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As the title says, people are complaining about the Switch not being powerful enough, when DOOM is still one of the best-looking games ever and can play on the system, what point is there to making consoles more and more possible.

The most we can really do is make systems more HD friendly, better 4k gaming on consoles, but as far as graphics, we won't do much better for many years.

why are you do obsessed with shilling the switch

Um, graphics will continue to get better looking. Sure, the difference will be relatively minor from here on out (diminishing returns and all that), but graphics will continue to improve. Things like HDR and increased frame rate can and will make a noticeable difference.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
why are you do obsessed with shilling the switch Because its the best Nintendo Console ever made with the most amount of third-party support since the ****in 80's.

I just brought up Nintendo because I felt I needed to point it out.

Originally posted by ares834
Um, graphics will continue to get better looking. Sure, the difference will be relatively minor from here on out (diminishing returns and all that), but graphics will continue to improve. Things like HDR and increased frame rate can and will make a noticeable difference.

Will they? I haven't noticed any real games from last year that were better then Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 from years and years prior.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
As the title says, people are complaining about the Switch not being powerful enough, when DOOM is still one of the best-looking games ever and can play on the system, what point is there to making consoles more and more possible.

The most we can really do is make systems more HD friendly, better 4k gaming on consoles, but as far as graphics, we won't do much better for many years.

I like Graphics but to me art style is better than just hyper 8K ultra realistic graphics.
If graphics were really that important to some people, they would not game on consoles.
Also Game-play>Graphics.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Will they? I haven't noticed any real games from last year that were better then Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 from years and years prior.

That's because you do not have developers pushing the boundaries on what they can accomplish.

Crysis was way ahead of its time when it was released. It was ****ing gorgeous but it played like shit frame rate wise (it was doing around 20 FPS with SLI).

Now....devs make games for every game and console. And the industry is better for that.

But textures, lighting and special effects are what makes games ****ing gorgeous and incredible immersive.

Play RDR2 on the Xbox One X and then compare it previous Rockstar games...its not even close.

Originally posted by Smasandian
That's because you do not have developers pushing the boundaries on what they can accomplish.

Crysis was way ahead of its time when it was released. It was ****ing gorgeous but it played like shit frame rate wise (it was doing around 20 FPS with SLI).

Now....devs make games for every game and console. And the industry is better for that.

But textures, lighting and special effects are what makes games ****ing gorgeous and incredible immersive.

Play RDR2 on the Xbox One X and then compare it previous Rockstar games...its not even close.

Absolutely. Just compare Borderlands 2 to Fallout 4.

Borderlands is SO.MUCH.BETTER.


Like you say, lighting, textures, and effects.

Originally posted by Smasandian
That's because you do not have developers pushing the boundaries on what they can accomplish.

Crysis was way ahead of its time when it was released. It was ****ing gorgeous but it played like shit frame rate wise (it was doing around 20 FPS with SLI).

Now....devs make games for every game and console. And the industry is better for that.

But textures, lighting and special effects are what makes games ****ing gorgeous and incredibly immersive.

Play RDR2 on the Xbox One X and then compare it previous Rockstar games...its not even close. I'm not talking specific games, I'm talking gaming as a whole.

I remember reading a few years back that this dev team was going to do a massive undertaking, not only were they going to make a huge triple A game, but they were going to make the game so damn good-looking that you literally would not be able to play it on consoles, there'd be no way to make the game work on Sony or Xbox consoles whatsoever. I think it fell through though.

Think about how good graphics are now, how much better can they really get? If devs went out of their way to create the most powerful engine possible, and created a hugely graphically-intensive game, in this day and age, I think it'd be almost impossible to make it "unplayable" on something like an Xbox One X, which is the first real 4K Gaming System, but if we're talking being able to be playable? Hell almost anything can fit on even something like the Switch (though no lower, lol).

Originally posted by Inhuman
I like Graphics but to me art style is better than just hyper 8K ultra realistic graphics.
If graphics were really that important to some people, they would not game on consoles.
Also Game-play>Graphics. I'm pretty sure everyone on earth agrees with that, but how does that have anything to do with this conversation?... This is a conversation about graphics.

Breath of the Wild gets by on artstyle. The assets themselves are noticeably inferior to what a PS4 or Xbox One can put out.

Originally posted by cdtm
Breath of the Wild gets by on artstyle. The assets themselves are noticeably inferior to what a PS4 or Xbox One can put out. But DOOM, Wolfenstein 2 run great on it?

The only thing thats really downgraded in those games from a non-tech nerd point of view appears to be the High Def.

It also doesn't stop the game from looking absolutely BEAUTIFUL almost all of the time. I haven't found one ugly thing in the whole game from a graphical standpoint.

Doom is an older game at this point. And it was designed to run on weak hardware. The graphics are probably paired back, too.

Originally posted by cdtm
Doom is an older game at this point. And it was designed to run on weak hardware. The graphics are probably paired back, too. Uh, DOOM was one of the most graphically intensive games of 2016.

Yeah, Talking about the Doom reboot not the 90's one.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah, Talking about the Doom reboot not the 90's one. I remember reading somewhere that this gaming journalism website tested the most graphically intensive games of the year and DOOM Reboot came out at number 2.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah, Talking about the Doom reboot not the 90's one.

So was I.

It's true. Doom was designed to run on something as low end as a laptop running onboard video.

Define low end, Because i can't run it on this PC that i'm using.

Originally posted by cdtm
So was I.

It's true. Doom was designed to run on something as low end as a laptop running onboard video. I have trouble running it on my GTX 1050 TI.

There's a difference between running on something, and running WELL on something.

The laptop I played it on:

Dell, 15, 4gram, intel 620 hd.


Obviously, I had to play on lowest settings. And, I used a custom res a bump above 1024x768, but still widescreen (Forget the res offhand.)

