--- Street levelers vs Thor --- Speed comparison
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Philosophía
Well, might as well start an official thread.
Thor gets all of his thousands of appearances and feats from 1962.
A rough street-level 'ballpark' would be anywhere from Alfred to Spiderman/Wolverine. So, Batman, Captain America, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, etc. etc. i.e. your typical elite street levelers are in this.
Direct comparisons apply.
For example, Thor admitting Wolverine is faster while fighting him would be a direct combat comparison:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11112/111121459/3559067-2525667867-thor-.jpg
Falcon saying Spiderman is faster than Thor would be an direct non-combat comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/4wc1DBm.jpg
etc.
So. let us see how many feats/comparisons we can find, to pin-point the overall picture better.
celeyhyga17
Im still waiting for that bz
Super-fan1230
lmao i really think Superman blitzes him 200%
StiltmanFTW
@MrMind
You keep forgetting about including Angela in your posts, I'm very disappointed.
MrMind
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@MrMind
You keep forgetting about including Angela in your posts, I'm very disappointed.
I posted for you in barry vs slowdinson thread
TheHulkster
Street levelers out speeding Thor is PIS and leveling.
DarkSaint85
Based on what, his numerous speed feats?
When streets tag speedsters like the Flashes and the Supermen and the Quicksilvers and the Gladiators, we can point to their other feats and arrive at the conclusion that yes, Batman touching them is PIS.
Thor? Over 60 years?
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by MrMind
I posted for you in barry vs slowdinson thread
My bad, missed it
Originally posted by MrMind
your wish is my command
https://imgur.com/a/hqpYowl
Do include the ending next time --- it's just so good, we should repost it as often as possible.
LIKE A PIG WITH ITS THROAT SLIT:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WgWVO6m45bM/maxresdefault.jpg
I actually masturbated to that many times. No regrets.
celeyhyga17
If one takes into account all his showings, a street really would have no chance.
Btw im still waiting for that bz.
TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on what, his numerous speed feats?
When streets tag speedsters like the Flashes and the Supermen and the Quicksilvers and the Gladiators, we can point to their other feats and arrive at the conclusion that yes, Batman touching them is PIS.
Thor? Over 60 years?
Thor is established as having superhuman speed, which makes him at at least equal in speed to most of those street levelers shown. Thus, they should not be outspeeding him.
TheHulkster
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If one takes into account all his showings, a street really would have no chance.
Btw im still waiting for that bz.
Right. Or at least be comparable in speed to him, which would make it a non contest due to his strength advantage.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Thor is established as having superhuman speed, which makes him at at least equal in speed to most of those street levelers shown. Thus, they should not be outspeeding him.
Thor may have a degree of superhuman speed --- but he has no respect for exercises which are meant for honing Avengers' reflexes (as shown in Avengers, Thor/Cap scene).
Speed with no training means little --- that's why someone like Daredevil is able to fight and even beat Spider-Man.
He relies on his brawn and pure power, he can't even begin to imagine what it is like to use his speed effectively.
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Right. Or at least be comparable in speed to him, which would make it a non contest due to his strength advantage.
He's as fast as the story needs him. He'll play down to streets, or he'll play up to more powerful foes. A writer would have no real qualms on him performing an off the wall speed showing since he's an upper tier character with crazy abilities. Doesnt happen often, but it does.
Bottom line is he has done speedwise what streets can only dream about.
Thats the difference b/n him and people on that level.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's as fast as the story needs him.
Sure, make it sound as if he was a Superman from Marvel.
DarkSaint85
Lol that sounds like literal PIS.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Bottom line is he has done speedwise what streets can only dream about.
Like?
Tagging Hermes the Featless, something even Ares the Slowest There Is has done?
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure, make it sound as if he was a Superman from Marvel.
Philosophía
Mr. Mind
I'll keep this updated
Direct comparisons to street levelers
Wolverine is faster https://i.imgur.com/0qk0QXf.jpg]
Spiderman is faster https://i.imgur.com/4wc1DBm.jpg]
Daredevil is faster https://imgur.com/a/adPXjwh]
I'll add:
Gets blitzed by Mongoose :
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/43149649_RCO012.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/43149650_RCO013.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/43149651_RCO014.jpg
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https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/43149652_RCO009.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/43149653_RCO010.jpg
Captain America
https://i.imgur.com/ZGuO4i0.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/PC81kuI.jpg
Feats comparison
Said to be fast as lightning
Thor: https://i.imgur.com/YCTTEP6.jpg
Matched by Spiderman: https://i.imgur.com/rZ7hJc3.jpg
and Deathstroke: https://i.imgur.com/z4h5vwt.png
I'll leave the thing/hulk/sword/iron man parts out for a bit.
I don't want it to get to the point where we humiliate him with stuff like this:
https://i.imgur.com/Gj6BIgW.jpg
Let's keep it an objective comparison with the parameters of the thread.
StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine:
https://i.imgur.com/1nVlkvB.png
Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And Wolverine:
https://i.imgur.com/1nVlkvB.png
And Iron Fist:
https://imgur.com/a/I39QMKN
TheHulkster
Thor lands on Champion the very next panel (which is left out).
DarkSaint85
Punisher:
http://i.imgur.com/tHHD38m.jpg
Thor (only has a statement, though):
https://i.imgur.com/gGi1vvI.jpg
StiltmanFTW
You really love that scan
Captain America:
https://tinyurl.com/yytab4dy
Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Punisher:
http://i.imgur.com/tHHD38m.jpg
Thor (only has a statement, though):
https://i.imgur.com/gGi1vvI.jpg
Can you elaborate on the relevance of this?
This shows Punisher being faster than a bolt of lightning taken at face value. Then you posted a completely different scan saying Thor only has a statement.
Walk me through your reasoning and why it's relevant. Punisher > Lightning and Thor only has -as so far as you care to look- a statement, ergo Punisher > Thor in speed? I don't want to Strawman here.
NemeBro
Punisher also isn't as fast as a bolt of lightning, considering that in those four panels the lightning bolt traveled what is likely miles, whereas Punisher only managed to move less than a meter. It's a hilarious scan regardless, but it doesn't actually show literal lightning speed. On the contrary, lightning is clearly much faster than Punisher.
It doesn't matter though. There are so many examples of Thor getting bamboozled by relatively slow/street level characters (often coupled with statements that he is slower than his opponent, which even in cases where Superman or Flash get tagged by street level speed this isn't typically the case, the only example I can think of that kind of fits is Deathstroke being "faster where it counts" in Identity Crisis), and what speed showings of his he does have don't even come close to what Flash or even Superman have. Thor has super speed, but only in the way Cap does the majority of the time.
