Immortal Hulk vs Darkseid in physical match

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lawest9
No bfr or any other powers to be used by DS, this is a hand to hand strength match up only until one opponent is rendered unconscious or worst, only power DS can use here is to augment his strength only if he can as Hulk strength increases with rage, who wins?

BrolyBlack
Darkseid, his strength is abstract level.

carver9
Hulk kills him

deathslash
I'm giving it to Darkseid.

Eon Blue
Darkseid.

Bentley
DS is no Thing.

JBL THE GREAT
Easy win for hulk.

abhilegend
Darkseid oneshots Hulk ala Thing.

JBL THE GREAT
Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid oneshots Hulk ala Thing. Question to you... Does thing hit harder than a gas station explosion? Answer the question and i will tell you why i asked. And yes, i am the original JBL.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Question to you... Does thing hit harder than a gas station explosion? Answer the question and i will tell you why i asked. And yes, i am the original JBL.
Of course not. The same gas station would vaporise Surfer, Gladiator and Hulk.

Hulk already got koed by a gas station which was infinitely smaller than in DOS.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg

JBL THE GREAT
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course not. The same gas station would vaporise Surfer, Gladiator and Hulk.

Hulk already got koed by a gas station which was infinitely smaller than in DOS.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg Gladiator and Surfer being vaporised by that explosion that koed superman? Never going to happen to them. You havent changed a bit. You still lowball every character except superman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Gladiator and Surfer being vaporised by that explosion that koed superman? Never going to happen to them. You havent changed a bit. You still lowball every character except superman.
Of course they would. Surfer has been koed by a simple laser gun and gambit has koed Gladiator.

And you're still lowballing Superman every chance you got, even in a Hulk vs Darkseid thread.

laughing out loud

JBL THE GREAT
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course they would. Surfer has been koed by a simple laser gun and gambit has koed Gladiator.

And you're still lowballing Superman every chance you got, even in a Hulk vs Darkseid thread.

laughing out loud you missed the whole point.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid oneshots Hulk ala Thing.

Wonder why he didnt one shot Superman who was dropped by Frankenstein throwing a tractor on him? Hulk kills him.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course not. The same gas station would vaporise Surfer, Gladiator and Hulk.

Hulk already got koed by a gas station which was infinitely smaller than in DOS.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg

This is obviously more than a gas station explosion.

lawest9
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder why he didnt one shot Superman who was dropped by Frankenstein throwing a tractor on him? Hulk kills him. Because Superman is far more durable than Hulk.

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
Because Superman is far more durable than Hulk.

Hulk handke punches far better and ABHI bringing up Hulk being dropped by Thing doesnt come close to Superman being knocked out by a tractor.

lawest9
You're lowballing again, it's been consistently proven through the decades that Supes has greater durability than Hulk.

ShadowFyre
So they are the only ones lowballing huh? Y'all don't continuously low-ball marvel characters every chance y'all get? Get off the ****in gas dude. Y'all do the same shit every day

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
You're lowballing again, it's been consistently proven through the decades that Supes has greater durability than Hulk.

Against piercing damage, yes, but blunt force, no. So you're telling me that in this same thread, you dont see ABHI using Hulk and Thing fight as a reference of who would win in this battle. Scroll up please. It's a problem when I mention Superman fight against Frankenstein but ABHI mentioning the Thing fight is ok?

lawest9
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So they are the only ones lowballing huh? Y'all don't continuously low-ball marvel characters every chance y'all get? Get off the ****in gas dude. Y'all do the same shit every day Not so often as you Marvel fanboys "dude".

lawest9
Never said that it was or wasn't either way, people are going to use any means available to them to make their point, and again.......historically Clark has proven more durable than Hulk in piercing, blunt and anything else, including energy attacks.

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
Never said that it was or wasn't either way, people are going to use any means available to them to make their point, and again.......historically Clark has proven more durable than Hulk in piercing, blunt and anything else, including energy attacks.

Why didn't you point ABHI out when he mentioned the Thing showing?

You're a funny guy to think this but you're entitled to your opinion. Hulk have consistently been displayed as above elite level. This is why people cling to one low showing from the Hulk, because you'll have to go classic to find something that doesn't portray him as upper tier. This doesnt apply to Heralds, INCLUDING Superman. His blunt force is next to none.

lawest9
Originally posted by carver9
Why didn't you point ABHI out when he mentioned the Thing showing?

