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Setting: Coloseum, Rome

Who wins?

This is Fathor w/ Stormbreaker yes?

Cap probably runs circles around him in the opening rounds and land more hits.

In the end though, I'm not convinced that ThunderCap has enough damage output to take out Thor whereas I'm not sure how Cap would fair if Thor started dishing out lightning.

Stormbreaker is also a deadlier weapon than Mjolnir, that's assuming that Cap has possession of Mjolnir throughout the fight and Thor doesn't just summon it back to him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is Fathor w/ Stormbreaker yes?
Yeah.

I know

The hammer has lightning because it has the enchantment on it.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." And we saw Cap with enhanced strength, the ability to call Mjolnir and lightning.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He's a better fighter than Thor but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he's as strong and durable as Thor.

Um, Mjolnir grants those who are worthy of lifting it the power of Thor. He sent Thanos flying back with a few shots. There's no way Cap can do that under his own power.

Originally posted by KingD19
The hammer has lightning because it has the enchantment on it.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." And we saw Cap with enhanced strength, the ability to call Mjolnir and lightning.

Ah that makes sense

Originally posted by Psychotron
Um, Mjolnir grants those who are worthy of lifting it the power of Thor. He sent Thanos flying back with a few shots. There's no way Cap can do that under his own power.

So you're saying ThunderCap is more or less bulletproof and can survive a neutron star?

Ha, good point however “who shall hold this hammer will have the power of Thor”

That could also mean you have Thors power but not his Asgardoan Biology.

I don’t think the hammer makes you an Asgardian.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're saying ThunderCap is more or less bulletproof and can survive a neutron star?

Uh... Yes. Mjolnir grants you the power of Thor, it seems fairly straight forward to me.

Originally posted by ares834
Uh... Yes. Mjolnir grants you the power of Thor, it seems fairly straight forward to me.

Does that mean you get Thor's thunder powers as well as his Asgardian physiology then? Or does it only mean his thundergod powers? Does that mean Cap can live thousands of years as long as he keeps the hammer?

We know Cap had lightning in his eyes, could use Mjolnir like Thor and could hit Thanos hard enough to hurt him. He was also tough enough to take several blows from Thanos.

Cap wins, he has the power of Thor and he’s the best fighter in the MCU pound for pound

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're saying ThunderCap is more or less bulletproof and can survive a neutron star?

Why not? That's how it works in the comics too. Actually, I don't remember Thor ever getting shot in these movies but he did dive for cover in Avengers when those jets oppened fire on him and Hulk.

^ He got shot by Ultron in the Quinjet in AOU.

Also: Whosoever HOLDS this hammer if he be Worthy shall possess the power of Thor.

If Thor and Cap TK fight over it, thereby keeping it out of Caps hands for a prolonged period, then Cap should lose the power of Thor. Presumably something like the 60 second rule comic Thor has had at times.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also: Whosoever HOLDS this hammer if he be Worthy shall possess the power of Thor.

If Thor and Cap TK fight over it, thereby keeping it out of Caps hands for a prolonged period, then Cap should lose the power of Thor. Presumably something like the 60 second rule comic Thor has had at times.

That doesn't really seem in character for Thor. He's a brawler. I don't think he'd want to win that way (assuming it even works like that).

^ Hes not just a brawler. He mixes things up a fair bit. And he tried to TK Mjolnir out of Helas hand. So it would be in character. Especially if hes getting beaten.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Hes not just a brawler. He mixes things up a fair bit. And he tried to TK Mjolnir out of Helas hand. So it would be in character. Especially if hes getting beaten.

He tried TKing Mjolnir because it was his primary weapon.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He tried TKing Mjolnir because it was his primary weapon.


Really? And I guess now its Stormbreaker? Funny then he still took Mjolnir back from the past.

We also saw with both available, he will use both Mjolnir and SB equally.

He clearly has an attachment to Mjolnir and will certainly go to get it back if its working against him.

Yeah, and Steve will block that attempt. Also, Steve can apparently summon Stormbreaker so what if he steals his axe first?

There's no way to know who can out-summon who so this is a pointless discussion.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, and Steve will block that attempt. Also, Steve can apparently summon Stormbreaker so what if he steals his axe first?

