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Have the rich and powerful lost their altruistic instincts?

Humans are the most altruistic and good of all the animal species, yet at present, our rich and powerful allow the poorest of us to starve to death by hoarding their wealth. This is unheard of in the animal world.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Generally speaking, in ancient days the rich and powerful insured that the poor were taken care of to the best of their ability. In the past, the rank and file demanded that the rich and powerful live up to that good altruistic trait by revolting against them. The French Revolution is a good example of this. Have the rank and file lost their altruistic and good characters by allowing the rich and powerful to let people starve to death while doing nothing?

Are the notions of liberty, equality, and fraternity dead in the world?

Is mankind at the point of losing the altruistic instincts that has made us the greatest animal that the world has ever produced?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Humans are the most altruistic and good of all the animal species...

Hahahahahahahahaha

Humans are selfish

Humans are simultaneously made in the image of God and sinners. We are filled with a capacity to fault towards arrogance and egotistical behavior as a response to our vulnerability, and the opportunity to rise up and stand against that suffering and tragedy and become heroic individuals capable of reshaping the world for the better.

Animals are far more charitable then humans. Just look at all the charities the Animal Kingdom have going to help each other..

Humanity will do the right thing once all other options have been exhausted.

First step should be the Removal of Al interweb message board mods!

WE MUST SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

SQUASH THE REBELLION.

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That gif is made of like 3 pixels.

Pray To The Power of PIXELS!!!!!!!

we need wealth redistribution now, yeah.

You go First.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
You go First. Surtur would love wealth redistribution.

BackFly Ship lol

Originally posted by BackFire
Hahahahahahahahaha

He's correct. It is a fundamental part of what makes us such a successful species.

Humans have the following traits that set us apart:

1. By far the most altruistic species.
2. By far the most violent species.
3. By far the most sexual species.
4. By far the most intelligent species.


Humans are a weird combination of what is necessary to get to the point to where were are, now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur would love wealth redistribution.


I bet you don't GIVE A DIME to any kind of charity. Probably curse out the Salvation Army Santa's on Street Corners during Christmas.

What a Hypocrite and a Scrooge.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He's correct. It is a fundamental part of what makes us such a successful species.

Humans have the following traits that set us apart:

1. By far the most altruistic species.
2. By far the most violent species.
3. By far the most sexual species.
4. By far the most intelligent species.


Humans are a weird combination of what is necessary to get to the point to where were are, now.

I have seen nothing to suggest that we are more innately altruistic than any of the other animal species in which altruism has been observed.

Dolphins

There are plenty of animals that display altruistic behavior, really.

It's true that ours is on a larger scale. For instance, a chimp may share his banana with his fellow primate, whereas humans may build an orphanage or a homeless shelter, but I attribute that to our increased intelligence more than I do anything else.

It's also true that our observations and knowledge of animal behavior is pretty limited, especially compared to the knowledge and observations of ourselves. We are much more aware of our own behavior than we are of animals'. And we're the only ones doing the cataloging.

Dolphins are Cold Blooded Killers. They just have a great PR Rep.

Originally posted by BackFire
I have seen nothing to suggest that we are more innately altruistic than any of the other animal species in which altruism has been observed.

It's due to our absurdly complicated communication systems, innate social aptitude, and the ability to communicate abstract ideas (language).

But it's also our altruistic punishment:




We find similar social shaming in Murders (crows) and in pods (dolphins) but not anywhere even close to what we see in humans. Humans are the extremes.

There's nothing to suggest that any species comes even as close to altruistic as humans....or as murderous.

Originally posted by BackFire
There are plenty of animals that display altruistic behavior, really.

Humans being the most extreme listings of altruism does no exclude other animals from displaying altruistic behaviors. Is that where your disagreement comes from?

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's due to our absurdly complicated communication systems, innate social aptitude, and the ability to communicate abstract ideas (language).

But it's also our altruistic punishment:




We find similar social shaming in Murders (crows) and in pods (dolphins) but not anywhere even close to what we see in humans. Humans are the extremes.

There's nothing to suggest that any species comes even as close to altruistic as humans....or as murderous.



