A quarter of Americans are Involuntarily Celibate

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Putinbot1
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/sex-drought-crisis-816294/

Not just gamer white boys and nutjobs with guns.

BrolyBlack
We know PB, you think you are the only guy here that gets laid.

I can say definitively I get laid more than youthumb up

Archaeopteryx
Online porn, seriously

BackFire
Losers need to get some game.

Bashar Teg
good, less breeding

samhain
More kids whining about being owed sex merely because TV told them it was everywhere. Hope this all quietens down once this generation learns how to treat the opposite sex. (Including women in that BTW.)

Putinbot1
Originally posted by samhain
More kids whining about being owed sex merely because TV told them it was everywhere. Hope this all quietens down once this generation learns how to treat the opposite sex. (Including women in that BTW.) Agreed, these kids are so ****ing weird.

mike brown
At this point I really just need to ask... What's with the incel obsession?

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by mike brown
At this point I really just need to ask... What's with the incel obsession?

the topic is not 'incels', which is a butthurt belief structure that hates women. good luck with the derailment attempt though thumb up

mike brown
It's a genuine question... He talks about it quite a bit so I'm curious

"Incel" is an abbreviated version of"involuntary celibate" so I don't think I made that much of a stretch.

Bashar Teg
If he talks about incels a lot, then why not ask in one of those threads.

since they are so abundant they should be easy to find.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbh, that's a bit of a national crisis. Nobody is owed sex, but we really have to examine what factors lead to 25% of your goddamn male population not getting laid or being unfit for sexual consideration. Because that probably correlates to a host of issues. Whether it's obesity, addiction to online pornography etc.

Like, that should be a discussion Senate panels have as silly as it sounds. Too bad no one is mature enough to discuss this even at a leadership level.

Women are hypergamous, so 80% of them will chase 20% of the top males or something of the sort which is how we filter for the top performers but once that gets to 90/10, yeesh.

Whatever, sucks to suck. I just feel bad.

mike brown
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
If he talks about incels a lot, then why not ask in one of those threads, since they are so abundant. I am. The article in question has a lot to do with the incel movement.

Bashar Teg
So you have the right to derail because incels are included among the topic? Incels are also mammals so no threads about mammals or mike brown gets to call foul and derail the thread. good for you buddy thumb up

mike brown
You're actually the one derailing the thread. It is a simple question that I'm sure Putin will answer when he sees it, doesn't need to be anything more than that.

And lol @ mammals. I can't really take you serious with that shit. Read the article and get back to me. Incels are the primary focus of the article. The stat cited in the title is explored as to what extent it potentially validates their frustrations.

Surtur
Originally posted by mike brown
You're actually the one derailing the thread. It is a simple question that I'm sure Putin will answer when he sees it, doesn't need to be anything more than that.

And lol @ mammals. I can't really take you serious with that shit. Read the article and get back to me. Incels are the primary focus of the article. The stat cited in the title is explored as to what extent it potentially validates their frustrations.

Here is the truth: they have an obsession with incels and accuse members here of being them and create threads like this as a way of taking thinly veiled shots at them.

Bash is gaslighting you here, pretending he's not aware this happens. He will indeed continue to pretend like he has no idea what you are talking about.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by mike brown
You're actually the one derailing the thread. It is a simple question that I'm sure Putin will answer when he sees it, doesn't need to be anything more than that.

And lol @ mammals. I can't really take you serious with that shit. Read the article and get back to me. Incels are the primary focus of the article. The stat cited in the title is explored as to what extent it potentially validates their frustrations.

1/4 of americans want to have sex, but can't. that's the topic; and a pretty significant one, since that number does not include the voluntarily celibate and those who are simply incapable of performing, like surt.
so it seems that far fewer americans are f*cking these days.

i'm more curious about that than your personal vendetta against whirly and weak ad hominem attacks where none was provoked.


oh and nice job accusing me of derailing, for calling out your derailing. *honk honk* clown

mike brown
@ Surtur

I'd rather you let Putin answer for himself, tbh. I understand you're giving me your perception of it but that will only serve to bring everybody into battle mode. If rather hear from him why the fixation on incels which, so far as i can tell, goes beyond throwing pot shots at other members. And now I have to solitude cause it seems this might derail the thread after all, where as that wasn't ever my initial intention. I was asking Putin, not anyone else.

I'll say that I've had groups like ISIS that intrigue my interest more than they probably should. What is it about incels you find so interesting Putin?

mike brown
Originally posted by Bashar Teg

i'm more curious about that than your personal vendetta against whirly and weak ad hominem attacks where none was provoked. pernsonal vendetta??? I asked one simple question and you turned it into this shitstorm.

Bashar Teg
ok i'll come back and post when you get bored and go play candy crush, and we're allowed to discuss the topic.

mike brown
Discuss all you want. I really don't see how my question prevents you from discussing anything. But maybe I just don't know my own power.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbh, that's a bit of a national crisis. Nobody is owed sex, but we really have to examine what factors lead to 25% of your goddamn male population not getting laid or being unfit for sexual consideration. Because that probably correlates to a host of issues. Whether it's obesity, addiction to online pornography etc.

Like, that should be a discussion Senate panels have as silly as it sounds. Too bad no one is mature enough to discuss this even at a leadership level.

Women are hypergamous, so 80% of them will chase 20% of the top males or something of the sort which is how we filter for the top performers but once that gets to 90/10, yeesh.

Whatever, sucks to suck. I just feel bad. This is what the thread is about Mike not the ideology of Incels.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Women are hypergamous, so 80% of them will chase 20% of the top males or something of the sort which is how we filter for the top performers but once that gets to 90/10, yeesh.

^^This reeks of bro-sociology, tho

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^This reeks of bro-sociology, tho Yes it does, that aside though it's talking about the topic as intended, whether you or I agree with the psychology, which we don't.

mike brown
But .. that post is laced with incel ideology lol.

mike brown
For the record I understand what the thread is about I'm just asking where your fascination with incels comes from. If you don't want to answer just say so.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Yes it does, that aside though it's talking about the topic as intended, whether you or I agree with the psychology, which we don't. yes it is definitely relevant, it wasn't my intention to drag him over it. Just seems really lopsided and incomplete, blaming it all on women; especially since men often aim way out of their league as well, and stay alone because of it.

