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Battle in the Valley of the Dark Lords. :3

Dooku wins, and it's either a stomp or a good fight depending on how high you scale Ajunta Pall.

Nothing about Muur vs Vader indicated he was superior.

Not to mention this doesn't prove Muur>Dooku either since Dooku is better than ROTS Kenobu who's better than ANH Kenobi who equalled Vader which places Dooku above Vader as of ANH.

Dooku takes this rather handily.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Nothing about Muur vs Vader indicated he was superior.

Not to mention this doesn't prove Muur>Dooku either since Dooku is better than ROTS Kenobu who's better than ANH Kenobi who equalled Vader which places Dooku above Vader as of ANH.

Dooku takes this rather handily. Dooku beats Vader?

UH. 0-0

Ajunta trips and dies

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Dooku beats Vader?

UH. 0-0

Yes it's supported by logical scaling and teh fact that Dooku in general has better feats.

I mean it's not as if I'm unique holding this stance. Many others hold it as well.

Dooku ragdolls.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Yes it's supported by logical scaling and teh fact that Dooku in general has better feats.

I mean it's not as if I'm unique holding this stance. Many others hold it as well. Scaling is more important then feats imo.

I don't know where this Dooku>Vader business started coming from but I sure do hope it goes away just as quickly. It probably will once Azronger makes his next post.

It's only a matter of time before Az himself confesses Dooku's superiority.

Tyranus > Jedi!Dooku ~ TPM Mace > the Revan that beat SF Malak > SF Malak > Exar Kun > Freedon Nadd > Ajunta Pall
The scaling doesn't lie.

You're assuming that TPM Mace is better than Revan though which is highly suspect.

Although I agree Dooku takes this.

Ajunta Pall>Karness Muur>Vader>Dooku. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Ajunta Pall>Karness Muur>Vader>Dooku. :3

Relies on the faulty premise Karness is better than Vader and that Vader is better than Dooku.

Either way Krayt sucks 🍆🥐🍻🐐😂🥂😘🔫

Originally posted by HP Legend
Relies on the faulty premise Karness is better than Vader and that Vader is better than Dooku. Relies on the faulty premise Dooku>Vader. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Relies on the faulty premise Dooku>Vader. :3

Give me something that proves Vader is better.

Because as far as I'm concerned there isn't any evidence that he is. Dooku just has much better feats.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Give me something that proves Vader is better.

Because as far as I'm concerned there isn't any evidence that he is. Dooku just has much better feats. He has killed more Jedi for one. :3

I wonder if choosing Anakin over Dooku was just because Dooku was getting old or not.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
He has killed more Jedi for one. :3

I wonder if choosing Anakin over Dooku was just because Dooku was getting old or not.

Killing more Jedi doesn't mean you're a stronger Force Wielder.

And Sidious chose Anakin because he was vastly more powerful than Dooku but this isn't applicable to Vader because he's factually a lot weaker than Anakin.

As for his best Force Feats you'll see them posted in my response to MP at the end of next week.

Patience is a virtue my friend.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Killing more Jedi doesn't mean you're a stronger Force Wielder.

And Sidious chose Anakin because he was vastly more powerful than Dooku but this isn't applicable to Vader because he's factually a lot weaker than Anakin.

He is weaker than Anakin how?

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
He is weaker than Anakin how?

Worse feats and a G-Canon statement which places him below Anakin as of ESB.

Mind citing a couple feats that place Dooku above Vader? :3

Lol, an enraged Opress. We know Dooku is stronger than TCW Maul, who in turn is far stronger than Savage.

Originally posted by bdsmbdsm
Lol, an enraged Opress. We know Dooku is stronger than TCW Maul, who in turn is far stronger than Savage. Did you not see it happen in TCW?

Did you not read what I said? Opress was rage-amped and Dooku wasn't expecting his newfound strength... We know for a fact, that at their base levels Dooku is far superior across the board, including physical strength.

Yes but that doesn't negate Dooku being a better fighter and having no trouble with Anakin in TCW S6 who's also a Djem-So specialist.

Karness Muur being better than 19 BBY Vader(the weakest version of Vader) doesn't mean he's better than Tyranus lmfao.
And him being better than Vader is highly, highly questionable.

