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NB4 cdtm comes in like "doesn't matter if we have capitalism or socialism, the elites will just manipulate everyone else anyways to have the most shit and make us like sheep. In fact the fighting over capitalism vs socialism is just a strategy by the elite to keep us at each other's throats and not looking at their nefarious schemes to mind control us."

If you can't beat 'em join 'em.

Whether it is as a top member of the Chinese Communist Party or as the chairman of the multi-billion dollar industry:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/f1/3e/eef13ed597d1b72a3a05fb90b06483db.jpg

This is like a bottle of coke vs a bottle of piss. Even if you hate coke, it's infinitely superior to a bottle of piss.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is like a bottle of coke vs a bottle of piss. Even if you hate coke, it's infinitely superior to a bottle of piss.

I knew you were sick in the head Surt, but not liking Coke! Who are you!?

I do like coke, maybe I should use doctor pepper instead cuz I hate it

The fact that some people are even questioning which is better of the two systems shows how far we've fallen as a society and how much our "education system" has failed.

And yeah... Coke is the best soft drink, by far lol. Though I didn't always think so. Pepsi used to be my favorite back when I was a teenager and in my early twenties. My tastes have certainly matured a lot since then.

Enjoy the carbonic acid ruining your teeth. This is why I will never support universal healthcare in the United States.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
The fact that some people are even questioning which is better of the two systems shows how far we've fallen as a society and how much our "education system" has failed.

Yeah, they would have to completely ignore that America is trailing socialist countries in the World Prosperity Index.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yeah, they would have to completely ignore that America is trailing socialist countries in the World Prosperity Index.

Would you move to another country, if you could?

Originally posted by Surtur
Would you move to another country, if you could?
I know this was directed at Adam, but I'll answer it as well.

I've often considered moving to another country, sometimes out of a desire to see the world, other times out of disgust with what is happening in the US. Language would be a huge barrier, and maybe I'm selling myself short here, but I don't have an advanced degree or highly-specialized and coveted business skills. It's not impossible to be successful in a foreign country, but I do not doubt for a second that it would be extremely difficult.

Originally posted by Surtur
Would you move to another country, if you could?

I could now if I wanted to, but I think it would create a set of social challenges at this stage in my life.

^So, in other words, you actually enjoy living in America too much to move...that's what I thought. You enjoy the freedoms you have here too much and all of the good things that capitalism provides while you sit there behind your computer screen and pathetically talk shit about it.


There's a word for that: HYPOCRITE

You guys ever wonder if the rest of the world is patiently waiting for you Americans to fearmonger yourselves to death?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yeah, they would have to completely ignore that America is trailing socialist countries in the World Prosperity Index.

Wonder how much of that would CHANGE if the U.S stopped giving a lot of those Countries Money?

What he said is a f***ing lie anyway, Fly. Just another left-wing lie. Socialism does not lead to prosperity no matter what that retard said. Right now, under Trump, our economy is the envy of the entire world.

Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other system in the entire history of the world. Socialism, otoh, sucks major a**. It leads to nothing but misery.

Hey Adam, you can pack your bags and move your hypocritical butt to socialist Venezuela anytime you like. No one is stopping you. Let's see how your ass likes eating rats to stay alive.

https://media.tenor.co/images/26eb5c0aa32c4fc0f791ab6506252e3d/raw

Why does this question still even get asked.

The right answer is...

Capitalism makes the better economic model
Socialism makes the best societal model

That's why all the richest countries per capita with the highest standards of living all have capitalist economies coupled with fair tax systems and solid citizen protections.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Why does this question still even get asked.

The right answer is...

Capitalism makes the better economic model
Socialism makes the best societal model

That's why all the richest countries per capita with the highest standards of living all have capitalist economies coupled with fair tax systems and solid citizen protections.

The question is been asked because powerful Congress individuals, professors in ivy leagues schools, and some rich individuals are saying Socialism is the right path, when all of them make their money under a capitalistic environment.

I want to know in what point in time did those individuals switch.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You guys ever wonder if the rest of the world is patiently waiting for you Americans to fearmonger yourselves to death?

Without a Universal Healthcare option, we don't have very many patients.

You say that, but then link a video which spends more than a third of its runtime commenting on how the term "socialism" is being misused in American politics, and that almost no one is actually protesting capitalism. Did you even watch it?

