Perhaps I am prejudiced against Incels. Incels, lets talk.

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Putinbot1
Yesterday a couple of members noted I seem to have a problem with Incels. I don't like the possibility I'm prejudiced but on reflection perhaps I am. So, Incels, Incel supporters and closet incels help me out. Should Incel for example be on the sexual spectrum. It's involuntary and not a choice, isn't it? But is anyone's sexuality voluntary. Heterosexuals are driven by hormones, socialisation and genetics, other sexualities have no choice either, gays do not choose to be gay. An Incel is not a monk, an incel isn't choosing to be unable to sleep with women...or is he?
Are incels actually completely in control and have decided not to breed. Do Incels see themselves as inferior and use their hands as their girlfriend because they can't socially interact. Incels of the forums, Incel supporters etc. help me out. Why do you Incels make my skin crawl?

Emperordmb
So even though I'm not an incel, incel supporter or closet incel, I'm about to give you some honest feedback that isn't intended as a personal attack.

1. It seems like you use that as something of a reductive explanation for some of the people who hold different opinions than you or oppose modern feminism and the modern social justice movement in order to undermine these positions without addressing them. When you throw the term around it seems more like an unfounded ad hominem than a discussion about the actual phenomenon, and I don't think most of the people criticizing modern progressivism are doing so because they think the SJWs are keeping them from getting laid. Most of the criticism of modern progressivism I've seen relates to either an individualist point of principle, or a free speech/thought point of principle. For me personally that is the case.

And just to be fair and honest, I'll admit to being a virgin, though I wouldn't consider myself a sexually frustrated incel. My own interests lie more in the direction of an emotionally intimate relationship than casual sex. I'm a religious guy whose very passionate about my values and so a woman I would actually want to build that kind of relationship with would be someone with similar enough values and with an actual interest in discussing things of that nature, I love discussing that shit. On top of that I'm also a stoner, so they'd have to not be immediately turned off by that, I can be rather eccentric in real life which some might find offputting, and I'd need to have reasonably decent chemistry with her as well. As such there are plenty of women I find attractive, but only a few I'd actually be interested in pursuing a relationship with. I've set a certain standard on who I'm willing to share myself with, and I'm willing to accept the consequences of that. I'm fine waiting for the right person and until then my left hand will do.

I should note though that I've personally never felt offended by the term incel as if it speaks to something about me, as I don't really consider myself a sexually frustrated person. I just mentioned all that for the sake of honest transparency and to show I'm serious about providing honest feedback and not just attacking you.

2. There's just something about your fixation with incels that seems like you're punching down in a manner of speaking, like you're weirdly focused on attacking a group of people that have hit a certain rock bottom in a manner of speaking, even if it's their own fault, which can come off as kinda delighting in other people's problems in life. It's also just not really a response that serves as anything of a solution to the problem. If their issues are rooted in sexual frustration and a lack of social skills, than further ostracizing them just seems like it would be something that would exacerbate the problem.

As for why they make your skin crawl well that's an easy one. Whiny entitlement and bitterness aren't exactly admirable traits for a person to possess, much less for a community or ideology to be centered around. It comes across as pathetic, and as reflective of a certain weakness in moral character, which could understandably evoke feelings of disgust in people, especially if these are traits exhibited by grown men. It's not that there isn't legitimate criticism of them, believe me there is, it just seems like you have a disproportionately odd level of contempt for them and fixation with them.

As for straight men voluntarily choosing to not have sex with women for reasons other than religious, that's MGTOW and that's kinda it's own thing.

BackFire
The problem people have with incels isn't that they are lonely and pathetic men, or that they've hit rock bottom, it's because they feel entitled to women, they are bitter, and they are not humble about their failings, often blaming all but themselves in very aggressive ways. If they were humble about the fact that they can't get laid or that women don't like them, people would react much better and with more sympathy, but they do nothing to garner said sympathy, and many seem to flat reject it. Plus many legitimately think women should be assigned to them as property by the government because of their inability to get women on their own. Frankly, people who believe such things, even if it's because of otherwise sad circumstantial failings, should be ostracized, attacked, shunned and put down as much as possible. They don't deserve respect or dignity.

