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Wonder Woman is bloodlusted, Clark is bloodlusted. Can Superman react to someone who can fight and react at FTL speeds? As far as I'm aware, New 52 is only good at travel speed but his fastest reaction time is at a thousandth of a second (millisecond speed, peak human). Overall he's about massively hypersonic, but no where near relativistic, so I think Diana can blitz him with her magic sword and lasso.

They already fought and had showings against similar characters and Diana did better in both.

Yea he'd beat her for all the same old reasons.

Originally posted by carver9
They already fought and had showings against similar characters and Diana did better in both. What do you mean? Can you expound on that?Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea he'd beat her for all the same old reasons. The same old reasons used to be: Superman was much faster in combat speed and reflexes, and his physicals were all around better. In this fight, Superman lost his main advantage, so he's essentially a superstrong brick that might not even see Diana because she's so much faster than him. She can cut him, he probably can't touch her

Originally posted by XLR87T3
What do you mean? Can you expound on that? The same old reasons used to be: Superman was much faster in combat speed and reflexes, and his physicals were all around better. In this fight, Superman lost his main advantage, so he's essentially a superstrong brick that might not even see Diana because she's so much faster than him. She can cut him, he probably can't touch her
Wut? Since when is Diana FTL?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Since when is Diana FTL? Batman says her reaction time is superior to Superman's
https://i.imgur.com/xQNwxGc.jpg

Lassos Amazo before he can react or move
https://m.imgur.com/a/GOOzR

Catching the Flash stuck in super-speed,
https://m.imgur.com/a/JutpM

in the exact same issue he said something that implies picosecond reaction times
https://m.imgur.com/a/HxuUk

Hits Hunter Zolomon and then lasso's him, Hunter was explicitly moving at near/at lightpseed
https://m.imgur.com/a/e9FH2

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Batman says her reaction time is superior to Superman's
https://i.imgur.com/xQNwxGc.jpg

Lassos Amazo before he can react or move
https://m.imgur.com/a/GOOzR

Catching the Flash stuck in super-speed,
https://m.imgur.com/a/JutpM

in the exact same issue he said something that implies picosecond reaction times
https://m.imgur.com/a/HxuUk

Hits Hunter Zolomon and then lasso's him, Hunter was explicitly moving at near/at lightpseed
https://m.imgur.com/a/e9FH2
And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

Which was shown when she blitzed her too.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gs6wiWUkCXk/VngPpp1GNuI/AAAAAAAAOqQ/CCdj8EycN-g/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

The Amazo scene? It was Roy Harper who was unable to react.

Superman was casually handling Diana and Firestorm both in the same issue where she caught Flash.

And Zoom was toying with her. When he wanted, she couldn't even touch him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

I like to think that Dinah and Diana began scissoring right after she complemented her skills

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I like to think that Dinah and Diana began scissoring right after she complemented her skills
You're telling me they didn't? Them's fighting words!

uhuh

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is bloodlusted, Clark is bloodlusted. Can Superman react to someone who can fight and react at FTL speeds? As far as I'm aware, New 52 is only good at travel speed but his fastest reaction time is at a thousandth of a second (millisecond speed, peak human). Overall he's about massively hypersonic, but no where near relativistic, so I think Diana can blitz him with her magic sword and lasso.

Why isnt WW indisputably FTL when she is powered by the godwave which powers the speedforce?

Jay Garrick is also speed force powered. He's not FTL.

Superman showed planetary plus strength. Would this even be competitive?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jay Garrick is also speed force powered. He's not FTL.

She's powered by the godwave, though, iirc

Originally posted by TGATES
Why isnt WW indisputably FTL when she is powered by the godwave which powers the speedforce?
Seriously? Originally posted by TGATES
She's powered by the godwave, though, iirc
Again, seriously?

That was one of the origins for her. It's quickly forgotten.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

Which was shown when she blitzed her too.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gs6wiWUkCXk/VngPpp1GNuI/AAAAAAAAOqQ/CCdj8EycN-g/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

The Amazo scene? It was Roy Harper who was unable to react.

Superman was casually handling Diana and Firestorm both in the same issue where she caught Flash.

And Zoom was toying with her. When he wanted, she couldn't even touch him. Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

Same in Sacrifice.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dro2sl
https://tinyurl.com/y89u6fwn

They were fighting in a span of 1 minute 44 seconds, at FTL speeds, Superman was faster but again she wasn't a statue and managed to defeat him when he was amped by the solar radiation of the sun while she was holding back. She got her hits in, he wasn't always able to react, they were close in reflexes and speed. New 52 Superman is no where near as quick as them, Post Crisis Superman had nanosecond reaction time.

Can you show me that it was only Roy Harper's powers that Amazo copied?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

She didn't blitz PG, it was simply a bullrush.

First of all, the whole point of Sacrifice was that Superman was out of his mind and not fighting intelligently. That's about as useful to determine her speed as the time Deathstroke was stated to be faster than her.

And no, Superman wasn't amped. He was affected by kryptonite actually.

New 52 Superman is explicitly as powerful as post crisis Superman.

It was Roy who was narrating it. And it was a faulty Amazo, Batman sawed its legs off on the next page.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Since when is Diana FTL? Goddammit, abhi. I was waiting for the right talk to bust this myth.

Go ahead now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She didn't blitz PG, it was simply a bullrush.
She still wasn't able to react, and Wonder Woman easily incapacitated her when she got serious.