Originally posted by SquallX
The question is been asked because powerful Congress individuals, professors in ivy leagues schools, and some rich individuals are saying Socialism is the right path, when all of them make their money under a capitalistic environment.

I want to know in what point in time did those individuals switch.

And that's where the break in understanding comes in. Most people advocating "socialism" are advocating for the societal model rather than the economic model.

Whenever I see annual world rankings of the best cities in the world to live for quality of life, I see no American cities in the top twenty, or even thirty some years.

When it's a ranking of best countries, America is lucky to be in the top twenty some years.

Now, I say this as a lifelong resident of Canada (which ranks high in quality of life, BTW), so judge me as just a stone thrower if you want, I'm just repeating facts.

Having to pick Capitalism vs. Socialism is like trying to provoke us into picking extremes, when what you could do is just pick the best of both systems and use them, like we do up here - we're a capitalist democracy with lots of socialist strands in our governing systems. I believe in a strong social system that provides security and health care, and I don't feel the need to keep stockpiling guns in my house because I think any moment the government is going to break down my door and drag me off.

You live in the country with tens of millions, you need a government body. It's why I don't get libertarians who think they can live with virtually no government.

Keep in mind, every big market crash in America - 1929, 1987, 2008 - a Republican government was in charge. That was rampant capitalism at it's worst.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
And that's where the break in understanding comes in. Most people advocating "socialism" are advocating for the societal model rather than the economic model.


Socialism is socialism. It's laughable how you leftists are always trying to defend it by dressing it up with nice sounding words: "democratic socialism", "Societal socialism." LOL. It's like putting lipstick on a stinky pig lol.

Socialism pales in comparison to free market capitalism no matter what "kind" of socialism it is.

If this country is so awful and others are better, why aren't we sending illegals there?

I know we'd need permission, but won't these awesome countries wanna take them in? Why not have them to go the best country?

Good question.

If our country is bad and needs massive improvements the last thing we need is this swarm of illegals. Their situation is bad, but we have to take care of our own.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Socialism is socialism. It's laughable how you leftists are always trying to defend it by dressing it up with nice sounding words: "democratic socialism", "Societal socialism." LOL. It's like putting lipstick on a stinky pig lol.

Socialism pales in comparison to free market capitalism no matter what "kind" of socialism it is.

That'll be why the US isn't even in the top 10 countries to live and all the ones that are have capitalist economies with socialist policies.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Socialism is socialism. It's laughable how you leftists are always trying to defend it by dressing it up with nice sounding words: "democratic socialism", "Societal socialism." LOL. It's like putting lipstick on a stinky pig lol.

Socialism pales in comparison to free market capitalism no matter what "kind" of socialism it is.

Feel free to stop using your electricity, all FDA regulated food and drugs, police, fire department, traffic lights, public roads, cars, electronic devices, etc.

All of those come from democratic socialism and capitalism.


Or you could stop being an obstinate dumbass because you're too ignorant to understand what the world socialism means without being triggered. haermm

Socialism still sucks. No one has shown me any evidence that proves otherwise.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Socialism still sucks. No one has shown me any evidence that proves otherwise.

Define socialism as you define it.


Then we can talk about facts. There can't really be a conversation until you frame the discussion.

Well, I think you Squalx can get a very good practical view of how well socialism works in a system focused on capitalism, just look at your military benefits.

Meanwhile... At The Democratic Socialists Of America Conference

Giggle.

Originally posted by Surtur
Meanwhile... At The Democratic Socialists Of America Conference

Giggle.


Some of the comments in the comment section under the article are pretty good.

Damn it, can't edit that post.

Lulz every time I think of aggressive scents I just see the lack of tolerance for the poor souls with bad flatulence, stop the fart hate!

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Remember, Surt, it's not socialism... it's "democratic" socialism/"societal" socialism. In other words, it's the "good" kind of socialism lmao.

They're communists.

Here's Crowder at his best destroying leftists' lame talking point that "democratic socialism" is not really socialism (LOL):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvF_D4tVfYU

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/219/208/b4c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SsyyuSc.jpg

^Rare image of communism working

Ah the old "if you can't argue, strawman."

Who is that aimed at?

You and eRagerHrdonButtZ

What is the strawman?

Segwaying into communism nonsense after getting told that countries with capitalist economies and socialist policies spank the US in every quality of life index there is.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Feel free to stop using your electricity, all FDA regulated food and drugs, police, fire department, traffic lights, public roads, cars, electronic devices, etc.