Bentley
What I dislike about Incel narrative is that people tend to link lack of sex with fragile masculinity issues that honestly have little to do with it. It feeds into the preconceived notion that sex is a must have commodity and by insisting on it so much you are creating a frustration and feeding it.

Macho overcompensating men can also live shallow sex-fueled lives with no attachment or whatsoever, no love or respect for women etc. and in my eyes those aren't any better than incels but don't get a fraction of the flak the others get

Emperordmb
Originally posted by BackFire
The problem people have with incels isn't that they are lonely and pathetic men, or that they've hit rock bottom, it's because they feel entitled to women, they are bitter, and they are not humble about their failings, often blaming all but themselves in very aggressive ways.
Yeah I said this in my post and I've said this in other posts, and I've posted clips and quotes from Jordan Peterson saying similar things to this.

Originally posted by BackFire
If they were humble about the fact that they can't get laid or that women don't like them, people would react much better and with more sympathy, but they do nothing to garner said sympathy, and many seem to flat reject it. Plus many legitimately think women should be assigned to them as property by the government because of their inability to get women on their own. Frankly, people who believe such things, even if it's because of otherwise sad circumstantial failings, should be ostracized, attacked, shunned and put down as much as possible. They don't deserve respect or dignity.
Eh this is just me personally, but I'd rather see a radical of any kind reformed/redeemed than further pushed down a path that is not good for either them or the people affected by their actions.

Again no part of what I said was meant to be a defense of what the incel community or whatever believes.

BackFire
They have to want to be reformed and redeemed, it can't be forced, and many don't seem to seek it. Instead, they intentionally slam doors on pregnant women in stores and laugh about it. People who do those types of things are too far gone to waste time giving any kind of empathy. If an incel actually works to improve themselves and to become reformed, then, by all means, they should be given the opportunity. If not, they can go play in traffic, they don't deserve to be coddled.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BackFire
They have to want to be reformed and redeemed, it can't be forced, and many don't seem to seek it. Instead, they intentionally slam doors on pregnant women in stores and laugh about it. People who do those types of things are too far gone to waste time giving any kind of empathy. If an incel actually works to improve themselves and to become reformed, then, by all means, they should be given the opportunity. If not, they can go play in traffic, they don't deserve to be coddled. Exactly, which is why I would like to talk to the real incels here. What drives them to behave as they do.

Surtur
Originally posted by Emperordmb


1. It seems like you use that as something of a reductive explanation for some of the people who hold different opinions than you or oppose modern feminism and the modern social justice movement in order to undermine these positions without addressing them. When you throw the term around it seems more like an unfounded ad hominem than a discussion about the actual phenomenon, and I don't think most of the people criticizing modern progressivism are doing so because they think the SJWs are keeping them from getting laid. Most of the criticism of modern progressivism I've seen relates to either an individualist point of principle, or a free speech/thought point of principle. For me personally that is the case.


^Bingo. Hit the nail on the head really. "Incel" has now become like the term "alt right". It's not a term one self applies and then others note, it's a term hurled by one person at someone else they disagree with.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
^Bingo. Hit the nail on the head really. "Incel" has now become like the term "alt right". It's not a term one self applies and then others note, it's a term hurled by one person at someone else they disagree with. Surt, you are very defensive of male issues as you see them. I'm not talking about incel as a term of abuse I'm talking about the incel mindset. Could you help me out here, help me to understand the Incel mentality, why they are so angry with women? Why they post this anger online?

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bentley


Macho overcompensating men can also live shallow sex-fueled lives with no attachment or whatsoever, no love or respect for women etc. and in my eyes those aren't any better than incels but don't get a fraction of the flak the others get I've never met a guy like that.

Putinbot1
I wonder if my prejudice towatds incels is political, because only rightists seem to be incels.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Surt, you are very defensive of male issues as you see them. I'm not talking about incel as a term of abuse I'm talking about the incel mindset. Could you help me out here, help me to understand the Incel mentality, why they are so angry with women? Why they post this anger online?

Yeah see you completely dodged the valid point that was raised and kinda proved my point: you aren't capable of correctly identifying incels lol. Which makes your obsession with them all the more strange.

Bentley
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I've never met a guy like that.