You're a funny guy to think this but you're entitled to your opinion. Hulk have consistently been displayed as above elite level. This is why people cling to one low showing from the Hulk, because you'll have to go classic to find something that doesn't portray him as upper tier. This doesnt apply to Heralds, INCLUDING Superman. His blunt force is next to none. Remember that I've already proven in another thread I created about the Hulk being one shotted by some well below his strength level, rather you believe he was one shotted or beaten down throughout the fight........it proves that his Blount durability is not second to none, sorry........but I don't quite give even Kal-el that distinction.

JBL THE GREAT
Originally posted by carver9
Why didn't you point ABHI out when he mentioned the Thing showing?

You're a funny guy to think this but you're entitled to your opinion. Hulk have consistently been displayed as above elite level. This is why people cling to one low showing from the Hulk, because you'll have to go classic to find something that doesn't portray him as upper tier. This doesnt apply to Heralds, INCLUDING Superman. His blunt force is next to none. look at it this way Carver, Thing fans can now say that he has dynamic strength and dropped his mental blocks and got 10 times stronger.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Against piercing damage, yes, but blunt force, no. So you're telling me that in this same thread, you dont see ABHI using Hulk and Thing fight as a reference of who would win in this battle. Scroll up please. It's a problem when I mention Superman fight against Frankenstein but ABHI mentioning the Thing fight is ok?

Tbf, didn't you say Franky was top tier? Able to contend with Saitama in One Punch Man?

Lemme know if you need a refresher on your post thumb up

lawest9
So we can consider Ben a true Class 100+?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by lawest9
Not so often as you Marvel fanboys "dude".

Actually, I'm pretty sure you guys do it more often.

PS. We're on the Internet, everyone calls each other dude on it, even chicks lol. Relax a bit.

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
Remember that I've already proven in another thread I created about the Hulk being one shotted by some well below his strength level, rather you believe he was one shotted or beaten down throughout the fight........it proves that his Blount durability is not second to none, sorry........but I don't quite give even Kal-el that distinction.

You didnt prove anything though and then you mentioned classic showing when Hulk has had around 9 major upgrades after that.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, didn't you say Franky was top tier? Able to contend with Saitama in One Punch Man?

Lemme know if you need a refresher on your post thumb up

I did? When did I say Frank was on Saitama level? Are you twisting my words again? I think Saitama would one punch kill Hulk, Superman and Wonder Woman with one blow. I sure as heck wouldn't say Franky is on his level.

carver9
Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
look at it this way Carver, Thing fans can now say that he has dynamic strength and dropped his mental blocks and got 10 times stronger.

Lol... agreed.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I did? When did I say Frank was on Saitama level? Are you twisting my words again? I think Saitama would one punch kill Hulk, Superman and Wonder Woman with one blow. I sure as heck wouldn't say Franky is on his level.

Did you not create a BZ challenge with Franky on one side (together with some others...I think Ares?) And Saitama on the other?

lawest9
Originally posted by carver9
You didnt prove anything though and then you mentioned classic showing when Hulk has had around 9 major upgrades after that. The Samson incident happened around the time of the just before the John Byrne era when he went over to DC to depower Superman who has also had a number of upgrades as well, to the point where he can now one shot multi universal entities, Supes is still far ahead of him.

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
The Samson incident happened around the time of the just before the John Byrne era when he went over to DC to depower Superman who has also had a number of upgrades as well, to the point where he can now one shot multi universal entities, Supes is still far ahead of him.

What multiversal entities did normal Superman one shot? Scans. I know what Samson showings you're talking about. This doesnt apply to current Hulk. Sorry.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Did you not create a BZ challenge with Franky on one side (together with some others...I think Ares?) And Saitama on the other?

So it wasnt Franky by himself?

DarkSaint85
Who would you add to Franky to be on Saitama's level?

Bear in mind you literally just said in this thread (hehe, got ya!!!) That Saitama would one shot kill Hulk WW and Supes in one blow......

So you think the group that you added on Franky's side would be >>> than these three?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who would you add to Franky to be on Saitama's level?

