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both at peak levels, who who wins

https://i.postimg.cc/9wPNzfs1/5175557-adam-lt1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/8jjtqtzt/vtuoujsgnnelibmunyhh.png

What kind of Legit feats does LT have that would even allow much of a battle at all.

done before, mxy won

so ignorance?

The Tribunal is TOAA's face/right/left hand.
The Living Tribunal is the most powerfull being in the Marvel Multiverse. He is the judge, and if he judges you, its over.

Tribunal is "Serence in it's Omnipotence". And actualled ruled over the Two Brothers that represented all of DC and all of Marvel
https://i.postimg.cc/zLXsHTkM/ssla.jpg

Only TOAA surpasses it.
https://i.postimg.cc/R3DD3yh6/onl.jpg

Mxy rapes. this is a spite thread

So, assuming this is classic LT.

I could care less about who anyone thinks who would "win." As I don't care who wins.
But ... I will post some interesting facts about pre-retcon LT.

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o ... k ... Anyway, I could go back and forth but after years of debating experience I've learned
arguing against opinions/theories will get me nowhere.

So ... I'll simply post the truth with proof and move on. (I do this for the onlookers)

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The Marvel Brothers look exactly like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are locked in an eternal struggle just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

They have the same Name: ... The BROTHERS! ... lol

The Marvel Brothers battle with swords, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are blue and red, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are guardians of the realities they architected, just like the original Brothers. (Marvel & DC)

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Coincidence? hm Not imo, but perhaps.

The originals were embodiments, and everything else is a perfect copy:

(Marvel vs DC)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17251794_Brothers1.jpg

(Adventures of the X-Men)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17251795_Brothers2.jpg


continues below:

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In Adventures of the X-Men:

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453470_Bro1.jpg

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I used to debate against this, but I later accepted the evidence I investigated for myself,
the Spectre being alluded to being involved, but in the most obvious way:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453471_Bro2.jpg

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Interestingly enough,
I used to think the LT held the ALPHA & OMEGA on the other hand,
but in fact, it was always the BrotherS that ARE the Beginning & the End:

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453472_Bro3.jpg

"Alpha & Omega revolve on the Wheel of Destiny ...
a Wheel spun by his mighty Hand .. A Hand soon opening
to allow two Brothers to assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."

Wow ... nice!

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So the LT undoubtably, imo,
held the power/embodiment/beginning-end ... of Two MegaverseS in one hand.

Which at the time published, (97') was all of Marvel and DC in his hand.

(at-least until 2007 when we officially understood via handbooks Marvel had its own private omniverse)

2005 Handbooks have Marvel and DC as Megaverses, inside a greater Omniverse.
2006 Handbooks really doesn't change that particularly.
2007 Handbooks finally changes that completely.

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This truth above is supported:

This page over at Marvuanapp hasn't been updated since mid 2004,
but at-least until then, this is the Bio of the Retcon BrotherS:

(bio was created by Marvel/DC comic book Writers)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

btw. The guy who created Marvunapp is the person who came up with the term "Megaverse"
which Marvel comics and even DC applies to their worlds.

After 2007, Marvel has been referencing a sole Omniverse
with endless representations of 616, so that detail's changed,
but the rest, is right on point with me.

stoned

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The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"

Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up)

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/21524614_Jeff.jpg

So, without question, the LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses!

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

--------------------------------

(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497521_Bio_2005-2.jpg

"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

--------------------------------

(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497522_Bio_2006.jpg

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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.

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swank


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The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)

Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996) ... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)

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... see under Comments:

Ron Marz - DC and Marvel writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Marz

Dan Jurgens - DC writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jurgens

Claudio Castellini - Marvel/DC artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Castellini

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Mike Carlin did NOT work for Marvel during Adv. of the X-Men!

He was one of the 3 top bosses at DC comics in 1997 - before, during and after Adv. of the X-Men.

Mxy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
-----------------------------------------

The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"

Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up)

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/21524614_Jeff.jpg

So, without question, the LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses!

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

--------------------------------

(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497521_Bio_2005-2.jpg

"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

--------------------------------

(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497522_Bio_2006.jpg

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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.

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swank


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The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)

Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996) ... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)

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... see under Comments:

Ron Marz - DC and Marvel writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Marz

Dan Jurgens - DC writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jurgens

Claudio Castellini - Marvel/DC artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Castellini

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Mike Carlin did NOT work for Marvel during Adv. of the X-Men!

