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Was Exar Kun The Darkest Power In The Galaxy?

We all know the quote:
https://i.imgur.com/JYoL2HH.jpg



But my question to you is:

Was he?

The end.



I have my suspicions.

First off, he's seen on Ossus mingling with Jedi and they see nothing wrong even with him directly speaking of Darkside powers
https://imgur.com/bAx6JBd
https://imgur.com/AuBRS0K
https://imgur.com/q0ezjbt



Odan-Urr immediately senses the Darkside in Exar Kun, indicating he wasn't trying to mask his power. The Jedi then immediately entered indicating they were nearby:
https://imgur.com/DX616xT
https://imgur.com/aMqwkGi



Then, we see the Jedi arrive on Yavin IV and Oss immediately recognizes something wrong, and realizes how Dark Yavin was. Indicating he wasn't totally confused as to what the Darkside felt like.
https://imgur.com/EWs4pMp
https://imgur.com/1GOH67m
https://imgur.com/yc8XpJm
https://imgur.com/OFHVsVf



Then Kun needs to use Sith Spirits to corrupt the Jedi:
https://imgur.com/SG2kUd3
https://imgur.com/rubzIpS
https://imgur.com/yuHdZPY



Additional context:

Exar Kun before he fully embraced the Darkside could sense the potency of Korriban as well
https://imgur.com/s14sQ6p

And Aleema could sense their Darkside energy 6 months earlier
https://imgur.com/lJdwNSJ



Kun had cut himself off from the Lightside and could only call on the Darkside before he gained a Darkside amulet:
https://imgur.com/ZPMs6j3
https://imgur.com/2j9rJj7
https://imgur.com/mBGfVyA

https://imgur.com/t7akWn7
https://imgur.com/Y7b3NMv

Kun gets the Amulet and realizes his power is in the Darkside:
https://imgur.com/2lLGOYK
https://imgur.com/M4caTnV



He then falls completely under Sith teachings:
https://imgur.com/bUdYMFO



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So what does the top part mean exactly?

It means that the Jedi knew what Darkside energy felt like from Yavin IV, yet they couldn't sense that same energy in Sith amulets, Kun, or from Kun killing their master with his power. Or from traveling with Kun after "the darkest power in the galaxy became darker."

Which would mean that Yavin IV outside the sith temples contained a greater concentration of Darkside energy than Kun. Which would mean he is not the actual Darkest power in the galaxy if taken literally and think it applies to every nexus in the galaxy for whatever reason, even retroactively...

Obviously I'm not championing their force-reading ability, but the fact that Yavin was so overwhelming that Oss couldn't help but feel it, yet he couldn't feel that from Kun speaks volumes imo.



So, what's the importance of Exar using and studying almost-certainly Darkside powers exclusively? It means that he's unlikely projecting some sort of Lightside energy to mask his presence. All he did was become more enveloped in the Darkside since he abandoned the Lightside. Now, I'm not saying he couldn't use the Lightside at all (though...), but I am saying that he only became darker and more knowledgeable in the dark arts. Plus realizing his power with the Sith Amulet as well.

As we saw, Odan could still sense his Dark presence. Which brings it even more in question that he was somehow masking his power.



The Sith Spirits is to show that it's further silly to compare him to Nexuses that literally drain, corrupt, or overwhelm people on their own. Merely being the presence of Kun should accomplish the same results if he is indeed above Nexuses like Naga Sadow's Tomb, and the like.

And Exar sensing Korriban outside the extreme sites is just further proof of that, and shows that a relatively inexperienced Jedi in Sith Knowledge can still sense lesser Dark energies. And if inexperienced Jedi can sense Yavin or better Jedi can sense Korriban, it stands to reason that they should be able to sense the Darkest Nexus in the galaxy who isn't trying to mask his power, right after he killed a Jedi Master within feet of them.



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So do I think the quote is worthless? No. I think all it's saying is that he's the Darkest (active) force of power in the galaxy. It's that simple. He's the Darkest being, the Darkest agent of power. Or simply, that he's the evilest being in the galaxy as shown by him murdering Jedi Masters.

Within the context of that comic, I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't depicted above planetary nexuses.

But what do you think fine readers? Discuss.

Jman kicks his ass

The quote literally defines it as power by stating he's walking away with something that'll make him even more powerful. A simple contradiction that isn't actually a contradiction doesn't negate an entire narrative quote.

Yeah this quote is obviously hyperbolic, he is still one of the strongest Sith but using this to argue he is above nexuses that can let people force push entire fleets of star ships outside of the Yavin star system is a massive leap in logic.