All of those come from democratic socialism and capitalism.


Or you could stop being an obstinate dumbass because you're too ignorant to understand what the world socialism means without being triggered. haermm

"spanks the US", my ass. In your dreams, jaden. You're just jealous of our great country.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Segwaying into communism nonsense after getting told that countries with capitalist economies and socialist policies spank the US in every quality of life index there is.

Hilarious lists that are created by socialists in the educated world.

I'll be happy when an educated conservative makes a QoL index as well, unfortunately, the best-educated conservative is still reading coloring books and eating crayons.....

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
"spanks the US", my ass. In your dreams, jaden. You're just jealous of our great country.

What's that supposed to be?

That's the top countries in the standard of living index.

Here's the quality of life index as of mid 2019

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Segwaying into communism nonsense after getting told that countries with capitalist economies and socialist policies spank the US in every quality of life index there is.

Lol that's not what happened, but opinion noted.

Here's the happiness report as well.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0




...and yet there are plenty of articles like the one in link below that say the US has the best economy:


https://www.worldstopmost.com/2017-2018-2019-2020/news/richest-economies-world-2016-top-10-list/

eThneoLgrRnae seems to have trouble grasping the concept that being the most powerful country in the world doesn't equal best. For all the virtues the USA has, it still spends way too much on the military, and it's shameful to have unpaid medical bills as a leading cause of personal bankruptcy down there.

Roughrider seems to have the trouble grasping the concept that the Socialist Countries tend to LIE about things and have allies in the U.S that help push their narrative that their countries don't suck shitballs by putting out faked lists.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
...and yet there are plenty of articles like the one in link below that say the US has the best economy:


https://www.worldstopmost.com/2017-2018-2019-2020/news/richest-economies-world-2016-top-10-list/

That is because what those socialist countries don't like to report is that US economy and industry bolsters those economies with its pharma and military to name two items easily.

Or how about US food exports and money given to third world countries etc.....

If the US got serious about toping those charts it could do it easily and the rest of the world would be getting a lot less

Those charts also don't share that the US is by FAR the home of the largest amount of immigrants (in growth and total population) in the WORLD. So while it might have some downfalls but it is clearly successful.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
^So, in other words, you actually enjoy living in America too much to move...that's what I thought. You enjoy the freedoms you have here too much and all of the good things that capitalism provides while you sit there behind your computer screen and pathetically talk shit about it.


There's a word for that: HYPOCRITE

No, I just do not like the prospect of leaving behind everyone I know to start a new life over from scratch.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, I just do not like the prospect of leaving behind everyone I know to start a new life over from scratch.

So if you didn't have that holding you back, where would you go?

Originally posted by roughrider
Whenever I see annual world rankings of the best cities in the world to live for quality of life, I see no American cities in the top twenty, or even thirty some years.

When it's a ranking of best countries, America is lucky to be in the top twenty some years.

Now, I say this as a lifelong resident of Canada (which ranks high in quality of life, BTW), so judge me as just a stone thrower if you want, I'm just repeating facts.

Having to pick Capitalism vs. Socialism is like trying to provoke us into picking extremes, when what you could do is just pick the best of both systems and use them, like we do up here - we're a capitalist democracy with lots of socialist strands in our governing systems. I believe in a strong social system that provides security and health care, and I don't feel the need to keep stockpiling guns in my house because I think any moment the government is going to break down my door and drag me off.

You live in the country with tens of millions, you need a government body. It's why I don't get libertarians who think they can live with virtually no government.

Keep in mind, every big market crash in America - 1929, 1987, 2008 - a Republican government was in charge. That was rampant capitalism at it's worst.

That good and all, but when Canadian wants life alter surgeries, where do they go again?

The hospital?

Originally posted by roughrider
eThneoLgrRnae seems to have trouble grasping the concept that being the most powerful country in the world doesn't equal best. For all the virtues the USA has, it still spends way too much on the military, and it's shameful to have unpaid medical bills as a leading cause of personal bankruptcy down there.



Nah, no trouble at all, dude. I know the difference. The United States has the most powerful economy in the world. That's an undeniable fact. Everyone who lives in actual reality knows this. United States is #1 followed by China. I posted a link to an article pointing it out. The article mentioned literally nothing about military power (and trust me, there were tons of more articles I could've posted from other sites pointing out the US's economic superiority). If you don't like it or refuse to check it out then not my problem.