He was one of the 3 top bosses at DC comics in 1997 - before, during and after Adv. of the X-Men.


wasn't the brothers retconned?

Not officially, ... if they ever were. There's no evidence to suggest they were.

Evidently, the Brothers from 'DC vs Marvel,' were the same Brothers in 'Adv.of the X-Men.'

I'll add though, I don't think any writer gives a shit about any of this nowadays.

So, the Brothers weren't "retconned" but they were forgotten,
and are probably meaningless currently, and for quite a while I'd say.

The LT on the other hand was definitely retconned, well,
the entire hierarchy actually, and the cosmological make-up of Marvel as well.

So how would modern LT do against Mxy

mxy would blink him out of existence.

spite thread like i said

Like I asked before. What feats does LT have that put him even close to what Mxy has done?

Originally posted by Blight
What kind of Legit feats does LT have that would even allow much of a battle at all.

His stature should matter, right? I've recently learned that fts doesnt even matter anymore, it's your title and hyperbole statements that is the deciding factor.

Did his stature prevent him from being killed?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

So how would modern LT do against Mxy
Modern LT gets stomped by Mxy.

Modern LT is but a whisper of what he used to be.

Mxy is uber powerful, amongst the top echelon of cats ever created,
he should be comfortably high on the list (ever) of either company imo.

That legit LT showing I posted, is just for informational purposes.
In that particular depiction,
the LT and Spectre were literally responsible for the creation of both sides, in their entirety.

What happened to LT power?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So how would modern LT do against Mxy
https://i.imgur.com/zcx5PVM.jpg

Master is still peddling his bullshit about that non canon x men title which is continuing x men animated series of all things.

Even later in Unlimited Access LT was nothing compared to the brothers. Never change marvel fanboy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Modern LT gets stomped by Mxy.

Modern LT is but a whisper of what he used to be.

Mxy is uber powerful, amongst the top echelon of cats ever created,
he should be comfortably high on the list (ever) of either company imo.

That legit LT showing I posted, is just for informational purposes.
In that particular depiction,
the LT and Spectre were literally responsible for the creation of both sides, in their entirety.
LMAO, DC comics was created by a marvel character. Listen to this guy.

yawn ... The forum ninny strikes again.

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In Adventures of the X-Men:

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin,
who was currently the Executive Editor at DC,

approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453470_Bro1.jpg

----------------------------------------


The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"

Is the same guy
who is "Head Handbook Writer"
of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up)

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/21524614_Jeff.jpg

So, without question, the LT's bio
(concerning the Two Megaverses)

is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff)

Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses!

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series,
the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses

(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)

It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse,

only DC and Marvel Megaverses.

The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood)
which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

--------------------------------

(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497521_Bio_2005-2.jpg

"We have coined the term Megaverse

to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

--------------------------------

(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497522_Bio_2006.jpg

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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.

===========================================

===========================================

swank


===========================================

===========================================

-------------------------------------------------------


The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)

Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996)

... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)

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Originally posted by Mr Master
yawn ... The forum ninny strikes again.

-------------------------------------------

In Adventures of the X-Men:

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin,
who was currently the Executive Editor at DC,

approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453470_Bro1.jpg

----------------------------------------


The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"

Is the same guy
who is "Head Handbook Writer"
of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up)

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t/21524614_Jeff.jpg

So, without question, the LT's bio
(concerning the Two Megaverses)

is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff)

Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses!

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series,
the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses

(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)

It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse,

only DC and Marvel Megaverses.

The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood)
which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

--------------------------------

(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497521_Bio_2005-2.jpg

"We have coined the term Megaverse

to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

--------------------------------

(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/21497522_Bio_2006.jpg

---------------------------------------------------

So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.

If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.

===========================================

===========================================

swank


===========================================

===========================================

-------------------------------------------------------


The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)

Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996)

... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)

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So much mental gymnastics that its not even funny.

And Ron Marz had Access come to Kyle in DCU in Jun 1997.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_Vol_3_87

And Access pretty much reiterated DC vs Marvel in Unlimited Access 1 which happened in Dec, 1997.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Unlimited_Access_Vol_1_1

Anybody can read it here.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Unlimited-Access/Issue-1?id=76650

While Adventures of X-men occurred in March 1997.

http://marvel.wikia.com/The_Adventures_of_the_X-Men_Vol_1_12

Adventures of X men is entirely non canon to DC. Unlimited Access is and that reiterated DC vs Marvel where LT was a gnat to Brothers.