Originally posted by MythLord
Karness Muur being better than 19 BBY Vader(the weakest version of Vader) doesn't mean he's better than Tyranus lmfao.
And him being better than Vader is highly, highly questionable. True, But does Pall rank high enough above Muur to pull such a feat off.

I could see Muur defeating Dooku.

@victreebelvictr:

I don't see why Vader would be better than TCW S6 Anakin given he was still weaker than ROTS Kenobi as of ANH who's weaker than TCW S6 Anakin.

Originally posted by HP Legend
@victreebelvictr:

I don't see why Vader would be better than TCW S6 Anakin given he was still weaker than ROTS Kenobi as of ANH who's weaker than TCW S6 Anakin. How was he weaker the Kenobi then?

Was it the confrontation they had?

Or are you referring to Lucas's quote. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr



He's equal to Old Ben who was described as a shadow of his former self indicating he's far weaker than ROTS Kenobi as of ANH.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Originally posted by victreebelvictr



He's equal to Old Ben who was described as a shadow of his former self indicating he's far weaker than ROTS Kenobi as of ANH. Yeah, but where are you making the comparison of Vader winning here exactly?

Ben hit his blade, knew he would die anyway, so he let Vader kill him.

Reasoning for both claims is welcome.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Yeah, but where are you making the comparison of Vader winning here exactly?

Ben hit his blade, knew he would die anyway, so he let Vader kill him.

1. Vader does win but arguing he's not below Dooku is questionable.

2. Ben thinking he couldn't win and was going to die eventually doesn't mean he wasn't Vader's equal lol.

Originally posted by HP Legend
1. Vader does win but arguing he's not below Dooku is questionable.

2. Ben thinking he couldn't win and was going to die eventually doesn't mean he wasn't Vader's equal lol. Yeah, he knew he would die to Vader, so how does that make him his equal exactly?

Well he basically decided it was the time to die there beforehand...

Originally posted by bdsmbdsm
Well he basically decided it was the time to die there beforehand... Why not choose to die before that? :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Yeah, he knew he would die to Vader, so how does that make him his equal exactly?

The key part being him knowing he'd die to Vader. You just made that up lol. He was surrounded by Stormtroopers. He thought he'd die because there was no chance of escape not because Vader was actually better than him.

Per Fightsaber Vader couldn't break Kenobi's gaurd which is what's visually potrayed on screen and Vader later acknowledges Kenobi was his equal.

nvm

Originally posted by HP Legend
The key part being him knowing he'd die to Vader. You just made that up lol. He was surrounded by Stormtroopers. He thought he'd die because there was no chance of escape not because Vader was actually better than him.

Per Fightsaber Vader couldn't break Kenobi's gaurd which is what's visually potrayed on screen and Vader later acknowledges Kenobi was his equal. So a bunch of stormtroopers can beat Vader? Please.

And Vader would break his wrist. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
So a bunch of stormtroopers can beat Vader? Please.

And Vader would break his wrist. :3

When did I ever say Stormtroopers could beat Vader or Obi Wan? I said Vader+Stormtroopers could beat Obi Wan.

And no Vader can't just break Obi Wan's wrist given he was equalled by him.

Originally posted by HP Legend
When did I ever say Stormtroopers could beat Vader or Obi Wan? I said Vader+Stormtroopers could beat Obi Wan.

And no Vader can't just break Obi Wan's wrist given he was equalled by him. There is no evidence that Kenobi thought this. :3

You are making some pretty pathetic excuses now bud.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
There is no evidence that Kenobi thought this. :3

You are making some pretty pathetic excuses now bud.

There is no evidence he thought he'd die to Vader solo either. All we know is that Kenobi thought he'd die and given all the other evidence it's safe to say Kenobi thought he'd die because he was surrounded with know hope of escape.

Not to mention Kenobi's opinion isn't fact.

Originally posted by HP Legend
There is no evidence he thought he'd die to Vader solo either. All we know is that Kenobi thought he'd die and given all the other evidence it's safe to say Kenobi thought he'd die because he was surrounded with know hope of escape.

Not to mention Kenobi's opinion isn't fact. So basically, we have a draw with either he thought he was going to die to Vader or Vader and troops.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
So basically, we have a draw with either he thought he was going to die to Vader or Vader and troops.

Basically yeah.

Originally posted by HP Legend
Basically yeah. That was actually plenty of fun, good game bud, good game. :3