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But he said all women should be believed. So who do we believe now, the porn star lawyer or the woman whose face is all messed up?

Keep in mind these allegations are not from high school 40 years, they are from this week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/11/15/michael-avenatti-domestic-abuse-women-violence-column/2011527002/

He still wants to run for President as well, but he has said numerous times paying stormy daniels $130k makes Trump a disgrace and should resign but still wants to run for president after being arrested for felony domestic assault.

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. I think his fall from grace is unfortunate but he really has just turned out to be a sleazy ambulance chasing lawyer.

He wants due process but he didn't want any for Kavanaugh.

His Client, Stormy Daniels might fire him and Alyssa Milano a centerpiece of the #metoo movement has already disavowed him.

It's not just him...plenty on the left pulled this "gotta believe all women" bullshit. Plenty of democrats came out and said they believed Christine Ford despite no evidence or investigation.

If we apply the standards of the left to this...then nah Avenatti should not be believed.

Should we allow him due process? Yes. Though I will point out his bail was set at 50 grand. You'd think they would need some sort of legit reason to set bail at that level(some people are saying this is a conservative conspiracy plot)

Originally posted by Surtur
It's not just him...plenty on the left pulled this "gotta believe all women" bullshit. Plenty of democrats came out and said they believed Christine Ford despite no evidence or investigation.

If we apply the standards of the left to this...then nah Avenatti should not be believed.

Should we allow him due process? Yes. Though I will point out his bail was set at 50 grand. You'd think they would need some sort of legit reason to set bail at that level(some people are saying this is a conservative conspiracy plot)

So weird how the media isn't following up with this and the #metoo movement.

I don't need to know this.

Let detectives get on with their work investigating

Lab folk get on with verifying evidence.

Originally posted by shiv
I don't need to know this.

Let detectives get on with their work investigating

Lab folk get on with verifying evidence.


Cnn covered this the moment it was reported.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So weird how the media isn't following up with this and the #metoo movement.

Hell NBC had evidence that Julie Swetnick's story had holes and they sat on that evidence for a month lol. Did not release it until Grassley recommended charges against Swetnick. Avenatti himself was told about the holes in her story, but continued to insist she was telling the truth anyways lol.

NBC tried to claim they sat on the story cuz they didn't think people would care since the confirmation was over. The problem was they'd actually discovered the holes in her story before the confirmation lol.

If people wanna say the media are not the enemy of the american people fine, but they sure as hell are not the allies of us either...they do not have our best interests at heart they have their agendas.

Originally posted by shiv
I don't need to know this.

Let detectives get on with their work investigating

Lab folk get on with verifying evidence.

100% /agreed he does deserve due process.

That said ha ha ha ha har de har

Originally posted by snowdragon
100% /agreed he does deserve due process. So we all agree. Good.

Originally posted by shiv
I don't need to know this.

Let detectives get on with their work investigating

Lab folk get on with verifying evidence.

Yeah, but we didn't need to know Trumps dad marched with the KKK or whatever yet there is a topic here about it nonetheless.

Originally posted by snowdragon
100% /agreed he does deserve due process.

Yep, if only the left felt the same about due process. Some of them of course do not. Example: them whining that Betsy Devos changed Title IX rules to allow someone accused of rape to question their accuser.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yep, if only the left felt the same about due process. Some of them of course do not. Example: them whining that Betsy Devos changed Title IX rules to allow someone accused of rape to question their accuser.

Sure but why carry on with it, rise above the turd line.

Give him his space, let the legal system work and hopefully, he isn't harassed nonstop to mess up his life and his families while this process occurs.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Sure but why carry on with it, rise above the turd line.

Give him his space, let the legal system work and hopefully, he isn't harassed nonstop to mess up his life and his families while this process occurs.

If their hypocrisy isn't highlighted it increases the chances of their behavior not changing.

Avenatti needs due process. I am glad my fellow kickers all support this. Here, here.

Originally posted by Surtur
If their hypocrisy isn't highlighted it increases the chances of their behavior not changing.

Acknowledging a behavior that needs to be addressed is important, hanging on that issue causes problems.

I hated how Kavanaugh was treated and I certainly wouldn't want the same thing to happen to Avanetti because its the opposite of who we should be as Americans and presumption of innocence.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Acknowledging a behavior that needs to be addressed is important, hanging on that issue causes problems.

I hated how Kavanaugh was treated and I certainly wouldn't want the same thing to happen to Avanetti because its the opposite of who we should be as Americans and presumption of innocence.

What I love is the similarities to Kavanaugh lol. Especially the claims of conspiracy.

Anyways, hopefully this makes some on the left realize due process is for everybody.

Originally posted by Surtur
What I love is the similarities to Kavanaugh lol. Especially the claims of conspiracy.

Anyways, hopefully this makes some on the left realize due process is for everybody.

"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.

Wow, cringy. Almost like it was one sided.

Due process isn't just investigating the accused.

Im a bit conflicted, Avenatti said all of his clients deserved to be believed, at least two of them made up the stories completely. The person who actually assaulted Ford came forward and admitted to it.

So if we had just believed all the women like the media told us to, a innocent man might be in jail.

Now the guy who brought all the allegations has a felony charge of domestic assault and he says dont believe the women.

How does that sit right with anyone?

Because most of the media, and many prominent figures in the democratic party, TV and talk shows all said they needed to be believed.

CNN spent 30 seconds on this last night. They downplayed it very much.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/11/14/cnn-msnbc-downplay-avenattis-domestic-violence-arrest

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.
I think what you mean to say is the democrats obviously wanted to extend the process past the midterms so they could block Trump's appointment, and Republicans didn't want to let that happen.

I think its going to go down like this.