StiltmanFTW
Wow, this thread has awakened Rage
Sin I AM
Phil.. what's the purpose of this thread? Who are you baiting?
Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You really love that scan
Captain America:
https://tinyurl.com/yytab4dy
Nice.
To add more to direct comparisons:
Captain America -- superior reaction time and combat instincts to Thor :
https://imgur.com/a/HSYbN8q
StiltmanFTW
^ It's worth noting that Odinson simply refused to take part in the exercise and cheated his way through it, using lightning on the training drones.
Not saying he would've fared any better than Masterson.
Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^ It's worth noting that Odinson simply refused to take part in the exercise and cheated his way through it, using lightning on the training drones.
Not saying he would've fared any better than Masterson.
Speaking of Cap...
Ian Rogers:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/43177349_RCO006.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/43177350_RCO007.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/43177351_RCO009.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/43177352_RCO010.jpg
AlbertoJohnAvil
^I like how that instance is similar to the Thor vs. Moongoose fight, where he explicitly says that he can't use anywhere close to his full speed in such indoor and populated areas, or he would end up destroying everything and everyone around him.
But, let's ignore context
the desperation is hilarious
DarkSaint85
Where does it say that?
It still doesn't explain how he gets hit...sure, not throwing Mjolnir at full speed, I 100%get - but letting yourself be tagged?
AlbertoJohnAvil
I didn't say that it was stated in the second scan, I stated that the situation was similar to the Mongoose fight, in which such a thing was stated.
celeyhyga17
Mortal no powers Thor keeps up with Cap and even saves him at one point. This would be his baseline. He is far removed from his godly self who by logic, outclasses this human form by staggering amounts.
http://i.imgur.com/gHTMV62m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OUGjoOwm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/nkFBS9jm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/l7cQn5gm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7IYw1gym.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7EupJt7m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Q0o30Dhm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/yMXPxGGm.jpg
Any notion of standard Thor being a street leveler is....
And I'm still waiting for that bz.
SquallX
I think you guys defending Thor are taking this too seriously. This thread was made to specifically bashed Thor and force his fans to defend him.
Everyone here knows without pis/cis, Thor would outright outpaced any street level heroes.
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by SquallX
I think you guys defending Thor are taking this too seriously. This thread was made to specifically bashed Thor and force his fans to defend him.
Everyone here knows without pis/cis, Thor would outright outpaced any street level heroes.
Lol. So this is a bash thread.
TY
celeyhyga17
I couldn't agree more.
Ty
Philosophía
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mortal no powers Thor keeps up with Cap and even saves him at one point. This would be his baseline. He is far removed from his godly self who by logic, outclasses this human form by staggering amounts.
Any notion of standard Thor being a street leveler is.... This is a false premise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise
Being a 'god' doesn't grant you speed above street levelers, by default.
Therefore, not being a god, and fighting alongside Captain America, isn't a supplement for feats and consistent portrayals, while being a god.
It is quite telling, if I may say so, that you're dodging the premise of the thread , and using logical fallacies by bringing up depowered forms, instead.
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Mods have been contacted regarding out battlezone, with a link to our previous discussion where you ran away, and your incessant baiting and derail attempts in this thread, as well as the other accusations going around, when I've been nothing but civil.
Be patient.
celeyhyga17
Lol baiting? Derail attempts?
Civil...?
Smh... Look at ure post history and say that with a straight face.
DarkSaint85
He's not wrong though. In this thread he hasn't bashed once..for Phildo, that's practically eating celey out.
For those laughing....Aren't you guys the ones who place great stock in 'averages' and ' it's happened in comics, so we accept it?'
Philosophía
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol baiting? Derail attempts?
Civil...?
Smh... Look at ure post history and say that with a straight face. I've been nothing but civil and on-topic within this thread.
Meanwhile:
1). Once:
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Btw im still waiting for that bz.
2). Twice:
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Btw im still waiting for that bz.
3). Three times:
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And I'm still waiting for that bz.
Being accused of baiting:
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Phil.. what's the purpose of this thread? Who are you baiting?
Being accused of making this a bash thread:
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol. So this is a bash thread.
TY
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As I've said, I didn't take the bait for any of these attempts at derailing, baiting or trolling.
Furthermore, as I've also said, I've contacted mods, with links to the actual battlezone discussion where you ran away etc.
So, patience.
celeyhyga17
Lol
Thisguy is not understanding.
Your fellow fan called this a bash thread. I am simply thumbing it up.
Trying to change the narrative wont change fact.
And as for derailing, this is a vs forum. You are posting a stance. I posted the opposite of that stance. That is not derailing. Acting like ure panties are ruffled because of a post showing another stance, makes it look like u created a thread to be ure run o the mill one-sided shietshow.
StiltmanFTW
Just want to point out that this one was confirmed in every possible way, basically.
By Thor himself, as we see in your scan, Phil. And he continues to comment on Wolverine's speed after that.
By Wolverine, who assumes that "Sabretooth" sacrificed a substantial amount of his speed for strength:
https://i.ibb.co/RPct0MB/sfs02.png
By Frank Tieri, the writer (in the interview).
And I just thought what that fight would look like-Uru hammer Vs. adamantium claws, Thor's power and strength versus Wolvie's stealth and speed, etc.
https://www.cbr.com/ccc09-tieri-talks-wolverine/
And finally, by Tom Brevoort:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213476/4493053-brevoort.png
celeyhyga17
And yet Wolverine can never hope to outdo let alone hope to replicate some of what Tor's done on panel.
Just sayin..
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And yet Wolverine can never hope to outdo let alone hope to replicate some of what Tor's done on panel.
Just sayin..
Like being the slowest Avenger?
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And yet Wolverine can never hope to outdo let alone hope to replicate some of what Tor's done on panel.
Just sayin..
Tor? You mean the dark web browser?
Wrong forum, buddy...
Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just want to point out that this one was confirmed in every possible way, basically.
By Thor himself, as we see in your scan, Phil. And he continues to comment on Wolverine's speed after that.
By Wolverine, who assumes that "Sabretooth" sacrificed a substantial amount of his speed for strength:
https://i.ibb.co/RPct0MB/sfs02.png
By Frank Tieri, the writer (in the interview).
And I just thought what that fight would look like-Uru hammer Vs. adamantium claws, Thor's power and strength versus Wolvie's stealth and speed, etc.
https://www.cbr.com/ccc09-tieri-talks-wolverine/
And finally, by Tom Brevoort:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213476/4493053-brevoort.png
Holy shit, how did I miss that? So Wolverine confirms that Sabretooth, too, is faster than Thor.