Bear in mind you literally just said in this thread (hehe, got ya!!!) That Saitama would one shot kill Hulk WW and Supes in one blow......

So you think the group that you added on Franky's side would be >>> than these three?

I think the 3 I named would be more powerful than fbe group that I put together in that thread. I intentionally made that thread due to someone I was debating against saying Saitama is a meta (a couple of people). So I brought it here to challenge you all.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I think the 3 I named would be more powerful than fbe group that I put together in that thread. I intentionally made that thread due to someone I was debating against saying Saitama is a meta (a couple of people). So I brought it here to challenge you all.

So you made a spite AND bait thread?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you made a spite AND bait thread?

Nope. Just because I felt a certain way doesnt mean you all did. People already disagreed with how I felt about the character, so I created a challenge. I think Hulk would punch most trans tiers jaw out of socket and I'm sure a lot of you disagree with that. smile

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Nope. Just because I felt a certain way doesnt mean you all did. People already disagreed with how I felt about the character, so I created a challenge. I think Hulk would punch most trans tiers jaw out of socket and I'm sure a lot of you disagree with that. smile

This was your team.




So IS Franky a top tier or not?

If yes, then him beating Superman is hardly a low feat like Thing beating Hulk, because he's on Superman's level. He's just that strong.

If no, then, you made a spite and bait thread, especially as you believe Saitama can one shot kill WW, Superman AND Hulk in ONE hit smile

Either way, you're wrong as per usual lmao.

Diesldude

lawest9
Originally posted by carver9
What multiversal entities did normal Superman one shot? Scans. I know what Samson showings you're talking about. This doesnt apply to current Hulk. Sorry. Sorry can't do scans right now, and the multuversal I'm talking about is the one that got threads about him prohibited on this forum, you seem to have a selective memory, and as for the Samson issue, rather it applies to current Hulk or not........it did happen.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
you missed the whole point. Originally posted by carver9
This is obviously more than a gas station explosion.
laughing out loud

carver9
Originally posted by lawest9
Sorry can't do scans right now, and the multuversal I'm talking about is the one that got threads about him prohibited on this forum, you seem to have a selective memory, and as for the Samson issue, rather it applies to current Hulk or not........it did happen.

Are you talking about the World Forger showing where Superman was TREMENDOUSLY amped?

Yep, it didnt happen. Sad it doesnt mean anything to current Hulk who stands in one spot tanking hits from High Herald level power.

lawest9
It DID happen brother at that time, THAT is the point that I am trying to make.

Bentley
Guys, let not pretend Thing wouldn't drop Darkseid with his sunday punch. He would

JBL THE GREAT
Originally posted by Bentley
Guys, let not pretend Thing wouldn't drop Darkseid with his sunday punch. He would Thats right. Thing was losing bad, went and got at talking from lois, mongul.... Or whatever that woman name was, cut lose, dropped his mental blocks and got a massive strength boost from dynamic strength and one shot DD, Probes.... I mean hulk. 👍

-Pr-
Be on topic or be banned. Simple.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk kills him

But we both know DS strength is much higher than Hulk

carver9
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
But we both know DS strength is much higher than Hulk

It is? Why?

BrolyBlack
So you think Things punch would break DS?

deathslash
Oh god, are we doing that thing where we go off of the lowest showing that a character has? I would have honestly hoped that we were past this by now.

We should go off of their more impressive showings. Hulk was beating a team consisting of Thor, Ghost Rider, a significantly amped She Hulk, Black Panther, Captain America, and Iron Man. Meanwhile, Darkseid beat a team consisting of two Kryptonians, a djiin, earth 2 Batman, and a multiversally amped green Lantern....

-K-M-
The immortal Hulk hype brings me joy as it elevates Immortal Sasquatch

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ELHFyGeJryd5m/source.gif

Stoic
Originally posted by -K-M-
The immortal Hulk hype brings me joy as it elevates Immortal Sasquatch

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ELHFyGeJryd5m/source.gif

Yeah, I think Walter's about to get a decent push.

-K-M-

carver9
He did have a good showing against the Hulk. He did better than most tbh. I think Sasquash was dipping in his Tanaraq power. smile

-K-M-

SquallX
Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about the World Forger showing where Superman was TREMENDOUSLY amped?

