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Phoenix Five vs. Depowered Tyrant

1st round: 1v1.
2nd round: 5v1.


Who wins?

given what we've seen when the pf has come up against galactus in the past, not sure how tyrant wins. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
given what we've seen when the pf has come up against galactus in the past, not sure how tyrant wins. /shrug Phoenix 5 , not Phoenix force.

Tyrant wins.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Phoenix 5 , not Phoenix force.

yeah but collectively they had all the pf. if tyrant kills them one at a time--which would be tough, the power just moves until it's all in one of them anyway. and if this is collosonaut, that's even more power....

i dunno. i don't see tyrant winning this. old school thanos caused him some problems. the 5 were well beyond him at that stage.

I guess it depends how you see things. Do we give the P5 Phoenix feats? Presumably we can use CIS, and say their puny human minds still hold them back.

They would be too much. Namor and Piotr to hold him off while Emma attacks his mind, Cyclops tears away his body and Magik carves his soul?

Not a chance.

Tyrant wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess it depends how you see things. Do we give the P5 Phoenix feats? Presumably we can use CIS, and say their puny human minds still hold them back.

maybe i guess, but i still think they have too much raw power for him.

Same. Didn't P5 Cyclops attempt to fight God Doom?

lol yeah, attempt being the operative word.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/image-1-720x843-142308-600x189.jpg

Tbf, Cyclops actually did manage to give Doom pause before he was slaughtered:
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467814_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-018.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467815_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-019.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467816_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-020.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467817_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-021.jpg

Which is pretty impressive given that God Doom > the IG and Eternity. /shrug

Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant wins. Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant wins.
Yup. The P5 were pathetic.

Originally posted by leonidas
given what we've seen when the pf has come up against galactus in the past, not sure how tyrant wins. /shrug
What have we seen? The PF and Galactus never fought when either were at full power. At least Tyrant fought a fed Galactus.

nothing i've ever seen in any galactus/pf confrontation has ended well for galactus.

as for feat sharing--that's true i suppose, though the allusion was that with the full pf was beyond someone like cyttorak even, and scott's showing vs doom was reasonably impressive. namor's showing v the avengers>tyrant vs heralds, and that was just ONE of the p5. scarlet witch was considered very uber at the time and he matched her. overall they had enough showings for me to feel comfortable saying that i think they would beat tyrant's a$$. /shrug now if we're saying fp tyrant? that might be different. it would at least be a lot harder to say for me.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. The P5 were pathetic.


What have we seen? The PF and Galactus never fought when either were at full power. At least Tyrant fought a fed Galactus.
The weakest PF host (Rachel) handed a hungry Galactus his ass.

https://i.postimg.cc/JGnQkg5Y/image.jpg

P5 would destroy Tyrant who only did something when he drained Galactus with his machines.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The weakest PF host (Rachel) handed a hungry Galactus his ass.

https://i.postimg.cc/JGnQkg5Y/image.jpg

P5 would destroy Tyrant who only did something when he drained Galactus with his machines.
Abhi that was the FULL PF vs a hungry Galactus. Rachel was in a coma after her fight with Necron and the PF was inhabiting her body, slowly healing her mind.

But you did mention a recent fight between the PF and Galactus in another thread a few weeks ago. What were you referring to? I'm curious.

Originally posted by zopzop
Abhi that was the FULL PF vs a hungry Galactus. Rachel was in a coma after her fight with Necron and the PF was inhabiting her body, slowly healing her mind.

And it was still Rachel.

It was a, future timeline.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And it was still Rachel.
Possessed and controlled by the full PF.


Issue? I want to see how this went down.

Originally posted by leonidas
nothing i've ever seen in any galactus/pf confrontation has ended well for galactus.

as for feat sharing--that's true i suppose, though the allusion was that with the full pf was beyond someone like cyttorak even, and scott's showing vs doom was reasonably impressive. namor's showing v the avengers>tyrant vs heralds, and that was just ONE of the p5. scarlet witch was considered very uber at the time and he matched her. overall they had enough showings for me to feel comfortable saying that i think they would beat tyrant's a$$. /shrug now if we're saying fp tyrant? that might be different. it would at least be a lot harder to say for me.