Good find
So that's..
Wolverine
Sabretooth
Daredevil
Spiderman
Captain America
Mongoose
Damn...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like being the slowest Avenger?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tor? You mean the dark web browser?
Wrong forum, buddy...
Can Wolverine replicate being slower than Wolverine?
Checkmate.
Wonder Man
Fantomex when introduced was supposed to be someone Wolverine could go to in a pinch. With a god on your heels Fantomex might be able to bioweapon against Thor.
He was fast in the sewer where Wolveine contacted him in his intro.
xJLxKing
Some people just have to accept that DC and Marvel heroes are miles apart in speed contest
Wonder Man
Well Fantomex with misdirection could get anywhere ahead of time.
Sin I AM
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mortal no powers Thor keeps up with Cap and even saves him at one point. This would be his baseline. He is far removed from his godly self who by logic, outclasses this human form by staggering amounts.
http://i.imgur.com/gHTMV62m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OUGjoOwm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/nkFBS9jm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/l7cQn5gm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7IYw1gym.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7EupJt7m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Q0o30Dhm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/yMXPxGGm.jpg
Any notion of standard Thor being a street leveler is....
And I'm still waiting for that bz.
Where's this from
celeyhyga17
I forget actual issues.
It was Ellis and Deodato's run on Thor. A majority of it was spent by him in human form. Late 400's to early 500's.
Stoic
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I forget actual issues.
It was Ellis and Deodato's run on Thor. A majority of it was spent by him in human form. Late 400's to early 500's.
You have to admit the name Slowdinson is funny as hell. LOL.
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Stoic
You have to admit the name Slowdinson is funny as hell. LOL.
Almost as gud as Smellyhymen17
StiltmanFTW
Celey... you know what to do:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/namechange.php
FQRW0RM4V0k
celeyhyga17
Only if u change ures to #1Superfancuckface
shifty
Philosophía
Time to continue and cover them all!
Stilt, Mr Mind, etc. More scans are welcome, I'll just post for a few streets.
Try to keep the feats as low and approximately similar to the ones posted for Thor. The other feats will be posted as we get along and start to post feats for streets that Thor can't match.
Stilt, I'll leave Wolverine specifically to you, lol.
For reference:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/byxdjh/respect_thor_marvel_616/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t522796.html
With that said.
Moving almost/faster than the eye can follow, blur of motion
Thor:
All of these involve the hammer, which is mentally controlled, but be that as it may.
Batgirl:
https://imgur.com/OQX5gru?r
Nightwing:
http://i.imgur.com/F4HffXE.jpg
Batman:
https://imgur.com/a/sN5WY
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https://imgur.com/a/P3xhE
Iron Fist:
https://imgur.com/a/KxrAoNY
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https://imgur.com/a/05tDk7L
Like moving at superspeed:
https://i.imgur.com/SoiDGeb.jpg
Captain America:
https://imgur.com/a/a1TLCml
etc.
Dodging projectiles
Thor:
Streets:
A shitload of better, more extensive feats from streets here.
Knives
Richard Dragon, Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger:
https://imgur.com/a/uWW5iUm
lol...
Batman:
https://imgur.com/a/SXkIYE0
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https://imgur.com/a/pOVpe
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https://imgur.com/MA0FtcQ
Arrows
Batman:
https://imgur.com/a/uA8Ks
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https://imgur.com/a/UPTOW
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https://imgur.com/q6ycNCM (one of my favorites)
Batgirl:
https://imgur.com/O3a2wJR?r
Iron Fist:
https://i.imgur.com/xQrMwpE.jpg
etc.
So many characters have reacted to Mjolnir, that it's a waste, but here's Cap repeatedly dodging/reacting:
https://imgur.com/a/su0qOFR
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https://imgur.com/a/Oo5GU3F
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https://imgur.com/a/Hufbj2L
lol:
https://i.imgur.com/kfwWXdN.jpg
lolx2:
https://i.imgur.com/czQoBkY.jpg
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After we're done with these, we'll move on to the next batch!
StiltmanFTW
I'm feeling lazier than ever (and that's saying quite something), but okay
Gonna start with dodging...
Arrows
Reacting to an arrow shot by Mister X just before it reaches his neck:
https://i.imgur.com/YlfKOq9.png
Catching an arrow and throwing it back at the assailant:
https://i.imgur.com/asx5qgV.png
Slicing through a spam of arrows:
https://i.imgur.com/1FcnlEQ.jpg
Knives
Deflecting a knife thrown by Crimson Commando, whose powerset basically makes him a mutant equivalent of Captain America:
https://i.imgur.com/WZd5vEa.jpg
Does the same against Callisto:
https://i.imgur.com/b26B0QK.png
Four knives thrown at the same time do not do the trick, either:
1. https://i.imgur.com/RgkY9MV.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/b8mGCef.jpg
Moving almost/faster than the eye can follow, blur of motion
Moving as a blur...
Against the Hand Ninja who was later resurrected and trained Wolverine's bastard children:
1. https://i.imgur.com/oBqmnLR.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/LBySMHn.png
Against a terrorist who got spared and really should have known better:
https://i.imgur.com/JeE33X6.png
Against gangsters:
1. https://i.imgur.com/RFFyDHb.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/wOA4Ts4.png
Appears as a blur again while dodging energy blasts:
1. https://i.imgur.com/6O5doa1.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/lMkkpTz.jpg
Slashing faster than the human eyes can follow, confirmed by the narrator:
https://i.imgur.com/yxrEEjZ.jpg
Again:
https://i.imgur.com/oOpqJcz.png?1
Both Creed and Logan move almost faster than Psylocke's mind can follow:
https://i.imgur.com/6FgaRoE.png
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There you go. Let me know if that's enough.
Philosophía
The Psylocke one is crazy.
I'll add these ones since I have them at hand, and they're badass as f*ck for Wolverine:
Faster than the eye can see:
https://imgur.com/CJOtdJO
Bullet-timing, speedblitz, blur, everything:
https://imgur.com/JeE33X6
Faster than the eye that it seemed he didn't even move:
https://imgur.com/RFFyDHb
https://imgur.com/wOA4Ts4
I'll maybe add some other characters , but we'll probably resume tomorrow with the next batch of feats.
StiltmanFTW
Already included those
I'll add these two, then:
Kurt is falling to his death; before Xavier can shut down the Danger Room, Wolverine cuts himself an omnium plate from the wall and catches Nightcrawler with it...
https://i.imgur.com/MBYdlkB.jpg
Dude wakes Wolverine up in a metro, points a gun at him at point-blank range and tries to rob him; loses his hand instead:
https://i.imgur.com/TDXjpzd.png
carver9
Originally posted by SquallX
I think you guys defending Thor are taking this too seriously. This thread was made to specifically bashed Thor and force his fans to defend him.