Kavanaugh accused means guilty, Avenatti accused innocent till proven guilt, even if proven, he will still remain a darling of the left because of his anti trump rhetoric.

The guy has to much animus for Trump to see clearly, all he cares about is the spotlight.

On top of that, hes got millions of dollars in legal bills, and settlements to his former partners and owes at least a million to the IRS.

But the media doesnt want to cover that.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think what you mean to say is the democrats obviously wanted to extend the process past the midterms so they could block Trump's appointment, and Republicans didn't want to let that happen.

That doesn't make sense. Actual change of power doesn't happen until January 3rd. The Democrats had no delusions that Kavanaigh's investigation would have taken three months.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Wow, cringy. Almost like it was one sided.

Due process isn't just investigating the accused.

Due process involves investigating the accusation.

And preventing the accusation from being thoroughly investigated deprives the accuser and society-at-large of due process.

The only reason one would do that, is if he wanted to shield the accused from being investigated.

Originally posted by quanchi112



Cnn covered this the moment it was reported.


If you google "Avenatti Arrested", you get hits on CNN, ABC, WP, NBC, NYT, USAToday, BBC, NPR, CBS. Or what Trumpers would call "The Liberal Media"

This "The media is not covering it!" by the usual (Trumper) suspects is just the standard false cries of rape.

Stormy Daniels has come out and said that if Avenatti is guilty of domestic violence, she'd fire him as her lawyer.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Due process involves investigating the accusation.

And preventing the accusation from being thoroughly investigated deprives the accuser and society-at-large of due process.

The only reason one would do that, is if he wanted to shield the accused from being investigated.

Good job dancing away from investigating the accusations, due process is involved in investigating both sides.

Avenatti will be investigated to see if his statements stand up, the accuser will be investigated to make sure their claims hold some semblance of truth.

More cringeworthy bias posting.

What else are they going to find? The only people allegedly present (Kavanaugh and Judge) denied it. The people Ford said were there with her had no recollection. They talked to a bunch of other people who knew them both. What else could they possibly find that would remotely amount to any evidence other than some vague character witness BS like "Oh Kavanaugh liked drinking and partying and shit" which isn't remotely enough to prove an alleged attempted rape that supposedly happened 30 years ago.

Avenatti has not wanted due process for any one of his liars he brought forth though. These women later admitted to making it up.

Now he want to be believed. Its rather ironic but then again karma is a ***** as they say.

Obviously, everyone wants him to have his "day in court" and are discounting this arrest.

The guy will do or say anything at this point to have a crack at Trump or be close to power.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
So if we had just believed all the women like the media told us to, a innocent man might be in jail.


Yeah because checking out the voracity of an accusation on the presumption there is truth to it is the same thing as being found guilty in a courtroom. It's beginning to sound like incel paranoia to me. 'Oh no, if my neighbour accuses me of rape I'm going straight to jail.' Which is precisely the kind of thinking which instead sends people running into the arms of Youtube edgelords.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Avenatti has not wanted due process for any one of his liars he brought forth though. These women later admitted to making it up.

Now he want to be believed. Its rather ironic but then again karma is a ***** as they say.

Obviously, everyone wants him to have his "day in court" and are discounting this arrest.

The guy will do or say anything at this point to have a crack at Trump or be close to power.

Who cares what he wanted, he is a pos but he still deserves due process and you're a troll

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What else are they going to find? The only people allegedly present (Kavanaugh and Judge) denied it. The people Ford said were there with her had no recollection. They talked to a bunch of other people who knew them both. What else could they possibly find that would remotely amount to any evidence other than some vague character witness BS like "Oh Kavanaugh liked drinking and partying and shit" which isn't remotely enough to prove an alleged attempted rape that supposedly happened 30 years ago.


Which is why he's not in jail. The system worked in this case I don't see what the problem is. She made allegations, it was investigated, no proof was found, he didn't go to prison. Seems fine to me.

Originally posted by samhain
Which is why he's not in jail. The system worked in this case I don't see what the problem is. She made allegations, it was investigated, no proof was found, he didn't go to prison. Seems fine to me.

I might add, he also became one of the most powerful people in America for a life-time appointment no less. Seems like the system worked in his favor.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Who cares what he wanted, he is a pos but he still deserves due process and you're a troll

I didnt know I was trolling just having a conversation about Avenatti, now I realize why I dont post here, thanks for confirming that for me again.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's not just him...plenty on the left pulled this "gotta believe all women" bullshit. Plenty of democrats came out and said they believed Christine Ford despite no evidence or investigation.

If we apply the standards of the left to this...then nah Avenatti should not be believed.

Should we allow him due process? Yes. Though I will point out his bail was set at 50 grand. You'd think they would need some sort of legit reason to set bail at that level(some people are saying this is a conservative conspiracy plot)

The problem I see with Avenati is hes just like Trump, and if people are supposedly sick of Trump, why would they even get behind Avenatti. Yet somehow he has amassed 1 million followers.

They say Trump doesn't pay taxes, avenatti owes millions in taxes, defaults and settlements to the IRS, Partners and other people.

Then he goes and sayd "only a white man can beat Trump in 2020." How can that sit right with anyone that wants him to run? Yes he really said that.

http://time.com/5435310/michael-avenatti-trump-white-male/

Third, he is just as obnoxious and full of himself as Trump even more so, everything is about him. So why would anyone want that as well?

Hes basically Trump but younger, more full of himself and a sleezy porn lawyer who only wanted to get famous and use his client to get there.

Sup Supra.

But have no fear, Avenatti won't get very far if he decides to run in 2020.

Calling me out by a name I used to go by isnt getting me in trouble, I already told Bada who I was.