Humans being the most extreme listings of altruism does no exclude other animals from displaying altruistic behaviors. Is that where your disagreement comes from?
IDK man... Ants can be pretty freaking murderous. I'd wager there are species of them that could match or maybe even exceed us in that department.

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK man... Ants can be pretty freaking murderous. I'd wager there are species of them that could match or maybe even exceed us in that department.

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Yes but the mass extinction event isn't an issue because of murderous intent. Species are being wiped out by negligent homicide, not premeditated murder. When I say that ants can match us or exceed us in the category of being murderous, it's actual murder I'm talking about.

Seriously, war, colonization, slavery, genocide... all the worst actions of humans are replicated by ants. Hell even the whole thing of wrecking the environment in a way that kills off other species can also be attributed to them.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Seriously, war, colonization, slavery, genocide... all the worst actions of humans are replicated by ants.
Yep, communist ****s.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is my response:




Ants how more biomass than humans. But they come nowhere even close, not even remotely, to directly or indirectly killing off life on earth.


Also, humans are definitely aware that their actions are killing off other species. We just don't give a f*ck.
There's a problem with the theory in regards to how much faster species are dying off now... there's no real way to know if it's accurate. The estimates for the extinction rate during ancient times is based upon extrapolating the rate of disappearance of creatures in the fossil record, but we have no idea how many species existed that there's no record of. Even today we're still constantly finding new species of animals, do you really think there's any way scientists can accurately gauge how quickly new species appeared and disappeared thousands/millions of years ago? Of course they can't. Modern technology allows us to better find and identify new species as well as track their rate of death, we don't have anything close to a good way of doing that for species from 100,000 years ago.

What's more, IF we are in a new mass extinction event(it's not a universally agreed upon fact that we're in one) because of climate change and such, it can't all be placed at the feet of humanity. Even if volcanoes don't release as much co2 as human industry, they still release quite a bit. Natural sources(especially wetlands) contribute in a huge way to methane emissions(which are over 25 times more powerful per unit than co2), in fact only 60% of methane emissions are attributed to humans, and a large portion of our methane emissions are directly tied to the production of food. If we discount methane from food cultivation, methane from natural sources is actually higher than what is produced by humans. We're only responsible for 40% of Nitrous oxide emissions(which are 300 times more potent than comparable co2 emissions), 60% of them come from natural sources. Water vapor is the single biggest contributor to the greenhouse effect(between 36% and 66% for clear sky conditions and between 66% and 85% when including clouds) and humans only directly impact water vapor levels on a localized level. We do contribute to the problem, but the problem isn't entirely dependent upon us.


Also, ants don't care if any individual member colonies of ants or termites they invade relocate to survive another day, they kill every one of them and then move on and look for another target to annihilate. And they don't care if the effects they have on the environment kills off other species, they reshape/destroy ecosystems to suit themselves and say f*ck everyone else.

Generally speaking, the more aware a creature is of its own mortality, the more extreme its compensatory behavior (for *good* or *evil*), ie, the more intense its quests for power to (unconsciously or not) minimize death terror.

With humans, as the song says, nobody does it better.

Originally posted by darthgoober
There's a problem with the theory in regards to how much faster species are dying off now... there's no real way to know if it's accurate.

This is definitely wrong. Because you believe this and are now taking an anti-scientific position, there's no need for me to respond, further.

If a person rejects even basic science, there is no point to engage that person in a discussion about science.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is definitely wrong. Because you believe this and are now taking an anti-scientific position, there's no need for me to respond, further.

If a person rejects even basic science, there is no point to engage that person in a discussion about science.
I'm not taking an anti scientific position, I'm simply acknowledging a lack of hard evidence. I looked it up and they do in fact extrapolate the rate of death by the rate of disappearance by animals from the fossil record. But we can't assume that all other species of animal that were around at that time were dying at the same rate. Just imagine if there was a huge emp that basically knocked us back into the stone ages. Then 100,000 years in the future people assume that species they don't have any record of that are already extinct in our time became extinct at the same rate as rats or cats they found a couple of fossils for and don't die out for another 50,000 years... Isn't it fair to say that there estimates would be a little off? We have no real way of properly estimating the death rate of species that we don't even know ever existed. Fossilization is a relatively rare occurrence, we can't even be sure that the animals we only have one or two fossils of didn't die actually die out a long time after their disappearance from the record.