Everyone here knows without pis/cis, Thor would outright outpaced any street level heroes.
Wonder why this thread isnt closed yet.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder why this thread isnt closed yet.
Maybe because we're acting civil and staying on the damn topic...?
Do you have anything to contribute?
Galan007
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe because we're acting civil and staying on the damn topic...? Exactly.
Thus far everyone is being civil in this thread(imagine that!?), and the thread itself has caused no legitimate issues at all. It is a true rarity in this day and age.
carver9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe because we're acting civil and staying on the damn topic...?
Do you have anything to contribute?
Make sense. I just feel bad for Thor and his followers. Naah, I dont have anything to add. I think Thor has had enough hate from my Hulk over the yrs for me to add anything.
AlbertoJohnAvil
Just wanna point out alot of thor scans are out of context
But go on, it's hilarious seeing hate on fictional characters.
StiltmanFTW
How is it "hate", when we're presenting facts and comparing canon feats...?
You have nothing to contribute either, Alberto?
Philosophía
Don't feed them, it just derails the thread
Also @Mr. Mind, Saint, don't be lazy....
I'll be at home in a few hours, and we'll continue.
Here's the last batch :
- showings against speedsters
- defending against energy blasts
- miliseconds/microseconds statements
- bullets
- poison darts
- tank shells
- snipers
- speed of thought
Try not to cover them all, I want to post some, too. uhuh
Parmaniac
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Just wanna point out alot of thor scans are out of context
But go on, it's hilarious seeing hate on fictional characters.
https://media.giphy.com/media/U1aN4HTfJ2SmgB2BBK/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/iI3j35w6xMEQFXyNv7/giphy.gif
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How is it "hate", when we're presenting facts and comparing canon feats...?
You have nothing to contribute either, Alberto?
Thor's highest speed feats dwarfs these dudes's averages. I could post some scans if you want
h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Thor's highest speed feats dwarfs these dudes's averages. I could post some scans if you want
Using someone's highest against another one's average isn't a fair comparison. In many cases, that's a 1-2 tier difference.
Use Thor's average against their average to be more fair.
celeyhyga17
More human Thor. Did he just run down a speeding vehicle? mhmm
http://i.imgur.com/32lRpFqm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/iv5UdN7m.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hGjZS9Hm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/w8uKPnAm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/xALs7BXm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/BmxQpPKm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/VevCGfVm.jpg
StiltmanFTW
- showings against speedsters
Vs. Speed Demon:
https://i.imgur.com/0kqSZG1.png
Vs. Living Lightning:
https://i.imgur.com/m1J505U.png
Vs. Northstar:
https://tinyurl.com/yxn7mfcm
- defending against energy blasts
Blocking lasers with his claws:
1. https://i.imgur.com/PQkai2Q.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/r9SznYg.jpg
Again:
https://i.imgur.com/uRrDEUb.jpg?1
And since Phil already mentioned it, here's Wolverine dodging Cyke's optic blasts and swatting one away with the red Muramasa Blade:
1. https://i.imgur.com/CE1GaAT.png
2. http://i.imgur.com/9WFhovw.png (dodging at point-blank)
- bullets
Saves Trance by shielding her with his own body from Orphan-Maker's gunfire... after the bullets were fired:
https://i.imgur.com/3ac7rry.png
Does the same in order to allow Laura to escape:
https://i.imgur.com/YP4SX1K.png
Blocks the handgun's barrel with his claw after its trigger's been pulled:
1. https://i.ibb.co/mR1M3tF/dorf1.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/9T49c0X/dorf2.jpg
3. https://i.ibb.co/PQvdJGP/dorf3.jpg
- poison darts
Cuts a rocket-powered dart fired by Warhawk:
https://i.imgur.com/nlk5VsL.png
Blocks multiple darts fired by Geist (one gets through):
http://i.imgur.com/GJASsbU.png
Cuts most darts out of the air fired by soldiers trying (and failing) to apprehend him and Xavier:
https://i.imgur.com/s7iKL8m.jpg
- tank shells
Tank misses him at near point-blank:
https://i.imgur.com/3KmWJ1z.png
- snipers
*repeat*
Jumps in the way of bullets fired by a S.H.I.E.L.D. operative, buying Laura some time... after the rounds were fired.
https://i.imgur.com/YP4SX1K.png
- speed of thought
Thought and action are one to Wolverine.
https://i.imgur.com/aQs4vTM.png
*repeat*
Moving in a blur, almost faster than Betsy's mind can follow.
https://i.imgur.com/CdDws4I.png
Philosophía
Goddamn, we're close to completion. I'll make my post in a bit.
Philosophía
AAAANNNNNDD...we're at the end.
showings against speedsters
Thor
Wolverine
Vs. Speed Demon:
https://i.imgur.com/0kqSZG1.png
Vs. Living Lightning:
https://i.imgur.com/m1J505U.png
Vs. Northstar:
https://tinyurl.com/yxn7mfcm
I'll start with this, since it's insane, and it goes with the whole 'blunt object' stuff.
Clark can throw baseballs so good, that even Jon Kent https://imgur.com/a/cVrcR] can't hit them. Bruce proceeds to do so:
https://imgur.com/a/CKLrv
https://imgur.com/a/kOZKa
Grabs Bart Allen in superspeed mode by the hair and lifts him up before he can react:
https://imgur.com/a/xMsAU
Hits Kid Flash in motion while hitting arrows in mid-air and swinging Wonder Girl:
https://imgur.com/a/Ds9BB
Deathstroke. No offence to Wolverine, Stilt, but this dude is a god when it comes to speedster showings. Imagine Thor having these feats:
He matches the speed of Mercury :
https://imgur.com/a/0BnGVCI
He was even said to may be faster than Wonder Woman
https://imgur.com/a/PvBqRyC
His reflexes allow him to handle Kid Flash:
https://i.imgur.com/6pI1H4E.jpg?1
Punks a speeding Bart:
https://i.imgur.com/Rmitx8p.jpg
Nightwing ties speeding Wally:
https://imgur.com/a/hkJNtZu
etc.