They see themselves as players, you are lucky to never have seen one of these guys as they are toxic sh_theads that pretend to be nice.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I wonder if my prejudice towatds incels is political, because only rightists seem to be incels.

You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice.

jaden_2.0
An Incel should learn to treat women the way other men treat his mother.

Pay them for sex.

Surtur
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
An Incel should learn to treat women the way other men treat his mother.

Pay them for sex.

An incel should learn that fatties need love too.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice. but they all seem linked to anti women rightist stuff. It's a link the papers make.

Bentley
Originally posted by Surtur
You could be onto something. We know you hate the right and since you've deluded yourself into believing incels only exist on the right...of course you'd be prejudice.

Since the (american) left is totally fascinated with identity issues at the moment there is a lack of historical awareness of left-leaning practices that included homophobic and intolerant behavior in the past. Those kind of beliefs and the groups that hold them didn't suddenly turn into alt-right despite what some progressists might say.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bentley
They see themselves as players, you are lucky to never have seen one of these guys as they are toxic sh_theads that pretend to be nice. this is true, ive always been lucky.

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by Surtur
An incel should learn that fatties need love too.

Plenty fat hookers out there.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bentley
Since the (american) left is totally fascinated with identity issues at the moment there is a lack of historical awareness of left-leaning practices that included homophobic and intolerant behavior in the past. Those kind of beliefs and the groups that hold them didn't suddenly turn into alt-right despite what some progressists might say. I'm interested Bentley by your use of the term progessive. It almost appears derogatory. Kind of how some people might use Incel.

Bentley
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'm interested Bentley by your use of the term progessive. It almost appears derogatory. Kind of how some people might use Incel.

I do not consider the term progressist to be derogatory. Unlike what I've come to know about Incels the term takes under a very wide spectrum of beliefs and practices. For starters the current french president (for which I voted) is what I'd call a progressist, I disagree and agree with some of his policies but I find him to be a competent/consistent politician.

Bashar Teg
Im prejudiced against incels. By 'incel' I mean those who subscribe to the incel ideal. I feel no more compelled to reason with incels than I do to reason with fascists. Just another hate cult and I hope they all get curbstomped thumb up

BrolyBlack
PB, incels is really a mental disorder and a disability isnt it? Appears from this it is.

oliq8m8Qph0

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bentley
I do not consider the term progressist to be derogatory. Unlike what I've come to know about Incels the term takes under a very wide spectrum of beliefs and practices. For starters the current french president (for which I voted) is what I'd call a progressist, I disagree and agree with some of his policies but I find him to be a competent/consistent politician. yeah, Macron is a good guy. He has spoke out against Trump better than anyone and his wife would get it too.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
PB, incels is really a mental disorder and a disability isnt it? Appears from this it is.

oliq8m8Qph0 This is the point of the thread, to understand them. I thought of calling it, interview with an incel.

BrolyBlack
I just watched this video, I truly didn't know what an incel was until that video, but it's def, not something to be laughed at. Its a sad state of affairs. Those people need professional help, many of them kill themselves.

jaden_2.0
Seems like guys who've never been socialised. Get them jobs working with the public like in retail. They'll learn how to interact with women in a setting where they're not simply trying to get someone to ****. Once they know how to talk to women in a normal way then they'll find it easier to not come across as a creep.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Im prejudiced against incels. By 'incel' I mean those who subscribe to the incel ideal. I feel no more compelled to reason with incels than I do to reason with fascists. Just another hate cult and I hope they all get curbstomped thumb up That's a point they truly are fascistic in ideals and nature. This is where Surt gets upset about vernacular being used.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Get them jobs

thumb up

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I just watched this video, I truly didn't know what an incel was until that video, but it's def, not something to be laughed at. Its a sad state of affairs. Those people need professional help, many of them kill themselves. Are they any more mentally ill than a racist or islamaphobe though?

Putinbot1
Originally posted by jaden_2.0 Get them jobs missed that, well played.

gold slorg
"Incel community" is obviously terrible and people that consider themselves a part of "community" centered around failing in some aspect of life are always shitty by definition. If you believe your defining trait is some kind of failure, you really have some problems with you.