Tyrant was playing with the heralds, he could've easily killed them all, but that wasn't the reason behind their capture. Thanos was amped by an item of power. Galactus is a leaking balloon, and is always in survival mode. Tyrant was killing a fully fed Galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop

Possessed and controlled by the full PF.


Issue? I want to see how this went down.
Mind telling the issue number where it was shown?

X men Gold 35 IIRC. It was shown in one panel only.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind telling the issue number where it was shown?
Excalibur 52
https://i.postimg.cc/8JFTqz4D/image.jpg
She didnt' regain her body and consciousness till Excalibur 64 (which takes place after teh Galactus fight):
https://i.postimg.cc/zbRVTj9n/image.jpg



I looked I can't find it

Originally posted by zopzop

Excalibur 52
https://i.postimg.cc/8JFTqz4D/image.jpg
She didnt' regain her body and consciousness till Excalibur 64 (which takes place after teh Galactus fight):
https://i.postimg.cc/zbRVTj9n/image.jpg



I looked I can't find it
That doesn't shows Rachel was dormant and PF was in driving seat. Galactus had to show Rachel she was killing unborn futures which PF would've known from start and she identified as Rachel Summers.

I will see where its from.

Cyke stopped Thor's Mjolnir slam with one finger (a gesture basically). There is no way Tyrant can do that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cyke stopped Thor's Mjolnir slam with one finger (a gesture basically). There is no way Tyrant can do that.
Stormbreaker harmlessly bounced off Tyrant.
https://i.postimg.cc/qg3KTg9g/2995993-ss-v3-082-14b.jpg

Bill was weakened.

Tyrant gets Penetrated by the Penis Five.

Originally posted by Galan007


Tbf, Cyclops actually did manage to give Doom pause before he was slaughtered:
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467814_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-018.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467815_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-019.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467816_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-020.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467817_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-021.jpg

Which is pretty impressive given that God Doom > the IG and Eternity. /shrug

I always sigh when i read this issue. Should've pressed the attack instead of going into a monologue. He had him on the ropes glare

But yh considering God Doom could tap into the power of the entire Beyonder race whilst lone Beyonders took out the Celestials/Abstracts and a few took out LT, this showings great for a Phoenix host

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. The P5 were pathetic.


What have we seen? The PF and Galactus never fought when either were at full power. At least Tyrant fought a fed Galactus.

The Rachel vs Galactus battle highlighted that ultimately it wouldnt matter.

Galactus highlighted the difference between them, hes a physical, finite being reliant on outside power sources, whilst a Phoenix avatar is tapped into an infinite reservoir of power.

Even if he had just fed on a planet or two, that is overall still far less power than a host has at their command and Galactus would eventually burn through his reserves fighting one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't shows Rachel was dormant and PF was in driving seat. Galactus had to show Rachel she was killing unborn futures which PF would've known from start and she identified as Rachel Summers.

I will see where its from.

Zopzops right.

After Rachels battle with Necrom her mind was damaged and the Phoenix Force took the driving seat temporarily whilst Rachel healed.

In that battle with Galactus it was the PF in control channelling its power through Rachel.

this was an odd interpretation of the Phoenix Force as it was presented as naive and almost childlike.

Originally posted by Galan007


Tbf, Cyclops actually did manage to give Doom pause before he was slaughtered:
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467814_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-018.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467815_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-019.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467816_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-020.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/40467817_Secret_Wars_2015-_004-021.jpg

Which is pretty impressive given that God Doom > the IG and Eternity. /shrug

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I always sigh when i read this issue. Should've pressed the attack instead of going into a monologue. He had him on the ropes glare

But yh considering God Doom could tap into the power of the entire Beyonder race whilst lone Beyonders took out the Celestials/Abstracts and a few took out LT, this showings great for a Phoenix host


Cyclops was one of the most competent Phoenix hosts we've seen, all things considered.

