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I see many of the threads seeming to blame incels for all violent, anti-social acts committed in western societies. For some reason, many have a confirmation bias where mass shooters are classified as incels if they ever state having difficulty holding relationships. Hence, many make the assumption that most incels are violence-prone individuals who may snap at anytime.


I would like to point to Japan, arguably the country with the highest number of virgins (and correspondingly the lowest birth rate). Appx 42% of men and 44.5% of females between the ages of 18 and 34 in Japan are are virgins.

Approximately 85+% percent of those surveyed stated that they wish for a relationship, so you cannot state these people choose to remain celibate. They are by definition, incels.

Yet in spite of this, Japan has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world. You don't see disgruntled virgins shooting up crowds of women, attacking mosques, etc.


Perhaps there is more to the issue of violence in American and other western societies than men simply being unable to get into a relationship?

Maybe it has something to do with individualist societies spreading the message that single people are losers and rejects?

Maybe it has to do with a bigger problem of overall disconnection in Western societies?

'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women

Or maybe it's because the concepts of honour and shame influence people's action in Japan more than they do in the US.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Or maybe it's because the concepts of honour and shame influence people's action in Japan more than they do in the US.

That's right in Japan "incels" don't kill other people, they kill themselves.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women

Japan is also a very homogenous society that has no Abrahamic religion.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women
The thing is, if incel ideology is an internet culture, which in turn is accessible from anywhere in the free-world, why don't Japanese incels adopt it?

Certainly it is not far fetched to suggest that many have at least been exposed to it on the interwebs.

There has to be something causing this that is unique specifically to individualist western society that incel ideology appeals to.

No (or more accurately very little) identity politics likely plays a large part.

Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they just own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women.

Incels are not just men who can't get laid; they are men who hate women and usually talk shit about them on the internet. Often on twitter, reddit and forums like this.

Instead of realising the reason they can't get laid is intrinsic to themselves.

Incels who share incel ideology, are predominantly white and feel the world owes them something.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women


You never know, it might exist.. Just not on any of the forums we frequent.



If it doesn't exist, that "could" point to other systemic differences of culture. For example, in Europe and the US, there's the "rat race" mentality, where everyone habitually attacks everyone else in the pecking order on one hand, while flaunting success on the other. That breeds a lot of contempt and resentment on all sides (I mean, just listen to the news. It's all about the anger, 24/7. All they do is push buttons.)

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women. I think this is the truth. I used to visit comicvine and some of the guys there were definitely Incels. I think many Incels use the Internet for brotherhood.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they just own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women. This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks.

Kill nippon.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks.

Kill nippon. But Japanese men, drink and commit suicide rather than ***** about women on the internet and kill people.

Originally posted by The Biggest Dog
But Japanese men, drink and commit suicide rather than ***** about women on the internet and kill people. That's true, but idk about you but I'd rather kill other people or rape women then kill myself. The latter is far more pathetic than the former.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's true, but idk about you, but I'd rather kill other people or rape women then kill myself. The latter is far more pathetic than the former. I think 9 out of 10 times people on an incel murder spree end up dead after making a futile and evil gesture. Imagine how there mother, father and siblings get treated too.

Does this forum have any obvious Incels who could add input to this thread?

Originally posted by The Biggest Dog
I think 9 out of 10 times people on an incel murder spree end up dead after making a futile and evil gesture. Imagine how there mother, father and siblings get treated too.

Does this forum have any obvious Incels who could add input to this thread? Ah they're just overstepping their boundaries, most incels are perfectly able to rape and occasionally kill in moderation.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah they're just overstepping their boundaries, most incels are perfectly able to rape and occasionally kill in moderation.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks.

Kill nippon. Filthy gaijin will pay for disrespecting Nippon. Teno Heika Banzai!

xJHTk-lgdtk

Originally posted by NemeBro
This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks.

Kill nippon.

Isn't it all about the seniority, or something?

I remember reading something about a very popular, very successful wrestler who basically had to shine the shoes of his nobody elders, all because of the age and seniority differences.

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't it all about the seniority, or something?

I remember reading something about a very popular, very successful wrestler who basically had to shine the shoes of his nobody elders, all because of the age and seniority differences. Yes, the Japanese are dumb enough to believe that being old makes you wise and worth obeying unconditionally.

Originally posted by The Biggest Dog
I think 9 out of 10 times people on an incel murder spree end up dead after making a futile and evil gesture. Imagine how there mother, father and siblings get treated too.

Does this forum have any obvious Incels who could add input to this thread? This forum has a few people who are probably Incels, yes mate. You've come across the most suspected a few times, like the Incel stereotype, they are angry. ,)

Originally posted by Putinbot1
This forum has a few people who are probably Incels, yes mate. You've come across the most suspected a few times, like the Incel stereotype, they are angry. ,)

I'm calling you out on this one, Putinbot.

You paint everyone with the same brush when it comes to incels vs a virgin guy not moved by peer pressure.

If we're defining incel in the loosest terms as someone who wants a relationship but can't have it, then you can consider me one.

I am a virgin, and am very open about it when asked. I do not see any shame in telling people that I've never dated a girl at age 20. Hell, in high-school the female dean of students once roasted me in front of my mates (because I didn't go to senior prom): "Kurk is going to be the 40 year old virgin".

I'll admit it was slightly embarrassing coming from the dean, but for no longer than a minute.

