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https://www.salon.com/2019/06/14/yale-psychiatrist-bandy-lee-trumps-mental-health-is-now-a-national-and-global-emergency/

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^attention-seeking behavior

According to a Yale Psychiatric expert a world Emergency. But, you know, an educated expert... what does she know.

Originally posted by Silent Master


Somehow this is different though, and I look forward to the excuse provided.

Originally posted by Surtur
Somehow this is different though, and I look forward to the excuse provided. Dr. Bandy Lee convened experts to study the Mueller report. They conclude that Trump "can no longer see reality"

So, how long do we have to live?

Originally posted by Surtur
So, how long do we have to live? I don't know let's look at who "Bandy" is and why this is newsworthy.

Dr. Bandy Lee, who is a professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine and editor of the bestselling book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" convened a panel comprised of leading mental health experts to evaluate Donald Trump based upon his behavior as detailed in the Mueller report.

Their definitive conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world.

What is their success rate in accurately diagnosing patients without actually talking with them?

So this is about profit, cool.

Originally posted by Surtur
So this is about profit, cool. Nah, it's about World Safety. The fact she is getting the message out pleases me greatly. But then she is the real deal.

Their definitive conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world, and as such should have his powers severely restricted. At the invitation of several Democratic members of Congress, Lee and other mental health professionals will present their findings about Donald Trump's mental health at what they hope will be a bipartisan congressional meeting in Washington next month.


Anyone know if this happened yet?

And how many times has she personally examined Trump?

Originally posted by Surtur
And how many times has she personally examined Trump? it's based on her and other experts observations. Like Robs highlighting things. You know Science.

Their definitive conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world, and as such should have his powers severely restricted. At the invitation of several Democratic members of Congress, Lee and other mental health professionals will present their findings about Donald Trump's mental health at what they hope will be a bipartisan congressional meeting in Washington next month.

Has this happened?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
it's based on her and other experts observations. Like Robs highlighting things. You know Science.

Their definitive conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world, and as such should have his powers severely restricted. At the invitation of several Democratic members of Congress, Lee and other mental health professionals will present their findings about Donald Trump's mental health at what they hope will be a bipartisan congressional meeting in Washington next month.

Has this happened?

Oh, so they didn't examine him.


Has she ever even been in the same room with Trump? Spoken with him on the phone? Anything?

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh, so they didn't examine him.


Has she ever even been in the same room with Trump? Spoken with him on the phone? Anything? His confusion over being a first responder at 9/11 seems to show a pattern of delusional behaviour.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
His confusion over being a first responder at 9/11 seems to show a pattern of delusional behaviour.

So that's a "no" and a "no".

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I don't know let's look at who "Bandy" is and why this is newsworthy.

Dr. Bandy Lee, who is a professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine and editor of the bestselling book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" convened a panel comprised of leading mental health experts to evaluate Donald Trump based upon his behavior as detailed in the Mueller report.

Their definitive conclusion: Trump is mentally unfit, a threat to the United States and the world.

Oh, I see. It is more clear, now: she's got an agenda. An Anti-Trump agenda, to be exact.

I thought you had something legit. It's just more hysteria. She should get checked for delusional reality disorder and perhaps get her credentials called into question for using her position and credentials in a partisan political power struggle.

It's a dangerous game she is playing. And not a good one.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Yeah, experts believe... That's why they need to examine him.

"Believe" is clearly stated in your title...

It's like Trumpers can't even stop to read the title and absorb the content before knee-jerking like usual to defend their great orange Emperor.

Anyhow, Trump will never allow himself to be examined by someone who he's not certain is under his control. Remember his doctor's letter during the campaign?

Originally posted by Surtur
So that's a "no" and a "no". Interestingly Captains of Ships can be made to have examinations if their behaviour is considered erratic by the ships Doctor. I'd call a Professor of Psychiatric Medicine at one of the best 6 Universities in the world a good choice for ships Doctor.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is not true. Many health services now offer medical care and diagnostic services over the internet.