If only he had shut his mouth. I'm surprised he didn't start making X's with his arms.

Cyke alone could probably beat Tyrant. I don't see Tyrant casually stopping a two handed Mjolnir slam from Thor with a single finger. That's magnitudes more powerful than Thor.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Rachel vs Galactus battle highlighted that ultimately it wouldnt matter.

Galactus highlighted the difference between them, hes a physical, finite being reliant on outside power sources, whilst a Phoenix avatar is tapped into an infinite reservoir of power.

Even if he had just fed on a planet or two, that is overall still far less power than a host has at their command and Galactus would eventually burn through his reserves fighting one.
What up GS! I just have my doubts about the current state of the PF. Marvel seems to take pleasure in phucking it over.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I always sigh when i read this issue. Should've pressed the attack instead of going into a monologue. He had him on the ropes glare

But yh considering God Doom could tap into the power of the entire Beyonder race whilst lone Beyonders took out the Celestials/Abstracts and a few took out LT, this showings great for a Phoenix host

Welcome back

Originally posted by zopzop
What up GS! I just have my doubts about the current state of the PF. Marvel seems to take pleasure in phucking it over.

Hey bro!

The more represented a character is the bigger variety of showings its bound to have. Look whats happened to Galactus over the years.

Its been well established that power levels differ between hosts and the Force states in Phoenix Resurrection that Jean is its most powerful and influential avatar.

Look at the Necrom vs Rachel battle within Excaibur. Necrom wielded a tiny slither of the Force he stole in the time of Feron and yet his power displays were far more impressive than Rachel who possessed the majority of the Force. As Phoenix Endsong rightly said, whats a fraction of infinity?

Hosts demonstrate power ranging from herald level right up to multiversal scale displays. Its how its always been. Thors taken out Rachel before yet no one would argue that Thors anywhere near Rachel as Phoenix.

Even the host-less firebird itself is stated on panel not to be the sum of the Phoenix Force but an expression of it. So its own displays aren't necessarily representative of its full capacity.

The only thing thats surprised me recently regarding the Phoenix has been the personality its been given. Its gone from a distant but benevolent entity to a complete dickhead under Jason Aaron and recent X-writers.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Welcome back

Thanks mate. I dip in and out when life permits

a coincidence that when you show up, mr master ALSO shows up.....? i think not. forum is always more fun when you guys are around. REALLY fun when you go at each other's throats, but i'll take what i can get.

Same guy, just with multiple personalities disorder. He writes himself a note whenever he logs on with one personality trying to get back at the other.

"Pick up bread and dill havarti

I shit on your gay flamebird, have fun phaggot!

Call mom"

plausible. mmm

Originally posted by StyleTime


Cyclops was one of the most competent Phoenix hosts we've seen, all things considered.

If only he had shut his mouth. I'm surprised he didn't start making X's with his arms.

Told you all so

Originally posted by leonidas
a coincidence that when you show up, mr master ALSO shows up.....? i think not. forum is always more fun when you guys are around. REALLY fun when you go at each other's throats, but i'll take what i can get.

I considered jumping in on that debate about universes vs pocket universes but i fear age has gotten the better of me. I just could not be bothered

It'll happen again one day

you didn't miss much my friend.... lol with age comes wisdom.

@ GS: Wut up baby? Been a while, hope you and the family are good.
Originally posted by leonidas

a coincidence that when you show up, mr master ALSO shows up.....? i think not.

forum is always more fun when you guys are around.

REALLY fun when you go at each other's throats, but i'll take what i can get.
... the nod is appreciate true debater.
Originally posted by One Big Mob

Same guy, just with multiple personalities disorder.
He writes himself a note whenever he logs on with one personality trying to get back at the other.

"Pick up bread and dill havarti

I shit on your gay flamebird, have fun phaggot!

Call mom"
Phukin Bran and his wizard-like instantaneous branderization.

I literally LOL while reading this. You're the king, B.

@Mr Master
WB dude