There's no way to know who can out-summon who so this is a pointless discussion.

The difference is that Thor still maintains all his powers even without his weapons. If Cap loses Mjolnir then he loses his thundergod powers.

Yeah, it was kinda weird how Cap did better with just mjolnir than Thor did when Thor had both mjolnir and stormbreaker. The movie really did shit on Thor pretty bad.

Thor had been drinking heavily and was out of practice for several years. He wasnt in top form.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Yeah, it was kinda weird how Cap did better with just mjolnir than Thor did when Thor had both mjolnir and stormbreaker. The movie really did shit on Thor pretty bad.

It's due to Mjolnir giving Cap Thor's powers. In that aspect, I believe Cap should be as strong as Thor. I mean, before Mjolnir, Cap's punches and kicks would barely bother Thanos, afterwards, Thanos was being swayed.

Cap fighting skills and agility also give him a great advantage considering that Thanos is also a good fighter.

Cap was clearly at the power of Thor in his prime, as the enchantment says so.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The difference is that Thor still maintains all his powers even without his weapons. If Cap loses Mjolnir then he loses his thundergod powers.

Cap has control over Mjolnir when he lets go of it, though. And Stormbreaker for some reason.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Cap has control over Mjolnir when he lets go of it, though. And Stormbreaker for some reason.

Yes, but if they get into a mental tug-of-war between the weapons where they're now caught in the air between them, Thor can easily just blast Cap with lightning.

Originally posted by Darth Thor


If Thor and Cap TK fight over it, thereby keeping it out of Caps hands for a prolonged period, then Cap should lose the power of Thor. Presumably something like the 60 second rule comic Thor has had at times.
Isn't that a bit reaching?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, but if they get into a mental tug-of-war between the weapons where they're now caught in the air between them, Thor can easily just blast Cap with lightning.

Seems a bit far fetched. Wouldn't Steve have some sort of control over the lightning if he's still at least partially in control of Mjolnir? Also, what makes you think Thor would even try to do that? Sounds extremely cheap and dishonorable.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Seems a bit far fetched. Wouldn't Steve have some sort of control over the lightning if he's still at least partially in control of Mjolnir? Also, what makes you think Thor would even try to do that? Sounds extremely cheap and dishonorable.

No. Cap won't have any control of lightning without Mjolnir, same way regular Thor couldn't generate lightning before without Mjolnir.

And Thor has used lightning blasts on his opponents before without hesitation. I don't see why he'd think it dishonorable in this situation.

I mean, if honor was to be taken into account in this match I'm pretty sure Steve would find it dishonorable to user Thor's own weapon against him. And if he did user Mjolnir then I'm thinking Thor wouldn't hesitate to use his lightning then.

We're going to have to agree to disagree then. I can't see this being anything other than a melee fight. Thor is too much of a proud warrior.

Originally posted by Psychotron
We're going to have to agree to disagree then. I can't see this being anything other than a melee fight. Thor is too much of a proud warrior.

Ok. Well, I can't force you to change your mind. Just saying, he wasn't too proud to use his lightning against Loki, Ironman, Hulk, Hela or Thanos.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Isn't that a bit reaching?


Not really.

We are assuming Cap had ALL of Thors abilities because of the enchantment, and not down to showings. So the same enchantment also makes it clear The Worthy have to Hold Mjolnir to gain those abilities.

So theres assumptions on both sides coming from the enchantment.


Plus we kind of know Cap doesnt have Thors abilities without Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not really.

We are assuming Cap had ALL of Thors abilities because of the enchantment, and not down to showings. So the same enchantment also makes it clear The Worthy have to Hold Mjolnir to gain those abilities.

So theres assumptions on both sides coming from the enchantment.


Plus we kind of know Cap doesnt have Thors abilities without Mjolnir.

There's also a scene later on where Cap no longer has Mjolnir and Thanos knocks him out cold with a single punch. It seemed to show that he no longer (if he ever did) have Thor's durability since it usually takes more than that to completely knock Thor out.

^ Ah right, interesting.

I still havent rewatched the film, but have a feeling will have to wait for the home release before we can pick out all these details.