Against energy blasts
Thor
Wolverine
Blocking lasers with his claws:
1. https://i.imgur.com/PQkai2Q.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/r9SznYg.jpg
Again:
https://i.imgur.com/uRrDEUb.jpg?1
And since Phil already mentioned it, here's Wolverine dodging Cyke's optic blasts and swatting one away with the red Muramasa Blade:
1. https://i.imgur.com/CE1GaAT.png
2. http://i.imgur.com/9WFhovw.png (dodging at point-blank)
Batman dodges heat-vision mid-flight:
https://imgur.com/a/yaqnSS5
Batman reacts to Darkseid's Omega Beams/Effect, after it's fired:
https://imgur.com/a/3Cfcu
Deathstroke reacts to heat vision:
https://imgur.com/a/ZFNFiXr
It's Captain America time:
https://i.imgur.com/cNzc0P6.jpg
---
https://i.imgur.com/aS0auik.jpg
Deathstroke:
https://i.imgur.com/PDdMu1M.jpg
--
https://i.imgur.com/hcnhHsw.jpg
Spiderman dodges lightning after it's fired:
https://imgur.com/a/FkOUc
Shang Chi:
https://i.imgur.com/8yrUI5L.jpg
Black Panther dodging lasers with lightning-fast reflexes:
https://i.imgur.com/AsQvRJm.jpg
Daredevil:
http://i.imgur.com/kSTWSVK.png
http://i.imgur.com/xfPWKxN.png
Bullets
Thor:
Wolverine
Saves Trance by shielding her with his own body from Orphan-Maker's gunfire... after the bullets were fired:
https://i.imgur.com/3ac7rry.png
Does the same in order to allow Laura to escape:
https://i.imgur.com/YP4SX1K.png
Blocks the handgun's barrel with his claw after its trigger's been pulled:
1. https://i.ibb.co/mR1M3tF/dorf1.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/9T49c0X/dorf2.jpg
3. https://i.ibb.co/PQvdJGP/dorf3.jpg
Batman punchs bullets away, lol:
https://imgur.com/1mYGLpj
https://imgur.com/a/im7O5
Reacts after a trigger has been pulled and dodges:
https://imgur.com/a/WyuOn
Batman is Neo:
https://i.imgur.com/opjjrQ9.jpg
From behind:
https://imgur.com/a/etqLp1H
Batgirl dodges bullets as if they're moving in slow motion:
https://imgur.com/a/5Z2xw
Batgirl speedblitzes so fast, the bullet stays mid-flight:
http://i.imgur.com/8kOjA61.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GbPDz57.jpg
Captain America sees bullets in flight:
https://i.imgur.com/aS0auik.jpg
Captain America bullet times:
https://i.imgur.com/SS3EDM7.jpg
---
https://i.imgur.com/xsLlthd.jpg
Captain America outruns bullets:
https://i.imgur.com/CE8wOFt.jpg
Daredevil has a career of these:
https://imgur.com/a/yS4Wm
Iron Fist catches bullets, lol:
https://i.imgur.com/043i4d2.jpg
Iron Fist slaps bullets:
https://i.imgur.com/O19TqYC.jpg
Spiderman webs bullets:
https://imgur.com/a/5BB5w
Spiderman bullet-timing:
https://imgur.com/a/wARPn
Shang Chi bullet timing:
https://i.imgur.com/1c5qeIs.jpg
Black Widow bullet timing:
https://imgur.com/a/jGTWd
Punisher, lol:
https://i.imgur.com/9yrPC3y.jpg
eeeeeetc.
Darts
Thor
Wolverine- poison darts
Cuts a rocket-powered dart fired by Warhawk:
https://i.imgur.com/nlk5VsL.png
Blocks multiple darts fired by Geist (one gets through):
http://i.imgur.com/GJASsbU.png
Cuts most darts out of the air fired by soldiers trying (and failing) to apprehend him and Xavier:
https://i.imgur.com/s7iKL8m.jpg
Batman:
https://imgur.com/a/WoxNd
--
https://i.imgur.com/ABKhjql.jpg
Elektra:
https://i.imgur.com/6IpiG75.jpg
etc.
missle
Thor
Wolverine- tank shells
Tank misses him at near point-blank:
https://i.imgur.com/3KmWJ1z.png
Too funny to spent time given what's been posted above, but I'll add Midnighter here for the laughs:
https://i.imgur.com/aVP4AxW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BqsDMzv.jpg
And also Cap, again, with 'lightning reflexes':
http://i.imgur.com/OlO72p5.jpg
And Deadpool:
http://i.imgur.com/s8q9jIJ.jpg
Wolverine- snipers
*repeat*
Jumps in the way of bullets fired by a S.H.I.E.L.D. operative, buying Laura some time... after the rounds were fired.
https://i.imgur.com/YP4SX1K.png
Batman dodges a supersonic sniper bullet after it's fired, while not looking, just by the air movement:
https://imgur.com/a/Qgxga
Batgirl dodges Sniper bullets sideways, inches from her face:
http://i.imgur.com/fYamhD3.jpg
Speed of thought
Thor:
Wolverine- speed of thought
Thought and action are one to Wolverine.
https://i.imgur.com/aQs4vTM.png
*repeat*
Moving in a blur, almost faster than Betsy's mind can follow.
https://i.imgur.com/CdDws4I.png
Deathstroke:
https://i.imgur.com/hP8Whvq.jpg
Daredevil:
https://imgur.com/a/d5ueCGd
Spiderman:
https://imgur.com/a/aTiIK
Reed :
https://i.imgur.com/CZ8tHXg.jpg
Miliseconds/microseconds statements
Thor
Iron Fist:
https://i.imgur.com/1Dw7yiV.jpg
Black Panther and Hawkeye:
https://i.imgur.com/Ap7IP2g.jpg
Spiderman:
https://imgur.com/a/KAPKo
Daredevil:
https://imgur.com/a/2wcotpp
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Feel free to add more. Then I'll wrap it all up in a final post(s)
Magnon
How can Batman hear a supersonic bullet coming?
Philosophía
His ears are pointy for better reception.
StiltmanFTW
I called MrMind, but I'm not sure if he's gonna post.
Think we're good... ah, what the heck - one more from me.
Wolverine blitzes the shit out of Count Nefaria - who actually was using his super-speed in this comic:
1. https://i.ibb.co/SnyTntV/cn1.jpg
2. https://i.ibb.co/kQMj2hh/cn2.jpg
3. https://i.ibb.co/4tm0XDy/cn3.jpg
He ends up being a bloody mess, Ms. Marvel finishes him off.
Originally posted by Magnon
How can Batman hear a supersonic bullet coming?
He's Batman.
Parmaniac
Originally posted by Magnon
How can Batman hear a supersonic bullet coming? It's the sense equivalent to retard strength.
