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We put Achilles on a battlefield against 100 armed men, he is Bloodlusted.

We'll handicap the men and give Achilles tons of Spears, his sword and shield, if you want an exact number of spears, let's say 120 for the sake of being able to pick them off from far away.

The men have swords only, and are average grunts from his universe.

Starting distance of 200 feet, fleeing means he loses the bout, battle takes place in the same place he fought Boagrius.

Never watched TROY.

Eh. It kind of Sucked...and His fighting style in that movie was really Retarded. As in He fought like a tard.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Eh. It kind of Sucked...and His fighting style in that movie was really Retarded. As in He fought like a tard. It did not suck, it just went on for way too long.

The fight scenes were fantastic.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It did not suck, it just went on for way too long.

https://i.imgflip.com/2qpsje.jpg

But srsly, i was never really interested in this movie.
These comments havent really changed my mind.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Eh. It kind of Sucked...and His fighting style in that movie was really Retarded. As in He fought like a tard.

Troy had one of the best sword duels in movies and Achilles' fighting style was awesome.

so.. re these normal men? superheros with powers?

Originally posted by FrothByte
As far as non-fencing sword fighters go, it's actually pretty hard to find a non-martial artist actor who handled a sword better than Pitt as Achilles.

Look at guys like Arnold's Conan, Crowe's Maximus, Mortensen's Aragron, Thurman's Bride, Whitfield's Spartacus or Butler's Leonidas. Their footwork is usually awful, their blade handling awkward, their body mechanics incorrect, and their sword swings (and general movements) are either too stiff, too flimsy or too wild.

I'm not a big fan of Brad Pitt, but he deserves credit for his fight scenes. He brings a good deal of athleticism and physical dominance in his fight scenes that is usually unequaled by other non-martial artist actors.

Since this is based off things in history then no, he gets swarmed and dies. They wont be coming at him 1,2,or 3 at a time. They will bumrush him and he will die

This was Achillies Fav Attack Move in the Movie...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/8e/64/dc8e64542fb3fed669f7688760d6c4d7.jpg

....which He pulled on a Guy in a Fighting Stance who had a Shield and a Spear.

Man is a MORON!!!!!!!

If the men fight like idiot fodder retards, and rush in 2s and 3s tops, he could clear pretty easily TBH. But if they actually operate with proper training, precision and unity, he kills a bunch of them before going down.

There is actually a great example of this kind of thing towards the end of Spartacus, with Gannicus. The guy was easily one of the best fighters in the show, and could fodderise large groups of opponents when he could fight in his preferred manner. However, when he actually got surrounded by a coordinated group of enemy soldiers who actually used their numbers competently, he eventually got overwhelmed, because he simply didn't have the room (or the amount of arms needed) to deal with that many opponents, coming at him from all sides.

And I am not saying Gannicus == Achilles, but the principal stays the same. If you have 10 guys thrusting weapons at you at once and no room to move, there is only so much you can do before you inevitably start getting tagged. And once you start taking hits, especially stab wounds, things go downhill rapidly.

Why are we applying pis to their behavior? Yeah, if they fight like ****tards he could kill billions.

He kills ten at the most if they show any level of competence. The could literally just surround him and run at him with their swords out and their wouldnt be shit he could do about.

The men are handicapped, they lose.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Why are we applying pis to their behavior? Yeah, if they fight like ****tards he could kill billions.

He kills ten at the most if they show any level of competence. The could literally just surround him and run at him with their swords out and their wouldnt be shit he could do about.

The supporters of this are just showing..."Support" for a movie where Brad Pitt wears a skirt.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
This was Achillies Fav Attack Move in the Movie...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/dc/8e/64/dc8e64542fb3fed669f7688760d6c4d7.jpg

....which He pulled on a Guy in a Fighting Stance who had a Shield and a Spear.

Man is a MORON!!!!!!!

And said guy with shield and spear got knocked back by that move. Seems it was pretty effective no?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And said guy with shield and spear got knocked back by that move. Seems it was pretty effective no?

Only when You use PIS/CIS. In Reality. If You pull that move on a Seasoned and Experienced Warrior.

Can you say AchillielsKaBob?!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Only when You use PIS/CIS. In Reality. If You pull that move on a Seasoned and Experienced Warrior.

Can you say AchillielsKaBob?!

And what are your credentials that makes you such an expert on what will happen in a real sword/spear fight?

IIRC, Achilles was armed with a spear too when he used that move on the spear wielder (Hector). Unless you're talking about a different scene?

But even if he was using a sword, a move like that will put you at an awkward angle to hit for the spear wielder. The line of attack provided by that jumping strike is not a line of attack commonly used. Plus if using a sword, you'll be at a much closer distance than comfortable for a spear.

Wow. You have No Idea how real world physic and tactics work at all. Do you!? A Shield can be used as a Weapon too you know. And If you Jump in the Air like that. You have No support or Footing to back up your attack. Achilles in this movie is an IDIOT! A Lucky Idiot!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Wow. You have No Idea how real world physic and tactics work at all. Do you!? A Shield can be used as a Weapon too you know. And If you Jump in the Air like that. You have No support or Footing to back up your attack. Achilles in this movie is an IDIOT! A Lucky Idiot!