BackFire
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbh, that's a bit of a national crisis. Nobody is owed sex, but we really have to examine what factors lead to 25% of your goddamn male population not getting laid or being unfit for sexual consideration. Because that probably correlates to a host of issues. Whether it's obesity, addiction to online pornography etc.

Like, that should be a discussion Senate panels have as silly as it sounds. Too bad no one is mature enough to discuss this even at a leadership level.

Women are hypergamous, so 80% of them will chase 20% of the top males or something of the sort which is how we filter for the top performers but once that gets to 90/10, yeesh.

Whatever, sucks to suck. I just feel bad.

Unless you are extremely good looking, successful or have a great and charming natural personality (like I do), it can take a lot of work and effort to get to a point where you are comfortable talking to women, and usually, this also goes with many failures. It can be a scary thing if you're not used to it, no one likes failure, but you have to just push on and keep trying, like anything.

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of these people don't really want to put out the effort to learn or improve themselves in any meaningful way. It's easier for them to just sit there and vaguely blame women for not flocking to them for being "nice guys" while they sit behind their keyboards eating Cheetos than it is to actually go out and talk to women, get rejected, learn from that rejection, and talk to others until you find one you mesh with. People are used to instant gratification in today's world, and a good woman will not give you instant gratification. It's ironic because we now live in a world of Tinder/Bumble and other free services that will essentially match you up with a date without even leaving your house, but like in real life, on these, it takes a great deal of effort and time, and honestly a little luck.

I think your last point is too simplistic and doesn't give women enough credit. They are no different than men, they want the best they can get. The key is to make a woman think you are that, even if by most metrics, you are not. If you act confident and successful, and are able to make her laugh, that's 90% of what you need to do in order to get your foot in the door. Honestly, I find women to be much less superficial than men when it comes to who they date. I see extremely attractive and beautiful women with guys who are overweight, short, bald, or just overall not very good looking, which should be great news for these guys who can't get laid. It means the problem probably isn't their looks, but their personality or the effort they are willing to put out, or their cowardice.

Eon Blue

Surtur
Originally posted by mike brown
@ Surtur

I'd rather you let Putin answer for himself, tbh. I understand you're giving me your perception of it but that will only serve to bring everybody into battle mode. If rather hear from him why the fixation on incels which, so far as i can tell, goes beyond throwing pot shots at other members. And now I have to solitude cause it seems this might derail the thread after all, where as that wasn't ever my initial intention. I was asking Putin, not anyone else.

I'll say that I've had groups like ISIS that intrigue my interest more than they probably should. What is it about incels you find so interesting Putin?

He can answer for himself, but I can already tell you how he will respond. He'll feign ignorance and act like he has a legit concern over this. I guarantee it.

Only question is if you fall for it, but then again to do so you'd need to flat out ignore the sheer number of incel threads these sad souls make.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BackFire
Unless you are extremely good looking, successful or have a great and charming natural personality (like I do), it can take a lot of work and effort to get to a point where you are comfortable talking to women, and usually, this also goes with many failures. It can be a scary thing if you're not used to it, no one likes failure, but you have to just push on and keep trying, like anything.

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of these people don't really want to put out the effort to learn or improve themselves in any meaningful way. It's easier for them to just sit there and vaguely blame women for not flocking to them for being "nice guys" while they sit behind their keyboards eating Cheetos than it is to actually go out and talk to women, get rejected, learn from that rejection, and talk to others until you find one you mesh with. People are used to instant gratification in today's world, and a good woman will not give you instant gratification. It's ironic because we now live in a world of Tinder/Bumble and other free services that will essentially match you up with a date without even leaving your house, but like in real life, on these, it takes a great deal of effort and time, and honestly a little luck.

I think your last point is too simplistic and doesn't give women enough credit. They are no different than men; they want the best they can get. The key is to make a woman think you are that, even if by most metrics, you are not. If you act confident and successful, and can make her laugh, that's 90% of what you need to do to get your foot in the door. Honestly, I find women to be much less superficial than men when it comes to who they date. I see extremely attractive and beautiful women with guys who are overweight, short, bald, or just overall not very good looking, which should be great news for these guys who can't get laid. It means the problem probably isn't their looks, but their personality or the effort they are willing to put out, or their cowardice. This is solidly the correct answer.

I can only imagine Surt is somehow trying to make himself a victim in a thread about some people not having sex.

He should read the wise words above.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by BackFire
Unless you are extremely good looking, successful or have a great and charming natural personality (like I do), it can take a lot of work and effort to get to a point where you are comfortable talking to women, and usually, this also goes with many failures. It can be a scary thing if you're not used to it, no one likes failure, but you have to just push on and keep trying, like anything.

I think the biggest problem is that a lot of these people don't really want to put out the effort to learn or improve themselves in any meaningful way. It's easier for them to just sit there and vaguely blame women for not flocking to them for being "nice guys" while they sit behind their keyboards eating Cheetos than it is to actually go out and talk to women, get rejected, learn from that rejection, and talk to others until you find one you mesh with. People are used to instant gratification in today's world, and a good woman will not give you instant gratification. It's ironic because we now live in a world of Tinder/Bumble and other free services that will essentially match you up with a date without even leaving your house, but like in real life, on these, it takes a great deal of effort and time, and honestly a little luck.

I think your last point is too simplistic and doesn't give women enough credit. They are no different than men, they want the best they can get. The key is to make a woman think you are that, even if by most metrics, you are not. If you act confident and successful, and are able to make her laugh, that's 90% of what you need to do in order to get your foot in the door. Honestly, I find women to be much less superficial than men when it comes to who they date. I see extremely attractive and beautiful women with guys who are overweight, short, bald, or just overall not very good looking, which should be great news for these guys who can't get laid. It means the problem probably isn't their looks, but their personality or the effort they are willing to put out, or their cowardice. thumb up

SquallX

Eon Blue
^ this.