It is also very easy for a mental health professional to diagnose mental disorders by just observing them. It might be easier to diagnose Trump since there is so much footage and audio of him. He's recorded and mic'd up almost all the time. Did not know this, but can see logic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I see. It is more clear, now: she's got an agenda. An Anti-Trump agenda, to be exact.

I thought you had something legit. It's just more hysteria. She should get checked for delusional reality disorder and perhaps get her credentials called into question for using her position and credentials in a partisan political power struggle.

It's a dangerous game she is playing. And not a good one.

Bingo

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is also something I did not know.

However, looking at the defamation criteria that I posted for AdamPoe, it fits the "major public figure" category and defamation is much harder to prove in this case. She's also making a genuine effort and will have legitimate medical findings to present on this. So it does not seem she can be sued for defamation because she can fall back on both of those reasons:

1. Legitimate findings and legitimate professional opinion.
2. It's about a major public figure. I honestly don't think it's illegal for a minute for a healthcare professional to offer an opinion in the public interest.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/14/yale-psychiatrist-bandy-lee-trumps-mental-health-is-now-a-national-and-global-emergency/



Ever work at Yale?


I contracted there in my early years. The very, very brilliant people tend to have some measure of being very, very neurotic.

It's actually kind of crazy, how tightly wound virtually every single person is there. All that pressure to perform has consequences on the psyche.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I honestly don't think it's illegal for a minute for a healthcare professional to offer an opinion in the public interest.

When Trump loses in 2020, Trumpers can self-sooth themselves it happened because this doctor said she believes Trump's mentally deranged a year+ prior.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Believe" is clearly stated in your title...

It's like Trumpers can't even stop to read the title and absorb the content before knee-jerking like usual to defend their great orange Emperor.

Anyhow, Trump will never allow himself to be examined by someone who he's not certain is under his control. Remember his doctor's letter during the campaign? Exactly it's Surts usual reading what he wants to read or is happier with stuff.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You need to post this case.

But it may not work in Trump's case because he is a major public figure unlike that other guy. She's written a best selling book highlighting Trump is a loon, given his love of litigation, he either definately is a loon and knows it or, more likely at best Squall's case doesn't apply to a public figure or where a medical consensus from many experts, as here has been taken.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
She's written a best selling book highlighting Trump is a loon, given his love of litigation, he either definately is a loon and knows it or, more likely at best Squall's case doesn't apply to a public figure or where a medical consensus from many experts, as here has been taken.

On a scale of 1-10 how butthurt are you over Trump being president?

Originally posted by Surtur
On a scale of 1-10 how butthurt are you over Trump being president? No, no, no, that's not the right question. The right question is, why don't you want to listen to a group of highly decorated medical professionals with something important to say. This thread is not about me, it's about news, Science and Public interest. Don't let your Whirly derangement Syndrome blur how important this could be.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
The right question is, why don't you want to listen to a group of highly decorated medical professionals with something important to say.

What are they, cakes?

Okay, I'll listen to you. But only if they are highly decorated with buttercream frosting.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What are they, cakes?

Okay, I'll listen to you. But only if they are highly decorated with buttercream frosting. That's kinky bruv!

Originally posted by Putinbot1
No, no, no, that's not the right question. The right question is, why don't you want to listen to a group of highly decorated medical professionals with something important to say. This thread is not about me, it's about news, Science and Public interest. Don't let your Whirly derangement Syndrome blur how important this could be.

Lol@ "this thread isn't about me".

Sure it is. Why play dumb?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
That's kinky bruv!

They probably taste like sweat and opiate metabolites, knowing the psychiatry's community's penchant for prescription pain meds.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol@ "this thread isn't about me".

Sure it is. Why play dumb?


That's where you're wrong. I posted a thread just about Whirly. Go there if you wish to discuss just Whirly's mental health issues.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol@ "this thread isn't about me".