StiltmanFTW
Parm, be useful and add some Spidey feats
Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Parm, be useful and add some Spidey feats
I think they were already added. The only one I think that's missing is the Masterson blitz.
StiltmanFTW
Heh, yeah.
https://tinyurl.com/y5mps876
That one never gets old...
DarkSaint85
So what's the purpose of this thread guys? Will we get a mod ruling? It seems....A shame to throw it all away.
Bentley
Poor Nefaria getting punked by Logan. Was he not ionic in that showing? Wonderman has handled the claws just fine in the past
-K-M-
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Is that all?
2H5uWRjFsGc
Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what's the purpose of this thread guys? Will we get a mod ruling? It seems....A shame to throw it all away.
We'll talk to the mods. I'll be compiling the full comparison once I get home for easier overview.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Bentley
Poor Nefaria getting punked by Logan. Was he not ionic in that showing? Wonderman has handled the claws just fine in the past
"Handled" them by getting stabbed in the shoulder and bleeding energy in the following panel?
Exodus, TO Cable, Colossus, WWH all resisted one slash just to get cut later; Simon is not invulnerable to adamantium, far from it.
Anyway, this is not a thread for it.
PS. But hey, at least Devil Dinosaur became a pet for a girl who's smarter than Reed Richards... Marvel is not spoiling you enough already?
Great
steverules_2
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh, yeah.
https://tinyurl.com/y5mps876
That one never gets old...
What comic/issue is that?
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by steverules_2
What comic/issue is that?
The Mighty Thor #448.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/32115-2294-35790-1-thor.jpg
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The Mighty Thor #448.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/32115-2294-35790-1-thor.jpg
Meh.. Masterson.
Parker is no trouble. Even when amped.
http://i.imgur.com/URhzTwsm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OMPbbxnm.jpg
Or when Thor is not messin about.
http://i.imgur.com/ahiZTfdm.jpg
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Or when Thor is not messin about.
http://i.imgur.com/ahiZTfdm.jpg
Earth-11035.
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Parmaniac
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Meh.. Masterson.
Parker is no trouble. Even when amped. he's not even trying to avoid the blow (and the so called amp only affects his strength and durability, while the topic of this thread is Thor's speed)
http://i.imgur.com/URhzTwsm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/OMPbbxnm.jpg
Or when Thor is not messin about. isn't even canon
http://i.imgur.com/ahiZTfdm.jpg fixed that for you.
Quick Freeze
Doth my eyes deceive me? Do comparable speed fts vs Thor unite the Bubs and the Webheads alike?
StiltmanFTW
And there came a day unlike any other, when KMC's mightiest posters were united against a common threat!
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Earth-11035.
Oh u mean up until when Odin puts everything back to normal? That reality if it stayed that way, was prolly an alternate outcome. In any case, that's pretty much 616 Thor.
He remembers what happened even when things were returned to normal. Heck even Jane remembers Loki getting tossed back to Asgard. And finally Odin himself praises Thor for his "sacrifice" when he returns to Asgard.
http://i.imgur.com/Wa3R3iCm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/h7VcjNYm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/1goPRDZm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/36K6M6Nm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/WQgogbYm.jpg
carthage
Man Thor is slow as ****
Quick Freeze
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And there came a day unlike any other, when KMC's mightiest posters were united against a common threat!
Adding this quote to my signature soon as I remember how to do it
DarkSaint85
I think for fairness sake, before the mods give a decision, those siding with Thor should have their say.
In short, that Thor have consistent showings beyond what streets achieve.
And I don't mean the odd 'Thor has no trouble tagging Spidey', because that's NOT beyond what a street can achieve - Wolverine does the same, after all.
Nor do I mean statements like 'Thor moves at blinding speeds' or whatever, because again, streets can ALSO perform the same (as we have seen).
So it has to be something that if we replaced Thor with another street, it would be unheard of.
abhilegend
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And there came a day unlike any other, when KMC's mightiest posters were united against a common threat!
darthgoober
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think for fairness sake, before the mods give a decision, those siding with Thor should have their say.
In short, that Thor have consistent showings beyond what streets achieve.
And I don't mean the odd 'Thor has no trouble tagging Spidey', because that's NOT beyond what a street can achieve - Wolverine does the same, after all.
Nor do I mean statements like 'Thor moves at blinding speeds' or whatever, because again, streets can ALSO perform the same (as we have seen).
So it has to be something that if we replaced Thor with another street, it would be unheard of.
I seriously doubt that the mods will make anything resembling an actual ruling in regards to assigning any specific level of super speed regarding Thor. If they did they'd then be asked to make any number of similar rulings about other characters too. Historically they'll only rule that a character either has or doesn't have super speed and leave the "level" of super speed possessed by the character open to debate/discussion.
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by darthgoober
I seriously doubt that the mods will make anything resembling an actual ruling in regards to assigning any specific level of super speed regarding Thor. If they did they'd then be asked to make any number of similar rulings about other characters too. Historically they'll only rule that a character either has or doesn't have super speed and leave the "level" of super speed possessed by the character open to debate/discussion.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. We have rulings on Flash 'possessing that level of speed', so it is not unheard of.
darthgoober
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Perhaps. Perhaps not. We have rulings on Flash 'possessing that level of speed', so it is not unheard of.
Even Flash they don't assign a specific level to though, they just say that he'll use his speed. I mean it's a new day so you may very well be right, I was just pointing out that it's most likely a long shot. The simple knowledge that such a ruling would mean that there'd be similar threads for other characters will likely drive them away from such an idea. Just think about it, I think 10% of relevant appearances was the number you yourself personally cited as a fair way to judge Thor's speed... can you imagine such a thing to someone like Supes? The guy probably has 8,000 canon appearances, just imagine vetoing any of his speed feats of his that can come close to being matched by the top streets and then trying to set up an "average" based upon 10% of what's left. He'd need like 800 solid, non flight aided quantifiable feats beyond the BEST of guys like Spidey, Deathstroke, Cap, and Bats just to prove that his super speed went beyond "street level". The whole thing would end up devolving into a mess almost immediately.
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by darthgoober
Even Flash they don't assign a specific level to though, they just say that he'll use his speed. I mean it's a new day so you may very well be right, I was just pointing out that it's most likely a long shot. The simple knowledge that such a ruling would mean that there'd be similar threads for other characters will likely drive them away from such an idea. Just think about it, I think 10% of relevant appearances was the number you yourself personally cited as a fair way to judge Thor's speed... can you imagine such a thing to someone like Supes? The guy probably has 8,000 canon appearances, just imagine vetoing any of his speed feats of his that can come close to being matched by the top streets and then trying to set up an "average" based upon 10% of what's left. He'd need like 800 solid, non flight aided quantifiable feats beyond the BEST of guys like Spidey, Logan, Cap, and Bats just to prove that his super speed went beyond "street level". The whole thing would end up devolving into a mess almost immediately.