Bashar Teg
The topic is involuntary celibacy. (Involuntary is when you have no choice. JFC)



Originally posted by Eon Blue
^ this.

really?

carthage
Maybe if I make a million threads about Trump, and 20+ sock accounts a year the ladies will love me

BrolyBlack
Well you love me, so I guess it works

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^This reeks of bro-sociology, tho

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Yes it does, that aside though it's talking about the topic as intended, whether you or I agree with the psychology, which we don't.


Not really. It's based on real-world data.



https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a





Online dating sucks. Almost all the women are liars. They are almost all fat or take overwhelmingly flattering pictures. Every now and then, you find a great one, though. smile

BrolyBlack
Man that is some sad shit. Women can basically catfish good looking guys and get away with it.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not really. It's based on real-world data.



https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a





Online dating sucks. Almost all the women are liars. They are almost all fat or take overwhelmingly flattering pictures. Every now and then, you find a great one, though. smile I can't see the size of the sample group, who carried the study out, nature of selection etc. For data to be worth anything, it needs those. Otherwise, it's just h1a8 maths. It doesnt rven say wjo carried out the research.

Bentley
I'd say we should aim for the 50% of male population that cannot get laid. Sex should be a scarce rare occasion that people should pretty much take for lost since the get to go. That way they'd get less frustrated.

To reach this goal we must outlaw music and fiction about love and mating, every other topic like constructing pieces of machinery and teaching parrots how to talk should take its place. There should be tons of female and male interaction, but any kind of sexual advance should weird out characters and finally everyone should always agree that being just friends is better.

We should also get better sex education and a better establishment for prostitution, to aid deviants that are still victims of their biology. It'd be considered a handicap labelled sexual deviant and they'd have an assigned prostitute and a therapists that would eventually diminsh their need for sex.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bentley
I'd say we should aim for the 50% of male population that cannot get laid. Sex should be a scarce rare occasion that people should pretty much take for lost since the get to go. That way they'd get less frustrated.

To reach this goal we must outlaw music and fiction about love and mating, every other topic like constructing pieces of machinery and teaching parrots how to talk should take its place. There should be tons of female and male interaction, but any kind of sexual advance should weird out characters and finally everyone should always agree that being just friends is better.

We should also get better sex education and a better establishment for prostitution, to aid deviants that are still victims of their biology. It'd be considered a handicap labelled sexual deviant and they'd have an assigned prostitute and a therapists that would eventually diminsh their need for sex. Just let them read alt-right ideas, women won't go near them.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I can't see the size of the sample group, who carried the study out, nature of selection etc. For data to be worth anything, it needs those. Otherwise, it's just h1a8 maths. It doesnt rven say wjo carried out the research.

Click the link and answer your own questions.

Or better yet, use google search to find similar studies down with OKCupid.



You're not stupid. Feigning ignorance doesn't suit you. smile

I brought you to the water, it's up to you to drink.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Just let them read alt-right ideas, women won't go near them.
It depends on what you mean when you say alt-right.

If you actually mean alt-right, then I'd agree with you for the most part. There are alt-right women, so essentially they'd be stuck with a much much much smaller pool of women with the vast majority of women outright rejecting them.

If you're mistakenly referring to the ideas of someone like myself, or Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder as alt-right, well, let's just say my current romantic interest shares my views and watches all three of them.

mike brown
I honestly feel like getting involved with any sort of political ideology (other than the specifically male groups like mra/mgtow/etc) is a great in-road to meet passionate (if somewhat brainwashed) women. Even ISIS has female recruits ffs.

Chuck_Schumer
So are a quarter of Americans simply haven't had casual sex in a year? That's not a big deal.

If 25% of young Americans were virgins, now that would be a problem.

You guys simply have to work harder.

gold slorg
Originally posted by mike brown
I honestly feel like getting involved with any sort of political ideology (other than the specifically male groups like mra/mgtow/etc) is a great in-road to meet passionate (if somewhat brainwashed) women. Even ISIS has female recruits ffs.

honestly this is entirely correct lol

i'm a leftist activist irl and dude the amount of women in there is insane smile

dadudemon
Originally posted by gold slorg
honestly this is entirely correct lol

i'm a leftist activist irl and dude the amount of women in there is insane smile

https://i.imgur.com/H7eetNJ.gif

BrolyBlack

Surtur
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It depends on what you mean when you say alt-right.

If you actually mean alt-right, then I'd agree with you for the most part. There are alt-right women, so essentially they'd be stuck with a much much much smaller pool of women with the vast majority of women outright rejecting them.

If you're mistakenly referring to the ideas of someone like myself, or Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder as alt-right, well, let's just say my current romantic interest shares my views and watches all three of them.

You already are 100% aware of what he means by "alt right" lol.

dadudemon

BrolyBlack
If you are a 10 what are the chances you get with a 10 female then, do you know those numbers?

Based on these numbers is it 10% I bet it could even be lower.

So if only 5-10% of the 10's that are females would like a male that would be considered a 10. Who is getting the 10's that are females then?

This is fascinating to say the least.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^This reeks of bro-sociology, tho

That is because it is one of the fundamental beliefs of incels.

Robtard
I've seen plenty of physically average (or below) men get hot women; women that most people would say "are above their belt", all of them had two things in common, confidence in themselves and lacked the creep factor (incel factor in today's parlance?)

Eon Blue
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
The topic is involuntary celibacy. (Involuntary is when you have no choice. JFC)





really?

Elaborate?

Robtard
https://media0.giphy.com/media/9VrsRNeA0SHcEeos1h/source.gif

mike brown
is it not possible that maybe online dating apps aren't the best reflection of irl dating?

I mean women still have more selection power irl but the gender ratios on apps like tinder probably magnify that dynamic quite a bit.