Actually I train in HEMA and have sparred and trained with sword, shield and spear. I'm pretty sure I know more about this than you do.

A jumping attack like that would, in one move, provide both lateral movement and increased leverage/height. It would be an attack coming from an angle that would be completely unexpected. Then add your full weight to the power behind your attack and I can see it being a pretty effective move PROVIDED YOU'RE FAST AND AGILE ENOUGH TO PULL IT OFF.

From what we see in the movie, it seems clear that Achilles is supposed to be that fast and agile.

Furthermore, the attack is targetted at the defender's shield side. If you've ever tried fighting with a large shield, you'd know how difficult it is to attack someone on that side. You'd need to move your shield out of the way to get the proper angle for a good hit... not a smart move if you want to defend yourself for an oncoming hit. So you have the choice of either raising your shield to block the incoming blow or getting your shield out of the way so you can deliver your own counterstrike and risk leaving yourself open.

As for using the shield itself as a weapon, well, the shield provides a short range whereas Achilles is launching this attack with sword or spear. He'd be out of striking distance of your shield.

So you are just IGNORANT then? Or do you only "Train" in Hollywood Hema Tactics?

Cause that is what it sounds like.

Jumping Up like that is ALWAYS a Stupid Move.

Period.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
So you are just IGNORANT then? Or do you only "Train" in Hollywood Hema Tactics?

Cause that is what it sounds like.

Jumping Up like that is ALWAYS a Stupid Move.

Period.

So you decline to rebutt any of my logical points and instead come back with ad hominem attacks? Seems like you already admitted you have no idea of what you're saying. I don't think you even know what HEMA is, since HEMA is not usually found in Hollywood movies.

And jumping attacks are also used in modern day fencing, particularly in men's saber. They're not advised to be used often, but used once in a while they're pretty effective as they catch the opponent off guard. So forgive me if I put more faith in the actions of olympic fencers over that of your opinion.

Bull shit. The WAY that Achilles Attacked Hector was TOTAL CRAP!!!!!!! It was a Pure Hollywood Move. And Hector in that movie was Not a Little Guy. He should have No Prob using THAT Shield to Defend Himself against Achy an That Sword! And FENCING is NOT Real FIGHTING!!!!!!

Big Diff between non lethal Practice and Someone TRYING TO KILL YOU!

Hema should Point THAT out to You.

The Fighting in this Movie was PURE HOLLYWOOD BULLSHIT!

That and the movie was pretty boring as well.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Bull shit. The WAY that Achilles Attacked Hector was TOTAL CRAP!!!!!!! It was a Pure Hollywood Move. And Hector in that movie was Not a Little Guy. He should have No Prob using THAT Shield to Defend Himself against Achy an That Sword! And FENCING is NOT Real FIGHTING!!!!!!

Big Diff between non lethal Practice and Someone TRYING TO KILL YOU!

Hema should Point THAT out to You.

The Fighting in this Movie was PURE HOLLYWOOD BULLSHIT!

That and the movie was pretty boring as well.

Uhuh. Sure. How bout you actually address the points I raised instead of resorting to repetitious insults. I pointed out that striking someone on your shield side is not easy, the range of your shield attack is much shorter than the range of sword and shield, how the jumping attack grants lateral and leverage advantages, and how it allows the attacker to put their entire weight behind the blow.

You failed to counter any of that and resorted to insults instead. Classical tactic for someone who doesn't know anything about the topic.

Hector was roughly the same size as Achilles. Not sure what that has got to do with it. Footwork, stance, leverage and body mechanics are more important here. Hector could have weighed 400 lbs, he still would have been pushed back if he was attacked from an unexpected angle.

And I'm pretty sure Olympic fencers have way more knowledge about swordplay than a random keyboard warrior like yourself. Judging from what you've said so far, it's clear you know jack about this shit.

Yeah. I bet the CLOSEST You ever got to Hema is watching youtube vids.

All of your Points of LEVERAGE and LATERAL Advantages are pure CRAP when You Jump Around Like a TARD! Like Achilles in the Movie does.

All of YOUR POINTS are Clouded by Your obvious Delusions about Fighting Reality.

You watch to many movies.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Yeah. I bet the CLOSEST You ever got to Hema is watching youtube vids.

All of your Points of LEVERAGE and LATERAL Advantages are pure CRAP when You Jump Around Like a TARD! Like Achilles in the Movie does.

All of YOUR POINTS are Clouded by Your obvious Delusions about Fighting Reality.

You watch to many movies.

Except that I actually listed down numerous points and examples to back up my logic. I explained the mechanics behind swordplay and the action being done here.

What example did you use to backup your argument? What logic or mechanics did you explain to back up your stance? I doubt you even know how leverage and lateral movement helps in a sword fight.

And You act like JUMPING in the AIR is ike the Crane Move of all Fighting Techniques. You act like having a Shield is more of a Hindrance in a Sword Fight then NOT!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
And You act like JUMPING in the AIR is ike the Crane Move of all Fighting Techniques. You act like having a Shield is more of a Hindrance in a Sword Fight then NOT!