Sure it is. Why play dumb? Surt a Yale Profs opinion along with other MD's on the POTUS's mental health is surely thread worthy and I'm sorry you want to make it about me. Whirly derangement theory is a bad thing bruv!

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Surt a Yale Profs opinion along with other MD's on the POTUS's mental health is surely thread worthy and I'm sorry you want to make it about me. Whirly derangement theory is a bad thing bruv!

Lol. We all know it's about you.

So Surt, you are choosing what news should be discussed then, is that what you are saying? Because I made the thread... The story is not noteworthy? Or worth discussing?

Originally posted by Surtur
On a scale of 1-10 how butthurt are you over Trump being president?

You're mimicking me again. As always, this is very flattering :0

ps It should be "0-10", if you're going to mimic me, go all the way, don't half-ass it

Originally posted by Robtard
You're mimicking me again. As always, this is very flattering :0

ps It should be "0-10", if you're going to mimic me, go all the way, don't half-ass it

I just checked. Only mentally handicap people use scales that go from 0-10. Normal people use scales that go from 1-10.

After assembling a panel of experts, we've decided to diagnose you:

You're retarded.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're mimicking me again. As always, this is very flattering :0

ps It should be "0-10", if you're going to mimic me, go all the way, don't half-ass it

^Triggered

Originally posted by dadudemon
I just checked. Only mentally handicap people use scales that go from 0-10. Normal people use scales that go from 1-10.

After assembling a panel of experts, we've decided to diagnose you:

You're retarded.

haermm


I laughed so hard at my own post. WHEEEWW!

Rob can I laugh at DDM's post or will this set you into meltdown mode?

Originally posted by Surtur
Rob can I laugh at DDM's post or will this set you into meltdown mode? ^
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.gif

So indeed a meltdown. Tragic.

Originally posted by Surtur
So indeed a meltdown. Tragic. Where?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Where?

Surt's projecting again. (aka just an average Tuesday)

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Where?

You, right here.

Originally posted by Robtard
Surt's projecting again. (aka just an average Tuesday) Yeah, he does that, it's cute. It's what kids do Rob.

Let's face it, you don't really have to be an expert to see how Trump's behaviour has changed over the years. Old interviews of him show him expressing his opinions far more effectively than he does now. So either his mental capacity has reduced for whatever reason or he's faking it now because he thinks using words with as few syllables as possible means he's connecting with his supporters i.e he thinks they're all dumb.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Let's face it, you don't really have to be an expert to see how Trump's behaviour has changed over the years. Old interviews of him show him expressing his opinions far more effectively than he does now. So either his mental capacity has reduced for whatever reason or he's faking it now because he thinks using words with as few syllables as possible means he's connecting with his supporters i.e he thinks they're all dumb. Perhaps both, he's mental and thinks his supporters are thick. It would fit the facts tbh.

https://www.statnews.com/2018/06/28/goldwater-rule-broken-psychiatrists/

TLDR. Mental health professionals feel they have an ethical/social responsibility to comment on what they are witnessing with Trump, and that given the potentially disastrous consequences of staying silent, behavioral observation is sufficient for said commentary.

Further, my understanding is that the DSM-5 is generally geared more toward diagnoses based on observed behavior over inferred psychodynamics: another impetus for updating the Goldwater rule.

Originally posted by Mindship
https://www.statnews.com/2018/06/28/goldwater-rule-broken-psychiatrists/

TLDR. Mental health professionals feel they have an ethical/social responsibility to comment on what they are witnessing with Trump, and that given the potentially disastrous consequences of staying silent, behavioral observation is sufficient for said commentary.

Further, my understanding is that the DSM-5 is generally geared more toward diagnoses based on observed behavior over inferred psychodynamics: another impetus for updating the Goldwater rule. Exactly

Originally posted by Mindship
https://www.statnews.com/2018/06/28/goldwater-rule-broken-psychiatrists/

TLDR. Mental health professionals feel they have an ethical/social responsibility to comment on what they are witnessing with Trump, and that given the potentially disastrous consequences of staying silent, behavioral observation is sufficient for said commentary.