Yep, it didnt happen. Sad it doesnt mean anything to current Hulk who stands in one spot tanking hits from High Herald level power.

Funny you're so quick to deny Superman his feats, but turn a blind eye for Hulk.

Diesldude
Hulk is no match for DS.

Bentley

Bentley
Why are people focusing so much on lowballing Hulk instead of bringing arguments on DS being physically impressive.

We talk Superman (who isn't here) and Frankenstein (who is clearly Hulk apparently?) but we haven't established DS's physical level really. Superman dwarfs DS physically in every way that counts, whenever he puts up a fight it's pretty much due to Kal's mental blocks and I don't see that as something debatable. His Omega Beams and Omega Effect with the rest of his versatility is really what puts him beyond Superman, not physical stats.

Does DS have showings manhandle several high level bricks at once? Thanos has several of those and a tried and proved durabilty soak, DS has been put down in a few attacks a number of times. So please, can we really established how Darkseid fares physically against bricks before trying to drown the argument by criticizing a rather competent version of Hulk?

abhilegend
Which bricks have brought Darkseid down in a few blows? Darkseid's record is ****ing insane against characters not named Superman and is easily superior to Thanos, forget about Hulk.

Bentley
Doomsday

abhilegend
Originally posted by Bentley
Doomsday
Doomsday was so much beyond Superman in Hunter Prey, it's not even funny.


It should be noted that at this point in his chronology, Superman's natural powers were already MASSIVELY amped due to his exposure to Kryptonite X...

When Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
https://i.imgur.com/A5Fc715.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZUOr1em.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMFlneF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PpaVx4Q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JqED6sp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TL1K0F7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jsqwvoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8uYRKnL.jpg
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
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Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...

"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
https://i.imgur.com/KgUftR4.jpg

"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than EVER before!":
https://i.imgur.com/vyiofCJ.jpg
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Superman's amp was then expanded on...

Hamilton: "You're absorbing solar radiation --and OTHER energies-- much faster than EVER before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite -- call it Kryptonite-X."

Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"

Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
https://i.imgur.com/O04ni6h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kuppq8g.jpg
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Superman himself mentioned his increased power during the H/P arc(before he had even obtained a MotherBox)...

"I'm BETTER than before, too! STRONGER.":
https://i.imgur.com/DNjZeeh.jpg
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His amplified power during the H/P-era was reinforced again here...

"After his recovery, was stronger than EVER. Good thing, too -- 'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the EXTRA power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to HELP HIM stand up to Doomsday.":
https://i.imgur.com/xTntuCb.jpg



So as you can see- during the events of the H/P arc, Superman's natural abilities were hyper-amped to such an extent that he compared the power behind his LIGHTEST TAP to that of his BEST HAYMAKER before the amp.. And what was his BEST HAYMAKER previously? I'd say it was undoubtedly the final blow he used to 'kill' DoS Doomsday:
https://i.imgur.com/6dZAU4m.jpg

...Food for thought.


That being said, MotherBox sensed the threat H/P Doomsday posed, and amped/equipped Superman specifically to handle him. IOW, it was an AMP on top of Superman's existing AMP:
https://i.imgur.com/4RGKnUR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9SoKBzh.jpg
"MotherBox sensed the situation, and armed me for battle with Doomsday! Hopefully I've caught up to Doomsday's next level of evolution!"

...Yet the amp it gleaned STILL wasn't remotely enough to contend with Doomsday, which is absolutely staggering given what MotherBox can do.

You would have better chance lowballing Odin because Mangog oneshotted him. In silver age.

Bentley
Let's admit that HP Doomsday it's all the physical powerhouse you pretend him to be. That doesn't mean Darkseid can tank any number of heralds below him and he still got handled rather quickly by DD so he's orders of magnitude weaker.

It might be easier if you just post scans of DS physically tangling with high tiers that would overpower Hulk.

Philosophía
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120870/2639741-lobo_vs_darkseid.jpg http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120870/2639742-lobo_vs_superman.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by Bentley
Let's admit that HP Doomsday it's all the physical powerhouse you pretend him to be. That doesn't mean Darkseid can tank any number of heralds below him and he still got handled rather quickly by DD so he's orders of magnitude weaker.

