Dick Grayson vs Frank Castle

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TheVaultDweller
Titans Dick Grayson

vs

Netflx/MCU Punisher.

- Fist fight inside a steel cage.
- Both characters are in full rage mode.

Who wins?

FrothByte
Haven't watched Titans yet. It's it any good?

TheVaultDweller
I'm enjoying it so far and have found it to be a lot better than the initial trailers made it out to be.

And it has some decent action scenes. I could post a couple to give you an idea of what Dick is capable of, but some of them are rather spoiler-heavy, due to the situations where they take place.

The only real non-spoiler one is this, as it happens very early on in the show, but it doesn't really convey his H2H skill. It's more of a gear feat:

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riv6672
Going Punisher.

Both are (different types of) gear dependent, but Punisher seems to have inhereted his comics version damage soak.

TheVaultDweller
Well, in a recent episode, Dick defeated a group of armed security guards, shrugging off being tazered twice, despite being heavily drugged and weakened to the point where he'd been basically catatonic only minutes earlier.

Which seems comparable to me to Frank taking out the group of armed inmates while still somewhat recovering from the injuries suffered at the hands of the Irish.

riv6672
Not bad...thumb up

BruceSkywalker
I've been able to watch the Titans show... just need to watch the last episodes.. right now I think Grayson but may change my mind later this evening

Dreampanther
Grayson. At the moment he seems to be a really good match for DD rather than Frank. Frank can fight and take a punishment, but both these guys are CQ combat specialists and both of them have better feats in h2h from what I remember.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Grayson. At the moment he seems to be a really good match for DD rather than Frank. Frank can fight and take a punishment, but both these guys are CQ combat specialists and both of them have better feats in h2h from what I remember.

I'd still be inclined to back Matt there, as things stand. Simply due to the fact that, while Dick has been very impressive so far, he hasn't quite gone up against the caliber of opponent Matt has. Daredevil has fought Kingpin, Punisher, Iron Fist, Black Sky Elektra (who likely has at least comparable stats to the Nuclear family, but is much more skilled), Stick, Bullseye, Nobu, Bakuto and Murakami. And, at least when relatively healthy, performed well against all of them (on top of having feats like beating groups of guys while badly hurt, flooring 5 Hand ninjas in 10 seconds, beating 3 cops with his hands cuffed behind his back etc.).

So, if we're taking a fully healthy, peak Matt, then I would still back him. But once Dick gets some more fights against more recognised opponents, in terms of skill, I could see my opinion potentially shifting. Of course, I am also talking pure H2H. Dick's Robin gear is much better than Matt's DD gear, so I could see him pull a win in a geared fight. Not only does his suit seem a bit sturdier, his staff can do the same thing Matt's billy club does, and that is just one of Robin's toys.

Dreampanther
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

So, if we're taking a fully healthy, peak Matt, then I would still back him. But once Dick gets some more fights against more recognised opponents, in terms of skill, I could see my opinion potentially shifting. Of course, I am also talking pure H2H. Dick's Robin gear is much better than Matt's DD gear, so I could see him pull a win in a geared fight. Not only does his suit seem a bit sturdier, his staff can do the same thing Matt's billy club does, and that is just one of Robin's toys.

Based simply on the amount of screen feats, I have to agree with you. I just hope the comic gods hear my prayers and Titans gets renewed so we can have this conversation again some day.

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