Robtard
I'd probably take Tinder data with a grain of salt when comparing it to relationships. After all, Tinder is catered to the one night stand crowd (unless this has changed?), which likely means people are either being far pickier or far more loose with their choices compared to potential long term relationships.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by mike brown
is it not possible that maybe online dating apps aren't the best reflection of irl dating?

I mean women still have more selection power irl but the gender ratios on apps like tinder probably magnify that dynamic quite a bit. thumb up exactly, you're going to get more of the broken, golddiggers etc. on apps obviously.

BrolyBlack
I had a girl once that wanted a diamond bracelet on the first date. I laughed my ass off and went on my way.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I had a girl once that wanted a diamond bracelet on the first date. I laughed my ass off and went on my way. That type will always be around; they are far more likely online. Same goes for ****ed up guys. I've used Tinder a lot for hookups, on reflection probably on reflection not sensible behaviour, but a lot of fun.

Bashar Teg
it's also about where you're looking and who you attract/are attracted to.

like when women are like "omg i'm so sick of dating douchebags", never understanding that she meets guys where douchebags hang out and is in many cases exclusively attracted to douchebags.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it's also about where you're looking and who you attract/are attracted to.

like when women are like "omg i'm so sick of dating douchebags", never understanding that she meets guys where douchebags hang out and is in many cases exclusively attracted to douchebags. Absolutely.

Bashar Teg
i mean douchebags are people too. the core of my point was that many people lack personal honesty about what they really want, and so end up with the wrong people; or worse yet, they end up with the right people and avoid taking a chance because they allowed their opinion structure get in the way of what they really want

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i mean douchebags are people too. the core of my point was that many people lack personal honesty about what they really want, and so end up with the wrong people; or worse yet, they end up with the right people and avoid taking a chance because they allowed their opinions get in the way of what they really want No, I agree totally.

Bashar Teg
i know, i just left my point incomplete and didn't want others to interpret it as another 'nice guy' rant, blaming the 'chads'

Emperordmb
Well there probably is some degree of truth to some of the points, but IMO it all depends on the kinds of conclusions people draw from it or how much certain trends get latched onto as some sort of ideological dogmatic rule that serves as a prism the world gets viewed through.

Emperordmb
It also might depend on what approach or women guys are trying to get themselves involved with.

Like the studies that give the most credence to the incel, or nice guy point of view relate to the sexual selectivity of women on apps like Tindr...

Like what does that say about the women or the men? Is this a biased sample of women who would on average be looking for more of a cheap thrill? Are some of these guys putting themselves in this position by looking more for a cheap thrill then a genuine relationship?

Robtard
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It depends on what you mean when you say alt-right.

If you actually mean alt-right, then I'd agree with you for the most part. There are alt-right women, so essentially they'd be stuck with a much much much smaller pool of women with the vast majority of women outright rejecting them.

If you're mistakenly referring to the ideas of someone like myself, or Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, or Steven Crowder as alt-right, well, let's just say my current romantic interest shares my views and watches all three of them.

Who is the lucky guy?

dadudemon
Originally posted by mike brown
is it not possible that maybe online dating apps aren't the best reflection of irl dating?

I mean women still have more selection power irl but the gender ratios on apps like tinder probably magnify that dynamic quite a bit.

Online dating is real life dating.

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Tindr...

do you honestly believe tindr to be an accurate cross-section of people looking for relationships?

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
do you honestly believe tindr to be an accurate cross-section of people looking for relationships?
No... that was the entire point of my post was that it isn't an accurate cross section.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Robtard
Who is the lucky guy?
It's actually a woman whose 2 years older than me.

Bashar Teg
my bad then. seemed you were alluding to the possibility here:

Originally posted by Emperordmb

Like what does that say about the women or the men? Is this a biased sample of women who would on average be looking for more of a cheap thrill? Are some of these guys putting themselves in this position by looking more for a cheap thrill then a genuine relationship?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd probably take Tinder data with a grain of salt when comparing it to relationships. After all, Tinder is catered to the one night stand crowd (unless this has changed?), which likely means people are either being far pickier or far more loose with their choices compared to potential long term relationships.

The opposite is true. Tinder leads to long term relationships more often than the "offline" peers:




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/style/tinder-relationship-dating-study.html



So first I shit on Tinder and now I build it back up. I guess that makes us even?



If any of you old farts want to know more about modern dating, let me know. thumb up

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
my bad then. seemed you were alluding to the possibility here:
I meant to imply that it's an obviously biased sample.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^This reeks of bro-sociology, tho Originally posted by Putinbot1
Yes it does, that aside though it's talking about the topic as intended, whether you or I agree with the psychology, which we don't.

What do you guys mean bro-sociology? Women are hypergamous. They almost exclusively date up and across. The average woman is far more likely to believe she can shoot for higher up the ladder than the average men. You can find evidence from multiple sources that are becoming increasingly apparent (Online dating data from Tinder/PoF, data and interviews from college campuses particularly in recent years as desirable women outnumber desirable men, and in the mating behaviour of homo sapiens).

It is even more pronounced on online dating (People can choose to ignore it, but in reality, SM and Online Dating are growing extensively), because the SMV of individuals is reduced to the most of basic traits such as attractiveness, visible immediate monetary success, and social status. On SM a 6 will think she's a 9 tbh, and it's not her fault, a plethora of thirsty dudes over inflate the ego.

This doesn't make women evil any more than a man is a pig for liking a nice pair of ****/ass. We like what we like. If anything it's a GOOD thing on a personal level. As the OP shows, the bar has been so lowered, that you can drown in p*ssy if you have your shit together. On a societal level? Then it comes into question. People are marrying less, divorcing more, men AND women are both unhappier, in particular women (The rate of alcoholism among young women is growing at worrying levels), the rate of single-motherhood has SKYROCKETED to a ridiculous degree, and large number of dudes are retreating from society which is harmful on a economic and a political level (Disenfranchised men are FAR MORE likely to burn the entire system down at a chance of a better life).

Like all things, there is a balance however. Women are driven by status, men are driven by appearance and quantity. This means women are malleable in what attracts them: AKA there aren't any ugly dudes, just broke ones.