Further, my understanding is that the DSM-5 is generally geared more toward diagnoses based on observed behavior over inferred psychodynamics: another impetus for updating the Goldwater rule.

Yep we know they have great excuses for doing this.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yep we know they have great excuses for doing this. Erratic behaviour from the most powerful man on Earthn seems a good one.

I get it, orange man bad, anything okay to stop orange man.

Originally posted by Surtur
I get it, orange man bad, anything okay to stop orange man. Clearly you don't get it, highly respected and lauded medical professional and expert. A leader in the field of psychiatric medicine and other psychiatric experts see Trumps behaviour as that of a mentally man which in their expert opinion he is.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Clearly you don't get it, highly respected and lauded medical professional and expert. A leader in the field of psychiatric medicine and other psychiatric experts see Trumps behaviour as that of a mentally man which in their expert opinion he is.

I get it, orange man bad.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Clearly you don't get it, highly respected and lauded medical professional and expert. A leader in the field of psychiatric medicine and other psychiatric experts see Trumps behaviour as that of a mentally man which in their expert opinion he is. not bad... mad according to psychiatric experts.

No need to be upset kid, don't let Trump control you so completely.

Originally posted by Surtur
No need to be upset kid, don't let Trump control you so completely. Best you got kid? No counter experts? Of course not.

Seems valid, there is no need to be upset.

Originally posted by Surtur
Seems valid, there is no need to be upset. best you got kid? No counter experts? Of course not.

Originally posted by Surtur
Seems valid, there is no need to be upset.

I'm almost certain Trump is a few oranges short of a juice bar, (see what I did there?) but I'd be a lot more interested in this if the doctor/scientist involved wasn't such an obvious anti-Trumper who has written about him successfully in the past. She may just be plugging a new book. That being said I think world leaders should constantly and perhaps even continuously have their mental health/faculties monitored.

Originally posted by samhain
I'm almost certain Trump is a few oranges short of a juice bar, (see what I did there?) but I'd be a lot more interested in this if the doctor/scientist involved wasn't such an obvious anti-Trumper who has written about him successfully in the past. She may just be plugging a new book. That being said I think world leaders should constantly and perhaps even continuously have their mental health/faculties monitored. she's not the only one Sam, we have literally thousands of healthcare professionals believing it.

Originally posted by samhain
I'm almost certain Trump is a few oranges short of a juice bar, (see what I did there?) but I'd be a lot more interested in this if the doctor/scientist involved wasn't such an obvious anti-Trumper who has written about him successfully in the past. She may just be plugging a new book. That being said I think world leaders should constantly and perhaps even continuously have their mental health/faculties monitored.



Good idea.


Extend that to private sector industry and big business. Add in a law that any meetings like the Bilderberg Group must be open to the general public, to make sure they're not just all throwing poop at each other (Industry and trade secrets my ass. If THAT was the real reason, why is it ok to reveal those secrets to the very people with the deep pockets to becomes competitors? Answer that, Mr. World dominating illuminati fancy pants!)

Originally posted by cdtm
Good idea.


Extend that to private sector industry and big business. Add in a law that any meetings like the Bilderberg Group must be open to the general public, to make sure they're not just all throwing poop at each other (Industry and trade secrets my ass. If THAT was the real reason, why is it ok to reveal those secrets to the very people with the deep pockets to becomes competitors? Answer that, Mr. World dominating illuminati fancy pants!)

Yeah, can't really disagree with samhain. If our Air Traffic Controllers and other people in industries require frequent psych-evaluations to be deemed fit for duty, why not the most powerful human on the planet? They have the power to cause far more death and destruction and the last...what...10 US Presidents HAVE caused a massive amount of death and destruction.



