GALLUP: TRUMP APPROVAL HITS HIGH; Tops Obama at same time During Presidency

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BrolyBlack
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Approval of President Donald Trump's job performance remains relatively high for him following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report in late March, and amid a flurry of positive economic news. After jumping from 39% in early March to 45% in the first half of April, Trump's approval rating held at 46% in a new Gallup poll conducted April 17-30."

Gallup

dadudemon
That specifically addresses a conversation that Whirly and I were having on this.

Seems is numbers did improve after the report release?



Also, goes to show you how popular Obama really was if Trump is still being compared to Obama.

BrolyBlack
Trump poll numbers on CNN, Quinnipiac and now Gallup all prove his numbers are going up and there is no denying it.

IBD is also up, and this was a month ago polled.
https://www.investors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/TIPP_Pres_OverSMALL_040819.jpg

Surtur
Originally posted by dadudemon
That specifically addresses a conversation that Whirly and I were having on this.

Seems is numbers did improve after the report release?



Also, goes to show you how popular Obama really was if Trump is still being compared to Obama.

And given how Trump is treated by the media...the fact his approvals reach as high as they do speaks VOLUMES.

Imagine what the approval rating would be if they treated him fairly? If they covered accomplishments as much as they do failures or triggering tweets. If they didn't lie to people about things like the tax cuts.

Bentley
I'm glad the US population shows a manifest distrust of media to this degree. I hope it leads to them going towards the creation or more neutral news agencies and better sources of investigation instead of echo chambers and ideological banter.

Surtur
Originally posted by Bentley
I'm glad the US population shows a manifest distrust of media to this degree. I hope it leads to them going towards the creation or more neutral news agencies and better sources of investigation instead of echo chambers and ideological banter.

Yeah, we've always had some healthy skepticism, but Trump did two things. He gave a voice to that skepticism and he forced the media to show their true colors.

Bashar Teg
Botton 1- Gallup is "fake news"
Button 2-- Gallup is valid data

*Wipes sweat off brow*

Robtard
Trump jumped 3% (IBD/TIPP) from last month, good for him.

What's deceptively not said in comparing Obama and Trump here, Obama was handed a recession and it was in full swing by year two of his presidency; that's what Obama had to deal with, the fact his numbers were that high speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills. Nothing brings numbers down like a recession and unemployment.

While Trump was handed a strong economy to play with.

Surtur
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Botton 1- Gallup is "fake news"
Button 2-- Gallup is valid data

*Wipes sweat off brow*

It's true people should be skeptical of polls, especially ones that contain results they like.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Trump jumped 3% (IBD/TIPP) from last month, good for him.

What's deceptively not said in comparing Obama and Trump here, Obama was handed a recession and it was in full swing by year two of his presidency; that's what Obama had to deal with, the facts his numbers were that high speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills. While Trump was handed a strong economy.

Let's fact check.

You state several facts:

1. Obama was handed a recession.

2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

4. Trump was handed a strong economy.


Fact 1. Obama was handed a recession.

Financial crisis started during Bush' presidency. Measures to curtail the crisis were started and nearly completed under Bush's presidency.

2009 saw a large drop in economic performance which was already on its way and repairs put in place (evil, crooked repairs).

Obama got to take credit for recovery because he inherited a bad economy that was 100% bound to recover, anyway.

Result: Superficially, true. Under the hood, false.

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline



Fact 2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

The recession was over by Obama's second year and in Obama's second year, the economy had a massive jump.

Result: False as can be.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543



Fact 3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

Based on the actual facts for 1 and 2, you're applauding Bush, not Obama, for the economic recovery. That's probably not what you intended.

Result: False supporting premises, false conclusion.




Fact 4. Trump was handed a strong economy.

Not really. He was handled an okay economy and it has surged under his leadership. Perhaps not due to his leadership, however.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286

Result: Mostly false.




Conclusion:

Obama was spun by the media and the masses as the messiah. The first black president. Super intelligent. Etc. This is the PR machine for Obama.

Trump was always spun as an evil (yes), perverted (yes), corrupt (yes). Media was always against him. Trump doesn't help his image sometimes, as well.

Despite all these factors, for Trump to have approval ratings higher than Obama's during the same time in the presidency while Obama was taking the credit for the economic recovery, that's a miracle.


So you fail the fact check from all angles. Your point is also wrong.

Robtard
If you disagreed with me, then you're wrong.

Bentley
The joke is on you DDM. Rob never claimed any of that was truth, he just pointed out it was deceptively left unsaid.

