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Could you explain more in detail please of who is 'Shaxam God of Gods' ?

Originally posted by lawest9
Could you explain more in detail please of who is 'Shaxam God of Gods' ?

Oh him? Yeah, he's the guy that would get worked by a councel of beings powerful enough to have had authority over Norse Sky Father's.

Are you being coy or daft? Those Who Sit Above In Shadows were revealed to be Beyonders.

No, they weren't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they weren't.
Yes they were.

It's first hinted when they paraphrased the original Beyonder.

https://i.imgur.com/lvQBDM1m.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7WuErV5m.jpg

Loki then speculates it to be the case shortly after they're mysteriously wiped out.

https://i.imgur.com/sYGgtPIm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4wNtsLzm.jpg

Here's Loki even makes the point on the nose by saying "Or maybe Beyonders--taking forms to escape their Doom." With the bold text appearing in the comic as well.

And the Beyonders were of course killed by Dr. Doom at this time.

https://i.imgur.com/raA0Dl2m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/5WeBRBpm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/FP3pKclm.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
Yes they were.

It's first hinted when they paraphrased the original Beyonder.

https://i.imgur.com/lvQBDM1m.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7WuErV5m.jpg

Loki then speculates it to be the case shortly after they're mysteriously wiped out.

https://i.imgur.com/sYGgtPIm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4wNtsLzm.jpg

Here's Loki even makes the point on the nose by saying "Or maybe Beyonders--taking forms to escape their Doom." With the bold text appearing in the comic as well.

And the Beyonders were of course killed by Dr. Doom at this time.

https://i.imgur.com/raA0Dl2m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/5WeBRBpm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/FP3pKclm.jpg
Loki speculating them to be Beyonders was refuted in the same comic.

Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, I figured that myth might pop-up again... No, RKT was definitely not "well above" Odin. Tbh, I'm being extremely generous in putting him "slightly" above Odin.


RKT explicitly stated that he could NOT defeat the Fates outright -- he lacked the power to "change what has been written"(which is the Fates' conceptual purpose):
http://i.imgur.com/QiuIiQo.jpg

He beat The Fates, along with TWSAIS, by exploiting a cosmic 'flaw' in one of the strands on the Loom of Fate:
http://i.imgur.com/SipIP02.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dsqqC8C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gkj9gyL.jpg
That's it. He certainly did not straight-up overpower either party.


It was also explicitly stated that Thor's humanity/mortality is what gave him the advantage over the aforementioned beings, and allowed him to beat them -- NOT his raw power:
http://i.imgur.com/KVEgebH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vx9e5Ek.jpg

I want to emphasize this portion of the above text:
http://i.imgur.com/TVPrvXM.jpg

*THAT is why he was able to do what Odin could not.


As for RKT's knowledge/wisdom: it was directly compared to that of Odin:
http://i.imgur.com/b59DTCM.jpg
"You DO have the wisdom of Odin..."



And on that note, it was ODIN himself who masterminded/planned all of the events that led to Thor gaining the Rune-power and overcoming the Fates/TWSAIS. Odin KNEW his son's mortal traits would ultimately allow him to overcome the cycle of Ragnarok -- that's WHY he sent Thor to Earth as a mortal in the first place:
http://i.imgur.com/Skm1TvK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uX6jHv1.jpg

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As for TWSAIS: they are some of the most vague characters I have ever seen, with ridiculously overinflated/hyperbolic power... Case in point:
http://i.imgur.com/NgDlM9s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u4VCg9P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bapLsML.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Kf7kJzg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a9Bsnj1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9ET1VZl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qX86VSH.jpg
*Not only were they unable to defeat Loki, but he basically made them look like a gaggle of doltish buffoons.


Mind you, TWSAIS had hyperbole'd the shit out of their own powers in the issue prior -- they basically acted like they WERE the phucking Beyonders, lol:
http://i.imgur.com/U9dkm0N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BldHWjr.jpg

Suffice to say: their word is far from irrefutable.

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Anywho, I personally think RKT's best display of raw power is when he casually beat an amped Loki. Granted, the exact depth/scale of Loki's amp is ambiguous at best, but we still know that he was amped to *some* noteworthy degree... But even that showing doesn't skyrocket RKT to these Skyfather+++ levels that some seem to think, imo -- I could see a decently-written Odin doing the exact same thing, for example... /shrug

Beyonders unable to beat Loki? That'd be a new low, even for them.

edit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Loki speculating them to be Beyonders was refuted in the same comic.
Nowhere in the post you quoted is it refuted.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beyonders unable to beat Loki? That'd be a new low, even for them.
Firstly, that's not a refutation.

Secondly, no it wouldn't be a new low since Abyss and Ex Nihilo killed one of them and Starbrand killed another, and Thor and Hyperion beat their way through a platoon of them before being overrun.

https://i.imgur.com/Hpgpw4Em.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/sFO0L8lm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/g1hNVwhm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/VGHf28Cm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/IeeqGl1m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/VAZ8U5fm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4b5eHCVm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/i2Rsmj9m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/1IImzkgm.jpg

They were Beyonders.
Or beings from beyond if they were not Beyonders.

Yeesh.

If that's the case, then it doesn't exactly make the Beyonders look good... ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeesh.

If that's the case, then it doesn't exactly make the Beyonders look good... ermm

Originally posted by Galan007
If that's the case, then it doesn't exactly make the Beyonders look good... ermm
Neither did their encounter with the Avengers. But that's no reason to ignore the implications of the story.

SHAZAM wins.

Originally posted by Astner
Neither did their encounter with the Avengers. But that's no reason to ignore the implications of the story. I don't disagree.

I'm just saying that if indeed TWSAIS = Beyonders, then the lows they already had... Are even worse.

Those Who Sit Above In Shadows were said to be people sick of power that decided to replay life over and over endlessly.
It didn't say 'sick of power' but implied that if it happend to Thor that he would soon join them.

Originally posted by Astner

Secondly, no it wouldn't be a new low since Abyss and Ex Nihilo killed one of them
Hey there friend.

Abyss and Ex Nihilo plus the Gardners all died warping a non-reactive Beyonder into a living tree.

They didn't kill this Beyonder that never attacked or defended itself.

It just stood there, waiting for it's vulnerable shell to get warped.

Maybe it was bored and wanted to be a tree.
Originally posted by Astner

and Starbrand killed another one.
The only low showing the Beyonders have.

Although, again, it's only because they expose themselves
in vulnerable m-bodies in order to manifest within the multiverse.

Also, this Beyonder was obviously holding back coupled with being housed in a glass house.

Inside the Beyond Realm, they are like unto God.
Originally posted by Astner

and Thor and Hyperion beat their way through a platoon of them before being overrun.

Thor and Hyperion couldn't even beat ONE Beyonder.

They got their assess handed to them effortlessly by ONE Beyonder.

And they were at optimal conditions when they got owned.
So, there's no way in hell they significantly affected a single Beyonder in the platoon.
Thor was missing an arm and near death, and Hyperion was stomped nearly blind.

They literally only hit the first two Beyonders from the platoon.
These first two Beyonders were pushed back and then the overkill overwhelms them.

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I've debated this detail prior, I have scans waiting. HD close ups of the chaos.

Originally posted by Astner
Nowhere in the post you quoted is it refuted.

Loki even said they *may* have been Beyonders and said it might be a lie as well.

https://i.postimg.cc/kBGk6BmL/image.jpg



Hold on, are you saying Beyonders are Thor level?

TWSAIS seemed to toy with the gods.