Shut up troll.

the brothers was retconned

pre-retcon brothers from marvel vs dc crossover >>LT and Spectre

Originally posted by MrMind
the brothers was retconned

pre-retcon brothers from marvel vs dc crossover >>LT and Spectre
No, they weren't. Unlimited Access which was published AFTER Adventures of X men confirmed it.

Don't listen to the bullshit.

In DC vs Marvel, LT and Spectre almost decimated both Brothers
when they merged them by force.

... not bad for gnats.
Originally posted by abhilegend

So much mental gymnastics that its not even funny.

And Ron Marz had Access come to Kyle in DCU in Jun 1997.

And Access pretty much reiterated DC vs Marvel in Unlimited Access 1 which happened in Dec, 1997.

Anybody can read it here.

While Adventures of X-men occurred in March 1997.
lmao ... So thanx for helping my point you simplistic troll.

So much mental stupidity it is funny.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Adventures of X men is entirely non canon to DC.
At the time it was published, it was canon to DC.

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Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin,
who was currently the Executive Editor at DC,

approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453470_Bro1.jpg

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Again, your comedic "Access" googoogaga doesn't contradict my posts.

Because you trollified child,
it was the LT and Spectre who were changed NOT the Brothers.

The LT and Spectre were re-written as being above the Brothers, only difference.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Shut up troll.
How dem kids taste?

Originally posted by Mr Master
In DC vs Marvel, LT and Spectre almost decimated both Brothers
when they merged them by force.

... not bad for gnats.

lmao ... So thanx for helping my point you simplistic troll.

So much mental stupidity it is funny.

At the time it was published, it was canon to DC.

-------------------------------------------

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin,
who was currently the Executive Editor at DC,

approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15453470_Bro1.jpg

----------------------------------------

Again, your comedic "Access" googoogaga doesn't contradict my posts.

Because you trollified child,
it was the LT and Spectre who were changed NOT the Brothers.

The LT and Spectre were re-written as being above the Brothers, only difference.

How dem kids taste?
LT and Spectre took the brothers by surprise. Otherwise, they were getting ignored like fleas.

Unlimited Access is edited by Tom Brevoort AND Mike Carlin.

Like I said, shut up troll.

I get what abhi is saying.

During Unlimited Access(which was indeed published months after Adventures of the X-Men, which technically makes it the more authoritative source), Access recalls the events of the DC vs. Marvel crossover exactly as they took place, and even describes the Brothers:
https://i.imgur.com/XxLJdhV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PTDm9Rt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pakpiYT.jpg
"The two "Brothers" fill our vision. I think they somehow symbolize the two universes, or something like that... They're overpowering...Infinite...Incomprehensible."

And considering that Access still had full working knowledge of LT and Spectre, given that he literally watched them try(and fail miserably) to and stop the Brothers during the crossover:
https://i.imgur.com/gGpFSWx.jpg

...I'd say describing the Brothers the way he did is pretty telling.


That being said, I see two possibilities here:
a.) The Brothers were retconned to sub-LT-level in Adventures of the X-Men, and then retconned back to their superior DC vs. Marvel levels a few months later in Unlimited Access.

-OR-

b.) The 'twin entities' LT was holding in Adventures of the X-Men weren't the same Brothers from DC vs. Marvel in the first place.



...That's my take, at least. Really not interested in arguing about it, though. srug

clear as day.

another myth busted i guess

Dammmmmmn son, the dedication above Squall is beginning to become legendary.
That's a kmc uber feat, in such a short period of time.
Shiiiit, taking the art to new levels. How pathetic.

Anyway, gibberish aside ...

Finally, one of few sensible posts. G, wut up! ...
Originally posted by Galan007

During Unlimited Access(which was indeed published months after Adventures of the X-Men,
which technically makes it the more authoritative source)
The DC-Marvel Brothers bio was updated in 2004.
But, that aside, the Access Unlimited depictions do not contradict the bio.
Originally posted by Galan007

Access recalls the events of the DC vs.
Marvel crossover exactly as they took place, and even describes the Brothers:

"The two "Brothers" fill our vision. I think they somehow symbolize the two universes, or something like that... They're overpowering...Infinite...Incomprehensible."
"serene in his Omnipotence" ... the LT being described while the Brothers are on his palm.