But if you're an ugly girl IRL, you're shit out of luck.

Robtard
@ddm

I've never used Tinder and everyone I know who has was for the purpose of a one night stand or a short term f**kbuddy. Everything I've heard/read previously backed this up as well.

dadudemon
Edit - in 2017, the young adults, up to 35, only 30% were not using online dating tools.

It's in the article.


So, yes, Tinder is one cross-section of modern young adults' dating habits that matches (pun intended) in multiple ways to its biggest competitor: OKCupid.

And the racist tendencies were replicated in Tinder's userbase, too.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
@ddm

I've never used Tinder and everyone I know who has was for the purpose of a one night stand or a short term f**kbuddy. Everything I've heard/read previously backed this up as well.

That's okay. You just associate with trashy people. haermm

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Robtard
@ddm

I've never used Tinder and everyone I know who has was for the purpose of a one night stand or a short term f**kbuddy. Everything I've heard/read previously backed this up as well.

most people don't use dating apps. dating apps are a reliable cross-section of the types of people who use dating apps, and nothing more.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
most people don't use dating apps. dating apps are a reliable cross-section of the types of people who use dating apps, and nothing more. Exactly people like me when single.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by BackFire
Unless you are extremely good looking, successful or have a great and charming natural personality (like I do), it can take a lot of work and effort to get to a point where you are comfortable talking to women, and usually, this also goes with many failures. It can be a scary thing if you're not used to it, no one likes failure, but you have to just push on and keep trying, like anything.

I 1000% agree. I also think we have created an environment that significantly extends the adolescent period, and can significantly deter the natural masculine tendencies of young men.

Unfortunately, being able to approach women, having the confidence to take control of a room, and just having the natural qualities of confidence that women enjoy, are incongruent with a system that doesn't reward competition imo.

Originally posted by BackFire
I think the biggest problem is that a lot of these people don't really want to put out the effort to learn or improve themselves in any meaningful way. It's easier for them to just sit there and vaguely blame women for not flocking to them for being "nice guys" while they sit behind their keyboards eating Cheetos than it is to actually go out and talk to women, get rejected, learn from that rejection, and talk to others until you find one you mesh with. People are used to instant gratification in today's world, and a good woman will not give you instant gratification. It's ironic because we now live in a world of Tinder/Bumble and other free services that will essentially match you up with a date without even leaving your house, but like in real life, on these, it takes a great deal of effort and time, and honestly a little luck.

Yes, I agree, too many weak, lazy, men, that choose to blame women for their lack of success. Women are a great filter for whether or not you have your shit together. It's a built-in progress meter for men in life. Not saying that women should be the goal. Self-actualization should be, but once you reach a certain level, women will flock to you.

It's true, some dudes are SOL, but that's fine. More incentive to get rich. Women are malleable and are less interested in physical appearance for a long-term commitment.

Tinder and Bumble isn't for Betas. It's literally a waste of time unless you are a very high-status male. For my age group (18-25), you need to get down to a low BF, and exude exciting qualities in 5 photos before ever bothering. For some, it's either a HUGE confidence booster or a road to depression.

Originally posted by BackFire
I think your last point is too simplistic and doesn't give women enough credit. They are no different than men, they want the best they can get. The key is to make a woman think you are that, even if by most metrics, you are not. If you act confident and successful, and are able to make her laugh, that's 90% of what you need to do in order to get your foot in the door. Honestly, I find women to be much less superficial than men when it comes to who they date. I see extremely attractive and beautiful women with guys who are overweight, short, bald, or just overall not very good looking, which should be great news for these guys who can't get laid. It means the problem probably isn't their looks, but their personality or the effort they are willing to put out, or their cowardice.

It was a very broad generalization but I wasn't attempting to blame women. I agree that women's tastes can be malleable.

I think a big issue is that men still believe in unconditional love and want a romantic relationship that reflects the affection they received from their mother. They also put women on a ridiculously inhumane pedestal for today's society. And they get angry when they turn out to be...human.

Robtard
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's okay. You just associate with trashy people. haermm

Some, sure. But I also don't think having one night stands or a f**kbuddy is trashy, as long as you're either single or in an open relationship where it's agreed upon. It's just sex, nothing wrong with that if both parties know what they're getting into.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Robtard
@ddm

I've never used Tinder and everyone I know who has was for the purpose of a one night stand or a short term f**kbuddy. Everything I've heard/read previously backed this up as well.

'Tis true, Tinder is for hoes. I've deleted SM for exam season except Tinder. It's a business-development pipeline for the summer and a booty uber-eats while I'm locked in my house studying.

But the logic you're applying fits the general dating pool as a whole. Most single people....are single for a reason. Some are just hard-working and have been career focused, but very often, it's a cesspool because the good ones are generally in long-term commitments.

mike brown
Originally posted by dadudemon
Online dating is real life dating. you know what I mean, don't be pedantic.Originally posted by dadudemon
The opposite is true. Tinder leads to long term relationships more often than the "offline" peers:




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/style/tinder-relationship-dating-study.html



So first I shit on Tinder and now I build it back up. I guess that makes us even?



If any of you old farts want to know more about modern dating, let me know. thumb up Fair enough but what if the gender ratios on those sorts of sites give women more leverage thus making them more picky. Basically, tinder = China.

Robtard
Wouldn't surprise me if the ratio of men to women on Tinder was 4 to 1. Does anyone have actual data on this? Though I do wonder how reliable that is if it comes from Tinder. IIRC, Ashley Madison (site catered to married but looking people) lied about their male/female member ratio to keep men signing up. Turned out there were far fewer women on the sight than advertised.

Emperordmb
Ashley Madison is a pure example of corporate degeneracy.

mike brown
I wish I had the morals to not find a wedding ring to be a turn on.

mike brown
Google searches I'm doing saying tinder is actually pretty balanced gender wise but men send more requests so it just seems like women have more options

Bashar Teg
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Exactly people like me when single.

haha but i said "types", and there are many types i'm sure. lots of people are looking for all sorts of things on tinder from booty call to marriage i'm sure. i wasn't attempting to mass-classify internet daters as anything but internet daters thumb up

Emperordmb
Was just watching a Jordan Peterson video where he's talking about the Lion King where this comes up.