They should be held to even higher standards than ATCs.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, can't really disagree with samhain. If our Air Traffic Controllers and other people in industries require frequent psych-evaluations to be deemed fit for duty, why not the most powerful human on the planet? They have the power to cause far more death and destruction and the last...what...10 US Presidents HAVE caused a massive amount of death and destruction.



They should be held to even higher standards than ATCs.


I really don't disagree, it's a good principle.



The real problem is keeping it from becoming yet another political weapon. Mental health professionals aren't exactly known for their spine, or their integrity (Just dumpster dive for all the various scandals, dirt, or cases where a professional said "Everything's A-OK" with a thumbs up, and suddenly their charge hangs themself or shoots up a concert)


What happens if a president is totally fine, but the health pro just doesn't like him? Get a second opinion? And what happens if there's industry wide bias, or one side is better at the pressure game then the other?

Originally posted by cdtm
I really don't disagree, it's a good principle.



The real problem is keeping it from becoming yet another political weapon. Mental health professionals aren't exactly known for their spine, or their integrity (Just dumpster dive for all the various scandals, dirt, or cases where a professional said "Everything's A-OK" with a thumbs up, and suddenly their charge hangs themself or shoots up a concert)


What happens if a president is totally fine, but the health pro just doesn't like him? Get a second opinion? And what happens if there's industry wide bias, or one side is better at the pressure game then the other?


It's not hard to imagine it being used maliciously against a world leader if you've seen even one season of 24. How about thousands upon thousands of 1st year psych students blindly analyzing the profiles of all the worlds leaders? They would all be tested year in, year out by people who may not have the experience to offer a definitive diagnosis, but the sheer numbers of them could offer some good insights. They would also probably lack the experience/wisdom to be able to identify who the individual world leaders they are analyzing actually are which would mitigate the bias.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
she's not the only one Sam, we have literally thousands of healthcare professionals believing it.


I can imagine. Even a layman can see that Trump, in all probability isn't fit/sound for duty.

Originally posted by cdtm
I really don't disagree, it's a good principle.



The real problem is keeping it from becoming yet another political weapon. Mental health professionals aren't exactly known for their spine, or their integrity (Just dumpster dive for all the various scandals, dirt, or cases where a professional said "Everything's A-OK" with a thumbs up, and suddenly their charge hangs themself or shoots up a concert)


What happens if a president is totally fine, but the health pro just doesn't like him? Get a second opinion? And what happens if there's industry wide bias, or one side is better at the pressure game then the other?


The MMPI-2 seems to do just fine without being partisan. No reason at all to assume it would change just because the president takes it, right?


https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025887

I like how Doc Ramani explains the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

A follow-up vid -- "The 4 Types of Narcissism" -- is also pretty good. IMO, Ramani is good at explaining things simply.

Originally posted by samhain
I can imagine. Even a layman can see that Trump, in all probability isn't fit/sound for duty. Agreed Sam

Originally posted by Mindship
I like how Doc Ramani explains the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

A follow-up vid -- "The 4 Types of Narcissism" -- is also pretty good. IMO, Ramani is good at explaining things simply.

Thanks for this. I'll watch it at work when I get down time. Currently on a con call, waiting for people to do stuff.

Originally posted by Mindship
I like how Doc Ramani explains the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

A follow-up vid -- "The 4 Types of Narcissism" -- is also pretty good. IMO, Ramani is good at explaining things simply. I'm scared to watch this... believe it or not some one... well, p-people, sometimes say I might be a narcissist... Don't see it myself I'm far too good looking for that shit, If I say so myself and I'm always right.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The MMPI-2 seems to do just fine without being partisan. No reason at all to assume it would change just because the president takes it, right?


https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1025887



A good point. If something as partisan and inconsequential as the mental health status of an air traffic control... controller?... isn't something subject to partisanship, then surely the mental health of political opposition won't be.

I've already clarified a point.