Pretend to be? Who's pretending?

Well he can overpower Thing that's for sure. Also he has overpowered both Hal and Diana at the same time, overpowered Superman in a bearhug, Batman said entire Justice League doesn't stands a chance against him, he tanked boom tubes closing on him which cracked the entire space time continuum.

Luthor with a portion of his power was going toe to toe with Mobius who overpowered Ultraman casually and killed him.

Oh and he destroyed a planet clashing with Highfather.

Stoic
But the Hulk adapts in his own way much like Doomsday, and has no known upper limit to his strength.

Diesldude
DS gives him the Zeus treatment but much worseZ

Stoic
Originally posted by Diesldude
DS gives him the Zeus treatment but much worseZ

You realize that the Hulk wasn't there to fight Zeus right? He went to ask for his help, and Zeus was the aggressor. Did you see how well Wonder Woman did against Darkseid? Let's not pretend that he's Thanos.

Diesldude

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Pretend to be? Who's pretending?

Well he can overpower Thing that's for sure. Also he has overpowered both Hal and Diana at the same time, overpowered Superman in a bearhug, Batman said entire Justice League doesn't stands a chance against him, he tanked boom tubes closing on him which cracked the entire space time continuum.

Luthor with a portion of his power was going toe to toe with Mobius who overpowered Ultraman casually and killed him.

Oh and he destroyed a planet clashing with Highfather.

And Diana has worked Darkseid. Also, Hulk showings against teams are just as good and on some occasions, it's better. Hulk is cracking high Herald skulls in a punch and overloading Vibranium, nearly killing Tony inside of his armor with a thunder clap. You seem desperate continuously mentioning Thing as if that showing hinders Hulk capabilities and what hes done. Wonder why the mods isnt in here saying something.

carver9
Which showing is worse Diesldude? The Zeus fight or Darkseid vs Wonder Woman?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Stoic
You realize that the Hulk wasn't there to fight Zeus right? He went to ask for his help, and Zeus was the aggressor. Did you see how well Wonder Woman did against Darkseid? Let's not pretend that he's Thanos.
Darkseid was retconned as not having his full power there.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
And Diana has worked Darkseid.

Never did.

Why? Thing beating Hulk is legit, you've a problem, go to mods.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Never did.

Why? Thing beating Hulk is legit, you've a problem, go to mods.

Diana had him on his knees at one point.

Lol...glad you said this. So glad.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Diana had him on his knees at one point.

Lol...glad you said this. So glad.
That's like saying bullets blow half of Hulk's head out so he is bullets level. Darkseid was never beaten.

facepalm

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's like saying bullets blow half of Hulk's head out so he is bullets level. Darkseid was never beaten.

facepalm

He was losing. Diana gave him fits. A Herald, and, he wasnt mind controlled.

Diesldude
Originally posted by carver9
He was losing. Diana gave him fits. A Herald, and, he wasnt mind controlled. you have scans?

And Diana > thing is you want to go off a single showings

carver9
Originally posted by Diesldude
you have scans?

And Diana > thing is you want to go off a single showings

Happily...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2019/02/03/wonder-woman-vs-darkseid-wonder-woman-vol-5-44/amp/

Good thing is, Darkseid wasnt being controlled like Hulk was during his fight against Thing. No context involved.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Happily...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicnewbies.com/2019/02/03/wonder-woman-vs-darkseid-wonder-woman-vol-5-44/amp/

Good thing is, Darkseid wasnt being controlled like Hulk was during his fight against Thing. No context involved.

Lol, did you read the comment at the end of the page?

Bentley
^ That doesn't look like Darkseid physically dominating several heralds at one. He did seem to be on Diana's league at least though, so he'd put out a decent fight here either way.

Stoic

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, did you read the comment at the end of the page?

Per forum rules, we use the Hulk at his best not poorest. Should people bring up Supermans defeat at the hands of the Fatal Five as proof against him? It wouldn't be fair right?

Diesldude

Stoic

AlbertoJohnAvil
lol he swatted her than she came back and discolated his arm

-K-M-

-K-M-
Originally posted by Stoic
But she kept coming back, and defeated him.