"This female he admires wants nothing to do with him, and so first of all he thinks 'well maybe I'll hate all women' which is, you know, a pretty pathetic conclusion but a very common one, and the next is, well maybe there's actually something wrong with him, which is a very painful bit of self-reflection."

Never understand people who call Peterson the incel king.

dadudemon
Originally posted by mike brown
you know what I mean, don't be pedantic. Fair enough but what if the gender ratios on those sorts of sites give women more leverage thus making them more picky. Basically, tinder = China.

It's not pedantic if a majority of young adults (70%) use online dating apps to actually date, though.

Pedantic would be stating that a majority of young adults use online dating apps and the number is 52%.

Look at what I just did: I was pedantic about the word pedantic. hmm






Originally posted by Bashar Teg
most people don't use dating apps. dating apps are a reliable cross-section of the types of people who use dating apps, and nothing more.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - in 2017, the young adults, up to 35, only 30% were not using online dating tools.

It's in the article.


So, yes, Tinder is one cross-section of modern young adults' dating habits that matches (pun intended) in multiple ways to its biggest competitor: OKCupid.

And the racist tendencies were replicated in Tinder's userbase, too.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not pedantic if a majority of young adults (70%) use online dating apps to actually date, though.

Pedantic would be stating that a majority of young adults use online dating apps and the number is 52%.

Look at what I just did: I was pedantic about the word pedantic. hmm Where are you getting these figures from mate?

Bashar Teg
the actual figure probably represents all single people who have tried it. i tried it briefly years ago and decided it wasn't for me, but i'm sure i'm included in the false equation. maybe a few million spam-bots and scammers as well

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Was just watching a Jordan Peterson video where he's talking about the Lion King where this comes up.

"This female he admires wants nothing to do with him, and so first of all he thinks 'well maybe I'll hate all women' which is, you know, a pretty pathetic conclusion but a very common one, and the next is, well maybe there's actually something wrong with him, which is a very painful bit of self-reflection."

Never understand people who call Peterson the incel king.

Anyone who calls JP a propagator of incels is lazy and intellectually dishonest. His entire philosophy of taking responsibility and self-reflection is directly opposed to the incel mindset. The incel philosophy at its core refuses self-reflection. It's men wallowing in self-pity. That's why people find incels so repulsive imo: The antithesis of masculinity.

It IS TRUE that his philosophy would probably reach out to incels on a wide range but that is precisely because they need his type of message the most. It's amazing what some self-reflection and personal responsibility can do for people.

As I get older, and learn more history and about people, I've come to believe that human beings are beasts of burden that need a purpose/guidance, and there's probably a direction correlation between that need and institutions of religions. Especially men.

mike brown
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's not pedantic if a majority of young adults (70%) use online dating apps to actually date, though.

Pedantic would be stating that a majority of young adults use online dating apps and the number is 52%.

Look at what I just did: I was pedantic about the word pedantic. hmm I get your point, but you know as well as I do that I meant that approaching a girl via tinder vs walking up to an actual girl don't necessarily yield the same rate of success. I always wonder if part of the problem is all this social media shit is stunting basic social skills.

Trocity
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the topic is not 'incels', which is a butthurt belief structure that hates women. good luck with the derailment attempt though thumb up

Wow, triggered.

The obsession is most curious, though.

Isn't he like... old and shit?

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Robtard
https://media0.giphy.com/media/9VrsRNeA0SHcEeos1h/source.gif

Gordon Ramsay is sexy.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the actual figure probably represents all single people who have tried it. i tried it briefly years ago and decided it wasn't for me, but i'm sure i'm included in the false equation. maybe a few million spam-bots and scammers as well

Nothing can explain this level of laziness except you had a bad time with online dating. kitty

The details are in the article and you can also google this topic and see similar studies. It's not new information. smile


Originally posted by mike brown
I get your point, but you know as well as I do that I meant that approaching a girl via tinder vs walking up to an actual girl don't necessarily yield the same rate of success. I always wonder if part of the problem is all this social media shit is stunting basic social skills.


I don't know. I think I see a much higher number online than I do in real life? Much higher number of "known" likes, for sure. In real life, girls won't just straight up tell you that they like you or find you attractive unless you get to know them a bit. Online, they tell you even if you're not aware of them.

In person, I've usually checked to make sure they were single, first. And not crazy. Real life is much easier to find a date or a number/snapchat ID. Because I've put in a bit of leg work to make sure I'm not wasting my time. In real life, I've been turned down twice. Online? Probably dozens of times.

It's a numbers game, I think. But online, you have to look good to see success. Catfishing will land you a date, maybe, but you'll be a rockstar of one-hit dating.

Lestov16
Nah. I'm celibate, but it's voluntary. I'm well aware that my sedentary lifestyle is impeding my erotic expression, but I'm good with it. All I have to do is bust one nut a day and I'm good all the way.

mike brown
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nothing can explain this level of laziness except you had a bad time with online dating. kitty

The details are in the article and you can also google this topic and see similar studies. It's not new information. smile





I don't know. I think I see a much higher number online than I do in real life? Much higher number of "known" likes, for sure. In real life, girls won't just straight up tell you that they like you or find you attractive unless you get to know them a bit. Online, they tell you even if you're not aware of them.

In person, I've usually checked to make sure they were single, first. And not crazy. Real life is much easier to find a date or a number/snapchat ID. Because I've put in a bit of leg work to make sure I'm not wasting my time. In real life, I've been turned down twice. Online? Probably dozens of times.

It's a numbers game, I think. But online, you have to look good to see success. Catfishing will land you a date, maybe, but you'll be a rockstar of one-hit dating. Yeah and also all the girls I know who use tinder say that the number of messages and requests they get is so high it's hard to even weed through... Which means they have more options which means more men will be rejected.

dadudemon
Originally posted by mike brown
Yeah and also all the girls I know who use tinder say that the number of messages and requests they get is so high it's hard to even weed through... Which means they have more options which means more men will be rejected.

