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1. Darth Revan
2. KotOR
3. Reborn
4. SoR

Nihilus sweeps 1-3, SoR Revan probably wins.

SoR Revan is ridiculous OP, he could probably take Nihilus.

2 and above takes it.
1 might take it as well.

You are deliberately making these threads to incite *certain" fans to toxicity. Please, stop in the name of the good lord and common sense.

That post literally makes no sense.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
That post literally makes no sense.

Yes it does. We have a plethora of Nihilus threads. Why did you feel the need to make another?

We all know that - the moment someone talks about Nihilus' performances - somehow we will end up talking about Luke or Sidious. Not that is my point, though.

Point is that it has been done already. And Nihilus is a wild card. The video-game Knights of the Old Republic 2 has "him" more of a force of nature rather than a "normal" Sith Lord for a reason. Darth Nihilus represents the finality of a Sith Lord's path. His Hunger also serves as metaphor for Sith Lords' (self-)destructive nature coupled with boundless ambitions and dreams.

do you run your posts through esoteric languages in google translate lmao

Originally posted by Valkorion
do you run your posts through esoteric languages in google translate lmao

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He's got a point about Nihilus being basically an anomaly.

Revan would blitz him.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
2 and above takes it.
1 might take it as well.

There's no way any incarnation but 4 wins, kek.

3 and above take it, not sure about 1 and 2.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
3 and above take it, not sure about 1 and 2.

Revan takes all rounds tbh.

Originally posted by AncientPower
There's no way any incarnation but 4 wins, kek.

Aren't you always harping on about how Vitiate right after draining Nathema is more powerful than Nihilus? Cause if so then this post makes no sense. I mean Novel Revan nearly killed Vitiate which shows parity between Revan and Vitiate especially since Vitiate was on a DS nexus.

So we have:

Novel Vitiate=>Novel Revan>Vitiate right after draining Nathema>Nihilus.

Not saying I agree with the above scaling but if you wish to be consistent with your own logic you kinda have to agree with it.

KEK.

I don't see parity between novel Revan and Vitiate. Revan surprised with him an unorthodox attack, but then Vitiate proceeds to fry Revan alive.

Yep. Vitiate completely ripped through his Tutaminis and paralysed him with his lightning. Revan only survived due to T3 and the Exile intervening. A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.

> Revan is way below Vitiate because Vitiate broke his barrier with a charged attack
> Meetra is close to Nyriss because when Nyriss launched an uncharged lightning attack, she was only knocked out of the fight for 15+ seconds

lmfao

Vitiate broke through Revan's prepared Tutaminis with a charged attack and fried him into paralysis.

Nyriss attacked Meetra with lightning and Meetra's unprepared, instinctive Force barrier absorbed almost all of it but the momentum knocked her over.

Try harder or go back to the kid's table.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate broke through Revan's prepared Tutaminis with a charged attack and fried him into paralysis.

Nyriss attacked Meetra with lightning and Meetra's unprepared, instinctive Force barrier absorbed almost all of it but the momentum knocked her over.

where does it say it was instinctive? where does it say it was unprepared, and why didn't Meetra have the reflexes to prepare a barrier?

Revan vs. Vitiate's uncharged lightning = Revan bats back
Meetra vs. Nyriss's uncharged lightning = Meetra leaps out of way and is defenseless, then she tries blocking and gets knocked on the ground lmao



what about this:

Originally posted by Valkorion
"Darkly he proclaimed 'I am Sion, Lord of Pain and Lord of the Sith and you cannot kill me.' instead of exchanging words with the abomination before her, she simply attempted to cut the beast off from the Force but she realised this monster had become the Dark Side and such techniques would not work. Ziost was their battleground, time and again she would cut him down and once more he would rise anew. Aided by his minions the fight lasted three nights, despite the freezing temperatures and the well of darkness swirling through the collapsing fortresses, she would cut down more and more Dark Jedi until finally when Sion realised this engagement was one he could not win, he fled and no matter how much she chased him he would not be found again."
- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide Collector's Edition

wtf is this garbage? lmao

Originally posted by AncientPower
A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.

what in the actual ****

"Darkly he proclaimed"

Nope

Originally posted by Valkorion
where does it say it was instinctive? where does it say it was unprepared, and why didn't Meetra have the reflexes to prepare a barrier?



Try reading the book you imbecile.