Being a virgin doesn't bother me. Occasionally I'll wish that I had a confidante to talk to, but nothing more (except acquiring an apprentice).

My point of this thread is to highlight how the idea of a violent incel is unique solely to contemporary Western social values/culture, and that people like you actually make this problem worse by indirectly mocking all virgin men.

I will occasionally make misogynist statements, sometimes to troll, other times raising genuine concerns (like #metoo being weaponized), but never once have I blamed women for my problems.

There are plenty of actual misogynists who partake in MGTOW, many of them being divorced men (so not incels). True, I don't recall any having shot up women or minority groups in retaliation, but I'd consider them to be much more of a threat with their hateful views than a "moderate incel" (lol at using that term).

I really don't think the issue of violent incels (or mass shooters in general) exists in collectivist societies like Japan because acquiring relationships for personal gain (or simply personal wants in general) are not prioritized like they are here in the USA's individualist culture.

In collectivist societies, success is not defined by individual gain. Being a productive citizen and contributing to society is (at least in Japan) of utmost priority. Hence, marriage and getting "your d1ck wet" is not important in the grand scheme of things .

The idea of success in the individualist Western society seems to be dominated by shallow pursuits of monetary gain for the sake of competing amongst others. Similarly, ideal relationships are portrayed as those where the guy gets the trophy wife ASAP rather than meeting an ideal partner to match personality for life. Those who do not accomplish this are seen as losers, hence triggering the incels.

Again, not an issue in collectivist societies.


This guy, in my eyes, is far more of an asset, as an incel school administrator/superintendent, in society than some 30 year-old working menial jobs to get by, but gets mad pu$$y.

In Western cultures, the question asked by everyone is "What can society do for me?" whereas in Japan and other collectivist societies the question is "What can I do for society?"

That is the root problem of incels. Not a simple lack of sex.

So what are you doing to solve the problem?

Me, I talk to those to I see as being at risk for misogyny. Naturally, my engineering school has quite a few of high-functioning autists who can come off as angry. I speak to them about coursework and try to get on a good basis with them so 1.) They spare me in a school shooting, but 2.) to not leave them isolated and remain at risk.


Japanese people have access to the internet. Nearly half the population are incels, and have certainly been exposed to incel ideology, but don't adapt it as it doesn't fit in with their collectivist societal views.

This is a cultural problem plain and simple.

Incelism spreading is inevitable with the emancipation of women and them entering the workforce, single motherhood being accepted, and the state offering support for single parents. This is not excusing the former because of the latter. Women are hypergamous, that's just how it works, and they no longer need the safety of a marriage to procreate and have a decent life. It's a good check to step up your game.

Unfortunately, most dudes need to lower their standards or step up their intrinsic value. Guys also need to understand that nobody except your mother will love you unconditionally. Trying to find that type of love in a woman is toxic. It's just not how things work; this isn't a Disney movie. Only women and children are loved unconditionally for who they are, rather than what they bring to the table. From an evolutionary standpoint, a woman is far more valuable to the species than a man; men are disposable. To not be disposable, stop being a whiny c*nt, and do something meaningful.

The competition is so f*cking low at this point too. A large swath of the male population has been feminized into believing idiocy and obesity is a real epidemic. Lift weights, get a decent paying job, learn some PUA, and you could bang chicks all day/night.

Imagine competing against dudes in the 50s? Guys were Alpha AF, slim, literally war veterans, and if they were middle class, dapper AF. Walking around campus, and the state of the average male is in sad disarray.

Also, if you're an average dude, stay off SM or dating apps. 90% of the women on there compete for 10% of the guys. Girls who are like a 6 at most, think they're an 8 because they get flooded with attention. Easy to approach and score with in real life, but don't bother online. Tinder seriously warps the mentality of some chicks, particularly mediocre female. I'm not sure why. This is all anecdotal, but I've noticed that hotter girls are more down to earth on SM. Once you step up your game, Tinder is a vending machine of vagina.

For all the hate it gets, I'd much rather dudes go the redpill route than Incelism. The latter just isn't healthy while the former is about owning up to your flaws and self-improving (Lots of angry individuals who give a bad name but that's just how large, decentralized ideas work). After the initial anger phase, every dude I've pointed to redpill in the last 2 years has significantly improved his standard of living, the amount of girls they get, and overall quality of life. You can probably condense redpill into a male sexual mating strategy book that focuses on increasing the body/mind/soul wellness in a PC-less way that doesn't try to account for any particular groups feelings.

Being an Incel seems like such an easy problem to solve in 2019. Entire swaths of losers out there. Lift, learn some culture, practice meditation and mindfulness to control your emotions, find some meaningful hobbies like volunteering, or rock-climbing to make friends/companions etc. and within a year, you'll be surprised by the attention you'll be getting.

I thank Jesus I never got addicted to porn or video games for long periods of time.

I'd rather just rape women tbh.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd rather just rape women tbh. Weren't you the guy who called me creepy for having a crush on Raven?

Originally posted by TempAccount
Weren't you the guy who called me creepy for having a crush on Raven?

Did he say "I'd rather rape loli's


No? Then he can call you creepy.

Originally posted by TempAccount
Weren't you the guy who called me creepy for having a crush on Raven? Not at all, I spank it to Raven getting her salad tossed by Starfire occasionally myself.