The only way that can happen is if they are liking a ton of guys. You can't go to DMs unless you like them back.

It's their own fault they are getting flooded with messages.

Putinbot1
So why are a quater of Americans involuntarily celibate?

Robtard
There's been studies showing that Millennials and Gen Y are having less sex on average than Gen X and prior.

mike brown
Originally posted by dadudemon
The only way that can happen is if they are liking a ton of guys. You can't go to DMs unless you like them back.

It's their own fault they are getting flooded with messages. I haven't used it so I'm going on hear say... But apparently guys are quicker to send messages than girls or something

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
There's been studies showing that Millennials and Gen Y are having less sex on average than Gen X and prior. I suspect this is the real reason. They don't know how to talk, led alone love.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Putinbot1
So why are a quater of Americans involuntarily celibate? Because uplifting women was a mistake. thumb up

Robtard
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I suspect this is the real reason. They don't know how to talk, led alone love.

Put down your phone, get off the social media, stop listening to whatever edgelord youtube ranter and try talking to a real person, ffs. Kids, I tell you.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
Put down your phone, get off the social media, stop listening to whatever edgelord youtube ranter and try talking to a real person, ffs. Kids, I tell you. i think it's half that and half this weird anti women ideology the boys have.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by Putinbot1
i think it's half that and half this weird anti women ideology the boys have.

Says the guy who can't keep a woman? You do realize your lack of being able to hold marriage water down's your "I am all that is man" ego you have. Just because you think you are Rico Swave with some women doesn't mean they all desire you. If you got on Tinder, you probably would do just as bad as any other guy on there, probably worse since you are really old.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Says the guy who can't keep a woman? You do realize your lack of being able to hold marriage water down's your "I am all that is man" ego you have. Just because you think you are Rico Swave with some women doesn't mean they all desire you. If you got on Tinder, you probably would do just as bad as any other guy on there, probably worse since you are really old. Um, I get your pain... I've been on Tinder shit loads and do very well, pictures of yourself in exotic places work wonders. My 8000 dollar watch and, 4x4 help too.

BrolyBlack
Im not on Tinder, so I don't have any pain.

Robtard
Originally posted by Putinbot1
i think it's half that and half this weird anti women ideology the boys have.

Which probably stems from mommy issues...

BrolyBlack
Like you have? Which is why you need so much attention, which is why you can't stop coming here looking for attention

dadudemon
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Um, I get your pain... I've been on Tinder shit loads and do very well, pictures of yourself in exotic places work wonders. My 8000 dollar watch and, 4x4 help too.

Thanks for the tip. smile

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
Which probably stems from mommy issues... Yup, it's a sad thing to see.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Which probably stems from mommy issues...

I understand this anti-incel think you're talking about with Whirly but this quarter of Americans thing also includes women.

So how do you reconcile women and men in this problem?

I still think it's related to social media. People need more free time.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks for the tip. smile Freely given, A couple of pics in different locations where you have clearly cut the ex out also removes the idea you are a weirdo.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by dadudemon
I understand this anti-incel think you're talking about with Whirly but this quarter of Americans thing also includes women.

So how do you reconcile women and men in this problem?

I still think it's related to social media. People need more free time. I suspect its 3/16ths male to 1/16 female and the females are a combination of the broken, sad and crazy.

BrolyBlack
What would you call an old man who constantly obsessed about young men who are not getting laid?

Robtard
Originally posted by dadudemon
I understand this anti-incel think you're talking about with Whirly but this quarter of Americans thing also includes women.

So how do you reconcile women and men in this problem?

I still think it's related to social media. People need more free time.

Yeah, went a bit off the track there, my bad.

I'd be interested to see the age demographics at play here, age ranges and male/female ratio. Because as noted, Millennial and Gen Y are f**king less than Gen X and below on average, which could account for a chunk of the 1/4 of Americans not having sex at all.

I'd be shocked if social media didn't play a factor as well.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, went a bit off the track there, my bad.

I'd be interested to see the age demographics at play here, age ranges and male/female ratio. Because as noted, Millennial and Gen Y are f**king less than Gen X and below on average, which could account for a chunk of the 1/4 of Americans not having sex at all.

I'd be shocked if social media didn't play a factor as well. They slso don't produce kids, whichnis weird it's like being on facebook takes priority.

Emperordmb
Again though Putinbot, there's a line between criticizing feminism, and embracing the incel/mgtow ideology.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Again though Putinbot, there's a line between criticizing feminism, and embracing the incel/mgtow ideology. Thing is, feminism really isn't a big issue to most women.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Thing is, feminism really isn't a big issue to most women.
Exactly.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Exactly. Or most men, I've never discussed it with another guy offline.

Robtard
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Again though Putinbot, there's a line between criticizing feminism, and embracing the incel/mgtow ideology.

Legit criticism, no. There's very little of that though. Usually it's some retard regurgitating retarded talking points.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
Legit criticism, no. There's very little of that though. Usually it's some retard regurgitating retarded talking points. thumb up Exactly.

Emperordmb
Okay regardless of whether or not you agree with the points against feminism of someone like Sargon, Jordan Peterson, or Ben Shapiro, the points all of them make in regards to feminism amount to criticism of identity politics, the feminist narratives like the wage gap, etc. rather some statement that women are these evil manipulative sirens who just want to destroy men.

All of them have criticized the incel ideology and said a lot of the same things that have been said in this thread about incels how they need to take responsibility for their own lives.

I'm not saying you have to agree with the criticisms of feminism along these lines, but at least be intellectually honest enough to recognize the difference between that perspective and the incel perspective.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Okay regardless of whether or not you agree with the points against feminism of someone like Sargon, Jordan Peterson, or Ben Shapiro, the points all of them make in regards to feminism amount to criticism of identity politics, the feminist narratives like the wage gap, etc. rather some statement that women are these evil manipulative sirens who just want to destroy men.