Healthy people form communities around some kinds of their positive aspects or hobbies or views. Healthy communities center around hobbies like writing, drawing, music, sports, whatever. You know it's a sick community if it's centered around failure.

Now, individual people that just are incels, and don't really feel associated with any kind of community like that, are another story. Obviously they differ from one another. But those that feel a part of such a shitty community are obviously flawed in one way or another.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by gold slorg
"Incel community" is obviously terrible and people that consider themselves a part of "community" centered around failing in some aspect of life are always shitty by definition. If you believe your defining trait is some kind of failure, you really have some problems with you.

Healthy people form communities around some kinds of their positive aspects or hobbies or views. Healthy communities center around hobbies like writing, drawing, music, sports, whatever. You know it's a sick community if it's centered around failure.

Now, individual people that just are incels, and don't really feel associated with any kind of community like that, are another story. Obviously they differ from one another. But those that feel a part of such a shitty community are obviously flawed in one way or another. Good post Sloth. A lot of good points, you are from the star wars forum? Almost unbelievable.

gold slorg
I am the infamous JKBart smile

Star Wars forums are the best place for trolling thumb up

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Putinbot1
That's a point they truly are fascistic in ideals and nature. This is where Surt gets upset about vernacular being used.

If he hypothetically did not subcribe wholly to the incel ideal, I would consider it a huge injustice to lable him as an incel, as if the condition of being completely undesirable to women was some sort of crime.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
If he hypothetically did not subcribe wholly to the incel ideal, I would consider it a huge injustice to lable him as an incel, as if the condition of being completely undesirable to women was some sort of crime. Agreed, but the hatred of women is a terrible thing.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by gold slorg
I am the infamous JKBart smile

Star Wars forums are the best place for trolling thumb up hi Bart, what went down with Jman wasn't cool.

How are you socking so well? You must be some kind of genius. Are you Gustavo Fring?

gold slorg
Originally posted by Putinbot1
hi Bart, what went down with Jman wasn't cool.

How are you socking so well? You must be some kind of genius. Are you Gustavo Fring?

yeah, trolling has to stay on the internet, RL is a simple border, i hardly consider any e-harassment problematic, if somebody stays on a place such as KMC they have to either accept it's nature or move along, but as soon as RL gets targeted, it's another story

unfortunately Kurk wasn't my sock, tho I always considered his maniac GDF threads ****ing masterpieces, one of the best of all time smile

Putinbot1
Originally posted by gold slorg
yeah, trolling has to stay on the internet, RL is a simple border, i hardly consider any e-harassment problematic, if somebody stays on a place such as KMC they have to either accept it's nature or move along, but as soon as RL gets targeted, it's another story

unfortunately Kurk wasn't my sock, tho I always considered his maniac GDF threads ****ing masterpieces, one of the best of all time smile

Agreed on all counts. Are you going to stay around? Trolls don't have to troll all the time.

gold slorg
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Agreed on all counts. Are you going to stay around? Trolls don't have to troll all the time.

Yeah, even more so, it's actually more trollish when you post some serious stuff once in a while thumb up Being random in whether you're serious or not provides the largest amount of chaos, and trolling is chaos smile

Putinbot1
Originally posted by gold slorg
Yeah, even more so, it's actually more trollish when you post some serious stuff once in a while thumb up Being random in whether you're serious or not provides the largest amount of chaos, and trolling is chaos smile This forum once had great trolls like Judge on it. He's videos sexuslising the lion king were brilliant.

Adam_PoE
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cdtm
Originally posted by Putinbot1
This forum once had great trolls like Judge on it. He's videos sexuslising the lion king were brilliant.

Well, the animators made it pretty easy. evil face

BrolyBlack

Bashar Teg
You're kinda right, but I still think it's funny af. Incels and fascists deserve their abuse.

Robtard

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
but they all seem linked to anti women rightist stuff. It's a link the papers make.

This goes back to how you define the word. If "incel" just means "guy who wants to get laid but can't" then you really do see that on both sides. I will acknowledge the people thinking the government should step in or whatever are on the right lol.

Emperordmb
**** you Robtard, stop using that damn mother ****ing apostrophe **** ****ity **** **** ****. Stop it. That apostrophe is evil.