It's not like scientist are infallible they're as prone to making leaps of logic based on little evidence when they're under pressure.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not taking an anti scientific position...

You did.


Here it is:

Originally posted by darthgoober
There's a problem with the theory in regards to how much faster species are dying off now... there's no real way to know if it's accurate.




If you'd like to present original research of your own to support this unscientific position, I'd read it. Have your findings, regarding this claim, been peer reviewed and published in a credible publication? How has the scientific community received your findings?

Originally posted by dadudemon
You did.


Here it is:






If you'd like to present original research of your own to support this unscientific position, I'd read it. Have your findings, regarding this claim, been peer reviewed and published in a credible publication? How has the scientific community received your findings?
The thing is, I'm not claiming to know what rate they died out at... I have no estimate to give. But one doesn't have to have an answer of his own to spot that someone else doesn't have enough evidence to support a specific claim. I'm not the one making the positive assertion that there is a good way to estimate the death rate for the totality of animal kind thousands of years ago, because I don't believe there is one. It's one thing to put forth something and acknowledge that there's no way of knowing how accurately the estimate is because they're working with an extremely small sample size, but these people are putting it forth in a pretty definitive manner which is just wrong given the circumstances.

Think of it like this, pretty much all the poll takers said that Donald Trump had no chance of winning because they extrapolated results from a relatively small percentage of the relevant subjects... which is exactly what the scientist are doing by assuming that they can adequately estimate the extinction rate for animals that they have zero knowledge of based on the extremely small sample of animals which appear in the fossil record. We've cataloged far more modern day animals than we have extinct species through fossils and the best estimate goes that the totality of modern day species that still exist comprise only 1% of species that have ever existed. So in a best case scenario, we're using a very small fraction of 1% of all the animals ever to determine the death rates for the all the rest of the animals. The fact that it's the scientist's "best possible guess" in no way guarantees that it's actually a GOOD guess even if they know more about the subject than everyone else who currently lives. 2 or 3 thousand years ago the smartest and most qualified people in the world using all the available data/evidence at the time probably would have told you that the Earth was the center of the universe and that the sun and everything else revolved around it... and their best guess would have been far from the truth.

Hell just imagine asking that kind of question to a biologist who's a strict adherent to the scientific method in regards to modern day species. If you happen to know one, just go up to him and ask him "Do you think you can give an accurate estimate of how many totally undiscovered species at the bottom of the ocean have went extinct in the last 50 years"... I can almost guarantee that his answer will be an unequivocal "No". Even if you can tell him the number of species that we've actually cataloged that live in the bottom of the ocean that that we've seen no trace of for 10 years, his answer is going to be that same.

I'm not being "unscientific" just by pointing out that they're not being scientific enough.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The thing is, I'm not claiming to know what rate they died out at

You are. Your exact quote:


"There's a problem with the theory in regards to how much faster species are dying off now... there's no real way to know if it's accurate."



Since you've taken that position, you're asserting a position that is provable.

"If you'd like to present original research of your own to support this unscientific position, I'd read it. Have your findings, regarding this claim, been peer reviewed and published in a credible publication? How has the scientific community received your findings?"

Probabilisticly, you're not a paleoecologist or paleoclimatologist. You could be and I just don't know. If so, my bad. I would love to read your research. It would be highly controversial in those two communities, however.

I cannot engage with a person in a conversation is the premise relies on basic, uncontroversial science. If you can't even agree there, there's no point to having a conversation. I just throw those convos out as wastes of time.


Edit - You could just ask me to cite my points but you've been nice enough not to be a dick.



Okay, here's the research:


"The palaeoclimatology, palaeoecology and palaeoenvironmental analysis of mass extinction events"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018205002750

"Mass extinction events and the plant fossil record"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016953470700256X


And here's part of the MEE that I was talking about, earlier:
"Isotopic evidence bearing on Late Triassic extinction events, Queen Charlotte Islands, British Columbia, and implications for the duration and cause of the Triassic/Jurassic mass extinction"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X04002857

Goober is really being exposed as the troll I said he is. Takes a position and then pretends he did not take a position. Finish him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You are. Your exact quote:


"There's a problem with the theory in regards to how much faster species are dying off now... there's no real way to know if it's accurate."



