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Anti monitor

Anti-Monitor. Although if the battle took place in the Dark Multiverse, then Barbatos could stand a chance.

How does this battle look after the recent JL comic? Anti Monitor (along with the World Forger and Monitor) are now beings that transcend and control the DC Multiverse, including the 5th dimension and imps such as Mxy. On the other hand, Barbatos did manage to kill the World Forger and assert dominance over the Forge, so I would say these 2 are generally on the same level.

Barbatos was appointed by the World Forger to destroy Universes, until he betrayed and killed the latter.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40600169_RCO017.jpg

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How does this battle look after the recent JL comic? Anti Monitor (along with the World Forger and Monitor) are now beings that transcend and control the DC Multiverse, including the 5th dimension and imps such as Mxy. Monitor, Anti-Monitor, Perpetua and World Forger have some sort of undefined esoteric access to the 6th dimension, but at this point I'm not willing to say that they have power over the likes of Mxy just because they can enter the 6th dimension... Especially when Mxy can also whip up a portal to the 6th dimension while weakened.

Tbh, the 6th dimension almost seems to act as a White Hot Room of sorts for those few beings -- ie. they evidently go there to heal/respawn and such.

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
Monitor, Anti-Monitor, Perpetua and World Forger have some sort of undefined esoteric access to the 6th dimension, but at this point I'm not willing to say that they have power over the likes of Mxy just because they can enter the 6th dimension... Especially when Mxy can also whip up a portal to the 6th dimension while weakened.

Tbh, the 6th dimension almost seems to act as a White Hot Room of sorts for those few beings -- ie. they evidently go there to heal/respawn and such.

srug
To be fair, Mxy did attribute his ability to access the 6th dimension because the source wall was also broken

With that said, Scott Snyder refers to the 6th dimension as the control room. It's probably a way to control the "story telling".

Originally posted by xJLxKing
To be fair, Mxy did attribute his ability to access the 6th dimension because the source wall was also broken

With that said, Scott Snyder refers to the 6th dimension as the control room. It's probably a way to control the "story telling". Indeed, but Mxy is also weakened right now(and significantly so by the sounds of it.) So yeah.

Oh I'm positive the 6th dimension will be some hyper-metatextual realm. That said, we have no reason to believe that those four beings have any sort of actual 'control' over that realm or w/e. So far as we know right now, all they do is basically heal/respawn in the 6th dimension if they're destroyed, and that's about it.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I mean, it has mostly to do with what Mxy says. As mentioned, the only reason Mxy can even access the dimension is because the Source Wall is broken, and he explicitly states that the dimension is "the control room of the Multiverse" (and based on what's happening to the 5th dimension, it has control of that too) and restricted to "all but the most powerful beings," those beings labeled as the Three Brothers and Perpetua. He even says that the only beings who could exist there before that moment are the Brothers and Perpetua.

I see this as Mxy essentially admitting inferiority. Tbf, Mxy also acted like creating a portal to the 6th dimension would be some tremendously difficult feat that required most of his power... But then he casually whipped it up with a few *huffs* in a single panel while weakened. It's always hard to tell what the 'truth' is when it comes to Mxy(especially in this particular arc) -- he's playing his own game here. ermm

Regardless, the ability of those four beings to exist within the 6th dimension doesn't automatically put them above Mxy, imo. Especially when he is overwhelmingly more powerful than them in terms of showings. On top of that, Brainiac...who now has full working knowledge of Perpetua's function/purpose/power...was still scared shitless of Mxy:
https://i.imgur.com/ZJ9wQ4B.jpg
"I warned you, Luthor. His power is incalculable A Fifth-Dimensional Imp has no limits."


Only time will tell what's really going on here, but as of now I am definitely not prepared to put those four over Mxy(though it's clear that Perpetua is absurdly powerful.) /shrug

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm a bit confused by this. So the only four beings allowed to access the "Control Room of the Multiverse" have no control of the realm (i.e. no control over the Multiverse)? According to Mxy, the 6th dimension is basically just where those four sometimes reform when they're destroyed:
https://i.imgur.com/Gpk78oC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bucBs5c.jpg


Seemingly, the 6th dimension is to those four beings, what the White Hot Room is to the Phoenix.