Anyways


Perhaps I should've been more clear. I'm arguing for the latter rather than the former.

I just don't think the latter is what Putinbot is doing. His approach seems more like "Haha **** you" than "get your shit together for ****'s sake"

Putinbot1
@cdtm he actually drew them himself in paint and frame animated. He did a ****ing voiceover, it was simply the funniest troll ever.

@ Belly, yes I see you point. I felt I was giving them hard love. It's not all about them being fully, I'm sure most aren't it's the attitude.

@Bash, love you dude in a bro way.

@Rob, same, love you bro.

@DMB, yes to a point I find them funny as ****. I don't think you will end up one, you show signs of being a man sometimes and I think so personal grooming and life experience you will be able to talk to girls well. I think when you reach that point your good heart will have purged you demi far right ideas. I still have hope for you DMB and I say that sincerely.

Putinbot1
Broly not Belly lol.

Jessica Tandy
Incels are inexplicably narcissistic ugly men with a severely flawed personality and blame everyone else for an unfortunate roll of the genetic dice. Maybe they should hate their parents instead of women.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Jessica Tandy
Incels are inexplicably narcissistic ugly men with a severely flawed personality and blame everyone else for an unfortunate roll of the genetic dice. Maybe they should hate their parents instead of women. Maybe they should man up and stop being Incels.

Jessica Tandy

Putinbot1
Jessica, you know as well as I do if a girl likes a guy looks are a big second, that's what these Incels don't get, they think they don't get laid because they are fugly or have small dicks, when it's, No! they are boring and nasty.

Silent Master
Depends on what makes a person ugly, if it's physical. then proper hygiene, eating habits and exercise would probably help a good deal.

If it's personality, then getting professional help could theoretically solve most if not all of the problem.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Silent Master
Depends on what makes a person ugly, if it's physical. then proper hygiene, eating habits and exercise would probably help a good deal.

If it's personality, then getting professional help could theoretically solve most if not all of the problem. I actually completely agree.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Jessica, you know as well as I do if a girl likes a guy looks are a big second, that's what these Incels don't get, they think they don't get laid because they are fugly or have small dicks, when it's, No! they are boring and nasty.

They also don't get that they more than likely need to lower their own standards lol.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Surtur
They also don't get that they more than likely need to lower their own standards lol. Also true, but women to be honest care about looks a lot less than guys do. Women want honesty and stability. Some are ***** as are some guys, most aren't.

BackFire
Originally posted by Surtur
They also don't get that they more than likely need to lower their own standards lol.

No. They deserve only the best anime cosplayer.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BackFire
No. They deserve only the best anime cosplayer.

Haha

Surtur
Originally posted by BackFire
No. They deserve only the best anime cosplayer.

https://i.imgur.com/fF9nerE.jpg

Robtard
Originally posted by Emperordmb
**** you Robtard, stop using that damn mother ****ing apostrophe **** ****ity **** **** ****. Stop it. That apostrophe is evil.

Anyways


Perhaps I should've been more clear. I'm arguing for the latter rather than the former.

I just don't think the latter is what Putinbot is doing. His approach seems more like "Haha **** you" than "get your shit together for ****'s sake"

Fite me n RL, fgit

Well, tbf, even that "get your shit together" approach is better than coddling people like this. The delivery may be wrong though, but I also have about zero pity for the Incel culture, they're vile and bask in it.

Tzeentch
From the get-go, the context of this discussion is dumb. In America, something like 3-in-8 people between the ages of 19 and 26 are virgins. That's a demographic consisting of millions of people- saying "I don't like incels" is logically equivalent to saying that you don't like black people, or you don't like feminists etc. You're painting broad strokes over a massive population of individuals whose behavior is not consistent.

The vast majority of incels live fairly pedestrian lives and have fairly pedestrian behavior,while struggling with mental illnesses, self-image issues etc. The individuals who bitterly complain about how the world has wronged them, champion people like Elliot Rodgers, etc are a vocal minority who come together on the internet and wallow in echo chambers while their views become more and more extreme. Like pretty much all internet communities, they are a poor representative of the majority.

