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Round 1: Fight on Titan
Hela & Kurse

Vs

Thanos w/ Sword, Cull Obsidian, Proxina Midnight, Ebony Maw & Corvus Glaive


Round 2: Fight on Asgard
Thanos flys his ship to Asgard for invasion. He has his full army as he did at end of Endgame (Black Order included).

Hela is there to defend Asgard. She has her army of dead Asgardians, Fenris Wolf & Kurse.


Who wins?

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Round 1: Fight on Titan
Hela & Kurse

Vs

Thanos w/ Sword, Cull Obsidian, Proxina Midnight, Ebony Maw & Corvus Glaive


Round 2: Fight on Asgard
Thanos flys his ship to Asgard for invasion. He has his full army as he did at end of Endgame (Black Order included).

Hela is there to defend Asgard. She has her army of dead Asgardians, Fenris Wolf & Kurse.


Who wins?

1. Thanos Solos
2. Asgard

Depends on from which point we take Hela.

If we're talking about Hela from her fight with Surter, she stomps in both scenario's, by herself. HARD.

Thanos wins both

Lmao @ Thanos soloing both Hela and Kurse.

The guy cant even take Scarlet Witch.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lmao @ Thanos soloing both Hela and Kurse.

The guy cant even take Scarlet Witch.

Hela isn't on Asgard. Lol, Kurse is no match for the Mad Titan.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hela isn't on Asgard. Lol, Kurse is no match for the Mad Titan.


Dont be a fanboy. Give proper arguments.

Hela caught and crushed Mjolnir, and Kurse swatted it aside. Hela alone can take Thanos, with Kurse however it would be a stomp.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dont be a fanboy. Give proper arguments.

Hela caught and crushed Mjolnir, and Kurse swatted it aside. Hela alone can take Thanos, with Kurse however it would be a stomp.

Kurse has no feat to match Thanos. Deflecting Mjolnir isn't lifting it!
Mjolnir's enchantment is meant to prevent others from using it not to make it unstoppable or not deflectable.

As far as we are concerned Thanos could do just the same.

You know my position when Hela's-Mjolnir feat is concerned.

Besides, Hela had a decent fight with Thor whilst on Asgard. Outside it the Titan will get the best of her.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Kurse has no feat to match Thanos. Deflecting Mjolnir isn't lifting it!



Im not saying Kurse would take Thanos. But he is a power house. Greater than Mjolnir Thor. Swatting Mjolnir is no small feat. Puts him well above Mjolnir Thor and Hulk.

But against Both Hela AND Kurse, Thanos stands no chance.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im not saying Kurse would take Thanos. But he is a power house. Greater than Mjolnir Thor. Swatting Mjolnir is no small feat. Puts him well above Mjolnir Thor and Hulk.

But against Both Hela AND Kurse, Thanos stands no chance. and Thanos' kids are just standing there doing nothing?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im not saying Kurse would take Thanos. But he is a power house. Greater than Mjolnir Thor. Swatting Mjolnir is no small feat. Puts him well above Mjolnir Thor and Hulk.

But against Both Hela AND Kurse, Thanos stands no chance.

Kurse deflected a returning Mjolnir.

Either way, Kurse has no chance against Thanos, much less against Thanos with the Vibranium killer sword. He will get butchered in no time.

Hela is the only challenge here. But her feats outside Asgard are limited.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dont be a fanboy. Give proper arguments.

Hela caught and crushed Mjolnir, and Kurse swatted it aside. Hela alone can take Thanos, with Kurse however it would be a stomp.

More proof that we use only a character's highest showings (Hela Mjolnir crush).


Anyway, Thanos has his sword, in which he could swing pretty damn fast and it can cut through Cap's shield. He has a good chance of lopping some limbs off either character.


Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lmao @ Thanos soloing both Hela and Kurse.

The guy cant even take Scarlet Witch.

Wanda is powerful. She can shred shit more durable than Cap's shield. Also She can destroy an infinity stone. That got to mean something.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It is, considering that Hela hasn't shown such levels of strength in her fights.



Of course she has. She easily overpowered Thor in their fights. So nothing contradicts it.



Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Again, the Mjolnir feat is questionable in terms of raw strength.

Lol what?

She caught it, and crushed it. Whats to question?

Originally posted by h1a8
More proof that we use only a character's highest showings (Hela Mjolnir


More proof what?

Its an ON SCREEN FEAT.

On top we have DIRECT COMPARISONS of how the other combatants in question dealt with that sane weapon.

So Why would we not use it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
More proof what?

Its an ON SCREEN FEAT.

On top we have DIRECT COMPARISONS of how the other combatants in question dealt with that sane weapon.

So Why would we not use it?
We should use it.