The difference being, with Thor his best showings are analogous to what a street can do.
Superman? Not so much.
darthgoober
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The difference being, with Thor his best showings are analogous to what a street can do.
Superman? Not so much.
I don't picture Captain America or Batman being able to dig a large trench around a speeding Quicksilver before he can escape, but to each his own...
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't picture Captain America or Batman being able to dig a large trench around a speeding Quicksilver before he can escape, but to each his own...
Ok.
AlbertoJohnAvil
Gotta agree with Saint here on that one
Speed like these:
https://i.postimg.cc/D4gdFtZN/sal.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XBCqkFMk/pso.jpg
abhilegend
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't picture Captain America or Batman being able to dig a large trench around a speeding Quicksilver before he can escape, but to each his own...
Thor dug a trench. Superman put together a ****ing moon in seconds.
https://i.postimg.cc/DfjfVd2T/image.jpg
So its one thing to say he has a minor level of superspeed. Bug to say he can react to a Superman level speedster? Nonsense
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor dug a trench. Superman put together a ****ing moon in seconds.
https://i.postimg.cc/DfjfVd2T/image.jpg
So its one thing to say he has a minor level of superspeed. Bug to say he can react to a Superman level speedster? Nonsense
Yeah that speed feat is hilariously beyond light speed. I Can't even deny how impressive that was
darthgoober
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor dug a trench. Superman put together a ****ing moon in seconds.
https://i.postimg.cc/DfjfVd2T/image.jpg
So its one thing to say he has a minor level of superspeed. Bug to say he can react to a Superman level speedster? Nonsense
Did you see me compare Thor's level of speed to Supes's... no, you didn't. I simply pointed to Thor hemming in a speeding Quicksilver as something beyond "street level" super speed because DS said that the speed feats of the top street level guys are analogous with Thor's best.
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you see me compare Thor's level of speed to Supes's... no, you didn't. I simply pointed to Thor hemming in a speeding Quicksilver as something beyond "street level" super speed because DS said that the speed feats of the top street level guys are analogous with Thor's best.
We've derailed this long enough, we can take this to PMs if needed.
darthgoober
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We've derailed this long enough, we can take this to PMs if needed.
Is it really derailing the thread? I mean the thread is about how Thor's speed should be viewed so everything we're talking about is pretty on-topic.
abhilegend
Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you see me compare Thor's level of speed to Supes's... no, you didn't. I simply pointed to Thor hemming in a speeding Quicksilver as something beyond "street level" super speed because DS said that the speed feats of the top street level guys are analogous with Thor's best.
One feat nearly 50 years doesn't becomes the norm when we see his feats matched by speed of street level characters time and again.. Silver age was wacky like that, no writer worth his salt would show Thor doing that to Quicksilver now.
darthgoober
Originally posted by abhilegend
One feat nearly 50 years doesn't becomes the norm when we see his feats matched by speed of street level characters time and again.. Silver age was wacky like that, no writer worth his salt would show Thor doing that to Quicksilver now.
The difference between "1" and "0" is infinite mathematically. I'd have no problem with people saying that MOST of Thor's speed feats can be matched by street level guys, but the contention in recent times has been that Thor doesn't have ANY feats beyond the street level guys and that position is clearly faulty.
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by darthgoober
The difference between "1" and "0" is infinite mathematically. I'd have no problem with people saying that MOST of Thor's speed feats can be matched by street level guys, but the contention in recent times has been that Thor doesn't have ANY feats beyond the street level guys and that position is clearly faulty.
Mind showing some examples?
darthgoober
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mind showing some examples?
The one we've been talking about(that even abhi acknowledges) when Thor dug a large trench around a bunch of people that included Quicksilver before any of them could react/escape.
LordGod
What do the Thor fans think? Considering everything that has been posted here, where do you guys think is a fair place to rank his fighting speed on average?
Because from the outside looking in, his fighting speed appears to be overwhelmingly street tier for the most part, so I'm honestly wondering.
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by LordGod
What do the Thor fans think? Considering everything that has been posted here, where do you guys think is a fair place to rank his fighting speed on average?
Because from the outside looking in, his fighting speed appears to be overwhelmingly street tier for the most part, so I'm honestly wondering.
He's as fast as the story needs him to be. He plays down to lower levels, but has no problem fighting top end speedsters.
He also has the occasional feat that a street will never be able to do.
darthgoober
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's as fast as the story needs him to be. He plays down to lower levels, but has no problem fighting top end speedsters.
He also has the occasional feat that a street will never be able to do.
Hey Celey I've noticed you actually going to the trouble of posting feats for Thor but I think you've forgotten a decent one. I don't remember the exact details, but during one of Thor's fights with Firelord it was narrated that they were fighting too fast for the eye to see. Not that one or both of them made a single fast maneuver or anything like that, but that they were actually fighting at that speed(at least briefly). Not sure which one of their fights it was and I don't remember the exact scene so I might be mixing up details, but it seems like the kind of thing you might want to check out.
LordGod
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's as fast as the story needs him to be. He plays down to lower levels, but has no problem fighting top end speedsters.
He also has the occasional feat that a street will never be able to do. Are his higher end speed showings of sufficient quantity to outweigh the abundance of streetlevel speed showings though?
The "he's as fast as he needs to be" thing sounds good and all, but it isn't exactly usable in forum fights. I'm asking for a quantifiable average in other words.
celeyhyga17
@goober
Cant recall that Firelord one.
Originally posted by LordGod
Are his higher end speed showings of sufficient quantity to outweigh the abundance of streetlevel speed showings though?
The "he's as fast as he needs to be" thing sounds good and all, but it isn't exactly usable in forum fights. I'm asking for a quantifiable average in other words.
Sufficient quantity hmm..
Can we say the same for "Speedsters" who get tagged? What's the numbers on them getting tagged by street level or written down so streets can play with them? Honest question.
Welp... He has done things that street level can never replicate. Im not talking about the dime a dozen bullet timin and lazer dodgin feats.
LordGod
Seems like you're trying to answer my question..... by dodging my question.
This thread, and my questions, are about THOR, and THOR alone.
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by LordGod
Seems like you're trying to answer my question..... by dodging my question.
This thread, and my questions, are about THOR, and THOR alone.
Not dodging. In reality it's a tough question. Im not gonna sit and examine every issue Thor has ever appeared in.