All of them have criticized the incel ideology and said a lot of the same things that have been said in this thread about incels how they need to take responsibility for their own lives.

I'm not saying you have to agree with the criticisms of feminism along these lines, but at least be intellectually honest enough to recognize the difference between that perspective and the incel perspective. To be honest gender and Identity politics hardly factor into my social worries. Mine are more like what are Boko Haram doing, how many people have been kidnapped this week and where. How will Brexit affect jobs for people in the UK and the UK economy, where is Ebola right now and what is being done to prevent it's spread etc.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What would you call an old man who constantly obsessed about young men who are not getting laid?

TempAccount
Originally posted by Putinbot1
To be honest gender and Identity politics hardly factor into my social worries. Mine are more like what are Boko Haram doing, how many people have been kidnapped this week and where. How will Brexit affect jobs for people in the UK and the UK economy, where is Ebola right now and what is being done to prevent it's spread etc. For real man. Boko Haram gives Toyota both a good and bad name. All you arabs and Africans keep buying the 4runners and landcruisers in the states to ship them off into terrorist hands.

Hell, I can't even get my hands on a '99 4runner with 300k miles with frame rot for less than $1000 because of the importers. Hadayum.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by TempAccount
For real man. Boko Haram gives Toyota both a good and bad name. All you arabs and Africans keep buying the 4runners and landcruisers in the states to ship them off into terrorist hands.

Hell, I can't even get my hands on a '99 4runner with 300k miles with frame rot for less than $1000 because of the importers. Hadayum. I have have Toyota Landcruiser, last years model to use at the moment. Top spec, is nice.

BrolyBlack

Putinbot1

Robtard
Originally posted by TempAccount
For real man. Boko Haram gives Toyota both a good and bad name. All you arabs and Africans keep buying the 4runners and landcruisers in the states to ship them off into terrorist hands.

Hell, I can't even get my hands on a '99 4runner with 300k miles with frame rot for less than $1000 because of the importers. Hadayum.

Terrorist groups use mostly the industrial Toyota pickup 'Hilux", what we can't get here, we get it's softer footed cousin the Tacoma.

Landcruisers (as we know them here) are popular in the Middle East and some parts of Africa, but it's not really the go-to ride for terrorist, as it's a luxury vehicle. The Landcruiser they use are the industrial 70 series (and prior models), I would love one of these but they're nigh impossible to find here and when you do, the prices are insane.

I've not heard of the 4Runner being a Middle East or Africa vehicle. I do love 4Runners and they do hold their value extremely well here.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
Terrorist groups use mostly the industrial Toyota pickup 'Hilux", what we can't get here, we get it's softer footed cousin the Tacoma.

Landcruisers (as we know them here) are popular in the Middle East and some parts of Africa, but it's not really the go-to ride for terrorist, as it's a luxury vehicle. The Landcruiser they use are the industrial 70 series (and prior models), I would love one of these but they're nigh impossible to find here and when you do, the prices are insane.

I've not heard of the 4Runner being a Middle East or Africa vehicle. I do love 4Runners and they do hold their value extremely well here. Sometimes my driver gets access to the Mercedes wagon. It's rare, but I love that.

Robtard
Your Landcruiser, is it a 70 series workhorse or the fancy luxury cruiser we get here in the states?

I love the older G Wagens when they were more spartan/work horse. Not really a fan of the newer bling-bling ones. But I'm sure yours in very nice to ride in.

Putinbot1
I'm not sure will look tomorrow. It's not actually mine it's the car allocated me. It's last years model and goes full off road. I know it's the top spec, it was a Senators car last year.

Robtard
It's probably the luxury version then and not the work series. Still a very lovely car, but I'm partial to utilitarian vehicles.

Putinbot1
Originally posted by Robtard
It's probably the luxury version then and not the work series. Still a very lovely car, but I'm partial to utilitarian vehicles.

Yeah, I had a rangey in cairo, it was the dogs nuts tbh.

Robtard
Older Rovers and especially Range Rover Defenders fetch crazy prices here as they were grey market imports. Great cars. The Defender is said to be available to the US in 2019/2020, hopefully it's still a workhorse and not some pansy douche cruiser.

Putinbot1
I had a top spec 2012 which was semi armoured. It had the anti-bomb plate and the inserts in the door panels etc. as well as the toughened glass. It was a beast.

mike brown
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I suspect its 3/16ths male to 1/16 female and the females are a combination of the broken, sad and crazy. from your article:

panthergod
There a Chinese proverb iirc that says if 30 % of your young men aren't married you get a revolution. Welp. I'll sit back and enjoy the decline of the decadent corrupt West, myself. Lmaooo

Robtard
Nah, American young men are too busy ranting on social media about whatever talking point they gleaned off youtube to actually take to the streets and revolt.

India and China though, that's a different story. Bloodshed's coming.

quanchi112
Jelly, quit being so dramatic in your own little hatred filled world.

mike brown
Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, American young men are too busy ranting on social media about whatever talking point they gleaned off youtube to actually take to the streets and revolt.

India and China though, that's a different story. Bloodshed's coming. Wouldn't be so sure tbh... Political instability is definitely trending in this country.

But lol @ it being a Chinese proverb given the massive gender imbalance in China

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, American young men are too busy ranting on social media about whatever talking point they gleaned off youtube to actually take to the streets and revolt.

India and China though, that's a different story. Bloodshed's coming.

Don't dismiss his point. It would be silly to do so.

A large percentage of a society's male population being disenfranchised is it's death throes. It is RIPE for a charismatic, but malevolent individual, who promises a better life, to assert power.

I know it's 2019, but let's be clear, revolutions/wars and every other conflict in human history are started and ended by young (Unfortunately disposable) men motivated for a cause.

People worry about Trump but he's a complete idiot. The worry is someone as intelligent and charismatic as Dr. Jordan Peterson (To be clear, I think Peterson is great at what he does and clearly has no malevolent intent) but with much more malevolent intent that twists personal responsibility into fealty.

Good times and weak men etc. etc.

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