It's a different manifestation of the same being:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40607795_Justice_League_2011-_040-009.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40607796_Justice_League_2011-_040-010.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40607797_Justice_League_2011-_040-011.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40607798_Justice_League_2011-_040-012.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40607799_Justice_League_2011-_040-013.jpg

so essentially COIE AM is the same being as new52 Mobius?

AM I recalling at least had 4 different origins
1COIE
2SUPERMAN BEYOND
3MOBIUS
4SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE
This guy origin story have no constancy........

Anyway,back to topic.I personally think it's should be AM
Monitor already managed to chained barbatos in dark metal ending
And AM even before he start absoring positive-matter universes,was already an equal to Monitor

Originally posted by MrMind
so essentially COIE AM is the same being as new52 Mobius? The implication is that it's all the same guy, yeah.

Originally posted by Galan007
The implication is that it's all the same guy, yeah. *This is further corroborated in Anti-Monitor's bio from the DC Encyclopedia (2016):
https://i.imgur.com/9wJkryC.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
*This is further corroborated in Anti-Monitor's bio from the DC Encyclopedia (2016):
https://i.imgur.com/9wJkryC.jpg

wow thanks this clear it up perfectly

I think as long as you are above a certain level in DC, crisis reboot will not affect you

In a 5 years this will be retcon as there are 2 different Anti, and Mxy will be back at the top of the food chain, minus God.

Originally posted by Galan007
*This is further corroborated in Anti-Monitor's bio from the DC Encyclopedia (2016):
https://i.imgur.com/9wJkryC.jpg

Thanks

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Honestly, I get a clear vibe from this series that Perpetua is on another level from even Mxy. These super celestials are completely beyond the scale/purview of the 5th dimension, as they govern an INFINITY of Multiverses like DC, and Perpetua is the most feared and reviled being amongst them. It seems DC is trying to ramp things up a notch by introducing cosmic forces far beyond the DC Multiverse -Mxy included. Perpetua could very well end up being more powerful than Mxy, and I won't at all be surprised if that turns out to be the case. Just keep in mind that Mxy is currently weakened in this arc, so not even a battle between them would be enough to prove that she is more powerful at this point. It would need to be something more.

And Mxy has already effortlessly destroyed the whole of DC comics...ALL universes, across ALL pasts/presents/futures(ie. Hypertime) + EVERY numbered dimension...and then recreated it all with a literal *snap*. So there again, Perpetua residing over the DC omniverse wouldn't even be enough to prove that she is beyond him.

Could end up just being a random comment, I suppose. /shrug

whats with the dimension tiering of current DC ?? I highly down perpetua scales above mxy's or pralayas high end busting multiverse busting feats . Especially considering the fact that in DC higher dimension dwarfs the physical multiverses by a unknown degree . We can only see mr mxy and pralaya destroying them on that scale under their own power .

Originally posted by MrMind
wow thanks this clear it up perfectly

I think as long as you are above a certain level in DC, crisis reboot will not affect you I think the fact that they're dimensionally above the DCU is what allows them to bypass it

Originally posted by Phil
I think the fact that they're dimensionally above the DCU is what allows them to bypass it Exactly.

Even though most of DC's Crisis events have mucked with all mainstream timelines(past/present/future), they have still primarily taken place within the Orrery/3D continuum, which leaves everything residing outside the Orrery unaffected.

Of course, there are some Crisis events which have indeed transcended the Orrery(ie. Final Crisis) -- and in those cases we have seen the higher-dimensional realms, along with the Orrery, affected as well.

Large-scale events that happen in the higher dimensions almost always have huge ramifications in the mainstream 3D continuum. We saw this on a very large scale during FC, obviously... And we also saw it during Morrison's run on Action Comics, when Vyndktvx used the Multi-Spear from within the 5th dimension.

For an update on these shenanigans: It seems the World Forger, an apparent equal of AM, was able to create an entire new (perfect) Multiverse separate from the DC Multiverse due to the latter's inevitable annihilation at the hands of Perpetua. He also implies that he ushered in all the lives from the prior Multiverse after each crisis, (Did he create these new multiverses as well??) by merely striking his hammer, so I wager AM is at least as powerful as Barbatos, if not stronger, given his parity with the World Forger.