Im reference evidence (for others) that we always use only a character's highest showings. I never disagreed with anything you said or the way WE as a forum debate. It's just some members disagree that we do such things and therefore feel free to lowball DC characters by referencing lower showings that contradict higher ones.

Only threats here for Hela and co. are the big bad himself and Ebony Maw. Hela turns literally everyone and everything else into a pin cushion. I don't see Maw taking down Hela before she jabs a sword into one of his vital areas, and then she stabs Thanos as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
We should use it.

Im reference evidence (for others) that we always use only a character's highest showings. I never disagreed with anything you said or the way WE as a forum debate. It's just some members disagree that we do such things and therefore feel free to lowball DC characters by referencing lower showings that contradict higher ones.



Everyone uses highest feats. But we dont disregard the norm or fighting in character. Or the type of feat that was displayed.

Like when Wonder Woman cant beat Steppenwolf in multiple fights, we cant just pretend she will speed blitz him (or similar strength/speed characters) in a forum fight due to a completely different feat.

Also Thor can take the full force of a Star, and impale Thanos from a distance, but that doesnt change the fact that Hulk can also beat on him in H2H.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Everyone uses highest feats. But we dont disregard the norm or fighting in character. Or the type of feat that was displayed.

Like when Wonder Woman cant beat Steppenwolf in multiple fights, we cant just pretend she will speed blitz him (or similar strength/speed characters) in a forum fight due to a completely different feat.

Also Thor can take the full force of a Star, and impale Thanos from a distance, but that doesnt change the fact that Hulk can also beat on him in H2H.

Of course we disregard the norm by merely ONLY mentioning the highest feats. Think about it. If the only thing that comes out of your mouth is highest feats (no low showings) then that's what you are solely using.


Its certainly not Hela's norm to crush Mjolnir. All her other showings are far beneath that.

WW has blocked more bullets than actually being hit by a character.
Its a norm for her to be a bullet timer. Anything else is rare.


The star feat was a heat resistance feat and has nothing to do blunt force.

Even if it wasnt, then why mention Hulk beating on Thor? Either that would render the star feat void or you can scale Hulk to the star feat. Which is it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course she has. She easily overpowered Thor in their fights. So nothing contradicts it.





Lol what?

She caught it, and crushed it. Whats to question?

Thor endured her for a while, something he would have never been able to do should she be that strong.

Crushing Mjolnir would require strengths at least 40x stronger than the Leviathan punch from Hulk. Thor would have no chance against a punch from Hela.

I am not going to bring my BZ here, so let's just agree to disagree with the feat.

Either way, Hela outside Asgard has no fighting scenes, so, given that a hammerless and not-powered Thor manage to hold her for a while, then Thanos would outpower her outside Asgard.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor endured her for a while, something he would have never been able to do should she be that strong.


Thats conjecture from an inconsistency only you claim exists.


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Crushing Mjolnir would require strengths at least 40x stronger than the Leviathan punch from Hulk. Thor would have no chance against a punch from Hela.


Its not like a punch from Hulk has ever KOd him. Hes taken multiple punches and a full on pounding to the ground from Hulk without being KOd.

Yet still its clear he was no match for Hela. So you're just trying to make an inconsistency here where there isn't one, because you don't like the feat.

But again, what does it matter Even if it IS an Inconsistency, given she did Crush Mjolnir. And that was a big event that you can't just decide to retcon.



Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I am not going to bring my BZ here, so let's just agree to disagree with the feat.


It doesn't matter what BZ you have going on. This is relevant to this debate, and you can't just make stuff up because you don't like it.

What is it you're claiming anyway?


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Either way, Hela outside Asgard has no fighting scenes, so, given that a hammerless and not-powered Thor manage to hold her for a while, then Thanos would outpower her outside Asgard.


She does have a fighting scene. She crushed Mjolnir.

Thor is also stronger in Asgard, so no idea what you're trying to say here.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course we disregard the norm by merely ONLY mentioning the highest feats. Think about it. If the only thing that comes out of your mouth is highest feats (no low showings) then that's what you are solely using.


Of course if we are comparing 2 characters we will compare their highest feats Lol. Who the heck is going to compare their lowest feats!


Originally posted by h1a8
Its certainly not Hela's norm to crush Mjolnir. All her other showings are far beneath that.


Well there is only one Mjolnir to crush. So unless there was some other indestructible hammer that she tried to crush, I have no idea what your point is here.

Originally posted by h1a8
WW has blocked more bullets than actually being hit by a character.
Its a norm for her to be a bullet timer. Anything else is rare.


She is a bullet timer. That's never been in question. The question is whether she can speed blitz a superhuman brute on the level of Steppenwolf or Hulk, something she has never done.