Luke literally says that is exactly what he is, not to mention he demonstrates that he is via Kyp.

That's always been my interpretation as well. Now sure how tf "darkest power" = "greatest power" or "most powerful evil."

The context is self-explanatory, though.

"Darkest" as in "Most Evil", so basically Kun's just the meanest person in the galaxy

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Jman kicks his ass

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Let's get back to topic.

Short answer?

No.

Long Answer?

OBM's excellent post.

One Big Fail's post literally defeats itself though.

Originally posted by AncientPisser
My posts literally defeat themselves and I get destroyed by OBM daily though.

You literally suck OBF's c0ck, we know. Don't be so obvious about it, it's humiliating. If you do, on the other hand, discover testicles, then we can debate it.

The idea that Exar Kun is below the nexus is laughable entirely because if the nexus was stronger than him he wouldn't have been so piss weak during the events of the Academy Trilogy and would have probably been able to restore himself to life long before, seeing as both natural nexuses and the force energy Kun needed to restore himself are both the living force

The idea the nexus was so much stronger than him is silly, simply because when you look at all his statements and feats, and then make logical inferences about whats being presented, the idea doesn't hold up.

Originally posted by AncientPisser
You literally suck OBF's c0ck, we know. Don't be so obvious about it, it's humiliating. If you do, on the other hand, discover testicles, then we can debate it.

You haven't been on discord lol, OBM and I get pissed at each other daily, you're just this reatrded lol.

'Reatrded'

Literal self-harm at this point.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
"Darkest" as in "Most Evil", so basically Kun's just the meanest person in the galaxy

To be fair, I don't think Exar Kun is that evil compare to other Sith Lords, he overall just wants to conquer the galaxy with savage way, not trying to eat everything up.

Of course he's quite evil.

It literally confirms in the very next sentence that the quote is referring to actual power in the Force. Like, this is a fail even for OBF standards.

Originally posted by AncientPower
'Reatrded'

Literal self-harm at this point.

Shhh don't cry. We're here for you. Please don't harm yourself.

We know you're retarded and can't even spell.

Originally posted by AncientPower
'Reatrded'

Literal self-harm at this point.

AP tring so hard to bait, pretending it's never made spelling errors.

Trying*

Sorry, on mobile RN.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It literally confirms in the very next sentence that the quote is referring to actual power in the Force. Like, this is a fail even for OBF standards. Why do you keep trying to insult me? I've been nothing but civil to you besides my playful sig.

Genuine question, before I stop being friendly.

'Playful'

It's outright mockery and you know it full well.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
We all know the quote:
https://i.imgur.com/JYoL2HH.jpg
The Jedi Order was unaware of even greater source of EVIL back then, and we have a definite quote:

"The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed."

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Ever = at all times; always.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Jedi Order was unaware of even greater source of EVIL back then, and we have a definite quote:

"The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed."

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

Ever = at all times; always.

You literally said in another thread that a source was written by historians and was therefore not reliable. Double standards much. The SWTOR Encyclopedia was also written by historians.

Who gives a shit what the Jedi Order knew? This is the narrator stating as fact that he is the darkest power in the galaxy. Unless you have a source that states Tenebrae is the most powerful dark sider as of the TOTJ timeline then your point is moot.

Originally posted by HP Legend
You literally said in another thread that a source was written by historians and was therefore not reliable. Double standards much. The SWTOR Encyclopedia was also written by historians.
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia is not the account of historians, but a definitive source.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia is the account of historians on the other hand.

I did not question the reliability of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia; I just wanted to remind the relevant member that his line of reasoning apply to his posts as well. The exchange was between me and him, so you wouldn't know.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Who gives a shit what the Jedi Order knew? This is the narrator stating as fact that he is the darkest power in the galaxy. Unless you have a source that states Tenebrae is the most powerful dark sider as of the TOTJ timeline then your point is moot.
Sorry to disappoint you but this statement:

"The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed."

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

- crystal clear.

Ever = at all times; always.

Tenebrae was stronger than any Jedi or Sith at any point in time since he became the Sith Emperor. TOTJ timeline is indirectly covered.

Try again.

He IS, the Encyclopedia is set during Chapter 3 of the protag storylines.

Try harder.

You know TOR Enyclodpedia is written in universe right so the accolade only accounts it till up to the end of the Act 3 character storylines as I pointed out? It literally confirms that it was written by historians.

Originally posted by HP Legend
You know TOR Enyclodpedia is written in universe right so the accolade only accounts it till up to the end of the Act 3 character storylines as I pointed out? It literally confirms that it was written by historians.
Where it is stated in the TOR Encyclopedia that it represent the POV of some historians?

