguards Shaak Ti fought and the ones that gave Anakin and Obi-Wan difficulty falls completely flat, seeing as the other magnaguards shown in that assault were matched by Jedi Grievous literally one-shotted, and were summarily blitzed by Kit Fisto. Magnaguards vary in their capacity so this is not the best comparison. I don't think it's a feat that quite holds up to contending with someone like Ventress or Grievous or Savage.

Now as for Mundi and Koon, I'd have to give the edge there to Koon, a lot of the fights in question were circumstantial one way or the other, but Plo Koon managed to perform quite admirably against Ventress with a broken arm as a Form V specialist and even disarm her of one of her blades. Mundi's performance against the good general on Hypori and his duel with Ventress however are impressive and still seem to put him above Shaak as a duelist.

Then as far as force abilities go, I'm tempted to say the same thing. Plo Koon telekinetically contending with Asajj Ventress, what with hurling her detonator away from her and then hurling her impresses me the most out of anything the three here have done, though Ki Adi Mundi's feat of pulling the skiff out of the sand is also decent and puts him at number two here. Sadly since this is not TFU Shaak her own force abilities don't quite measure up here.

So really I'd say Plo Koon has the best shot at winning this, followed by Ki Adi Mundi, and Shaak Ti has the least chance of victory.

Shaak Ti just doesn't really have the feats to stack up as an equal to either of these combatants as of Revenge of the Sith, I think either of their duels with Ventress are more impressive than Shaak Ti's magnaguard feat, and as of this point she just doesn't really have any super impressive telekinetic feats that aren't aided by other force users.

Plo Koon to me seems like the clear winner given his fight with Asajj Ventress where he was able to disarm her of one of her weapons with a broken arm, and telekinetically beat her around some.

I agree. I think people lowball Plo due to his fight against Savage Opress, but forget that the likes of Count Dooku and Anakin and Obi Wan were struggling against Savage's sheer strength

TheIndyJedi
What if it was TFU Shaak instead?

Geistalt
Then she might stand a chance. Plo Koon still might win, though.

TenebrousWay
Koon takes it.

Lord Stark
Koon wins, TFU Shaak Ti would win though.

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