So with that out of the way, hating incels doesn't make sense to me. Hating incels who are bitter and spiteful people that refuse to hold themselves accountable for their predicament makes sense, but it's also a redundant statement, as you're basically just saying that you hate shitty people. You don't have to be an incel to be a shitty person- hell you don't even have to be an incel to hate women. As far as anecdotes go, the people in my life who've shown the most openly spiteful and hateful sentiments toward women, have been women themselves and men who have basically been drowning in pussy for most of their adult lives.

Personally, I have disdain for people who choose to hate the world rather then accept that they have problems and that with some work and self-sacrifice they can fix those problems. But in regards to incels as a whole, I feel sorry for them more then anything.

Robtard
People have gone to pains to paint the difference between the garden variety virgin who typically isn't a vile/hateful person and the Incel here.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Broly not Belly lol.

laughing out loud

Bashar Teg
too bad there isn't a pill to turn them gay. that would solve the whole problem.

nah they'd just objectify/demonize men and avoid dating each other because "ewww ugly"

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by Emperordmb
So even though I'm not an incel, incel supporter or closet incel, I'm about to give you some honest feedback that isn't intended as a personal attack.

1. It seems like you use that as something of a reductive explanation for some of the people who hold different opinions than you or oppose modern feminism and the modern social justice movement in order to undermine these positions without addressing them. When you throw the term around it seems more like an unfounded ad hominem than a discussion about the actual phenomenon, and I don't think most of the people criticizing modern progressivism are doing so because they think the SJWs are keeping them from getting laid. Most of the criticism of modern progressivism I've seen relates to either an individualist point of principle, or a free speech/thought point of principle. For me personally that is the case.

And just to be fair and honest, I'll admit to being a virgin, though I wouldn't consider myself a sexually frustrated incel. My own interests lie more in the direction of an emotionally intimate relationship than casual sex. I'm a religious guy whose very passionate about my values and so a woman I would actually want to build that kind of relationship with would be someone with similar enough values and with an actual interest in discussing things of that nature, I love discussing that shit. On top of that I'm also a stoner, so they'd have to not be immediately turned off by that, I can be rather eccentric in real life which some might find offputting, and I'd need to have reasonably decent chemistry with her as well. As such there are plenty of women I find attractive, but only a few I'd actually be interested in pursuing a relationship with. I've set a certain standard on who I'm willing to share myself with, and I'm willing to accept the consequences of that. I'm fine waiting for the right person and until then my left hand will do.

I should note though that I've personally never felt offended by the term incel as if it speaks to something about me, as I don't really consider myself a sexually frustrated person. I just mentioned all that for the sake of honest transparency and to show I'm serious about providing honest feedback and not just attacking you.

2. There's just something about your fixation with incels that seems like you're punching down in a manner of speaking, like you're weirdly focused on attacking a group of people that have hit a certain rock bottom in a manner of speaking, even if it's their own fault, which can come off as kinda delighting in other people's problems in life. It's also just not really a response that serves as anything of a solution to the problem. If their issues are rooted in sexual frustration and a lack of social skills, than further ostracizing them just seems like it would be something that would exacerbate the problem.

As for why they make your skin crawl well that's an easy one. Whiny entitlement and bitterness aren't exactly admirable traits for a person to possess, much less for a community or ideology to be centered around. It comes across as pathetic, and as reflective of a certain weakness in moral character, which could understandably evoke feelings of disgust in people, especially if these are traits exhibited by grown men. It's not that there isn't legitimate criticism of them, believe me there is, it just seems like you have a disproportionately odd level of contempt for them and fixation with them.

As for straight men voluntarily choosing to not have sex with women for reasons other than religious, that's MGTOW and that's kinda it's own thing.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
From the get-go, the context of this discussion is dumb. In America, something like 3-in-8 people between the ages of 19 and 26 are virgins. That's a demographic consisting of millions of people- saying "I don't like incels" is logically equivalent to saying that you don't like black people, or you don't like feminists etc. You're painting broad strokes over a massive population of individuals whose behavior is not consistent.

The vast majority of incels live fairly pedestrian lives and have fairly pedestrian behavior,while struggling with mental illnesses, self-image issues etc. The individuals who bitterly complain about how the world has wronged them, champion people like Elliot Rodgers, etc are a vocal minority who come together on the internet and wallow in echo chambers while their views become more and more extreme. Like pretty much all internet communities, they are a poor representative of the majority.