I know hes not getting anywhere close to being President, its the fact he has any following at all which represents a giant hypocrisy of all his followers and people that want to see him run. Hes no different then Trump, and hes actually a real con man who doesnt pay taxes.

Snowdragon just seems to be a contrarian at this point.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Calling me out by a name I used to go by isnt getting me in trouble, I already told Bada who I was.

I know hes not getting anywhere close to being President, its the fact he has any following at all which represents a giant hypocrisy of all his followers and people that want to see him run. Hes no different then Trump, and hes actually a real con man who doesnt pay taxes.

That wasn't the point...

Then why worry about him. If he runs, he'll come and go. Besides, Steve Bannon is the one who started with "Avenatti would be a great candidate", I suspect it's to cause chaos.

Originally posted by Robtard
That wasn't the point...

Then why worry about him. If he runs, he'll come and go. Besides, Steve Bannon is the one who started with "Avenatti would be a great candidate", I suspect it's to cause chaos.

Im not worried, this situation is interesting to me. So I thought I would talk about it.

If you want maybe you can help me answer my question on why he has become so popular among the left and anti trump people when hes literally the same person if not worse. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the situation.

Clarity would help

You are absolutely incorrect, there are two sides the accused and the accuser. That doesn't mean our justice system should be based on either side but they do exist.

None of the individuals that she used as witnesses supported her story, her previous BF of nearly a decade wrote in to decry many of her alleged PTSD problems.

He was vetted 6 times prior, now do you want to talk about Avanetti or change your diapers and cry about how Ford wasn't held to the same standard as the accused?

Adam, Why has this conversation divulged into Kavanaugh, hes was investigated 7 times now. Hes never has a single charge filed against him anywhere at anytime for anything.

This was about Avenatii's latest mess hes stepped in and the double standard his followers and people in the media set for him

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Im not worried, this situation is interesting to me. So I thought I would talk about it.

If you want maybe you can help me answer my question on why he has become so popular among the left and anti trump people when hes literally the same person if not worse. I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the situation.

Clarity would help

His popularity comes from his ability to make Trump rage and Twitter storm like an idiot at 5:30 in the morning.

The Right/Trumpers like to paint Avenatti as little more than a 'sleazy porn lawyer' and Daniels as little more than a 'sleazy porn star', fine, yet Trump's using the platform of the POTUS to actually fight with these people in schoolyard fashion.

Do I want him as President though? No.

Hollywood reporter isnt some bastion of conservatism.

Companies Once Owned by Michael Avenatti Owe Millions in Unpaid Taxes and Judgments (Report)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/companies-owned-by-michael-avenatti-owe-millions-unpaid-taxes-report-1154103

This alone should be enough for him to lose 200k followers and the media stop putting on TV, he actually owes the IRS millions for unpaid taxes unlike Trump who doesnt have any outstanding tax debt.

But yet people still will watch this guy, eat it up, because he hurls bombs at Trump.

Its complete hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Robtard
His popularity comes from his ability to make Trump rage and Twitter storm like an idiot at 5:30 in the morning.

The Right/Trumpers like to paint Avenatti as little more than a 'sleazy porn lawyer' and Daniels as little more than a 'sleazy porn star', fine, yet Trump's using the platform of the POTUS to actually fight with these people in schoolyard fashion.

Do I want him as President though? No.



But what I dont get is the same people that get mad at Trump for fcking Stormy Daniels are the ones praising her for saying she did.

Or Avenatii saying a white man can only beat Trump.

I cant square these things with his following and media fawning on him, hes literally Trump light on the left.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack


But what I dont get is the same people that get mad at Trump for fcking Stormy Daniels are the ones praising her for saying she did.

Or Avenatii saying a white man can only beat Trump.

I cant square these things with his following and media fawning on him, hes literally Trump light on the left.

I don't know of anyone who is "mad" at Trump for paying Stormy Daniels for sex. Except for maybe Melania.

Wasn't aware he said that, but sadly that could have some truth in the politics of right now.

He's charismatic, but he's a gimmick.

Edit: Not sure why I have that sleeping face above/

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.

The left also said they believed Ford before an investigation was even done. Try again.

Lol multiple events that the Vermont Democrat Party had scheduled to feature Avenatti have now been cancelled and tickets are being refunded. Womp womp.

Originally posted by Surtur
The left also said they believed Ford before an investigation was even done. Try again. That's irrelevant, since they wanted an investigation and had to fight tooth and nail to get one. Republicans fought against on. Now if the Dems had said "we believe her, hang him without due process", you'd have a point. But that didn't happen, so you don't have a point.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's irrelevant, since they wanted an investigation and had to fight tooth and nail to get one. Republicans fought against on. Now if the Dems had said "we believe her, hang him without due process", you'd have a point. But that didn't happen, so you don't have a point.

Nah, it's not irrelevant. They believed her without any evidence or investigation. Do better.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't know of anyone who is "mad" at Trump for paying Stormy Daniels for sex. Except for maybe Melania.

Wasn't aware he said that, but sadly that could have some truth in the politics of right now.

He's charismatic, but he's a gimmick.

Edit: Not sure why I have that sleeping face above/

Avenatti is mad, he has continously said that Trump should resign, then she put out a sketch of ther person who "threatned her" and that person looked like her boyfriend.

Avenatii keeps pressing the issue that "Trump had unprotected sex with my client and he should resign."

I can show you the clip of him saying it over and over.

Also all the people that went ballistic in the media are mad about it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol multiple events that the Vermont Democrat Party had scheduled to feature Avenatti have now been cancelled and tickets are being refunded. Womp womp.

Got a link?

Hell once they got their investigation they still whined and acted like people should believe her based on her word. Democrats even said they were gonna investigate the FBI if they won the house(which they did win so..)