Manages around 40-30 most times.

I also tried the Vulkan drivers, didn't notice any difference. They're supposed to be hyper optimized for low spec systems.

Originally posted by cdtm
The laptop I played it on:

Dell, 15, 4gram, intel 620 hd.


Obviously, I had to play on lowest settings. And, I used a custom res a bump above 1024x768, but still widescreen (Forget the res offhand.)

Manages around 40-30 most times.

I also tried the Vulkan drivers, didn't notice any difference. They're supposed to be hyper optimized for low spec systems.

Thats what you consider being able to be played on a low-end system? Having to down your settings to the lowest and barely managing to hit 40? Thats not really what I consider to be able to be played on a low-end system.

If you were able to play on medium and were consistently in the late 40's-50's I could accept that maybe.

But you're not, you're playing on the lowest settings possible and are barely playing the game in HD, lol.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm pretty sure everyone on earth agrees with that, but how does that have anything to do with this conversation?... This is a conversation about graphics.


Because I was making a point that art style is sometimes more important than super realistic graphics.

Originally posted by cdtm
Breath of the Wild gets by on artstyle. The assets themselves are noticeably inferior to what a PS4 or Xbox One can put out.

Breath of the Wild is a good example to this. Cdtm summarizes this pretty well.

I mean it already has gotten to a point on PC where just having the best graphics is not enough anymore. Like the Battlefield games. It used to be one of the best looking games around, with everything looking true to life. Graphics, lighting, particle effects, etc. Put Call of Duty games to shame.
Now they cant get away with just showcasing how good their games look because now the graphical differences from the new Battlefield vs the old version are very very minor. They now have to focus more on new content and the game running smooth. Graphics have taken a back seat because although the games still look amazing, they are not far off from their last game or from the competition.

So i think it has basically already gotten to the point that graphics are pretty much as good as they can get, and I think developers are learning new ways to catch your eye like unique artsyles and unique gameplay.

Even in the last to current gen console transition, in some cases the graphics couldn't be facelifted much, like Strider, so their hook was from 30 fps to 60 fps.

People have been saying this for 30 years.

I agree.

The old line of "no way graphics can be any better" is silly. They have been saying that for a very long time.

And it's silly to believe unique art styles and gameplay were not prevalent 10-15 years.

Strange point....realistic graphics is a type of art style! And I could make the argument that gameplay advancements are not as unique as previous generations!

Gameplay advancements are huge. Especially 3D platforming, like Sonic Adventure or MARIO 64 to modern stuff Assassins Creed series. Fighters continue to innovate console friendly "auto-combo" strings, FPS's have become much more playable then they ever were. And that's not looking at stuff Platinum Games and such did for the action genre, like Transformers Devastion, the slick arcady gameplay of Saints Row 4 (Last gen, but late into it and on modern systems) or the more recent Sunset Overdrive innovations.

Sorry? I'm confused.

How does your examples of previous generation games relate to the this "And I could make the argument that gameplay advancements are not as unique as previous generations!"

I disagree with your argument against gameplay advancements.

I don't really understand your examples because all those games aside from Sunset Overdrive were released on previous consoles. And how does that relate to saying this generation is probably less unique than previous generations.....

And...what innovations Sunset Overdrive have?

Originally posted by Smasandian
I don't really understand your examples because all those games aside from Sunset Overdrive were released on previous consoles. And how does that relate to saying this generation is probably less unique than previous generations.....

And...what innovations Sunset Overdrive have? It's not revolutionary, but it definitely combines parkour systems with Jet Set Radio and skateboarding games to create a very fun over-the-top traversal system, while taking the crazy weapons from something like Saints Row IV, and putting them into a unique mutant story and adding a little punk-rock edge, putting in the melee combat system of State of Decay, you have Sunset Overdrive.

The traversal system is probably one of the funnest, sometimes you'll avoid fast-travelling solely to go across the city without doing so, in fact, thats what you'll be doing majority of the time.

It's a very unique, fun system.

I know I bring up Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen a lot but I'd have to agree previous gens have very unique ideas like that game. It made boss fights revolutionary in an Action-RPG and expanded on the Shadow of the Colossus we loved so much in that specific game.

Graphics will continue to improve, but as others have said, we're at the point of diminishing returns now. For instance, the PS4 and Xbox One (base hardware) were maxed out pretty quickly in terms of what developers were able to crank out of them. But when the PS5/whatever the next xbox is comes out, the graphics will look better. But it won't be as stark as previous jumps. It will mostly come via an improvement in native resolution and probably texture quality. Possibly lighting and shading too, if the next-gen consoles can make use of something like ray tracing, but that may not be the case.

Originally posted by BackFire
Graphics will continue to improve, but as others have said, we're at the point of diminishing returns now. For instance, the PS4 and Xbox One (base hardware) were maxed out pretty quickly in terms of what developers were able to crank out of them. But when the PS5/whatever the next xbox is comes out, the graphics will look better. But it won't be as stark as previous jumps. It will mostly come via an improvement in native resolution and probably texture quality. Possibly lighting and shading too, if the next-gen consoles can make use of something like ray tracing, but that may not be the case. If there's a PS5 Pro I have no doubt it will be at least as powerful as a 1080, if not a 1080-TI.

A base PS5 will probably be about on par with that. It's supposed to utilize the upcoming AMD Navi chips which are rumored to be slightly more powerful than a 1080.

I think this is a combination of diminishing returns and console manufacturers not willing to take a huge loss on a console sale.

Both the 360 and PS3 were money sinks when they were initially released.

I just think it's funny that an arcade cabinet version of a shmup is being touted as having hardware more powerful then current gen consoles.

This is a classic 2d sprite shmup that can run on a potatoe.