So now if I posed that same question, how many times have "speedsters" been tagged by streets or played down to streets? See wut im sayin?
And the point that ive reiterated at nauseum doesn't really match with your question. One can keep asking the same question ure asking, but I've always said that he has done things streets can never match speedwise. I'm talking about so far beyond above them that it would be silly to characterize him at street. How can he be characterized at street level when that is a fact?
Quick Freeze
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't remember the exact details, but during one of Thor's fights with Firelord it was narrated that they were fighting too fast for the eye to see. Not that one or both of them made a single fast maneuver or anything like that, but that they were actually fighting at that speed(at least briefly). Not sure which one of their fights it was and I don't remember the exact scene so I might be mixing up details, but it seems like the kind of thing you might want to check out.
Firelord tried to save a fake Air-Walker from a Thor beatdown by flying across the planet at "blinding speed," but Thor already killed him, (making some punk little kid too old for his onesie cry about it), which caused one of their best fights, but nothing to0 impressive speed wise
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Supermutant
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Celey I've noticed you actually going to the trouble of posting feats for Thor but I think you've forgotten a decent one. I don't remember the exact details, but during one of Thor's fights with Firelord it was narrated that they were fighting too fast for the eye to see. Not that one or both of them made a single fast maneuver or anything like that, but that they were actually fighting at that speed(at least briefly). Not sure which one of their fights it was and I don't remember the exact scene so I might be mixing up details, but it seems like the kind of thing you might want to check out.
I believe this is the fight you are referencing.
http://i.imgur.com/dPEyPTR.jpg
Mr Master
Thor has plenty of speed/reaction feats.
SLs can't hold a candle to him. Come on yall.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mr Master
SLs can't hold a candle to him.
That's not what this thread has proven.
Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread is jokes.
DarkSaint85
Then post scans
abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread is jokes.
Rage right now.
https://pics.me.me/imgfp-com-a-image-tagged-in-pretending-to-be-happy-hiding-50428857.png
LordGod
Originally posted by Mr Master
SLs can't hold a candle to him. Come on yall. Except they CAN, because they HAVE. Literally dozens of times- the scans have all been posted here.
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The Thor side seems to talk a big game when it comes to his combat speed, but they have yet to prove that his average level of speed is above the street tier. Sure he's ramped it up a few times over the years, but those select few instances certainly aren't enough to counterbalance all the other instances where his speed is very much street level. IMO>
celeyhyga17
Originally posted by LordGod
Sure he's ramped it up a few times over the years, but those select few instances certainly aren't enough to counterbalance all the other instances where his speed is very much street level.
Sure they do. It's stuff streets will never be able to replicate.
CosmicComet
Fighting proper speedsters in comics by itself means little without more context. i.e. explicitly being told how fast the speedster is going in the fight.
Fights are made to happen in comics regardless of how power sets match up all the time. especially in marvel where speed is mostly ignored.
Thor fighting Gladiator doesn't mean he is on par with Gladiator's nanosecond/ftl reflexes unless explicitly said so. Otherwise it means Wolverine and Colossus are in the same boat.
Even his 'fight' with quicksilver was an indictment on his speed. as he couldn't hit him at all, with the latter casually sidestepping his lightning and making him look like an oaf. He only got the better of him by slamming the ground and making an large enough AOE quake.
So you are left with Thor's explicit speed feats on his own merits. Which are paltry in number. Such as him digging a trench with Mjlonir at 'nearly' faster than eye speed (basic street level speed) or building a little tower brick by brick in unknown time frame (maybe minutes). not super impressive either.
or Jane Thor's surgery feat which would be a mid mach to maybe triple digit mach speed owing to the lightning comparison.
In other words I would put Thor at around lightning speed reflexes at best based on his own feats. You can't scale his speed using fights any more than you can for Batman hitting speedsters.
Thor being around lightning level in reflexes places him solidly in high street level company as Spidey has done similar.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Thor being around lightning level in reflexes places him solidly in high street level company as Spidey has done similar.
Go to page 2. We got it covered.
Others have done it, too. Nothing's special about it.
Mr Master
Thor has tagged several speedsters.
It's not Thor's forte, but imo, he has faster speed and reaction than any SL.
Remember, he's a mainstream hero, who routinely deals with cats beneath him,
writers are gonna hamper him in order to fit him into stories.
StiltmanFTW
We got the speedsters part covered, too.
Again... it doesn't make Thor any special.
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thor has tagged several speedsters.
It's not Thor's forte, but imo, he has faster speed and reaction than any SL.
Remember, he's a mainstream hero, who routinely deals with cats beneath him,
writers are gonna hamper him in order to fit him into stories.
The bone of contention here is that speedsters are routinely hampered so OTHER characters have a chance.
Everything he has done, a street has also done. As seen in this thread, with very extensive scans. These streets have ALSO tagged speedsters.
Mr Master
I agree with your first sentence.
But, I've seen plenty of performances (by Thor) that SLs could never repeat.
I'm kinda in the mood, I think I'll post some.
Gotta crop though.
LordGod
First off- why do you need to crop? Just post the whole pages. Constantly cropping individual panels from the pages makes it look like you're trying to hide context.
Second- which account of yours can we expect to post them?
DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree with your first sentence.
But, I've seen plenty of performances (by Thor) that SLs could never repeat.
I'm kinda in the mood, I think I'll post some.
Gotta crop though.
Fair enough.
Your original point was that Thor has tagged speedsters, and hence, is fast. He's fast, sure, but many streets have also tagged speedsters.
Mr Master
^^ I can agree to that.
Originally posted by LordGod
First off- why do you need to crop? Just post the whole pages.
Constantly cropping individual panels from the pages makes it look like you're trying to hide context.
Well, unless you know a magical way
to transfer pages from the book to kmc without cropping,
I have no choice.
Crop is crop, an entire page or a single panel.
Originally posted by LordGod
Second- which account of yours can we expect to post them?
As for the trolling. If you troll me with that bull shit again,
you'll get reported for off-topic unprovoked tripe to derail threads.
You can start building a rep towards getting banned.
AlbertoJohnAvil
in a comic Thor can absolutely tag Superman, in a vs debate though.. that's pretty hard if we use all of Superman combat highs
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by LordGod
First off- why do you need to crop? Just post the whole pages. Constantly cropping individual panels from the pages makes it look like you're trying to hide context.
That, along with fake descriptions, non-canon incidents and general blowing things out of proportion, has always been thorbags' whole modus operandi.
Originally posted by LordGod
Second- which account of yours can we expect to post them?
He's socking?
Just PM me, so the thread won't get sidetracked.
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