Nope, I never claimed those things. A jumping attack is indeed a high risk move. What I'm arguing against is your claim that it's a stupid/tard move.

A high risk move is not stupid, it's simply something that has high gains if it succeeds and high consequences if it fails. But it is not a "tard move" as you claim. We see jumping attacks used in fencing, kendo, naginata, hema and escrima. They're not often used but they ARE used in weapons combat.

As for the shield, it has its pros and cons. It provides greater coverage/defense at the expense of restricting your movement. The greater the coverage provided, the more it will restrict your movement and lines of attack. That's just how it is.

Yes. This Movie is Highly Inaccurate in its depiction of Realistic Fighting... That I will agree on.

And it was really Really Boring!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Yes. This Movie is Highly Inaccurate in its depiction of Realistic Fighting... That I will agree on.

And it was really Really Boring!

I see you continue to evade my arguments. Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong?

Movie fights are very seldom realistic, this is no exception. That said, this fight is more realistic than a lot of other movie sword fights out there.

The only Favor You have in this Argument is that I only watched this Movie ONCE and that was years ago. But Achilles Stupid Fighting Tactics burned its way in to my memory.

The Fights were Crap.


Originally posted by FrothByte
I see you continue to evade my arguments. Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong?

Movie fights are very seldom realistic, this is no exception. That said, this fight is more realistic than a lot of other movie sword fights out there.


Would you prefer it if I posted a bunch of links to articles and vids point this out?

Nice Try Skippy.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
The only Favor You have in this Argument is that I only watched this Movie ONCE and that was years ago. But Achilles Stupid Fighting Tactics burned its way in to my memory.

The Fights were Crap.





Would you prefer it if I posted a bunch of links to articles and vids point this out?

Nice Try Skippy.

Yes, actually I would. Something logical to actually back up your arguments. It won't necessarily mean you're correct but at least you'd have something else other than your opinion.

Ugh... You would try to assign Homework.... That is MY ACHILLES HEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fly being Fly again. It's cool Froth, as someone who has also studied a few martial art and weapon styles, you're pretty much right on the money.

It should also be taken into account that Achilles could get away with his extremely high risk fighting style because he is so physically superior to most opponents he can get away the moves because he's actually capable of pulling them off successfully.

Originally posted by KingD19
Fly being Fly again. It's cool Froth, as someone who has also studied a few martial art and weapon styles, you're pretty much right on the money.

It should also be taken into account that Achilles could get away with his extremely high risk fighting style because he is so physically superior to most opponents he can get away the moves because he's actually capable of pulling them off successfully.

Thanks. There are a lot of moves in movie fights that are unrealistic but only because real people lack the necessary skill and physical stats to pull it off.

Achilles's jumping attack is a good example. I could see the advantages it would grant but I doubt real people would have the necessary speed, agility and leg strength necessary to pull it off as seamlessly as he did. Especially not in armor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thanks. There are a lot of moves in movie fights that are unrealistic but only because real people lack the necessary skill and physical stats to pull it off.

Achilles's jumping attack is a good example. I could see the advantages it would grant but I doubt real people would have the necessary speed, agility and leg strength necessary to pull it off as seamlessly as he did. Especially not in armor.

Exactly, but it works for Achilles because he can go from a shoring boat to the enemies frontlines about 10-15 seconds faster than the rest of his own army(still in the armor), toss a spear like a mile, and his other above normal feats.

In the Mythology, isn't Achilles a Demigod aka one of Zeus's Bastard love rape children?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thanks. There are a lot of moves in movie fights that are unrealistic but only because real people lack the necessary skill and physical stats to pull it off.

Achilles's jumping attack is a good example. I could see the advantages it would grant but I doubt real people would have the necessary speed, agility and leg strength necessary to pull it off as seamlessly as he did. Especially not in armor.

Oh and I do find it funny when the Imaginary Pajama Fighters try to team up cause They know how to Imaginary Fight.

lol he took down 100 guys on the beach of Troy with breaking a sweat...

Originally posted by relentless1
lol he took down 100 guys on the beach of Troy with breaking a sweat... er... did he?... By himself?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
er... did he?... By himself?

He killed at least 20-30 by himself that we saw onscreen and he did it with absolute ease, so much so that he had a moment to stop and bask in the cheers from the Greeks still on their ships as he slaughtered his way up the steps of the Temple of Apollo

Originally posted by relentless1
He killed at least 20-30 by himself that we saw onscreen and he did it with absolute ease, so much so that he had a moment to stop and bask in the cheers from the Greeks still on their ships as he slaughtered his way up the steps of the Temple of Apollo Didn't he have people distracting his opponents though? I doubt he would've performed as well if he was there by himself for the whole battle.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Didn't he have people distracting his opponents though? I doubt he would've performed as well if he was there by himself for the whole battle.

Not at that part. He hopped off his ship before it landed on the beach and sprinted up to the temple killing everyone along the way.

Originally posted by KingD19
Not at that part. He hopped off his ship before it landed on the beach and sprinted up to the temple killing everyone along the way. Word, holy shit.