It's f***ing laughable for anyone to think a purely socialist country can compete with the free market capitalism of the United States.


Sorry, but no one has yet to show me any proof that socialism can ever hope to compete with capitalism and I think we all know no one ever will post any because it's not possible for it to happen.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Roughrider seems to have the trouble grasping the concept that the Socialist Countries tend to LIE about things and have allies in the U.S that help push their narrative that their countries don't suck shitballs by putting out faked lists.

Originally posted by BackFire
The hospital?


Yeah, if they can even get in. From what I hear, there is a long waiting period for medical procedures like that in Canada. You could end-up dying waiting around for a life-saving medical procedure.

Good ole socialism lol.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Yeah, if they can even get in. From what I hear, there is a long waiting period for medical procedures like that in Canada. You could end-up dying waiting around for a life-saving medical procedure.

Good ole socialism lol.

Pretty sure that's bullshit.

The procedures that you have to sometimes wait for are the more trivial ones. Ones that are a matter of life and death are prioritized.

Originally posted by BackFire
Pretty sure that's bullshit.

The procedures that you have to sometimes wait for are the more trivial ones. Ones that are a matter of life and death are prioritized.


Yeah, that would make more sense for sure. Though I think many people would disagree on exactly what is considered trivial and what isn't. If by trivial, then you mean someone who isn't dying then yes, I'd certainly agree with that. But that's not to say that there aren't important medical procedures that people might need done even if there life weren't in immediate danger.

Originally posted by SquallX
That good and all, but when Canadian wants life alter surgeries, where do they go again?

The American health care system can be the best in the world...but only for the very rich. It's everyone below that threshold that struggles.

Originally posted by Surtur
So if you didn't have that holding you back, where would you go?

Where would I not go? Canada, England, France, Germany, Norway, take your pick.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Where would I not go? Canada, England, France, Germany, Norway, take your pick.

Well you gotta pick one to settle down in eventually, which one?

Originally posted by Surtur
Well you gotta pick one to settle down in eventually, which one?

Canada would probably be the easiest, because they speak English, and are culturally similar to the United States. And I would still be on the same content of everyone I know, so visiting would be easier.

Pretty sure Norway is not a socialist country.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Pretty sure Norway is not a socialist country.


It's expensive as fvck.

Quite a few of the Eastern European Countries are realizing that New Age EU Socialism is the same nightmare of the Soviet Union all over again and they are starting to reject it. I don't blame them.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Pretty sure Norway is not a socialist country.

It's biggest industries are state owned and the government owns more than half the Oslo stock exchange.

None of the scandinavian countries are truly socialist countries despite leftists (like loudmouth ignorant Joy Behar) always wanting to use them as "examples" of "successful socialism."

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/



Just a small snippet taken from the informative article:


In response to Americans frequently referring to his country as socialist, the Prime Minister of Denmark recently remarked in a lecture...

I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.

Socialism only works in two places: Heaven, where it's no longer needed, and Hell, where it already exists.-- Ronald Reagan

Is that why the Left is working so hard to turn the world into a Living Hell?

Yeah it is....cause They sure aint gonna get into Heaven!

HHAHAHAHAH!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Is that why the Left is working so hard to turn the world into a Living Hell?

Yeah it is....cause They sure aint gonna get into Heaven!

HHAHAHAHAH!


True dat.

Hell will be full of "DEMOCRACY!"

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
None of the scandinavian countries are truly socialist countries despite leftists (like loudmouth ignorant Joy Behar) always wanting to use them as "examples" of "successful socialism."

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/



Just a small snippet taken from the informative article:


In response to Americans frequently referring to his country as socialist, the Prime Minister of Denmark recently remarked in a lecture...

I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.
Right, it gets annoying seeing people hold up the Nordics as some kind of poster boys for Socialism when they are capitalist, free market countries. And some of the most competitive in world, at that.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It's biggest industries are state owned and the government owns more than half the Oslo stock exchange.

These retards do not understand that is what Socialism is: the government owns the means of production, and the workers reap the benefits.

They have been brainwashed into thinking that concentrating the means of production in the hands of a few individuals and funneling the benefits from the bottom to the top while the workers fight over crumbs is freedom.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
These retards do not understand that is what Socialism is: the government owns the means of production, and the workers reap the benefits.