Since you've taken that position, you're asserting a position that is provable.

"If you'd like to present original research of your own to support this unscientific position, I'd read it. Have your findings, regarding this claim, been peer reviewed and published in a credible publication? How has the scientific community received your findings?"

Probabilisticly, you're not a paleoecologist or paleoclimatologist. You could be and I just don't know. If so, my bad. I would love to read your research. It would be highly controversial in those two communities, however.

I cannot engage with a person in a conversation is the premise relies on basic, uncontroversial science. If you can't even agree there, there's no point to having a conversation. I just throw those convos out as wastes of time.


Edit - You could just ask me to cite my points but you've been nice enough not to be a dick.



Okay, here's the research:


"The palaeoclimatology, palaeoecology and palaeoenvironmental analysis of mass extinction events"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018205002750

"Mass extinction events and the plant fossil record"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016953470700256X


And here's part of the MEE that I was talking about, earlier:
"Isotopic evidence bearing on Late Triassic extinction events, Queen Charlotte Islands, British Columbia, and implications for the duration and cause of the Triassic/Jurassic mass extinction"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X04002857
I'm not questioning uncontroversial science, I'm question the logic they use to reach their conclusion. I can totally buy their general projections in regards to the extinction rate of animals that actually appear in the fossil record even though when you get right down to it the logic of assuming a lack of fossils conclusively proves when a species is extinct(just think about that, if a lack of fossils from the period proves a lack of existence during the period it would mean that no animal other than the ones we've found fossils of or that we've cataloged running around ever existed) seems a little questionable, and I believe there's been multiple ice ages and mass extinction events... I'm even open to the notion that that creatures are dying faster now than a long time ago, but when they start throwing out actual numbers in regards to creatures they don't even know existed it becomes a matter of the basic logic. It's not logical to assume knowledge of an extremely small percentage of a subject can be reasonably extrapolated to the entirety of the subject. Even they can't really agree on the increase, some say it's now 100 times higher, some say it's 1,000 times higher, at least one guy says it's 10,000 times higher... and these are people who totally agree with idea and what constitutes evidence. The reason they don't all agree on the increase is because there's not actually enough data available to figure it out.

There's data that exist in regards their being ice ages/hot periods/and meteors in the history of the planet, that's science and I bow to the scientists on it. There's data that exist in regards to mass extinction as far as to most animals dying out at various points in history, that's science and I bow to them on that too. But there's no actual data in regards to the true extinction rate of animals that we have no evidence of even existing. They're extrapolating using the fossil records based on the assumption that the extrapolations they used to calculate how many animals existed at back then in the first place, which is itself based up the extrapolation they use to estimate the number of animals that currently exist are all totally accurate when in fact, they don't have any direct evidence of anything other than the animals we've cataloged. Extrapolations can be nice and estimates can settle the mind, but when you start layering one upon the other... that's just not conclusive science.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Also, it's not like I'm...Also, it's not like I'm...


Read every single article.

You're upset about the 6th extinction event being a fact and are using those articles, which make very weak arguments and do not at all dispute the fact that humans are responsible for the current 6th extinction event, but just talk to humans not being as severe as estimated.

You understand that, right?



Feels that you've moved the goalposts.


The first article says it was overblown by 160%. So? And which rate? Rates vary from 1,000 to 10,000 (some research suggested just 100 times but newer research shows those old numbers were grossly underestimated) greater than background extinction rates. Does it really matter, at this point, to debate how terrible the Holocene Extinction Event is? Maybe 10,000 times is overblown. What if it's closer to the conservative 1,000 times? That's still extremely far faster than any other MEE in the previous 5 MEEs.

One articles cites a specific researcher. So? Perhaps his estimates are too high but there's far more paleoclimatological research out there besides that one researcher's estimate.

The position you're taking is that you don't like the fact that we are in an extreme MEE. All the evidence clearly indicates we are in one. And nothing you've brought up contradicts that. But you still don't want to believe in the current MEE.