The TOR Encyclopedia is in-universe in the sense that it does not provide out-of-universe perspective of developments in the lore. However, its content is DEFINITIVE as in to be taken at face value. Authorial intent is strongly emphasized.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia explicitly advertise the fact that it represent the POV of some historians after consensus. Nevertheless, does it cover anything in regards to the Sith Emperor and his Empire?

Is it so hard to move along with the times? The lore is ever-expanding, and new realities will come to light from time-to-time. Therefore, our judgment should be flexible to an extent.

Besides the statement which I have highlighted, their are additional realities to consider; the Emperor was becoming stronger over time, and he defeated an entire Dark Council centuries before confronting the duo of Revan and Malak for the first time whom he broke in mere seconds*. By the time of Revan, the Emperor was described as 'almost godlike avatar of the dark side'.

*The Emperor was above SoR Revan level of strength before the events of TOTJ.

The word 'ever' in a statement imply "all times" regardless.

Kun is the most powerful Sith of all time behind only Tulak Hord

It is about Exar Kun. It simply tells his fall to The Dark Side.

After all we can see that it uses 'him' when it refers to 'DARKEST POWER'

https://i.imgur.com/aMqwkGi.jpg

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Where it is stated in the TOR Encyclopedia that it represent the POV of some historians?

The TOR Encyclopedia is in-universe in the sense that it does not provide out-of-universe perspective of developments in the lore. However, its content is DEFINITIVE as in to be taken at face value. Authorial intent is strongly emphasized.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia explicitly advertise the fact that it represent the POV of some historians after consensus. Nevertheless, does it cover anything in regards to the Sith Emperor and his Empire?

Is it so hard to move along with the times? The lore is ever-expanding, and new realities will come to light from time-to-time. Therefore, our judgment should be flexible to an extent.

Besides the statement which I have highlighted, their are additional realities to consider; the Emperor was becoming stronger over time, and he defeated an entire Dark Council centuries before confronting the duo of Revan and Malak for the first time whom he broke in mere seconds*. By the time of Revan, the Emperor was described as 'almost godlike avatar of the dark side'.

*The Emperor was above SoR Revan level of strength before the events of TOTJ.

The word 'ever' in a statement imply "all times" regardless.

So you've essentially admitted that it's written under the context of being written by historians after Act 3 of the class storylines so the quote logically doesn't apply to anything after that.

Concession accpeted I guess.

Originally posted by HP Legend
So you've essentially admitted that it's written under the context of being written by historians after Act 3 of the class storylines so the quote logically doesn't apply to anything after that.

Concession accpeted I guess.
SWTOR Encyclopedia is a GUIDE BOOK, genius.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/910tpFWMzzL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81mL%2B2nbHaL.jpg

Now, try to understand what the term "in-universe" actually indicate:

Canon fic, or in-universe fic: Fic that builds off the existing canonical storyline.

Source: https://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11858680/fandom-glossary-fanfiction-explained

Emphasis mine. SWTOR Encyclopedia is in-universe in the sense that it is a work of FICTION in OOU context but ABSOLUTELY TRUE for SWTOR verse. However, it does not represent the work of historians.

If you crave historian perspective of developments in relation to SWTOR project, then consider the works of Jedi Master Gnost-Dural.

Galactic History: https://www.swtor.com/holonet/galactic-history

&

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oqCgGDhBL.jpg

The Emperor was stronger than Exar Kun at any point in time. I accept your concession in advance on the other hand.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
SWTOR Encyclopedia is a GUIDE BOOK, genius.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/910tpFWMzzL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81mL%2B2nbHaL.jpg

Now, try to understand what the term "in-universe" actually indicate:

Canon fic, or in-universe fic: Fic that builds off the existing canonical storyline.

Source: https://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11858680/fandom-glossary-fanfiction-explained

Emphasis mine. SWTOR Encyclopedia is in-universe in the sense that it is a work of FICTION in OOU context but ABSOLUTELY TRUE for SWTOR verse. However, it does not represent the work of historians.

If you crave historian perspective of developments in relation to SWTOR project, then consider the works of Jedi Master Gnost-Dural.

Galactic History: https://www.swtor.com/holonet/galactic-history

&

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oqCgGDhBL.jpg

The Emperor was stronger than Exar Kun at any point in time. I accept your concession in advance on the other hand.

Me while reading your post:

https://media.tenor.com/images/a8fe02fc7431be1c6785d9bd28641fd7/tenor.gif

Edit: How much did you pay for that horsesh|t book?

I don't know if Kun's quote applies to Vitiate given the character was not even created at that time.