Originally posted by leonidas
that's the thing--if she uses tk to remove the dampeners, he misdirects. (not even sure at half a km she could remove them...but maybe.) his best misdirect range is easily within the limits. once the dampeners are down, you think she automatically can find his mind within the illusion, but i'm not so sure. if she were IN his mind, i can see her being unaffected, as you showed. but having to find him AFTER he released a misdirect? even jamie braddock couldn't determine what was real without some serious effort:
https://imgur.com/a/67TS3Kh
(the goat is actually a possessed, elder jaime) i guess it depends on just how you want to define the illusion. it has been presented in different ways. if we view it as actual reality tampering, then there isn't really any reason to suppose she could simply use tp to see through it. she might be able to logic her way out, somehow. i could see her pulling an apocverine and instead of punching hitting with her tk dagger for example. but simply seeing through a reality alteration (if that is what it is) i don't see it.
and storm doesn't usually go for aoe attacks that would cover half a km in area, but i can see your point about knowledge of fantomex perhaps making that a viable tactic for her in this. we can of course offer fantomex his bullets that never miss, however.... i've seen some state them as standard gear for him, though i am not one of those people.
Even if she was misdirected from that far away, my disagreement is below your next post, he'd still have to either: Make Fake Fantomex come up to fight her, in which case she TK's him then checks(remember, she knows she could be being duped already) by removing his mask and scanning him. The illusion will have no mind, like Mindblast's illusion; alternatively, he could walk up himself to make the shot. He's .5km away, and has zero accuracy feats. Her shields are up, so he'd do nothing even if he hits her, and the illusion would end since he broke it himself. Then he's in trouble.
Goat Monk goes back to what I've been saying. Yes, misdirect works when the person isn't aware Fantomex can/is doing it. Once he realized the inconsistency, he broke it quite easily.
"Reality skewing" is taken too literally. We've seen Fantomex, multiple times, while misdirecting someone. Reality doesn't actually change. The victim simply sees an illusion. It's reality "skewing" because it presents a plausible scenario stemming from the actual moment beforehand. He needs a mind to cast it on, he's shown that it allows him to manipulate the astral/psychic planes to some degree as well, and it's been branded hypnosis or illusion casting most often. As we've seen, you can even "dodge" it by hiding your psyche from him, so I'd argue it's quite clearly a mental attack at this point. It's highly specialized of course, but similar to Regan Wyngarde, or Princess Projectra/Sensor Girl, or an empath like Psycho Pirate. Their standard forms are shitty in conventional telepathic terms, but their specialties are pretty insane. Regan doesn't even need to be conscious, the illusions produce physical effects(your body will bleed if stabbed in pretend land), and persist in the face of blatant internal contradictions. Not to derail, but just pondering similar characters.
As for Storm, yeah, I guess I'm giving the same response. If you're going by "averages" like you're hinting, then you have to do the same for Fantomex. That means no never-seen-before-or-since interpretation of misdirection. And yeah, Dark wants to believe Fantomex still has those bullets made from Weapon III's skin, but Fantomex explicitly used the last one against Archangelocalypse. He had a limited supply ever since he was introduced. It was a story point that ended nearly 10 years ago.
Originally posted by leonidas
last couple points here. one of the reasons i don't think she can scan for him once she is IN the misdirect is based on the feat accomplished against SHIP. in the scans below he actually misdirected SHIP into thinking it had teleported to another planet. it stands to reason that ship would have scanned the planet it thought it was on, yet it still believed it was ON that planet. not sure betsy would be able to tell his mind from a reality-skewed version of him, like ship couldn't tell it wasn't on that planet. likely something we simply won't agree on, but that is the basis for my reasoning.
it's a pretty retarded feat given it was a celestial ship.
in the second set of scans we see how potent, long lasting and far-reaching his misdirects can be against the horsemen.
https://imgur.com/a/OrhJnJq
That's a clone of SHIP according to Wolverine technically. It doesn't have a reason to scan anything. The problem here is the same problem I'm trying to relay about all these examples. The ship didn't even know Fantomex was awake, much less misdirecting it. Why would it doubt that it had teleported to its destination?
That's not the case in the fight. Psylocke is being dropped into an arena and told she is fighting Fantomex. She'll definitely scan and fight the illusion just like everyone else who was aware of what's happening. And she can still just keep her shields up.
It's similar to how Wolverine has detected Fantomex by smell,or lack thereof, on multiple occassions.
https://postimg.cc/2L3dzVZk
https://postimg.cc/V5NW9HHx
Logan was misdirected when Shadow King possessed him, but then SK made Logan switch to smell to avoid that.
Additionally, I don't feel this feat is some super distance thing. The Horsemen are inside of E.V.A the whole time, so Fantomex is essentially right next to them. He's legit never done anything like that without E.V.A assisting.