Stow the dumb bullshit about them being about due process. They are not. This is not the hill you should want to die on.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah, it's not irrelevant. They believed her without any evidence or investigation. Do better.

No, it is irrelevant as they wanted an investigation.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Got a link?

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/416827-vermont-democrats-cancel-events-with-michael-avenatti-after-reports-of-his

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it is irrelevant as they wanted an investigation.

They got an investigation and whined. Then said they were gonna investigate the FBI if they came to power cuz of it.

But yeah sure they love due process. Gotcha! Now spin, make an excuse that they're totally right cuz the investigation wasn't good enough for them.

Originally posted by Surtur
They got an investigation and whined. Then said they were gonna investigate the FBI if they came to power cuz of it.

But yeah sure they love due process. Gotcha! Now spin, make an excuse that they're totally right cuz the investigation wasn't good enough for them.

We were having a civil convo... But I think I'll just let you go on with your pretend win now. Good job, winner.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't know of anyone who is "mad" at Trump for paying Stormy Daniels for sex. Except for maybe Melania.

Wasn't aware he said that, but sadly that could have some truth in the politics of right now.

He's charismatic, but he's a gimmick.

Edit: Not sure why I have that sleeping face above/

We agree on this.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"The Left" called for an investigation into the allegations against of Kavanaugh. That is the definition of due process. It was Republicans who wanted to shield him from the process, almost like they were worried about what might be discovered. Weird.

Even after the FBI Report which cleared Kavanaugh, the Dems were still trying to obstruct and smear. Kicking and screaming every step of the way.

It was a shitshow. A transparent one. Where the Dems looked terrible.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Avenatti is mad, he has continously said that Trump should resign, then she put out a sketch of ther person who "threatned her" and that person looked like her boyfriend.

Avenatii keeps pressing the issue that "Trump had unprotected sex with my client and he should resign."

I can show you the clip of him saying it over and over.

Also all the people that went ballistic in the media are mad about it.


I don't think Avenatti is actually mad. I think he's happy Trump paid Stormy for sex and then paid** to try and cover it up, as it gave him a platform to shine in and make a profit. Which is his purpose, he wants money and fame.

**Which there in lies the actual legal problem for Trump if Cohen used campaign funds, we'll see with that in time.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who went "ballistic" over Trump fking Stormy. Though if anyone should be ballistic, if should be the "Family Values" Conservatives, but they're as usual turning a blind-eye to Trump's actions.

Originally posted by Robtard
We were having a civil convo... But I think I'll just let you go on with your pretend win now. Good job, winner.

You're apparently claiming they are about due process because they called for an investigation. Yet when they got it they slammed it as not good enough and continued to behave as if Ford was innocent and Kavanaugh guilty. They also said they were going to investigate the FBI over this.

That just doesn't come off like people who truly favor due process. You can argue the Republicans also don't favor it...at least that sounds better than pretending like the democrats do.

Originally posted by Robtard
That doesn't make sense. Actual change of power doesn't happen until January 3rd. The Democrats had no delusions that Kavanaigh's investigation would have taken three months.

That makes no sense. Investigations into things like these can last years, not just 3 months. What are you talking about?

I remember watching on CNN, at the gym, the people talking about the Dems wanting to delay the appointment until after the midterms because of the blue wave that was predicted so they thought the delay would impede the appointment because....of the flip.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think Avenatti is actually mad. I think he's happy Trump paid Stormy for sex and then paid** to try and cover it up, as it gave him a platform to shine in and make a profit. Which is his purpose, he wants money and fame.

**Which there in lies the actual legal problem for Trump if Cohen used campaign funds, we'll see with that in time.

Honestly, I don't know of anyone who went "ballistic" over Trump fking Stormy. Though if anyone should be ballistic, if should be the "Family Values" Conservatives, but they're as usual turning a blind-eye to Trump's actions.

She said he didnt pay her for sex numerous times, she also said she isnt a victim or apart of the #meetoo to movement.

Paying her hush money, like this isnt news or surprising in the Trump arena. And after the access hollywood tape didnt work to take him down, does anyone really think him sleeping with a porn star would?

Infidelity has never been a major contributor to politicians winning or losing elections. Clinton won a second term in office.

Liberals seem to have been grasping their pearls much more over this then "family value conservatives."

Originally posted by dadudemon
That makes no sense. Investigations into things like these can last years, not just 3 months. What are you talking about?

I remember watching on CNN, at the gym, the people talking about the Dems wanting to delay the appointment until after the midterms because of the blue wave that was predicted so they thought the delay would impede the appointment because....of the flip.

I don't think any Dem thought they could delay Kavanaugh's appointment vote for 3 months and then axe him once they were (or thought they would be) in power.

Their hope was that the FBI investigation would have been thorough and either found undeniable evidence, or plausible evidence that would have forced Republicans to abandon Kavanuagh and had Trump pick another judge.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think any Dem thought they could delay Kavanaugh's appointment vote for 3 months and then axe him once they were (or thought they would be) in power.

Their hope was that the FBI investigation would have been thorough and either found undeniable evidence, or plausible evidence that would have forced Republicans to abandon Kavanuagh and had Trump pick another judge.

The dems lead us to believe the FBI was beyond reproach in the Mueller investigation, but as soon as they came back with a finding they didnt agree with Kavanaugh, all the sudden it was a sham FBI investigation. So whos to say the Mueller one isnt either, cant have it both ways.

In just one week they interviewed like 150 people and produced a report over 1,000 pages. This was on top of the other 6 investigations he had in the past.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
She said he didnt pay her for sex numerous times, she also said she isnt a victim or apart of the #meetoo to movement.

Paying her hush money, like this isnt news or surprising in the Trump arena. And after the access hollywood tape didnt work to take him down, does anyone really think him sleeping with a porn start would?