Really, your position is you don't believe in the already long proven anthropogenic extinction. And the "evidence" you're using for this is a few commentators and researchers who believe it is not "Super absurdly extreme terrible anthropogenic extinction, it's only super absurdly extreme anthropogenic extinction! There's a big difference!" Yeah, okay.

I blame this thread on the example being set by the Hollywood Rich Set. They are extremely Vocal about How Others Should be Generous while they are very selfish and non charitable in their own lives.

Hollywood is full of Hypocrites and Horrible People.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Read every single article.

You're upset about the 6th extinction event being a fact and are using those articles, which make very weak arguments and do not at all dispute the fact that humans are responsible for the current 6th extinction event, but just talk to humans not being as severe as estimated.

You understand that, right?



Feels that you've moved the goalposts.


The first article says it was overblown by 160%. So? And which rate? Rates vary from 1,000 to 10,000 (some research suggested just 100 times but newer research shows those old numbers were grossly underestimated) greater than background extinction rates. Does it really matter, at this point, to debate how terrible the Holocene Extinction Event is? Maybe 10,000 times is overblown. What if it's closer to the conservative 1,000 times? That's still extremely far faster than any other MEE in the previous 5 MEEs.

One articles cites a specific researcher. So? Perhaps his estimates are too high but there's far more paleoclimatological research out there besides that one researcher's estimate.

The position you're taking is that you don't like the fact that we are in an extreme MEE. All the evidence clearly indicates we are in one. And nothing you've brought up contradicts that. But you still don't want to believe in the current MEE.




Really, your position is you don't believe in the already long proven anthropogenic extinction. And the "evidence" you're using for this is a few commentators and researchers who believe it is not "Super absurdly extreme terrible anthropogenic extinction, it's only super absurdly extreme anthropogenic extinction! There's a big difference!" Yeah, okay. I'm really puzzled at the arguments you seem to be making in regards to this particular subject. I know from past interactions with you that you strive to be an intelligent, logical, independent thinker, but in this particular case you really seem to be falling victim to cognitive bias based on the dreaded Argument from Authority. Please if only for a moment, take a step back from the conclusions other people have put forth, and examine how those people reached those conclusions and what actual hard evidence exist to support each step of their calculations.

1. What is the number of species that the scientist cite as living on the planet, and does it match the number of species we've actually documented. If not, how/why is there variance in that number.

2. How many individual animals from all species that currently exist do scientist say there are? Did they actually count all those individuals or is the number achieved by using a relatively small sample number taken from relatively small areas and assuming that those numbers will accurately scale up to measure extremely large numbers of animals in extremely large areas?

3. How many animals do the scientists say existed 5,000 thousand years ago? Is there actually hard evidence to support their number like data/writing that's been passed down from people from that period or remains from those animals, or are they somehow basing their number upon their estimates of animals that currently exist?

4. How many animals do they say existed before humans had the ability to document things via writing/drawing? Is their number based upon things like the fossil record, or are they too projections based upon estimates of modern day animals?

5. In any of the previous questions where it turned out things were based upon an estimation, are the scientist in agreement about the numbers? Keep in mind that if different people are coming up with different numbers based upon shared data... they're not actually in agreement with the other persons calculation. For instance, if one person says things are dying out 100x faster and one person says that they're actually dying out 10,000x faster, those guys haven't actually reached a consensus in regard to how fast things are dying out. The only real thing they're really in agreement about is that animals are dying out faster now than they were before.



You can not layer estimates upon estimates and claim that the end result is FACTUAL. Here's the thing about scientists, they feel the need to explore the unknown and answer the questions that plague us. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that, that type of mindset is what took us out of the dark ages. But scientist are still human and are therefor still subject to the same types of logical fallacies that plague us regular people and their intense desire to figure things out has often driven them to make declarations of truth based upon limited evidence that turned out to be false. The thing driving this is the notion that there HAS to be a way to figure all these things out. But in reality, No... there doesn't have to be an objectively good way to figure out how fast animals there were a million years ago and there damn sure doesn't have to be an objectively good way to figure out at what rate extinction rate occurred. Some things are just beyond our ability to figure out definitively at present, and there is very little in the way of empirical data to support these scientist's conclusions. I can easily believe someone who says that humans are having a huge negative impact upon the numbers of animals, because that actually is a fact and there is plenty of evidence to support the notion. But trying to assign actual numbers to it and then acting as if the numbers are gospel is a ridiculous thing to do. And it's even more ridiculous to do it in regards to animals that existed before we existed on the planet.