The fact you have to dig up a years old jab that's more necrotic than Aurbere's account is even worse.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Try reading the book you imbecile.

lmfao, you didn't answer my question. Meetra had enough time to ready herself to fight Nyriss, it was 2 v 1, why is Nyriss kicking her ass and why is it not legitimate? If "like Nyriss" really means "instinctively", why wasn't Meetra fast enough to throw up a proper barrier (Nyriss was being attacked by Scourge while fighting Meetra)? Why does she get forced on her knee and open to a lethal hit within seconds were it not for Scourge?

If Meetra really were close to Nyriss there's no way a single lightning blast she deflected with a barrier would knock her down so long she could just sit there and do nothing while Nyriss charged a massive attack

Either Meetra is far weaker than Nyriss, or she is a 0/10 fail incompetent fighter beyond anything we've ever seen



is the jab inaccurate?

did you ever atone or apologize for it?

didn't you do the exact same thing a few months ago with your fake email to ant? lmfao

Meetra was prepared, just like Revan (Revan was just going to redirect the Force energy he would have withstood), and they both got overwhelmed.

It doesn't say that Meetra's Barrier was instinctive; it just said she threw one up like Nyriss.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yep. Vitiate completely ripped through his Tutaminis and paralysed him with his lightning. Revan only survived due to T3 and the Exile intervening. A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.

Excuse me, my lady. Since when does that make Vitiate the Dark Side itself?

Sure he had tainted the environment of Dromund Kaas - but that does not make him the source of the Dark Side. It is not like Vitiate or any other Dark Side practitioner "remove" their strength in The Force and put it in someone/something else. It just means that they are corrupting the already existing Force energies with their "natural" Dark Side presence.
Vitiate is a conductor of the Dark Side - not the source of it. And that is true for any Dark Side user.

Originally posted by Valkorion
lmfao, you didn't answer my question. Meetra had enough time to ready herself to fight Nyriss, it was 2 v 1, why is Nyriss kicking her ass and why is it not legitimate? If "like Nyriss" really means "instinctively", why wasn't Meetra fast enough to throw up a proper barrier (Nyriss was being attacked by Scourge while fighting Meetra)? Why does she get forced on her knee and open to a lethal hit within seconds were it not for Scourge?

If Meetra really were close to Nyriss there's no way a single lightning blast she deflected with a barrier would knock her down so long she could just sit there and do nothing while Nyriss charged a massive attack

Either Meetra is far weaker than Nyriss, or she is a 0/10 fail incompetent fighter beyond anything we've ever seen

Did you fail to read the part where they dodged her lightning, giving her the chance to split them apart and dive in before they recovered? Of course she went on the defensive. Because Nyriss had the advantage of attacking before they could.

It really wasn't 2 vs. 1 at all given that Scourge gets put on his ass faster than he could even think. Nyriss doesn't break Meetra's defense, but instead is forced to use physical strength to put Surik on her knee which leaves her right flank exposed.

Scourge intervenes by ineffectively Force pushing Nyriss and getting ragdolled for his effort. Meetra rolls away and gets on her feet, then absorbs the follow-up Force lightning.

Where are you getting this horse manure that Meetra couldn't do anything when we don't actually know what it was Meetra did because the entire fight is from Scourge's point of view. He admits he couldn't do anything to stop her, because on both occasions where he tries to get involved he gets easily dismissed. Even when he has Nyriss preoccupied he fails to effectively attack her. So of course he is inferior. We have no clue what Meetra was doing but anyone smart would be preparing a tutaminis defense rather than wasting time to get on her feet.

Furthermore, you've utterly failed to understand that Force barriers are canonically ineffectual against focused energy attacks; nevermind the Force lightning attacks of an extremely powerful Darth. That was the entire reason Tutaminis was developed in the first place. It's created to absorb energy rather than trying to simply block it with a barrier. How you lack such a basic understanding of differing Force defense techniques is mind-boggling.

You've also gone and completely ignored the environment too. A dark side nexus so powerful that after 3,700 years of relative abandonment later it was corrupting Kyle Katarn, blocking the light side of the Force entirely for the likes of Ben Skywalker and Mara Jade. As well as seriously hindering the reflexes of not just FOTJ Jaina Solo but the most powerful incarnation of the light side of the Force the Jedi Order ever had, Grand Master Luke Skywalker. So much so that random Sith sabers amplified by it, became a genuine challenge to him and his not inconsiderable back-up.

Originally posted by Meatpants
I don't see parity between novel Revan and Vitiate. Revan surprised with him an unorthodox attack, but then Vitiate proceeds to fry Revan alive.

No parity? Surely this is a joke. I lack the energy to explain this.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cav-showdown-at-the-iron-tower-revan-darthant66-vs-1967266/

Scroll down to Ant's first post and read the Novel Vitiate=Novel Revan section.