Access, is just a man who can dimension hop. He's not a cosmic entity. I'm not surprised by his awe.
Originally posted by Galan007

And considering that Access still had full working knowledge of LT and Spectre,
given that he literally watched them try(and fail miserably)
to and stop the Brothers during the crossover
They failed miserably after nearly obliterating both of them prior in the story.

LT and Spectre warped the Brothers by force, merging them,
this warp was going to tear them apart.
Heck, even separating them was near fatal.
Access (who at the time possess a shard of power of the Brothers)
had to help the LT and Spectre in the separation process.
Originally posted by Galan007

That being said, I see two possibilities here:
a.) The Brothers were retconned to sub-LT-level in Adventures of the X-Men, and then retconned back to their superior DC vs. Marvel levels a few months later in Unlimited Access.

-OR-

b.) The 'twin entities' LT was holding in Adventures of the X-Men weren't the same Brothers from DC vs. Marvel in the first place.
The Brothers were not depowered or diminished in status.

The LT and Spectre were elevated beyond them instead.

This is why when Access saw the same Brothers in Access Unlimited,
he didn't even allude to the LT's or Spectre's interference or existence.

Look at the Living Tribunal beating both brothers.

https://i.imgur.com/gGpFSWx.jpg

Doesn't that look magnificent.

/Mr Master

Originally posted by abhilegend
Look at the Living Tribunal beating both brothers.

https://i.imgur.com/gGpFSWx.jpg

Doesn't that look magnificent.

/Mr Master the ignorance is crazy. its basically- "im going to ignore everything that doesnt agree with my opinion because i want this one feat ive been peddling for years to still seem relevent". some people just cant take those blinders off


also this-
https://i.postimg.cc/fTsdMtsm/0.jpg
"power is unleashed that none have ever witnessed. and the spectre and living tribunal are AWED"

and that would be the SAME bros access recalled..the SAME lt and spectre that he remembered fighting them..etc.

i dont get why someone try to pretend like spectre or lt were meant to be stronger then the brothers in that story?the last issue made it crystal clear what the intent was, and the access issue you mentioned cemented those events. the bros were on a completely different level then them. lt and spectre were gnats in comparison

the access issue>the xmen adventures issue. and bios mean less than nothing..anyone who has to lean so heavily on them should be able to see how flimsy their opinions actually are, id think


thats just how it is

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the ignorance is crazy. its basically- "im going to ignore everything that doesnt agree with my opinion because i want this one feat ive been peddling for years to still seem relevent". some people just cant take those blinders off


also this-
https://i.postimg.cc/fTsdMtsm/0.jpg
"power is unleashed that none have ever witnessed. and the spectre and living tribunal are AWED"

and that would be the SAME bros access recalled..the SAME lt and spectre that he remembered fighting them..etc.

i dont get why someone try to pretend like spectre or lt were meant to be stronger then the brothers in that story?the last issue made it crystal clear what the intent was, and the access issue you mentioned cemented those events. the bros were on a completely different level then them. lt and spectre were gnats in comparison

the access issue>the xmen adventures issue. and bios mean less than nothing..anyone who has to lean so heavily on them should be able to see how flimsy their opinions actually are, id think


thats just how it is
And Spectre being a peer to LT is even more damaging. Mxy has made Spectre his ***** multiple times.

These trolls are unhinged.

One more thing, Unlimited Access is undisputedly canon to DC comics, Access even went to DC universe to search for Green Lantern in GL 87.

https://i.postimg.cc/9wyFhyGd/image.jpg

Shown here.
https://i.postimg.cc/PNDqYnBC/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tYH4zmj2/RCO003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tsqRKZ76/RCO004.jpg

That's how you prove something is canon, not pointing out editor's names and shit.

Originally posted by Mr Master
These trolls are unhinged.
Shut up.

So still nothing? ... except further proving my point.
I know it's unwittingly cause you're anxiousness to ever lowball clouds your judgement.
But yeah ninny, thanx anyway.

Damn, I figured all that time in the basement you'd come up with something, but ... nada again.

You fail

The Brothers got owned by LT and Spectre, deliberately warped into a merger, ha!
and had it not been for Access' help using shards found in Cap, Bats and himself,
the LT and Spectre would've inadvertently obliterated the Brothers in the separation.