This article that was published at Yale that talks about the wild variances in estimates of global extinction rates that supports the idea that extinction rates are high, but specifically notes "But nobody knows whether such estimates are anywhere close to reality. They are based on computer modeling, and documented losses are tiny by comparison."...

https://e360.yale.edu/features/ global_extinction_rates_why_do_estimates_vary_so_w
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Have the rich and powerful lost their altruistic instincts?

Humans are the most altruistic and good of all the animal species, yet at present, our rich and powerful allow the poorest of us to starve to death by hoarding their wealth. This is unheard of in the animal world.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Generally speaking, in ancient days the rich and powerful insured that the poor were taken care of to the best of their ability. In the past, the rank and file demanded that the rich and powerful live up to that good altruistic trait by revolting against them. The French Revolution is a good example of this. Have the rank and file lost their altruistic and good characters by allowing the rich and powerful to let people starve to death while doing nothing?

Are the notions of liberty, equality, and fraternity dead in the world?

Is mankind at the point of losing the altruistic instincts that has made us the greatest animal that the world has ever produced?

Regards
DL

As much as I'd love a revolution, the fact is revolt never makes things better in the long run. Look at it in terms of Game of Thrones: The Lannister clan had a very good man leading them. All the bad men laughed at him, and took advantage of the Lannisters.

Then Tywin stepped up, and slaughtered all the very bad men, and a lot of innocents.

The ideal isn't a good rich man. It's a great sociopath who can get what he wants, and keep all the would be tyrants at bay. He does that, and the public won't need to worry, because no one destroys what's theirs.

Bottom line, when great men fight, it's the regular people who suffer.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm really puzzled at the arguments you seem to be making in regards to this particular subject.

You shouldn't be. I've made my points very clear. Part of our disconnect is I just do not care what you think about this subject nor am I willing to be persuaded by anything you (specifically, you) have to say on this subject.

With that, I'm done talking to you (specifically, to you) on this. As I do not feel my time is being spent in any type of satisfactory way engaging you (specifically, you) on this subject.

If you feel insulted by this, take a step back and recognize that this is more about my arrogance than it has to do with your incompetence (specifically, any views you perceive from me about your incompetence).

Unlike others, I am unwilling to engage walls of text of mostly what I consider to be rubbish. I'm not the type of person you can engage with your unscientific rubbish.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You shouldn't be. I've made my points very clear. Part of our disconnect is I just do not care what you think about this subject nor am I willing to be persuaded by anything you (specifically, you) have to say on this subject.

With that, I'm done talking to you (specifically, to you) on this. As I do not feel my time is being spent in any type of satisfactory way engaging you (specifically, you) on this subject.

If you feel insulted by this, take a step back and recognize that this is more about my arrogance than it has to do with your incompetence (specifically, any views you perceive from me about your incompetence).

Unlike others, I am unwilling to engage walls of text of mostly what I consider to be rubbish. I'm not the type of person you can engage with your unscientific rubbish.
Well I guess if you're finished then there's nothing to be said about it... Namaste.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I guess if you're finished then there's nothing to be said about it... Namaste.

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

Originally posted by dadudemon
You shouldn't be. I've made my points very clear. Part of our disconnect is I just do not care what you think about this subject nor am I willing to be persuaded by anything you (specifically, you) have to say on this subject.

With that, I'm done talking to you (specifically, to you) on this. As I do not feel my time is being spent in any type of satisfactory way engaging you (specifically, you) on this subject.

If you feel insulted by this, take a step back and recognize that this is more about my arrogance than it has to do with your incompetence (specifically, any views you perceive from me about your incompetence).

Unlike others, I am unwilling to engage walls of text of mostly what I consider to be rubbish. I'm not the type of person you can engage with your unscientific rubbish.

Originally posted by Robtard
Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
I'm familiar with it, I'm also familiar with how they reach their numbers.