Superman was fighting intelligently, J'onn literally says he does despite Clark being mind controlled. Wonder Woman notes it as well.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-Sacrifice/TPB?id=104140#84


He was right next to the sun, so he was more powerful than he was before. The kryptonite did nothing, he didn't even give it pause or notice it, he wasn't weakened when he punched Diana from the sun all the way to earth

Prove that hes as fast in reactions & reflexes as Post Crisis Superman

What is the book? I want to read it myself.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

Same in Sacrifice.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dro2sl
https://tinyurl.com/y89u6fwn

They were fighting in a span of 1 minute 44 seconds, at FTL speeds, Superman was faster but again she wasn't a statue and managed to defeat him when he was amped by the solar radiation of the sun while she was holding back. She got her hits in, he wasn't always able to react, they were close in reflexes and speed. New 52 Superman is no where near as quick as them, Post Crisis Superman had nanosecond reaction time.

Can you show me that it was only Roy Harper's powers that Amazo copied?

The entire fight didn't take place in 1 minute and 44 seconds. Max Lord start recording the fight when Superman lunched her from the sun to Earth.

Originally posted by TGATES
She's powered by the godwave, though, iirc

And Jay is powered by the Speedforce.

Doesn't mean he's FTL.

Originally posted by carver9
The entire fight didn't take place in 1 minute and 44 seconds. Max Lord start recording the fight when Superman lunched her from the sun to Earth.

Meant to say "punched".

Originally posted by carver9
Meant to say "punched".
Still lying about it? The whole fight happened in 1 minute 26 seconds as shown in OMAC project 4. From sun to Earth and back.

https://i.postimg.cc/wyv3Tr4t/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still lying about it? The whole fight happened in 1 minute 26 seconds as shown in OMAC project 4. From sun to Earth and back.

https://i.postimg.cc/wyv3Tr4t/image.jpg

"Brother, initiate track alpha one and Alpha two, full visual".

"Track initiated".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3769095-2078414055-28375.jpg

They are at the sun... "begin recording"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3769096-9450001389-28375.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
"Brother, initiate track alpha one and Alpha two, full visual".

"Track initiated".

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3769095-2078414055-28375.jpg

They are at the sun... "begin recording"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3769096-9450001389-28375.jpg
He is talking about his own recording carter. You can see the time stamps on this scan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still lying about it? The whole fight happened in 1 minute 26 seconds as shown in OMAC project 4. From sun to Earth and back.

https://i.postimg.cc/wyv3Tr4t/image.jpg

Next page, Max started speaking and that's being recorded.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sLGcDIona4w/Vnf0kUntqbI/AAAAAAAAICQ/rWzWvdiG9mQ/s1600-Ic42/RCO010.jpg

I mean you're being an idiot as usual so let's explode the scan.

https://i.postimg.cc/hj8mMW90/image.jpg

Can you see the time stamps or do I need to explode it further?

I already posted my evidence, bro. Two comics showing two different things doesn't sway what I said.

Except that "evidence" is not even an evidence. It's you trying to lowball it again after being corrected multiple times. Both comics were written by the same writer too.

Get out with this shit.

"Why? He has already been shown as completely equal to post crisis Superman."

How? Did he ever fight Pre Flashpoint Superman?

Post crisis Superman became new 52 Superman when mxy erased his memories.

If you're saying that New 52 Superman is just Post Crisis Superman with different memories then that's not what the feats show. They are two different beings who can do different things, like the solar flare or (in Post Crisis' case) nanosecond reflexes

Originally posted by XLR87T3
If you're saying that New 52 Superman is just Post Crisis Superman with different memories then that's not what the feats show. They are two different beings who can do different things, like the solar flare or (in Post Crisis' case) nanosecond reflexes

I'm not saying that, the comics have shown that.

https://i.postimg.cc/H8zbZLsr/543-07.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4ngMSFxG/543-10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G9xNwJ4y/543-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fJWPwtdg/543-12.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mtd5hLNZ/543-13.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/21VXZs2Q/543-14.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fVpqj8r6/543-15.jpg

This is not one of the ambiguous things which you can argue otherwise.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Go ahead now. I was hoping I'd have a bz where I'm a Marvel char, and Damborg would be WW, and do it there.

Most of her 'omg' speed feats are Midgard Serpent level of misinterpretation.

I know.

I'm just waiting for her to break into the SF under her own powah

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm just waiting for her to break into the SF under her own powah https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/741948-jla43pg078pu.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/741949-jla43pg081oz.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not saying that, the comics have shown that.

https://i.postimg.cc/H8zbZLsr/543-07.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4ngMSFxG/543-10.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G9xNwJ4y/543-11.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fJWPwtdg/543-12.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mtd5hLNZ/543-13.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/21VXZs2Q/543-14.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fVpqj8r6/543-15.jpg

This is not one of the ambiguous things which you can argue otherwise. Show me where it says they're equal in powers and abilities

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Show me where it says they're equal in powers and abilities
I'm sorry? They are literally the same being with a few memories missing but somehow have different speed? How does that work?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm sorry? They are literally the same being with a few memories missing but somehow have different speed? How does that work? Feats

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Feats

that's performed by the same person. you are not very smart
one character's feats can fluctuate through out time

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Feats
Even by feats New 52 Superman is at least equal to post crisis Superman.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Red-Hood-And-The-Outlaws-2011/Issue-14?id=16850

Even post crisis Superman can't fly back from Pluto, search entire Earth and locate three beings on Earth within a minute.

@Phildo: jokes on you, WW is FTL in that scene, Wally is obv MFTL running backwards