Go pray my boy, you're not there yet, and from the looks of it, never will be until you change.yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
So still nothing? ... except further proving my point.
I know it's unwittingly cause you're anxiousness to ever lowball clouds your judgement.
But yeah ninny, thanx anyway.

Damn, I figured all that time in the basement you'd come up with something, but ... nada again.

You fail

The Brothers got owned by LT and Spectre, deliberately warped into a merger, ha!
and had it not been for Access' help using shards found in Cap, Bats and himself,
the LT and Spectre would've inadvertently obliterated the Brothers in the separation.

Go pray my boy, you're not there yet, and from the looks of it, never will be until you change.yawn Originally posted by abhilegend
Look at the Living Tribunal beating both brothers.

https://i.imgur.com/gGpFSWx.jpg

Doesn't that look magnificent.

/Mr Master
So what's happening there? I'm genuinely curious how LT didn't beat the brothers when they actually fought.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So still nothing? ... except further proving my point.
you realize all the info posted so far shreds your "point" apart right?

The classic LT was probably the most powerful being in Marvel (not including the Beyonders). In the crossover that seems to be canon for both companies, the LT and Spectre were shown as peers. Mxy has destroyed a backed Spectre three different times then went on to wipe out and recreate DC.

Mxy wins. I really hate this character though, nothing in DC makes sense with him around.

Originally posted by zopzop
The classic LT was probably the most powerful being in Marvel (not including the Beyonders). In the crossover that seems to be canon for both companies, the LT and Spectre were shown as peers. Mxy has destroyed a backed Spectre three different times then went on to wipe out and recreate DC.

Mxy wins. I really hate this character though, nothing in DC makes sense with him around.

Originally posted by zopzop
Mxy wins. I really hate this character though, nothing in DC makes sense with him around.

Then you must despise Joker

Joker is low-key portrayed as one of the smartest characters in either company.

Haters gonna hate.

Originally posted by Bentley
So smart he dresses up like a clown... Which is exactly what you would say makes total sense right?

Comicbook writers can't write smart characters to save their lives and that's about all the credit I can give to your argument. I only post naked, and yet..

Comic book writers either have the Jim Starlin syndrome, where everybody is too dumb and falls for Thanos rudimentary 'cleverness', or they go into "this substance/device/etc. is very potent, doesn't matter how he built it' plot points. It's hard to properly analyze intelligence in comics, except for where they 'stand' in relation to others, and Joker...well, he's pretty consistently shown as being able to outdo Batman/Lex . Don't hate the pale.

The Kang fan is trying to say that Joker is inept, lol?

Disgusting.

http://i.imgur.com/5OhNiDp.jpg

I first just want to say how thrilled I am that everyone is debating this seriously, and I'm also shocked and sorry that I have been missing this debate for so long. I've truly waited years for this moment, and apparently it's been here all along. As I type this wearing my custom Amalgam Comics hoodie, I can finally flex the one comic book topic for which I consider myself an actual authority: official Marvel/DC crossovers. These are the comics I obsessed over every millimeter of in middle/high school.

@Mr. Master, while I find your explanations extremely fun, fascinating, and compelling, and I'm not saying anything is totally indisputable, I feel that the "Brothers" being held in LT's hand fall much more heavily into the realm of the "unofficial crossover" (e.g. the Rutland Halloween Parade, which I'll get to later) than the official one.

For the first major clues, we need to look at the comics themselves. No! Not what's in the panels--I literally mean the fine print:

https://i.imgur.com/HxxkugI.png

Linked above is a picture of the copyright disclaimer in The Adventure's of X-Men #12. You will notice that they do not acknowledge that either or both of these "Brothers" are "jointly-held trademarks of DC Comics and Marvel Characters, Inc." This is very important because that is the specific language used any time Access or any Amalgam Character or likeness appear in a comic book including when Access appeared in GL #87 (which I promise to scan and show you as soon as I am back at my aunt's house where I keep it, as all online scans of the series seem to exclude that stuff, but they are online for all All Access/Unlimited Access books if you want to go look).

It's unfortunate that this was the last issue of Adventures of X-men because it deprives us of another big non-panel clue: the Fan Letter Page. At DC, back in the 90s at least, they published the fan letters that corresponded with the issue from 5 months prior. So my obsessed self also went out and bought GL #92, for further clarity from Marz about Access's pop-in and what's to come, and I was not disappointed (again I'll scan and post later this week because none of that seems to be online either).