Rob 1 - DDM 0

Originally posted by Robtard
If you disagreed with me, then you're wrong.

Robtard
Well no, look at the years/numbers/reasons:

https://i.imgur.com/EWI2bSd.gif
2008 Financial Crisis
Obama's Stimulus Package and How Well It Worked
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act


https://i.imgur.com/S2y75zp.gif
2016 Presidential Candidates' Economic Plans
Trump's Tax Plan and How It Affects You
Why US Deficit Spending Is Out of Control


edit: Fair play on the "Trump was handed a strong economy", it was okay/decent, "strong" was too strong of a word. So my error there.

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Well no, look at the years/numbers/reasons:

https://i.imgur.com/EWI2bSd.gif
2008 Financial Crisis
Obama's Stimulus Package and How Well It Worked
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act


https://i.imgur.com/S2y75zp.gif
2016 Presidential Candidates' Economic Plans
Trump's Tax Plan and How It Affects You
Why US Deficit Spending Is Out of Control


edit: Fair play on the "Trump was handed a strong economy", it was okay/decent, "strong" was too strong of a word. So my error there.

Just take a wild guess when Obama's second year in office started...

Now I'm not saying it was after 2009 or before 2011...but I am.


Also, don't pay too much attention to the bailouts only happening in 2009 from that screenshot you took. They started in 2008 under Bush. Remember this link?

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline

Robtard
Here's Obama in full, plus 2017

https://i.imgur.com/Fz28ULj.gif

That link is broken, ddm. "Server Error - We're sorry, but the page you're trying to visit is currently having technical issues."

Bentley
Crap, why aren't more people thanking Bush for saving your economy?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Here's Obama in full, plus 2017

https://i.imgur.com/Fz28ULj.gif

That link is broken, ddm. "Server Error - We're sorry, but the page you're trying to visit is currently having technical issues."

Answer:

Obama took office January 20, 2009. Guess what year 2010 is? Obama's second year as president.

And the website works just fine for me. smile

Almost all of the bailouts, the extreme majority of the bailouts, were approved by Bush. One of the last items he presided over was on Jan 15th when the Senate approved the second half of the bailout funds. That was part for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act. Signed by Bush, not Obama. wink

That was one of the last things of business Bush Jr. took care of before turning the White House over to Obama on the 20th of Jan, 2009.


smile


But, I know you're just trolling. It's fun for you to pretend links don't work.

But, no worries! I can play along!!! WEEE!


https://i.imgur.com/AlvojzK.png




Originally posted by Bentley
Crap, why aren't more people thanking Bush for saving your economy?

This is a good point. The credit (pun?) people give to Obama for "fixing the economy" should be given to Bush, not Obama. It's odd that they give Obama credit, though. But, hey, that's what we get for having the best PR-president in History: weird PR that misattributes legislation to the wrong president.

Robtard
Not trolling, link does not work for me:

https://i.imgur.com/iOLcTWo.gif

No, I didn't tamper with the address. I just clicked

Obama 2008 Economic Promises and Platform

ARRA, Its Details, With Pros and Cons

Surtur
Originally posted by dadudemon
Let's fact check.

You state several facts:

1. Obama was handed a recession.

2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

4. Trump was handed a strong economy.


Fact 1. Obama was handed a recession.

Financial crisis started during Bush' presidency. Measures to curtail the crisis were started and nearly completed under Bush's presidency.

2009 saw a large drop in economic performance which was already on its way and repairs put in place (evil, crooked repairs).

Obama got to take credit for recovery because he inherited a bad economy that was 100% bound to recover, anyway.

Result: Superficially, true. Under the hood, false.

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline



Fact 2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

The recession was over by Obama's second year and in Obama's second year, the economy had a massive jump.

Result: False as can be.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543



Fact 3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

Based on the actual facts for 1 and 2, you're applauding Bush, not Obama, for the economic recovery. That's probably not what you intended.

Result: False supporting premises, false conclusion.




Fact 4. Trump was handed a strong economy.

Not really. He was handled an okay economy and it has surged under his leadership. Perhaps not due to his leadership, however.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286

Result: Mostly false.




Conclusion:

Obama was spun by the media and the masses as the messiah. The first black president. Super intelligent. Etc. This is the PR machine for Obama.

Trump was always spun as an evil (yes), perverted (yes), corrupt (yes). Media was always against him. Trump doesn't help his image sometimes, as well.

Despite all these factors, for Trump to have approval ratings higher than Obama's during the same time in the presidency while Obama was taking the credit for the economic recovery, that's a miracle.