So with that out of the way, hating incels doesn't make sense to me. Hating incels who are bitter and spiteful people that refuse to hold themselves accountable for their predicament makes sense, but it's also a redundant statement, as you're basically just saying that you hate shitty people. You don't have to be an incel to be a shitty person- hell you don't even have to be an incel to hate women. As far as anecdotes go, the people in my life who've shown the most openly spiteful and hateful sentiments toward women, have been women themselves and men who have basically been drowning in pussy for most of their adult lives.

Personally, I have disdain for people who choose to hate the world rather then accept that they have problems and that with some work and self-sacrifice they can fix those problems. But in regards to incels as a whole, I feel sorry for them more then anything.

Both of these posts are royal flushes. I mean that. If Putin whoever else takes these posts serious it really can shut down a lot of this insanity

Tzeentch
Originally posted by Robtard
People have gone to pains to paint the difference between the garden variety virgin who typically isn't a vile/hateful person and the Incel here. Aye, I addressed that.

The Ellimist
I wonder if a few decades from now "incel" will be seen as a horrible, prejudiced insult and the people who use them regularly now will have to backtrack and apologize for having used them should they ever want to run for office.

Robtard
Doubt it, no more than they'll have to apologize for using "Alt-Right", as both groups self-identify with what is generally not accepted, hatred.

Jessica Tandy
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Jessica, you know as well as I do if a girl likes a guy looks are a big second, that's what these Incels don't get, they think they don't get laid because they are fugly or have small dicks, when it's, No! they are boring and nasty.

Different descriptors same outcome.

cdtm
Prejudice against Incels is pretty natural.

I mean, they don't generally deal with the bs in high pressure jobs, or a nagging wife and lousy kid, or the expenses of a home. They've pretty much got it made.

Who wouldn't be resentful of such privilege?

Eon Blue

Bashar Teg
Incel terrorists have identified themselves as incel.
SJW is a label placed on whomever a trash internet editor/blogger wishes.

example:



https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/us/incel-rebellion-alek-minassian-toronto-attack-trnd/index.html

dadudemon
SJWs have identified themselves as liberals, Democrats, progressives, communists, antifa, and the like.
Incel is a label placed on whomever a trash internet denizen/crawler wishes.

Example:

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2018/06/16/the-latest-insult-youre-an-incel/

Jessica Tandy

dadudemon

Windy City boom
I am an Incel! I hate women under 35 particularly. I have never been out with a girl since I caught one kissing another man. No women are worth anything, they blame men for rapes, men don't rape, women lead men on. Everything in the world is the fault of women, who should never have been given the vote. Women and Leftists. I would love to have sex with a woman, I imagine what women are like to touch and I try and smell them whenever I am close to one. But I still hate them and Leftists and social justice warriors and chefs and any ketchup but Heinz. I am the supreme gentleman.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Windy City boom
I am an Incel! I hate women under 35 particularly. I have never been out with a girl since I caught one kissing another man. No women are worth anything, they blame men for rapes, men don't rape, women lead men on. Everything in the world is the fault of women, who should never have been given the vote. Women and Leftists. I would love to have sex with a woman, I imagine what women are like to touch and I try and smell them whenever I am close to one. But I still hate them and Leftists and social justice warriors and chefs and any ketchup but Heinz. I am the supreme gentleman. I guess you know nothing of God... or the Devil. You have never seen a vision, nor learned a secret, that would damn or save your soul. And as far as you know, after 35 years you are the oldest living Incel in the world. THE WORLD WILL CHANGE INCEL AND YOU WON'T AND THAT IS WHAT WILL KILL YOU.

snowdragon
Originally posted by Windy City boom
I am an Incel! I hate women under 35 particularly. I have never been out with a girl since I caught one kissing another man. No women are worth anything, they blame men for rapes, men don't rape, women lead men on. Everything in the world is the fault of women, who should never have been given the vote. Women and Leftists. I would love to have sex with a woman, I imagine what women are like to touch and I try and smell them whenever I am close to one. But I still hate them and Leftists and social justice warriors and chefs and any ketchup but Heinz. I am the supreme gentleman.

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