Marz said in a fan response that Access would also be popping up "in a Marvel book," and since Access said he was looking for "the guy on the surfboard," I went and bought all the SS comics within that 10-month period, and thoroughly enjoyed reading them, but alas no Access there. (Then Unlimited Access came out, which was published by Marvel, so he technically wasn't wrong, just misleading).

ANYWAY, what I'm getting at here is that the handbook writers, whom you hold in such high esteem, themselves, acknowledge that the DC and Marvel multiverses (or "megaverses" or whatever) are bound by the limits of their companies or "comic line." So in order for a character, place, or concept to actually impact both realities, both companies must be involved officially.

I love that you have pointed out that Carlin, who was at DC at the time, was thanked in the issue, but the fact that he was involved in some kind writing or A&R capacity, and DC STILL didn't want to claim the Brothers as those "jointly-held trademarks" kind of furthers this point, even if the narrator acknowledged his "hooded, spectral ally."

Now I'll circle back to my Rutland Halloween Parade example. In 1972 Englehart, Conway, & Wein all con-conspired to have Beast, the Justice League, Thor (and the writers themselves) all at the same place at the same time. Writers/editors from both companies worked together in an unofficial capacity to troll/give the fans easter eggs/however you want to look at it, but it can't be considered "canon" that they were all there together, even in the crossover sense of "canon," as it was not sanctioned by the companies themselves. Other examples include Hulk knocking out "Doomsday," GL running into "Wong," Namor & Aquaman fighting the same slime monster, "Barry Allen/Buried Alien" poppin up in Quasar after Crisis, or the dozens of times "Clark Kent" has popped up in Marvel comics.

Now onto the power comparison. Yes, in DCvM #4 Spectre & LT were momentarily successful in keeping the Brothers from fighting each other by Amalgamating them/their universes, but I think you would agree that that in and of itself does not prove much as far as a power level comparison goes. It's "clearly" (I put "clearly" in quotes because the story itself is anything but lol) stated at the beginning of DCvM 4 that this was a last ditch effort to keep one universe from destroying another (based on fan-voted fights mind you) by doing something so weird and unexpected the Brothers had no way of anticipating it during their battle with each other.

LT and Spectre had no idea how long they could hold Amalgam together, and were working with Morty to find another solution as soon as possible, before the Brothers could break free from their cosmic-level Black Panther-Silver Surfer armbar. Once Access brought Cap & Bats (with their hidden shards of the original universes) back to Morty, they ALL (LT, Spectre, Morty, Access, and the shards) worked together to safely de-Amalgamate the universes, so Access could use psychology and show the Brothers how they could co-exist cuz of how dope Bats and Cap are.

Finally, the whole concept of "crossover canon" has been f*cked up since JLA/Avengers. There was a good 5-year run of all the cosmic Marvel/DC crossovers at least mentioning "Access," ending with Superman/F4 in '99. Then all of a sudden Krona could just curb-stomp entire universes in both of the companies' multiverses, with no mention of Access, Amalgam, or anything, and yet, the "cosmic egg" that Flash & Hawkeye trapped Krona in at the end of that story ends up in DC's Trinity series. Go figure.

Originally posted by Galan007
The Kang fan is trying to say that Joker is inept, lol?

Disgusting.

The Joker is not inept, he's just a terribly written character with losely defined traits that are deformed to fit whichever plot he's in. He's a posterboy and no stone gets unturned in order to make him look like legimate threat. But we all know the only thing keeping him alive is plot and his brand power.

Let me try something...

Batman's just a terribly written character with losely defined traits that are deformed to fit whichever plot he's in. He's a posterboy and no stone gets unturned in order to make him look like legimate threat. But we all know the only thing keeping him alive is plot and his brand power.

At least I'm consistent with my reason to hate these chumps awesr

Batman is leaps and bounds a better character than Joker though, he has motivations, his skills are somewhat explained through his extensive training and he has lot's of personal flaws that aren't just explained away by "he's crazy and now he's a different kind of crazy". Also his relationships with other characters also count, Joker makes no sense whenever he interacts with anyone

Depends on the writer I guess. I prefer the version of the Joker with vague origin and skills. Tired from everyone trying to shoehorn a sad origin with a traumatic childhood to explain every villains origin. Can't the guy just be a dick for no reason? Just because he likes it?