Infidelity has never been a major contributor to politicians winning or losing elections. Clinton won a second term in office.

Liberals seem to have been grasping their pearls much for over this then "family value conservatives."

If Trump didn't think it would have been a problem, then he wouldn't have paid to cover it up. Trump obviously did think it was a problem during his run.

Correct, cheating does seem to have little affect on people voting. But it's still something Republicans use as a blunt axe when it suits them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That makes no sense. Investigations into things like these can last years, not just 3 months. What are you talking about?

I remember watching on CNN, at the gym, the people talking about the Dems wanting to delay the appointment until after the midterms because of the blue wave that was predicted so they thought the delay would impede the appointment because....of the flip.

Yep some democrats were toying with the idea of keeping the seat empty.

Originally posted by Robtard
If Trump didn't think it would have been a problem, then he wouldn't have paid to cover it up. Trump obviously did think it was a problem during his run.

Correct, cheating does seem to have little affect on people voting. But it's still something Republicans use as a blunt axe when it suits them.

Trump isn't a Republican, he's a nationalist from what I have seen.

Maybe he was covering his bases. Regardless it would not have mattered a single vote, He said on Camera "you can grab them by the pussy." Do you really think people finding out he slept with a porn star would have changed the vote? People were fed up with 8 years of Obama and Hillary.

Most people got tired of cow-towing to ideology and letting dems run around and do whatever they want and never fighting back. Trump fights back, typically dems and the media can't handle someone who does, especially not a Republican, they are used to them bending over and taking it.

Trump is a constant kick in the balls and America for better or worse needed it. Washington was way to chummy, every 8 years the whole thing needs to be dismantled and torn down. Im still happy with my vote.

P.S. Could you really put up with Hillary coughing for 8 years?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack


But what I dont get is the same people that get mad at Trump for fcking Stormy Daniels are the ones praising her for saying she did.

Or Avenatii saying a white man can only beat Trump.

I cant square these things with his following and media fawning on him, hes literally Trump light on the left.


get mad at Trump
praising her for saying she did (smearing / shaming Trump)
followers, fawning on him (for taking on Trump)

Whats the common denominator here.

Strong Feels

Against

Trump

Because?

Quick Quenstion: Would There Be Really Strong Feels against Trump - People Expressing Distress On Social Media On Discussion Forums On TV At POTUS D J Trump if Hillary Rodham Clinton was POTUS Right Now.

I dont understand the way you post shiv, no offense.

Everybody I have some devastating news. Prepare yourselves and say a prayer to whatever deity you worship. Hold your children close...for the world is forever changed.

Alyssa Milano disavowed Michael Avenatti.

*swaying back and forth in remembrance of the Milano/Avenatti friendship*

W69SSLfRJho

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I dont understand the way you post shiv, no offense.

He is doing a compare and contrast using certain key words that are popular in the medium at moment and contrasting that with would this be relevant if.....

That's the way it breaks down for me.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Trump isn't a Republican, he's a nationalist from what I have seen.

Maybe he was covering his bases. Regardless it would not have mattered a single vote, He said on Camera "you can grab them by the pussy." Do you really think people finding out he slept with a porn star would have changed the vote? People were fed up with 8 years of Obama and Hillary.

Most people got tired of cow-towing to ideology and letting dems run around and do whatever they want and never fighting back. Trump fights back, typically dems and the media can't handle someone who does, especially not a Republican, they are used to them bending over and taking it.

Trump is a constant kick in the balls and America for better or worse needed it. Washington was way to chummy, every 8 years the whole thing needs to be dismantled and torn down. Im still happy with my vote.

P.S. Could you really put up with Hillary coughing for 8 years?

Regardless, he didn't want it out, so it stands to reason he thought it could hurt him politically. I don't think it would have in hindsight.

I think you have a very shewed vision of Obama's presidency. For 6 of his 8 years he had a Republican controlled Congress keeping him in check and blocking him. So this idea of "letting dems run around and do whatever they want" seems like some Far-Right talking point.

Trump fortunately is not as effective and thereby "scary" as he appeared to be in 2016. He had two years of a Republican controlled Congress to pass his agenda and he failed on several points. eg the ACA is completely destroyed, the wall isn't funded. Now with a Dem controlled House, he's even more neutered. That's if the Dems don't roll over like they did so often under GW Bush.

If you're asking me whether I believe Clinton would have been a better President? Yes, I do believe that.

Originally posted by Robtard


I think you have a very shewed vision of Obama's presidency. For 6 of his 8 years he had a Republican controlled Congress keeping him in check and blocking him. So this idea of "letting dems run around and do whatever they want" seems like some Far-Right talking point.



He was but he used executive orders and memorandums like a champ. Hell, the dreamer act wasn't within his executive powers but he still passed it and it was supported by a judge. Who needs Congress with that kind of authority.

Trump has not only our judicial system to overcome but our public court of sjw's.

Here's the second article:

Feinstein, other Senate Dems have plan on Brett Kavanaugh nomination: Stall

Originally posted by Robtard
I think you're conflating things to Kavanaugh that were not part of that debacle.

I'm not conflating anything. These are quite lengthy articles that describe the delay tactics of the Dems and their desired goals: stop Kav until after midterms - the very thing you denied. Their goals were to stop Kav, remove Trump, "and go after Pence."

You said this:




You were wrong. Plain and simple. This is exactly what they were trying to do and they were doing everything imaginable to try and delay until after the midterms.





Is acknowledging the fact that the Dems are terrible terrible people too much to handle?


Originally posted by Robtard
idea of blocking anyone/everyone until after January (the the assumption there was a Blue Wave) wasn't or if it was, it was a pipe dream.

So now you're leaving a way out for yourself, huh?

