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Well purveyed in the movies?

Not in the movies, no

Hell no.

If no then the next question is did it seem contradicted in the movies ?

Originally posted by Xiggy
Well purveyed in the movies? Not at all.

:thinkingface:

Originally posted by Xiggy
If no then the next question is did it seem contradicted in the movies ? The "Darth Vader will BECOME more powerful than either of US!" line from RotS implies that Anakin hadn't yet reached Palpatine/Yoda-level... And even by the time of ESB, Vader is trying to coerce Luke into helping him destroy Palpatine -- again implying that he was still inferior to his Master.

From a film-only standpoint, Palpatine-level power was always portrayed as superior to Anakin/Vader, imo.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Not in the movies, no

The point is the films are the most viewed and thematically relevant works to the Franchise. Not even 1% of people have or are expected to view past that iteration of the mythos. I'm doubting Lucas even intended Anakin to be on this level given his you have to Mace or Yoda to compete with Palps and that Anakin could have eventually competed if didn't get disfigured on Mustafar. The entire implication is that Anakin is not yet on their level within in the films so....

On the other hand, I do reconcile some of those quotes in favour of Anakin regarding potential. But the others are just bottom of the barrel sources that don't compete with the film in the grand order of importance.

Yoda would beat Anakin in a duel or otherwise.

And even if he's not winning in a direct sense, he just needs to utter some conflicting statement to unbalance the fragile desperado and then remove his hands.

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Originally posted by Xiggy
On the other hand, I do reconcile some of those quotes in favour of Anakin regarding potential. I think Palpatine's line from RotS(mentioned in my previous post) is sufficient to tell us how powerful Palpatine believed Anakin could have become. So from said dialogue we can logically infer that Anakin's potential > Palpatine/Yoda.

Do the films allude to Anakin actually reaching that potential, though? I certainly do not think so. You have to pick through outside sources to reach that conclusion, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
The "Darth Vader will BECOME more powerful than either of US!" line from RotS implies that Anakin hadn't yet reached Palpatine/Yoda-level...


Well technically he could be on par with them and that line would still make sense.

OP asks if Anakin was portrayed as being ">" Yoda and Palpatine. Not "=".

That's what I was getting at, if my post wasn't clear.

I also disagree that Anakin was portrayed as being better in the films against Dooku either. Which is often brought up.

Considering that the lion's share of sources that support Anakin's supremacy were people involved with the production of Revenge of the Sith, I'd say that was almost certainly what was intended to be portrayed in the film.

As for whether or not it was received that way, my gut reaction is also probably not, but perhaps moreso than you might think. It's a bit ironic now, but in the past Ant and I actually dedicated quite a bit of time on SWF trying to convince more casual fans of Yoda's and Sidious's supremacy over Anakin.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Considering that the lion's share of sources that support Anakin's supremacy were people involved with the production of Revenge of the Sith, I'd say that was almost certainly what was intended to be portrayed in the film.


It's ashame the only person who actually mattered when it comes to directional intent mucked said sentiment up once again with his "Mace and Yoda can only compete with Palpatine". And then of course the opposite being portrayed in the movies.

The movies definitely don't convey the image of Anakin being > Sidious and Yoda.

He kills a bunch of no name Jedi completely off screen, and then....gets stalemated by Kenobi before getting sliced up and burned alive. If Lucas was trying to portray his supremacy over Sheev and Yoda there, he did a really bad job of doing so.

And also using the actors and Gillard as messengers might not be totally succinct. Because one : they're not Lucas and don't share his brain. Two : many things could have happened within production leading up to the film and the final editing. Lucas could have easily changed his mind on the matter hence : "You can only be Mace and Yoda" to compete with palpatine and it clearly being portrayed with Anakin below at least two of characters in the film.

By the way, authorial intent has always been criticised, but many compounding factors make it totally asinine in the Star Wars universe.

In the film definitely not. Nothing supports that. In fact it's made pretty clear he's not by him getting sliced up by Kenobi and Yoda saying Kenobi has much more of a chance against Anakin than Sidious. There are no statements in the film which place him close to Yoda and Sidious.

However in Legends he is a Yoda Sidious level threat.

Definitely not. How is this even up for reasonable discussion.

Nope.

lol sorry man but this is like Darth Bandon talking sh*t about his powers to Sidious and Valkorion

not that i disagree that Sidious > Anakin

I never compared myself to them, lmao.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
I never compared myself to them, lmao.

fair enough, my analogy was poorly phrased

It feels like halfway Lucas changed his mind on Anakins power. First we see him destroy Dooku once he uses his anger and he did it in a faster time frame than Yoda trying to defeat Dooku. But, we later see him after fully embracing the Dark side have troubke with Kenobi and they were even equals in that force push of theirs.

Ofc there are things like the ROTS novel and kther Legends supplements explaining what happened, but movie only wise it seems like a plot hole.