By the power of love. Not by her own power

AlbertoJohnAvil
Let me pull an Abhi since he likes to do this alot:

if you think that's hilarious that Diana did that good against Darkseid just look at this.

Aquaman literally outperfoms her strength wise.

Diana hits get shrugged off by Poseidon while Arthur floored him with a punch.

on the next page... LITERALLY
laughing out loud

https://i.postimg.cc/Lh7MzrvZ/tas.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/crqb1ZXT/ans.jpg

But hey if you wanna base Hulk off a single showing like the Thing, by all means this is perfectly comparable

Diesldude
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol he swatted her than she came back and discolated his arm bro what scan are you taking about

lawest9
Could someone please post a scan of Thing flooring Hulk?

Diesldude

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
He was losing. Diana gave him fits. A Herald, and, he wasnt mind controlled.
How was he losing when she said that in end she can't beat him?

Diesldude

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol he swatted her than she came back and discolated his arm
Where did she dislocated his arm? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Let me pull an Abhi since he likes to do this alot:

if you think that's hilarious that Diana did that good against Darkseid just look at this.

Aquaman literally outperfoms her strength wise.

Diana hits get shrugged off by Poseidon while Arthur floored him with a punch.

on the next page... LITERALLY
laughing out loud

https://i.postimg.cc/Lh7MzrvZ/tas.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/crqb1ZXT/ans.jpg

But hey if you wanna base Hulk off a single showing like the Thing, by all means this is perfectly comparable
So? Aquaman has been WW tier since new 52 started and under Snyder he is beating Martians and fought Diana to a double ko.

Is this supposed to mean something?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did she dislocated his arm?
So? Aquaman has been WW tier since new 52 started and under Snyder he is beating Martians and fought Diana to a double ko.

Is this supposed to mean something?

ABSOLUTELY. Aquaman is NOWHERE on Hulk level STRENGTH wise. Don't you dare even argue he is

carver9
@Diesldude, lol, he was trying

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
How was he losing when she said that in end she can't beat him?

She also said she doesnt need the league to beat him.

deathslash
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ABSOLUTELY. Aquaman is NOWHERE on Hulk level STRENGTH wise. Don't you dare even argue he is ......didn't Arthur move one of the tectonic plates?

Regardless, Darkseid has still beaten a team consisting of Val Zod, Powergirl, Red Tornado, Earth 2 Batman, Doctor Fate, Flash, Hawkgirl, and a multiversally amped avatar of the green. He should win.
Originally posted by carver9
She also said she doesnt need the league to beat him.
Which was proven to be blatantly false when she didn't beat him......

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by deathslash
......didn't Arthur move one of the tectonic plates?

Regardless, Darkseid has still beaten a team consisting of Val Zod, Powergirl, Red Tornado, Earth 2 Batman, Doctor Fate, Flash, Hawkgirl, and a multiversally amped avatar of the green. He should win.

Which was proven to be blatantly false when she didn't beat him......

Power girl blooded him though. That's impressive to you?

What strength feats has anyone on the team shown comparable to Hulk's?

New 52 Fate isn't exactly a high tier brick, neither is New 52 Flash, Hawkgirl, Red Tornado, or..... Earth 2 Batman.....?

Alan Scott's the most impressive though

-K-M-

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
ABSOLUTELY. Aquaman is NOWHERE on Hulk level STRENGTH wise. Don't you dare even argue he is
Why? He is a solid top tier and arguably equal to WW. Unless you think WW is nowhere near Hulk that is.

AlbertoJohnAvil
New 52 Seid did overpower Diana with one arm

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? He is a solid top tier and arguably equal to WW. Unless you think WW is nowhere near Hulk that is.

You think Aquaman is on par with Hulk?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
She also said she doesnt need the league to beat him.
That was before she said she can't beat him. She realized it later that she can't beat him.

Philosophía
Darkseid was treating her like his 5 year old hyperactive daughter, bothering him while he is reading a paper.

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Power girl blooded him though. That's impressive to you?

What strength feats has anyone on the team shown comparable to Hulk's?

Val Zod is outright stronger than Brutaal who stomped Alan. Alan in the same arc kept entire Earth immobilzed while it was getting moved to Apokolips by a boom tube.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alan is stopping Earth from moving and Brutaal and Val are about to throw down.

http://i.imgur.com/fBBuPobs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HGpzILQs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3QD5veis.jpg

Crazy showing for Alan and Brutaal.
Confirmed again.