@ddm If you're going to accuse me of being dishonest, I see no point. I said I maintain that their plan was to stop Kavanaugh, but not to delay any and all confirmations until after Jan 3rd, when they would have taken power; if the election had gone their way from their POV back then.

I added if anyone thought that, it was a pipe dream, meaning for all purposes unattainable. Many things would have had to fallen in play, winning the Senate for one and that was always looking like a lost cause.

The FBI investigation was never going to go on for months, if it showed any signs of doing so, Republicans would have withdrawn Kavanaugh, had Trump nominate another Judge (the #2 choice already vetted) and they would have pushed that Judge through with a quickness. Meaning the Dems gained their small victory in having a Kavanaugh free SC.

(You seem to be on your phone, as I can only quick-quote you, then I can't edit out any errors)

I really don't care what happens to Avenatti.

I don't even know who Avenatti is... Sounds like a kind of noodle..

Originally posted by BackFire
Testing

Quote doesn't work. Quick Quote does.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Quote doesn't work. Quick Quote does.

No, it was my magic mod powers.

DDM broke KMC!!!!!!

That's preposterous. How dare you underestimate my power.

Originally posted by BackFire
Avenatti for President 2020

See, Rob accurately quoted something I said. Quote function works fine.

Originally posted by Robtard



Whaaaaalllleee.....


I kind of want people to be pissed off with yet ANOTHER celebrity PotUS that creates tears. But it would be conservative tears this time.


Also, the hypocrisy the left would have to face if he became president would be no different than the hypocrisy that "Family Values" conservatives are having to face with Adulterer Trump in office. 😂

I would likely just not vote if it came to that.

Lets make it happen. He's not part of the "establishment", he "speaks his mind", he's "provocative", he's "self made", he doesn't back down from a fight.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.562732253.8860/ra,fitted_scoop,x2000,fafafa:ca443f4786,front-c,285,143,750,1000-bg,f8f8f8.u1.jpg

#MAGA

Michael Avenatti Got Arrested

Originally posted by Surtur
#MAGA

Michael Avenatti Got Arrested

Did that happen or are you being clever?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did that happen or are you being clever?

Well it didn't happen a second time. He was arrested the other day, but posted bail(which was 50 grand).

I just said it in response to talk of him running for president.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did that happen or are you being clever?

He def was arrested by the LAPD its on their official twitter account.

Originally posted by Surtur
#MAGA

Michael Avenatti Got Arrested

Originally posted by BackFire
I really don't care what happens to Avenatti. Me neither. I just want there to be justice either way. I do love him for trolling trump.

Originally posted by Surtur
#MAGA

Michael Avenatti Got Arrested

OMG


when samhain quoted your post

(and I saw your post a second time)

lol1

btw

Fact Check

Dadudemon's Post

I tried to quote it.

That Post Cannot Be Quoted Using The Quote Button

But It Can Be Quoted Using The Quick Quote Button

DDM ✅

It has to do with apple products and this JERK

When I use this on my iPad you can quick quote not quote me.


See the same post minus the apostrophe and you can quote it.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He def was arrested by the LAPD its on their official twitter account.

Remember it's a conspiracy though!!!

Oh shit his bail was set at 50k?

*crickets*

Originally posted by Surtur
Remember it's a conspiracy though!!!

Oh shit his bail was set at 50k?

*crickets* You make no sense. Let the facts come out. You are such a child.

hey man I got no fruit and I still can't green quote yall

Originally posted by shiv
hey man I got no fruit and I still can't green quote yall

I got some kiwi.

Now hes been evicted from his law office, and his claim "we were already planning on moving out."

Meanwhile hes owes $213k in back rent for 4 months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/17/michael-avenatti-law-firm-evicted-after-not-paying-more-than-back-rent/?utm_term=.f952e5146d62

This comes only 3 days after he was booked for felony domestic assault.

I think this is one dip shit we can all make fun of.

I wonder if he's regretting the spotlight?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Now hes been evicted from his law office, and his claim "we were already planning on moving out."

Meanwhile hes owes $213k in back rent for 4 months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/17/michael-avenatti-law-firm-evicted-after-not-paying-more-than-back-rent/?utm_term=.f952e5146d62

This comes only 3 days after he was booked for felony domestic assault.

I think this is one dip shit we can all make fun of.

I wonder if he's regretting the spotlight?

Hmmmm...

Why did he let his law office get that far behind on payments? Evictions take time and it has to be fairly delinquent.

He should pay me a lot of money to run his business. I could save him a ton of money. And I'd give him free legal advice. Such as, "Don't beat women."

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Now hes been evicted from his law office, and his claim "we were already planning on moving out."

Meanwhile hes owes $213k in back rent for 4 months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/17/michael-avenatti-law-firm-evicted-after-not-paying-more-than-back-rent/?utm_term=.f952e5146d62

This comes only 3 days after he was booked for felony domestic assault.

I think this is one dip shit we can all make fun of.

I wonder if he's regretting the spotlight?

El Oh El. Too funny.

Actress Mareli Miniutti has now filed a restraining order again him.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-michael-avenatti-accuser-mareli-miniutti-steps-forward-20181119-story.html

This is the woman he beat up.


His whole "vast right wing conspiracy" claim realy has taken a shit.

From what I read it was odd his bail was set at 50 grand if there was no reason to suspect the accusations were true.

And yeah I don't know much about restraining orders and what you need to get it. I would hope you can't just say, without proof, that someone is a danger to you and you need a restraining order.

The question isn't whether Avenatti hit his ex or not, he did. It's whether he was justified via self defense, he claims she attacked first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You make no sense. Let the facts come out. You are such a child.