@AP: Do the same.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Yep. Vitiate completely ripped through his Tutaminis and paralysed him with his lightning. Revan only survived due to T3 and the Exile intervening. A nexus argument is irrelevant when Vitiate is literally the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas.

Care to give a source fro Vitiate being the source of the dark side on Dromund Kaas?

Cause as far as I'm aware there isn't one.

Dromund Kaas' nexus is directly attributed to the rituals Tenebrae performed there. Check the TOR Encyclopaedia.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
The nexus is directly attributed to the rituals Tenebrae performed on Dromund Kaas. Check the TOR Encyclopaedia.

Just checked his RT and yeah he did create the nexus. This is a blind spot for me because I don't own the SWTORE and have never read it.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Dromund Kaas' nexus is directly attributed to the rituals Tenebrae performed there. Check the TOR Encyclopaedia.

That does not mean Tenebrae could not be amped by the Dark Side nexus. He is not the Source of the Dark Side.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
That does not mean Tenebrae could not be amped by the Dark Side nexus. He is not the Source of the Dark Side.

For once Nadd is right. The quotes don't say Tenebrae was the source of DS energy so he can still be amped by the nexus.

He's literally a dark side nexus who was stated to be the source of power on the planet that brought the Sith back there. The Dark Temple became a nexus because of him. The dark side miasma covering the planet was due to his ritual. The Dark Citadel was emanating dark side energy in the exact same way that it emanated from him.

Why would the most powerful dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see, be reliant on a far lesser one to beat Revan?

Nor do I need to re-read Ant's blog, because what happened was incredibly definitive. He tried to block Tenebrae's lightning with a prepared Tutaminis application, but Tenebrae instantly ripped through it and was electrocuting him to death until T3-M4 forced Tenebrae to break off.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
That does not mean Tenebrae could not be amped by the Dark Side nexus. He is not the Source of the Dark Side.
The nexus is Vitiate's power, Nadd. So he's amped... by himself?

Originally posted by RealistRacism
The nexus is Vitiate's power, Nadd. So he's amped... by himself?

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Tenebrae is not The Dark Side of The Force. He is not the source of it. That is The Son. Tenebrae, like other Darksiders, simply taint places with their malign presence. That is all.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He's literally a dark side nexus who was stated to be the source of power on the planet that brought the Sith back there. The Dark Temple became a nexus because of him. The dark side miasma covering the planet was due to his ritual. The Dark Citadel was emanating dark side energy in the exact same way that it emanated from him.

Why would the most powerful dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see, be reliant on a far lesser one to beat Revan?

Nor do I need to re-read Ant's blog, because what happened was incredibly definitive. He tried to block Tenebrae's lightning with a prepared Tutaminis application, but Tenebrae instantly ripped through it and was electrocuting him to death until T3-M4 forced Tenebrae to break off.

Dark Side nexi are simply "fully" corrupt places or individuals. That is why even Force-users like Skere Kaan, Darth Malak, and Darth Malgus - were presumed to be Dark Side focal points.

Tenebrae is not the source of The Dark Side. That is The Son. Darksiders are merely Dark Side conductors and/or accumulators.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
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Tenebrae is not The Dark Side of The Force. He is not the source of it. That is The Son. Tenebrae, like other Darksiders, simply taint places with their malign presence. That is all.
So the argument is, no one's power is truly their own, it's all just the Mortis gods? I guess there was no more dark or light sides when the Son and Daughter both died then... Oh wait, there was.

Vitiate's power is his own, and he corrupted Dromund Kaas. So any power residing there that he could possibly draw from, belongs to him anyway.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He's literally a dark side nexus who was stated to be the source of power on the planet that brought the Sith back there. The Dark Temple became a nexus because of him. The dark side miasma covering the planet was due to his ritual. The Dark Citadel was emanating dark side energy in the exact same way that it emanated from him.

Why would the most powerful dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see, be reliant on a far lesser one to beat Revan?

Nor do I need to re-read Ant's blog, because what happened was incredibly definitive. He tried to block Tenebrae's lightning with a prepared Tutaminis application, but Tenebrae instantly ripped through it and was electrocuting him to death until T3-M4 forced Tenebrae to break off.

Seriously? He did block Tenebrae's lightning or at least most of it. The fact that Tenebrae's lightning was far more potent than Darth Nyriss's who casually incinerated security guards should suggest that Revan did block most of the lightning considering it didn't kill him and the most he came off with was a few second degree burns.

Yes Tenebrae is more powerful than Revan but to suggest there isn't parity is kinda moronic.