However, I think if Trump is suddenly seen as mentally ill, you have to admit a lot of people diagnosed as mentally ill are due to outside conditions. People usually try to check up on people they don't like and force them into treatments, it seems somehow. Think of all the Hollywood stars, it happens to them. Many of the most famous die.

So basically you're having another psychotic episode, and resent the people in your life who try to help you?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
So basically you're having another psychotic episode, and resent the people in your life who try to help you? No, and my mom died in December, from 3 kinds of cancer (breast, bone, and eye.) My parents/aunt got me on medicine and I am stuck living with my dad (and little brother) and have to take it.

I'm actually very good, about perfect behavior, such a good reputation, play piano, etc. etc. etc., all growing up. I ran into intervention of others when I finally struggled in a class because the schools I went to before were much easier with busywork though (so not really easy.) This happened twice. I'm just teaching myself violin and German so I can go to Germany and experience good classical music.

I am not having any psychotic episodes (?) though when someone says that to you there's no convincing them otherwise.

I need to get out of here

If I thought that there was no possibility of me quitting this site 5 years from now, I'd kill myself now.

It's like your first high-school crush; no matter what you can't erase the intrusive thoughts from your mind.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks for this. I'll watch it at work when I get down time.Enjoy. She's easy on the ears.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'm scared to watch this... believe it or not some one... well, p-people, sometimes say I might be a narcissist... Don't see it myself I'm far too good looking for that shit, If I say so myself and I'm always right. You sound fit to be president.

Originally posted by TempAccount
If I thought that there was no possibility of me quitting this site 5 years from now, I'd kill myself now.

It's like your first high-school crush; no matter what you can't erase the intrusive thoughts from your mind.

lol

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'm scared to watch this... believe it or not some one... well, p-people, sometimes say I might be a narcissist... Don't see it myself I'm far too good looking for that shit, If I say so myself and I'm always right.

legit lol'd.

Originally posted by cdtm
A good point. If something as partisan and inconsequential as the mental health status of an air traffic control... controller?... isn't something subject to partisanship, then surely the mental health of political opposition won't be.

Man, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

But, yeah, the MMPI-2 has done well and I don't remember people bringing politics into it at all when they did the overhaul and upgrade from 1 to 2.

It's just accepted and ATCs come from all over the political spectrum. If it was a partisan test of mental-fitness, I would have seen many stinks raised over it.



They are working on an MMPI-3, obviously. If the president is required to take this test as often as an ATC, and we magically get an MMPI-3 that allows severe mental health and personality disorders through, yup...it's now a partisan test and its utility is in question.


I bet you Trump would fail the MMPI-2. As would many federal congressmen.

Originally posted by Mindship
I like how Doc Ramani explains the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs

A follow-up vid -- "The 4 Types of Narcissism" -- is also pretty good. IMO, Ramani is good at explaining things simply.

I saw this vid already. I'm not good with names but I do recognize Dr. Ramani. She has a certain charisma about her and it is very enjoyable to listen to her talk about things. She is incredibly smart but has a knack for explaining obviously complicated things, simply, so you can quickly grasp the subjects.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Dr. Bandy Lee convened experts to study the Mueller report. They conclude that Trump "can no longer see reality" Bandy Lee was ahead of the game!

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm pretty sure EVERY THREAD MADE IN THE PAST 2 MONTHS should just be assimilated into this one. That way it will be easier for me to watch you all EAT SHIT-COVERED CROW :tomcatbetagiljotiinichairjerry hystericaldance


-from this thread
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=670364&pagenumber=11#post17369273

amazing. the yale psychiatrists were right, and the deranged uneducated insurrectioists were wrong. it's surreal

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
amazing. the yale psychiatrists were right, and the deranged uneducated insurrectioists were wrong. it's surreal it truly is, somewhere Surt uses a story from the Blaze to try and attack the Yale psychiatrists credentials, all rubbish of course. Such stupid, stupid people.