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Billy with all the powers of SHAZAM takes on Carol on goes into Binary mode for this fight, you chose the location, who wins.

Carrol, for all her hype, is pretty garbage strangely enough.

Billy would absolutely rock her shit.

Just to inerate here that when I said 'all the powers of Shazam' I meant Billy's standard Capt. Marvel form, not all the power of the wizard himself.

Carol isn't garbage, power wise, she can match Iron-man who is a multi-mountain buster. But DC's Captain Marvel is a guy almost as strong as Wonder Woman, who moved 1/3 the earth's mass and physically dominates Powergirl and Faora. He can grab her and not let go, and that would be the end of the fight.

almost as strong as WW? no he's stronger

Originally posted by MrMind
almost as strong as WW? no he's stronger

We'll inevitably see him post the scan all WW fanboys do that refers to Dianna as above him. Whennhe does let it be known its a dream sequence of a neophite Billy

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Carol isn't garbage, power wise, she can match Iron-man who is a multi-mountain buster. But DC's Captain Marvel is a guy almost as strong as Wonder Woman, who moved 1/3 the earth's mass and physically dominates Powergirl and Faora. He can grab her and not let go, and that would be the end of the fight.

Iron Man is still only a high meta. He's impressive, for metas.

Billy is impressive, except for heralds.

I also keep seeing him reference moving 1/3 of the Earth's mass. Can't say that definitively.

superman prob moves most of it in that instance, consider superman is the only one out of the three has multiple planetary strength feats

Originally posted by Damborgson
Carrol, for all her hype, is pretty garbage strangely enough.

Billy would absolutely rock her shit.

All things considered, yeah.

She doesn't get many impressive showings, works with a team a lot in order to win fights... sometimes she's not even present on the battlefield, like most recently against the Hulk.

Strange indeed. Luke Cage gets sucked by every writer, one would think they would to the same thing to their "strong independent woman".

She's like Sentry, far too powerful.

She'd have ended Hulk with her pinky.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I also keep seeing him reference moving 1/3 of the Earth's mass. Can't say that definitively. They assume all 3 pulled the same weight.

Which is a....weird assumption.

Billy shitstomps, though.

I've said it before, but Carol's "push" was basically her getting more appearances, a haircut, and a very mild strength upgrade in her base form.

She isn't Jane. And beating the shit out of Gamora's overhyped ass is something she could already do.

Carol's presence managed to make Blue Marvel weaker.

Somehow he is a lot less impressive ever since they were on the same team.

Pretty sad.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I also keep seeing him reference moving 1/3 of the Earth's mass. Can't say that definitively.

Billy?

I thought that was Superman, Wonder Woman, and... Hal?


Either way, Cap's one case where scaling makes sense, given his entire career, he and Superman are narratively compared as peers, shown in arm wrestling stalemates, fighting to draw, or Superman being unable to physically budge Billy's nemesis from his spot.

It was Supes, WW and MMH in the Obsidian Age. They were then beginning to lose it.

In any case, one cannot definitively say they all pulled equally.

It doesn't even make sense to say they pulled the Earth's "mass".

Billy beats Non Binary Carol after a good fight.

Billy gets beaten by Binary Carol every single time though.

Binary Carol loses too.

She doesn't have anything close to Billy's speed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Binary Carol loses too.

She doesn't have anything close to Billy's speed.
Speed? What has he done that's impressive combat speed wise?

Binary Carol dwarfs him power wise.

Black Adam gave Jay enough speed to break the time barrier. He's about equal to Caps power set.

He also outright slapped Jay out of a speed blitz once, and kept up with him in another fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
Speed? What has he done that's impressive combat speed wise?

Binary Carol dwarfs him power wise.
He has flown at near lightspeed to counteract Flash moving at the same speed across the planet.

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How's she more powerful than Billy?

Billy would beat her with a smile, new Billy would have to work for it harder.

Billy also zipped around the Earth herding clouds at a continent sized level to make them spell out a sentence.

Lol at Binary dwarfing the power of a guy who was taking shots from the Specter, even while unamped.

Binary is even more overrated than hypothetical J'onn.

Reading the exchange again, I think Zop might be thinking this is post-Flashpoint Shazam.

Billy stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
Billy stomps. Even against an Binary empowered Carol?