Originally posted by h1a8
The star feat was a heat resistance feat and has nothing to do blunt force.


It was clarified as the full force of a star, no matter how much you troll on the subject.

That said, even the full heat of a star has massive amounts of kinetic energy behind it, so even that would be a ridiculous durability feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even if it wasnt, then why mention Hulk beating on Thor? Either that would render the star feat void or you can scale Hulk to the star feat. Which is it?


I never claimed there was a contradiction there. Just that both things happened. Thor doesn't really have LOW durability feats.

The Star Feat is more relevant though, because that showed the upper limits of his durability.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course if we are comparing 2 characters we will compare their highest feats Lol. Who the heck is going to compare their lowest feats!





Well there is only one Mjolnir to crush. So unless there was some other indestructible hammer that she tried to crush, I have no idea what your point is here.




She is a bullet timer. That's never been in question. The question is whether she can speed blitz a superhuman brute on the level of Steppenwolf or Hulk, something she has never done.





It was clarified as the full force of a star, no matter how much you troll on the subject.

That said, even the full heat of a star has massive amounts of kinetic energy behind it, so even that would be a ridiculous durability feat.




I never claimed there was a contradiction there. Just that both things happened. Thor doesn't really have LOW durability feats.

The Star Feat is more relevant though, because that showed the upper limits of his durability.

1. Stop going full retard on me. What are we debating? Geez!
Of course we compare highest feats. That cements my point. We only use highest showings for the characters. No one mentions low showings for their character they are arguing for.

2. People use the Mjolnir feat as a general strength feat. That means this type of strength can be applied to other actions (punching, kicking, etc). But all her other actions displayed strength magnitudes lower than the strength to crush Mjolnir. So if you believe that her crushing Mjolnir with her hand doesn't relate to punching or any other action then why even bring up the feat? It would be irrelevant.

3. I'm not arguing speed blitz but her perception of seeing things in slow-mo (or as statues). It's impossible to tag her if she views something as a statue.
Plus she did blitz to block a shit load of bullets to protect the people. So she definitely has that capability.

4. It was clarified by who? Are you lying here? Stating and clarifying are two different things. I can name multiple things (real life things as well as comic characters) that are hella heat resistant but have shitty durability against blunt force and vice versa. This proves that heat resistance has nothing to do blunt force durability.

5. Thor got nose busted by Hulk with one punch. Thor got bloodied against Kurse and Thanos. Thor was cut and stabbed. These things are magnitudes below "full force of a star", assuming that is a blunt force durability feat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats conjecture from an inconsistency only you claim exists.





Its not like a punch from Hulk has ever KOd him. Hes taken multiple punches and a full on pounding to the ground from Hulk without being KOd.

Yet still its clear he was no match for Hela. So you're just trying to make an inconsistency here where there isn't one, because you don't like the feat.

But again, what does it matter Even if it IS an Inconsistency, given she did Crush Mjolnir. And that was a big event that you can't just decide to retcon.






It doesn't matter what BZ you have going on. This is relevant to this debate, and you can't just make stuff up because you don't like it.

What is it you're claiming anyway?





She does have a fighting scene. She crushed Mjolnir.

Thor is also stronger in Asgard, so no idea what you're trying to say here.

Am not gonna even bother with such a stupidity. Did you even watched Ragnarok!?

A punch from Hela would have dire effects on Thor. I mean, back in Avengers a punch from Hulk would send him flying away several meters.

Thanos solos. Kurse is not skilled and Thanos can definitely take those two on by himself. He showed how easily he could evade Thor and his axe without any weapons. With his sword he would dominate them.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dont be a fanboy. Give proper arguments.

Hela caught and crushed Mjolnir, and Kurse swatted it aside. Hela alone can take Thanos, with Kurse however it would be a stomp.

Originally posted by Stigma
No, she cannot. She was barely able to even hurt Thor. She had her hands full and that is minus a weapon such as his stormbreaker.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1)Am not gonna even bother with such a stupidity. 2)Did you even watched Ragnarok!?

3)A punch from Hela would have dire effects on Thor. I mean, back in Avengers a punch from Hulk would send him flying away several meters.

1) Ha! Ironic coming from you.

2) Urm yeah, Ive seen it many multiple times. Its in my top 3 MCU movies. Why do you ask? You have to make yourself more clear.

3) And how many meters did Thor send Hulk flying with his first hit in their Ragnarok/Sakaar fight?
You see this is just a perceived contradiction in your head. Hela made short work of Thor in their fight. And even in the case of any supposed inconsistencies, The Mjolnir crush is too big an event so can not be ignored or retconned by you.

No TK shown holding it in the air, and no Magical blasts were shown coming out of her hands either. She simply caught and crushed it with her strength. Something clearly Thanos could not do.