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I thouhght Perpetua seems to be above even Mandrakk.
What do you think?

Round1:Mandrakk in Unexpected
Round2:Ogama Mandrakk
Round3: Dax Novu

I think snyder needs to stop making god awful villain

Perpetua beat the first 2 rounds, no idea for round 3

Originally posted by MrMind
I think snyder needs to stop making god awful villain

Perpetua beat the first 2 rounds, no idea for round 3
I think DC cosmology always expand to infinite degree.
So
Perpetua>Mandrakk>Presence
for me.

as far as dc cosmology concern, Presence is still omnipotent so... he'll beat these 2 in his sleep

Mandrakk In SMB1-2, wins
All others should lose

Originally posted by MrMind
as far as dc cosmology concern, Presence is still omnipotent so... he'll beat these 2 in his sleep
Didn't Presence confirm that he is shaped by belief of humanity?
I have no reason to distinguish Presence from other Pantheon.

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Originally posted by MrMind
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In feat, Presence has far better feat,i admit.
But,does he have some official setting to regard him as supreme being in every DC cosmology?
I think there is no difference in the fact that every "god" in DC are shaped sentient belief and imagination.
Is Presence only exception?

"Ie the minds of sentient beings across the universe. We make our gods for ourselves, in our own image"

Mike carey confirm it, doesn't he?
So,i think Presence is no exception.

Originally posted by CatL18
Didn't Presence confirm that he is shaped by belief of humanity?
I have no reason to distinguish Presence from other Pantheon. this really depends on which version.like in spectre or paradise lost,presence is essentially everything,everything is part of presence
https://i.imgur.com/YtllFc6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKScc99.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJd1qKv.jpg
contains and surpasses everyone and everything in creation
https://i.imgur.com/9u3rI2R.jpg
and in grant morrison cosmology,GOD itself essentially is we writing story's page,so no characters is more powerful than GOD,because characters couldn't beating the story background itself
https://i.imgur.com/iUspyE3.png

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
this really depends on which version.like in spectre or paradise lost,presence is essentially everything,everything is part of presence
https://i.imgur.com/YtllFc6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKScc99.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJd1qKv.jpg
contains and surpasses everyone and everything in creation
https://i.imgur.com/9u3rI2R.jpg
and in grant morrison cosmology,GOD itself essentially is we writing story's page,so no characters is more powerful than GOD,because characters couldn't beating the story background itself
https://i.imgur.com/iUspyE3.png
Thank you.
What I referd is Presence in Mike Carey's Lucifer.
As you said,it depends on which interpretation of GOD we accept.
But, Isn't Morrison's interpretation about GOD Overvoid unlike Presence?

Originally posted by CatL18
Thank you.
What I referd is Presence in Mike Carey's Lucifer.
As you said,it depends on which interpretation of GOD we accept.
But, Isn't Morrison's interpretation about GOD Overvoid unlike Presence? well,because morrison uses capitalization to GOD.and he also talk about angels(though weirdly is,he wrote angels in JLA,but is unlike monitors,so i also have some questions about "another word for angel,of course" this part...)

BTW, Perpetua is mother of Prime monitor and Anti monitor and World Forger.
Doesn't this fact put her above Dax Novu?

Perpetua wins easily . Mandrakk predates one multiverse . Perpetua and sibilings predates infinite multiverses to each of their own .

Has Perpetua done anything of note yet?