PG is even stronger than Val Zod.

What feats does Hulk has compared to this?

https://s5d3.turboimg.net/sp/2c4313624a23d77febd5824e5692e9dc/8129926.jpg



laughing out loud

Everything needs to be a brick, eh?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
Val Zod is outright stronger than Brutaal who stomped Alan. Alan in the same arc kept entire Earth immobilzed while it was getting moved to Apokolips by a boom tube.

PG is even stronger than Val Zod.

What feats does Hulk has compared to this?





laughing out loud

Everything needs to be a brick, eh?

Several

Exitar feat for example big grin

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Several

Exitar feat for example big grin
Not Immortal Hulk, Hulk only kept a machine together and that event never occurred when history got reset.

Feats for Immortal Hulk kid, where are they?

AlbertoJohnAvil
laughing out loud I mean I don't know man he was apparently "amped" by all his high ends according to you

deathslash
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Power girl blooded him though. That's impressive to you?

What strength feats has anyone on the team shown comparable to Hulk's?

New 52 Fate isn't exactly a high tier brick, neither is New 52 Flash, Hawkgirl, Red Tornado, or..... Earth 2 Batman.....?

Alan Scott's the most impressive though >an all out Kryptonian that's directly related to Superman hurts him

>still gets her ass kicked multiple times by him even when backed up by a team consisting of a multiversal avatar of the green, a Kryptonian that matched an amped clone of superman, a ruthless version of Batman that has the powers of Hourman, a guy that can literally push people into eternity, doctor freaking Fate, and numerous more

This somehow isn't impressive.

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
laughing out loud I mean I don't know man he was apparently "amped" by all his high ends according to you
So you got nothing? Gotcha.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
>an all out Kryptonian that's directly related to Superman hurts him

>still gets her ass kicked multiple times by him even when backed up by a team consisting of a multiversal avatar of the green, a Kryptonian that matched an amped clone of superman, a ruthless version of Batman that has the powers of Hourman, a guy that can literally push people into eternity, doctor freaking Fate, and numerous more

This somehow isn't impressive.
Don't you know, nobody there was Thor who got his skull cracked. So not impressive at all.

Bentley
Darkseid obviously has a bunch of other Powers that allow him to dispose of the likes of Doctor Fate and an Avatar of the Green. We are trying to use his physical feats in which beating either of those is not so impressive.

I guess it's valid to give him good durability at the very least though.

AlbertoJohnAvil
point exactly bentley

abhilegend
Well of course, PG snatched his eye and tanked his omega beams. But somehow later she was beaten by those same omega beams at half power.

That makes sense.

ermm

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
point exactly bentley
laughing out loud

So PG tanked his omega beams at full power but was beaten by half of the omega beams?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

So PG tanked his omega beams at full power but was beaten by half of the omega beams?

What are you talking about

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you talking about
How exactly did Darkseid beat that team?

deathslash
Originally posted by Bentley
Darkseid obviously has a bunch of other Powers that allow him to dispose of the likes of Doctor Fate and an Avatar of the Green. We are trying to use his physical feats in which beating either of those is not so impressive.

I guess it's valid to give him good durability at the very least though. he ended up beating both Val and Powergirl with his fists:
https://m.imgur.com/a/zvJCs

Beats Green Lantern with ease and breaks his arm:
https://m.imgur.com/a/uTB8m

He was evenly matched with Anti-monitor (who specifically had to eat multiple realities in order to even be a threat):
https://m.imgur.com/nipgp3D

Stoic

Adam Grimes
So Hulk gets to fight at his most extreme levels -saw only once- but Flashes don't just because?

Come on, friend.

carver9
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you talking about

I forgot about that showing. Powergirl did good against him as well.

carver9
Also, I want to point out that I dont care if Hulk was World Breaker or not, Zeus still wouldve wrecked him. Pak outright said Zeus IS God. His mindset was pretty high of Zeus and his kind. Darkseid teamed up with the Justice League wouldve gotten treated like fodder as well.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by carver9
Also, I want to point out that I dont care if Hulk was World Breaker or not, Zeus still wouldve wrecked him. Pak outright said Zeus IS God. His mindset was pretty high of Zeus and his kind. Darkseid teamed up with the Justice League wouldve gotten treated like fodder as well.