Surt's just doing his usual clown routine. Avenatti makes Trump cry, so he's an "enemy". Surt doesn't give a shit if Avenatti was justified or not in attacking, he just wants to see him go down regardless of whatever the facts may be.

Originally posted by Robtard
Surt's just doing his usual clown routine. Avenatti makes Trump cry, so he's an "enemy". Surt doesn't give a shit if Avenatti was justified or not in attacking, he just wants to see him go down regardless of whatever the facts may be.


You're good at this evaluation stuff.

Evaluate me, now. What's my angle in this? (I am being serious - I won't disagree if you're right)

Originally posted by Robtard
Surt's just doing his usual clown routine. Avenatti makes Trump cry, so he's an "enemy". Surt doesn't give a shit if Avenatti was justified or not in attacking, he just wants to see him go down regardless of whatever the facts may be. Bingo. Surtur is not a complex creature just a lazy, prideless, gutless weasel.


Avenatti deserves the time necessary as anyone to get to the bottom of this. Optics still look bad if she struck him first regardless.

Originally posted by Robtard
The question isn't whether Avenatti hit his ex or not, he did. It's whether he was justified via self defense, he claims she attacked first.

He seems to always have an excuse for every bad thing he does.

Judge: Your evicted for not paying rent for $213k

Avenatti: I was leaving anyways!! I will be fully exonerated!


LAPD: Avenatti arrested for felony domestic assault

Avenatti: She hit me first! I will be fully exonerated!

I liked the guy at first, he was a pretty good talker, but the more we learned, he seems like another charlatan. Him and Trump going back and forth was pretty good, but in the end of the day, hes pretty much just like Trump.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're good at this evaluation stuff.

Evaluate me, now. What's my angle in this? (I am being serious - I won't disagree if you're right)

I don't think you have an angle per se, I don't think you spend your days hoping Avenatti goes down in flames. I believe you believe Avenatti most probably attacked without** justification and therefore should face the consequences as per the law.

**You may very well be correct there, but I've also witnessed women attack men and men have to defend themselves. So I'm going to wait until the investigation is over. Gut instinct: I side with you more, he probably lost his shit and struck her and it wasn't in self defense.

If he's guilty, let him face whatever jail time and/or punishment for his crime(s).

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think you have an angle per se, I don't think you spend your days hoping Avenatti goes down in flames. I believe you believe Avenatti most probably attacked without** justification and therefore should face the consequences as per the law.

**You may very well be correct there, but I've also witnessed women attack men and men have to defend themselves. So I'm going to wait until the investigation is over. Gut instinct: I side with you more, he probably lost his shit and struck her and it wasn't in self defense.

If he's guilty, let him face whatever jail time and/or punishment for his crime(s).

Actually, you're 100% spot on. I really don't give a poop about him or his ego-bumping with Trump. He's in the spot-light so he's topical.

And his GF (or ex?) could very well be the instigator.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think you have an angle per se, I don't think you spend your days hoping Avenatti goes down in flames. I believe you believe Avenatti most probably attacked without** justification and therefore should face the consequences as per the law.

**You may very well be correct there, but I've also witnessed women attack men and men have to defend themselves. So I'm going to wait until the investigation is over. Gut instinct: I side with you more, he probably lost his shit and struck her and it wasn't in self defense.

If he's guilty, let him face whatever jail time and/or punishment for his crime(s).

Do you think he pushed to hard trying to become famous? I think he lost his credibility when his "kavanaugh victims" fessed up to lying and making things up.

In just the past five month

Him and two of his clients have been referred to the DOJ for criminal prosecution
Hes been ordered to pay millions to his ex partner
He owes the IRS between $500k-2 million in back taxes
He's been arrested for domestic violence
Hes been evicted from his law office and owes his landlords $213k

And this is only what we know of


How do you think this all came about? Do you believe hes a victim as hes claiming like all his clients are victims or do you think hes just a grifting shit bag?

Hollywood Actress Files Declaration In Case Against Celebrity Lawyer Michael Avenatti

Lol

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Do you think he pushed to hard trying to become famous? I think he lost his credibility when his "kavanaugh victims" fessed up to lying and making things up.

In just the past five month

Him and two of his clients have been referred to the DOJ for criminal prosecution
Hes been ordered to pay millions to his ex partner
He owes the IRS between $500k-2 million in back taxes
He's been arrested for domestic violence
Hes been evicted from his law office and owes his landlords $213k

And this is only what we know of


How do you think this all came about? Do you believe hes a victim as hes claiming like all his clients are victims or do you think hes just a grifting shit bag?

He made it no secret that he likes being in the news and doing interviews.

I don't think he lost credibility with that. He's a lawyer, he can always go "I went with what my clients told me", which is his job.

Awhile back when he had legal issues with his former partners some silly Rightist claimed that Avenatti was done; that he was "dust", yet Avenatti went on just fine.

This domestic violence case might end his "celebrity" fame though, depending how it goes; what comes out. He'll be fine as a lawyer though.

Good point, I dont think the latest of him being evicted is fake news however. And I know 100% sure that legal issue with his partner is not fake news though.

Law and Crime no fake new purveyor has this article about that same judgement.

Tell me what you think, his partner was awarded nearly $5 judgement against him.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/avenatti-hit-with-4-85-million-verdict-in-lawsuit-from-fmr-law-partner/

Avenatti will be on Dancing with the Stars in 5 years.

Originally posted by BackFire
Avenatti will be on Dancing with the Stars in 5 years.

He can't dance, but he's got the BEAT down, you know?

Originally posted by BackFire
Avenatti will be on Dancing with the Stars in 5 years.

Mareli Miniutti



Claim of Domestic Violence against Michael Avenatti



Constructed

Everything is a construct.

https://boingboing.net/2018/11/20/mareli-miniutti-gets-restraini.html

Miniutti alleged, Avenatti "began forcefully hitting me in the face with pillows from the bed," and then grabbed her wrist and, later, her arm.