So you fail the fact check from all angles. Your point is also wrong.

Hilarious.

eThneoLgrRnae
Yeah, Obama was handed a recession (I have no love for RINO warmongering globalist Bush) because of a BS war stoked by the lies of the MSM that Iraq had WoMD but he made it like ten times worse. Our national debt doubled under his so-called "leadership" and his massive regulations on small businesses didn't help the economy one bit either.


Trump lifted many of those strangulations on private business owners and brought massive amounts of jobs back (something Obama said couldn't be done) yet Obama and his pathetic supporters still try to claim Obama is the one who should be getting credit for the booming economy. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Quite pathetic, indeed. But I expect no less from his lame supporters. thumb up


And no, Trump was not "handed a strong economy" lmao.


Obama was a turd of a "president" compared to Trump. thumb up

Surtur
The funny part is that whenever something good happens with our economy some on the left credit Obama and yet any bad news is blamed on Trump.

Funny how that works out lol.

Robtard
Obama and Trump on jobs:

https://i.imgur.com/VuxQCVo.gif
Link

Thanks Obama thumb up

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by Surtur
The funny part is that whenever something good happens with our economy some on the left credit Obama and yet any bad news is blamed on Trump.

Funny how that works out lol.



Yep. thumb up



I guarantee you that if something bad had happened like the stock market crashing soon after Trump got into office that the leftist snowflakes would be blaming Trump for it.

Silent Master
Originally posted by dadudemon
Let's fact check.

You state several facts:

1. Obama was handed a recession.

2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

4. Trump was handed a strong economy.


Fact 1. Obama was handed a recession.

Financial crisis started during Bush' presidency. Measures to curtail the crisis were started and nearly completed under Bush's presidency.

2009 saw a large drop in economic performance which was already on its way and repairs put in place (evil, crooked repairs).

Obama got to take credit for recovery because he inherited a bad economy that was 100% bound to recover, anyway.

Result: Superficially, true. Under the hood, false.

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline



Fact 2. Recession was in full swing by year two of his presidency.

The recession was over by Obama's second year and in Obama's second year, the economy had a massive jump.

Result: False as can be.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543



Fact 3. Obama's numbers, considering points 1 and 2, speaks volumes to Obama's leadership skills.

Based on the actual facts for 1 and 2, you're applauding Bush, not Obama, for the economic recovery. That's probably not what you intended.

Result: False supporting premises, false conclusion.




Fact 4. Trump was handed a strong economy.

Not really. He was handled an okay economy and it has surged under his leadership. Perhaps not due to his leadership, however.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286

Result: Mostly false.




Conclusion:

Obama was spun by the media and the masses as the messiah. The first black president. Super intelligent. Etc. This is the PR machine for Obama.

Trump was always spun as an evil (yes), perverted (yes), corrupt (yes). Media was always against him. Trump doesn't help his image sometimes, as well.

Despite all these factors, for Trump to have approval ratings higher than Obama's during the same time in the presidency while Obama was taking the credit for the economic recovery, that's a miracle.


So you fail the fact check from all angles. Your point is also wrong.

Interesting, thanks for posting.

BackFire
Originally posted by dadudemon
Just take a wild guess when Obama's second year in office started...

Now I'm not saying it was after 2009 or before 2011...but I am.


Also, don't pay too much attention to the bailouts only happening in 2009 from that screenshot you took. They started in 2008 under Bush. Remember this link?

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline

Link also doesn't work for me.

Surtur
Originally posted by BackFire
Link also doesn't work for me.

Link doesn't work for anyone, he just fights for Hyrule.

dadudemon
Originally posted by BackFire
Link also doesn't work for me.

Try this (no, I am not being a smarty pants, this can actually work in this particular kind of situation):


http://lmgtfy.com/? q=Bailout+Timeline%3A+Another+Day%2C+Another+Bailo
ut



The article name is:

Bailout Timeline: Another Day, Another Bailout




If I go to it using google, it works. It's possible that the site has a "no direct linking" rule put on? Meaning, it has to receive hits to the site from specific host names or IPs as a means of protection from DoS attacks.

No, I am not kidding. I think more and more sites are doing stuff like this.

Surtur
Maybe doing it this way will work:

Bailout Timeline: Another Day, Another Bailout

dadudemon
Originally posted by Surtur
Maybe doing it this way will work:

Bailout Timeline: Another Day, Another Bailout

No, that didn't work.

And now the link doesn't work for me, either. Even when I revisit the link.


Seems the site is having issues. That was a good site. Outlined the corruption of the bailout.

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