They have been brainwashed into thinking that concentrating the means of production in the hands of a few individuals and funneling the benefits from the bottom to the top while the workers fight over crumbs is freedom.

I thought about this a lot.

What's the difference between classic socialism, a corporatocracy, an oligarchy, or a nobility?



Nothing, really. It's still a few people controlling resources and the means of production.

No Adam, retards are people who think putting a nice-sounding word in front of the word 'socialism' changes the overall meaning of the word... it doesn't.

It's like saying putting the word 'democratic' in front of the word 'murder' somehow makes it more appealing and/or changes the overall meaning of the word.

Let's say the majority of the US population decided that conservatives should all be killed-off because they are all a threat to the world because they don't freak out over climate change hysteria nonsense the way brainwashed lefties do. Well, at least that would be "democratic" mass murder, yes? But it still doesn't change the fact it's immoral and disgusting.


Fortunately, we live in a constitutional republic instead of a pure democracy so every individual is entitled to inherent inalienable God-given rights (the foremost of which is the basic right to life).


Putting the word "democratic" in front of the word 'socialism' doesn't change the overall meaning of the word 'socialism' anymore than putting the word 'national' in front of 'socialism' changes it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought about this a lot.

What's the difference between classic socialism, a corporatocracy, an oligarchy, or a nobility?



Nothing, really. It's still a few people controlling resources and the means of production.

Bingo.

Capitalism is always better, anyone who believes in socialism is just dumb as hell.

Originally posted by Surtur
Capitalism is always better, anyone who believes in socialism is just dumb as hell.


Yep.

Originally posted by Surtur
Capitalism is always better, anyone who believes in socialism is just dumb as hell. Simplistic/jobless one has spoken.

More lies, ain't shit gonna happen tho

Originally posted by Surtur
More lies, ain't shit gonna happen tho You are jobless and simplistic. You are hilarious when you try to be respected.

Originally posted by Surtur
More lies, ain't shit gonna happen tho

Originally posted by Surtur
You poor thing. What did they do to you?

A mixture of the two is good.

Originally posted by BackFire
A mixture of the two is good. Nuance. Neither extremes but both are definitely needed to some degree just as Thanos stresses balance.

Nuances for the Guy who is a Confirmed Penis Tucker. 3 Polls Confirmed it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought about this a lot.

What's the difference between classic socialism, a corporatocracy, an oligarchy, or a nobility?



Nothing, really. It's still a few people controlling resources and the means of production.

If you make it this abstract there is a lot of subtle problems with decision making that make most governments and corporations sound downright hopeless. The decisions will always be done by a small number of humans (simply because only individuals take actual directions) and what is important iis the model of organization you set up to disrupt their powers so it doesn't become purely personal.

One of the reasons for Comunism to have met such a miserable failure is because their theory was about how to use power and not how to disrupt it.

Originally posted by BackFire
A mixture of the two is good.

Plus an acknowledgement that all the little programs people love wouldn't exist without Capitalism would be nice.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Nuances for the Guy who is a Confirmed Penis Tucker. 3 Polls Confirmed it. Your dad is here? Where?

Originally posted by Bentley
If you make it this abstract there is a lot of subtle problems with decision making that make most governments and corporations sound downright hopeless. The decisions will always be done by a small number of humans (simply because only individuals take actual directions) and what is important iis the model of organization you set up to disrupt their powers so it doesn't become purely personal.

One of the reasons for Comunism to have met such a miserable failure is because their theory was about how to use power and not how to disrupt it.

The history of communism rising in most countries is that they spend a long time getting dominated by foreign powers that control it so much the populace is in economic misery - Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, that was the case.

Originally posted by BackFire
A mixture of the two is good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your dad is here? Where?

You wish You knew where Your dad was.

Originally posted by BackFire
A mixture of the two is good.

Not Really. Socialism is just a Cancer. It Shouldn't be given a chance to spread and infect a healthy system.

Cut it OUT and Kill IT!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
You wish You knew where Your dad was.



Not Really. Socialism is just a Cancer. It Shouldn't be given a chance to spread and infect a healthy system.

Cut it OUT and Kill IT! So he is not here?

Your dad took One Loot. Dropped It to the Floor, ran out the Door and was Seen Never More.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Your dad took One Loot. Dropped It to the Floor, ran out the Door and was Seen Never More.

Quit being weird. Is your papa here?

Are you offering to be my daddy?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Are you offering to be my daddy? No.