"He dragged me on the floor of the apartment towards and out of the door into the public hallway," Miniutti said. "I was wearing only my underwear and t-shirt at the time, and suffered scratches to the bare skin on my side and leg." -snip



Okay, things seem to be changing? I was under the impression he physically beat her with his hands. Getting hit with a pillow is far different than with a fist and/or open palm.

This angry pillow-fight stuff doesn't bode well for those (ie Surt) who are masturbating their tiny peens over the thought of Avenatti going down in flames.

Thirsty

Originally posted by Robtard
Miniutti alleged, Avenatti "began forcefully hitting me in the face with pillows from the bed," and then grabbed her wrist and, later, her arm.

"He dragged me on the floor of the apartment towards and out of the door into the public hallway," Miniutti said. "I was wearing only my underwear and t-shirt at the time, and suffered scratches to the bare skin on my side and leg." -snip

Okay, things seem to be changing? I was under the impression he physically beat her with his hands. Getting hit with a pillow is far different than with a fist and/or open palm.

This angry pillow-fight stuff doesn't bode well for those (ie Surt) who are masturbating their tiny peens over the thought of Avenatti going down in flames.


Gotta avoid victim blaming.

But, sounds like she was being super irritating. He couldn't stand her mouth and she wouldn't shutup (there are YouTube vids of women like this and the dude just takes it...sounds like Av snapped and threw her out because he didn't want to deal with that anymore). So he threw her out of his abode.


Sound a lot less terrible than it was. And he probably admitted to forcefully throwing her out which explains the bail? But he's a lawyer, not sure he'd be stupid enough to admit. Maybe he admitted to throwing her out?


I'll find a vid.

If it was a pillow this is a joke. Still have to wait for more info.

Can't find a vid...


Seems like YouTube removes those vids. It's vids where the GF just yells and yells and hits the man.


Wait, found one:


Uv-BcSe90ns

I for one hope Mikey pulls through it all. He still needs to find the other members of that Bethesda rape gang. We got Kavanaugh, now we need to find the others.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Gotta avoid victim blaming.

But, sounds like she was being super irritating. He couldn't stand her mouth and she wouldn't shutup (there are YouTube vids of women like this and the dude just takes it...sounds like Av snapped and threw her out because he didn't want to deal with that anymore). So he threw her out of his abode.


Sound a lot less terrible than it was. And he probably admitted to forcefully throwing her out which explains the bail? But he's a lawyer, not sure he'd be stupid enough to admit. Maybe he admitted to throwing her out?


I'll find a vid.

Even Sean Connery knows that if you've tried every other option and she just won't shut up...sometimes you gotta slap her.

Also seriously I don't think it's the pillow thing that did damage. And the LAPD did say there were visible signs of an attack and the restraining order *was* granted. Some of the pics she posted were showing bruising on the legs, etc. which could have I suppose occurred depending on how he dragged her and how forcefully.

Avenatti is claiming a picture she posted on Instagram of herself a day or two after the incident showed no visible signs of injury, but it just was of her face and stuff so if she does indeed have bruising in other areas cuz he dragged her...it's not proof he didn't do anything to her. He's claiming he has other evidence too, but hasn't shown it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uXVEhtcVDD7q0/giphy.gif

Nobody is stanning Avenatti. The only reason this is an issue is because Trump simultaneously wishes Avenatti was his lawyer, and hates him for making him look bad in the media.

I don't recall Trump saying much of anything about Avenatti until he got arrested lol. What else has he said about him?

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't recall Trump saying much of anything about Avenatti until he got arrested lol. What else has he said about him?

Lol. You really need to read more than DaBlaze and Zerohedge.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
https://media.giphy.com/media/uXVEhtcVDD7q0/giphy.gif

Nobody is stanning Avenatti. The only reason this is an issue is because Trump simultaneously wishes Avenatti was his lawyer, and hates him for making him look bad in the media.

Trump actually said today he wishes him the best in all this.

That's too funny, Trump hates on Avenatti previously, but finds solidarity now that Avenatti is looking like he abuses women too.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
https://media.giphy.com/media/uXVEhtcVDD7q0/giphy.gif

Nobody is stanning Avenatti. The only reason this is an issue is because Trump simultaneously wishes Avenatti was his lawyer, and hates him for making him look bad in the media.

A ton of people care, actually. Tons. It's pretty big news because of how "in the media" he became lately. He also started to look like a nice Democratic Party symbol and was setting himself up to run against Trump in 2020.


But you're pretending like no one cares and this isn't a big deal because it's an anti-Trump schmuck who messed up big time.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol. You really need to read more than DaBlaze and Zerohedge.

I do.

Originally posted by Surtur
I do.

Glad you agree. Get on that right away

Originally posted by Robtard
Glad you agree. Get on that right away

I never said I agree. I do read more than those things. I read news from various outlets from both sides.

Update: Avenatti has avoided a felony charge, a misdemeanor is still possible. Also the restraining order has been granted.

Sounds ridiculous now and I am leaning towards Avenatti. Glad I waited for more facts. Still not decided but if it is a misdemeanor already this sounds shady.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sounds ridiculous now and I am leaning towards Avenatti. Glad I waited for more facts. Still not decided but if it is a misdemeanor already this sounds shady.

No, felony assault is less commonly given out. Punching someone in the face is not felony assault, for example.

Hitting someone with a bat and chasing after them while screaming "I'm going to beat the shit out of you!" is felony assault.



I don't know why felony assault was even on the table in this situation.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/felony-assault-battery.htm

Warning, that site, while informative, has a shit load of pop-ups.