Furthermore Revan got within striking distance of Tenebrae at the start of the duel and nearly killed him (he maybe could have if the starting distance was closer) which caused Tenebrae to create numerous safeguards to stop his vunerability which suggests Revan was indeed close to Tenebrae.

Just in general to suggest Revan wasn't close to Tenebrae goes against authorial intent and the fight itself.

>Tenebrae is far superior to Revan.

>Tenebrae is given a relatively good fight by Revan before being overwhelmed.

Next goalpost please.

I mean there's a difference between having some level of parity and being a near-equal, which you suggested HP.

It's clear that Revan's good enough to give Vitiate a scare, but he'll lose decisively each time.

Any version of Revan destroys Nihilus

Originally posted by RealistRacism
I mean there's a difference between having some level of parity and being a near-equal, which you suggested HP.

It's clear that Revan's good enough to give Vitiate a scare, but he'll lose decisively each time.

Where did I ever suggest they were near equals?

The only reason I started this debate was to point out that if Vitiate were more powerful than Nihilus right after draining Nathema (which AP has frequently said) then surely Revan as of the novel would be more powerful than Nihilus (which AP was against) considering he gave a fight to Vitiate who had grown in power for 1000 years since then.

Also I don't think he would "lose decisively each time" considering if the starting distance were closer he could have quite possibly killed Vitiate.

I took your telling of AP to read Ant's 'Revan = Vitiate' arguments on CV as a clear endorsement of the position... But okay then.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
I took your telling of AP to read Ant's 'Revan = Vitiate' arguments on CV as a clear endorsement of the position... But okay then.

I told it to read those because I was to lazy to type out the Revan vs Vitiate arguments in full not because I agree with the overall position.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
So the argument is, no one's power is truly their own, it's all just the Mortis gods? I guess there was no more dark or light sides when the Son and Daughter both died then... Oh wait, there was.

Vitiate's power is his own, and he corrupted Dromund Kaas. So any power residing there that he could possibly draw from, belongs to him anyway.

I used The Son as the "true" source of The Dark Side - as example - because that is what most KMC members believe. If you do not want to believe that; be my guest.

And you have not countered anything.



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How does that make sense though? It's basically saying you can't be amped off your own nexus, or that the character is somehow leaving his power behind and therefore weakening himself by creating a nexus unless he's at the nexus.

It's a show of power/DA DARKSIDE to create the nexus, but it doesn't mean everyone gets amped by the nexus except you.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
How does that make sense though? It's basically saying you can't be amped off your own nexus, or that the character is somehow leaving his power behind and therefore weakening himself by creating a nexus unless he's at the nexus.

It's a show of power/DA DARKSIDE to create the nexus, but it doesn't mean everyone gets amped by the nexus except you.

I do not know if you are trying to counter my posts. But, yes - creating a Dark Side nexus does not mean you are not getting its benefits given you are not The Source of the Dark Side. There are no multiple versions of Dark Side.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Tenebrae is not The Dark Side of The Force. He is not the source of it. That is The Son. Tenebrae, like other Darksiders, simply taint places with their malign presence. That is all.
The Son is also a Force user just like his father:

"The Son was an embodiment of the dark side of the Force who dwelled on Mortis during the Clone Wars with his sister, the light-sider known as Daughter, and the powerful Force user known as Father, who tried to keep them in balance." - Star Wars Databank

The embodiment of the dark side of the Force = hype factor. Tenebrae have similar hype in literature.

"The Daughter of Mortis is a Force-wielder who aligns herself with the light side of the Force. An enigmatic being of tall stature who can transform into a griffin, she is the selfless counterpoint to her brother, the Son, who has allied himself with the dark side." - Star Wars Databank

Force user and Force-wielder are synonymous terms, and imply the same thing; Galen Marek is stated to be a Force-wielder in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia for instance.

"In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can. The Father maintained balance between his Daughter and his Son, who expressed affinity to the light and dark side of the Force, respectively. The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance. His goal was the same described in an ancient Jedi prophecy -- the rise of a Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force." - Star Wars Databank

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The Force is an energy field, and below is a good explanation of its nature:

https://i.ibb.co/3FVLv9m/The-Force1.png

Snapshot taken from The Force and Destiny Core Rulebook

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Tenebrae is the source of corruption of Dromund Kaas; his actions had a lasting impact on the environment of this planet. Tenebrae would have an easier time in bending his subjects to his will, in an environment strong in the dark side.

Tenebrae would be a super-strong Force user in any environment touched by the Force; nothing imply otherwise. Nathema was the only environment where he admitted to the Outlander that his powers were compromised (VOID FACTOR). Even in this terribly disadvantaged scenario, Tenebrae was able to SHIELD the Outlander from damaging effects of Nathema.

On the other hand, Revan was not at a disadvantage on Dromund Kaas, or any environment strong in the dark side in general. At this stage, he could wield the dark side to his advantage much like a Sith Lord.

Therefore;

Revan versus Tenebrae showdown on Dromund Kaas was FAIR; nobody was at a disadvantage in this case. Tenebrae overwhelmed Revan with his powers, and KILLED his opponent, but Revan's allies managed to intervene in the most crucial of moments to save Revan TWICE, during the course of this fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD



Revan didn't use the DS though. The only time he's noted to have used it is when Vitiate tries to dominate his mind and he opens himself up to both sides of the force and sends Vitiate flying.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Seriously? He did block Tenebrae's lightning or at least most of it. The fact that Tenebrae's lightning was far more potent than Darth Nyriss's who casually incinerated security guards should suggest that Revan did block most of the lightning considering it didn't kill him and the most he came off with was a few second degree burns.

Yes Tenebrae is more powerful than Revan but to suggest there isn't parity is kinda moronic.

Furthermore Revan got within striking distance of Tenebrae at the start of the duel and nearly killed him (he maybe could have if the starting distance was closer) which caused Tenebrae to create numerous safeguards to stop his vunerability which suggests Revan was indeed close to Tenebrae.

Just in general to suggest Revan wasn't close to Tenebrae goes against authorial intent and the fight itself.



His attempt to absorb his lightning failed, he was literally being killed. It's a testament to his durability that he doesn't get incinerated on the spot but it's the same logic to try and explain away why Sheev who has disintegrated beings with lightning didn't do the same to Windu before he blasted him out or whoever else.

It's very impressive that he managed to heal himself after the fact, but given the likes of a dying Master Fay could've healed herself back to full strength, but instead did the same for Kenobi, implies that Force heal may not be as overly demanding as we might believe.

Freaking Barsen'thor III was using a fatal shielding technique a good seven times until he fought Rajavari.

I see no reason to believe that Revan doesn't get taken down 10/10, every time.

I am not even going to argue the speed by which Vitiate summoned that FLS, I.E. faster than Revan could close the gap or counter with his own attack.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Son is also a Force user just like his father:

"The Son was an embodiment of the dark side of the Force who dwelled on Mortis during the Clone Wars with his sister, the light-sider known as Daughter, and the powerful Force user known as Father, who tried to keep them in balance." - Star Wars Databank

The embodiment of the dark side of the Force = hype factor. Tenebrae have similar hype in literature.

"The Daughter of Mortis is a Force-wielder who aligns herself with the light side of the Force. An enigmatic being of tall stature who can transform into a griffin, she is the selfless counterpoint to her brother, the Son, who has allied himself with the dark side." - Star Wars Databank

Force user and Force-wielder are synonymous terms, and imply the same thing; Galen Marek is stated to be a Force-wielder in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia for instance.

"In the mysterious realm of Mortis there exists a trio of beings able to wield the Force in ways no known mortals of the galaxy can. The Father maintained balance between his Daughter and his Son, who expressed affinity to the light and dark side of the Force, respectively. The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance. His goal was the same described in an ancient Jedi prophecy -- the rise of a Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force." - Star Wars Databank

---

The Force is an energy field, and below is a good explanation of its nature:

https://i.ibb.co/3FVLv9m/The-Force1.png

Snapshot taken from The Force and Destiny Core Rulebook

---

Tenebrae is the source of corruption of Dromund Kaas; his actions had a lasting impact on the environment of this planet. Tenebrae would have an easier time in bending his subjects to his will, in an environment strong in the dark side.

Tenebrae would be a super-strong Force user in any environment touched by the Force; nothing imply otherwise. Nathema was the only environment where he admitted to the Outlander that his powers were compromised (VOID FACTOR). Even in this terribly disadvantaged scenario, Tenebrae was able to SHIELD the Outlander from damaging effects of Nathema.

On the other hand, Revan was not at a disadvantage on Dromund Kaas, or any environment strong in the dark side in general. At this stage, he could wield the dark side to his advantage much like a Sith Lord.

Therefore;

Revan versus Tenebrae showdown on Dromund Kaas was FAIR; nobody was at a disadvantage in this case. Tenebrae overwhelmed Revan with his powers, and KILLED his opponent, but Revan's allies managed to intervene in the most crucial of moments to save Revan TWICE, during the course of this fight.

I said that The Son was The Source to give him as example because that is what most KMC or Comic Vine members believe. If you do not want to accept this concept. Alright.
Read carefully my posts next time.