How bad of a beating would WBH gotten from Zeus vs what WWH got

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So Hulk gets to fight at his most extreme levels -saw only once- but Flashes don't just because?

Come on, friend.

Fam

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
That's not how it works. In a forum setting the Hulk wouldn't have been holding back due to plot, and being on Earth while asking Zeus for help. People bring up the flashes ability to speed steal, while saying that he would fight at multiple time the speed of light, but when does he do this in a comic book? Everyone seems to be argued at max but the Hulk is always lowballed, which is exactly what you're doing at the moment. The Hulk exceeded Zeus power levels while he was in the Dark Dimension. Forum regulations make it clear that they battle on neutral ground. The Hulk could've gone world breaker on Zeus, but instead he held back so that he wouldn't kill Earth. We know that he's capable of this based on his performance in the Dark Dimension. The Hulk was operating at a level that would've vaporized Diana.

Full potential =/= ignorance of character.

Speed steal doesn't kill. WBH....Does. it's pretty simple.

You act as of speedstealing is us arguing Flash is at full potential, lol.

When it's not.

carver9
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How bad of a beating would WBH gotten from Zeus vs what WWH got

Probably worse because Zeus wouldve upped his power. I think Zeus was still holding back.

BrolyBlack
Well at least you have not gone full carver on that one.

StiltmanFTW
That was the best showing Zeus has ever gotten.

WBH would rape him. Zeus is a wimp who got humbled by Ares and stalemated by Zuras, a spear thrown by a cannon fodder titan (who didn't even have a good position to throw the damn thing, as he was climbing) almost killed him, etc.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Full potential =/= ignorance of character.

Speed steal doesn't kill. WBH....Does. it's pretty simple.

You act as of speedstealing is us arguing Flash is at full potential, lol.

When it's not.

Bullshit, and the "US" has been noted. I never said anything about the Hulk operating out of character. In fact I made a strong point of mentioning why Zeus kicked his ass instead of the other way around. No Sky Father is destroying an entire Solar System as a side effect of a punch. What you do is attempt to nullify, or minimalize Hulk's feats at every given chance, while arguing how the Flash would turn every opponent that he meets into a statue. Now let's switch Speed with no known upper limit, with strength with no known upper limit. I don't want to read any phucking But, buts out of you, because you've done the speed kills thing quite a few times without mentioning character.

In a forum setting that the Hulk does not have to worry about killing innocents he'd go ham on Darkseid, who has an extremely suspect chin.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That was the best showing Zeus has ever gotten.

WBH would rape him. Zeus is a wimp who got humbled by Ares and stalemated by Zuras, a spear thrown by a cannon fodder titan (who didn't even have a good position to throw the damn thing, as he was climbing) almost killed him, etc.

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StiltmanFTW
Too bad.

I know Zeus is supposed to be equal to Classic Odin, but his actual showings leave much to be desired.

As for WBH, we don't know Hulk's limits in that form, so it's quite hard to say what power it would take to stop him.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
Bullshit, and the "US" has been noted. I never said anything about the Hulk operating out of character. In fact I made a strong point of mentioning why Zeus kicked his ass instead of the other way around. No Sky Father is destroying an entire Solar System as a side effect of a punch. What you do is attempt to nullify, or minimalize Hulk's feats at every given chance, while arguing how the Flash would turn every opponent that he meets into a statue. Now let's switch Speed with no known upper limit, with strength with no known upper limit. I don't want to read any phucking But, buts out of you, because you've done the speed kills thing quite a few times without mentioning character.

In a forum setting that the Hulk does not have to worry about killing innocents he'd go ham on Darkseid, who has an extremely suspect chin.

Speedsteal doesn't kill.

IF you really want to argue no limits, full potential, then Flash (Wally) is travelling through time, creating time clones, boiling his opponent's blood, burning their eyes out, exploding them from the inside out etc. Here's an example of him burning eyes:
https://i.postimg.cc/DzHXxsK3/16.jpg

And THAT is what a full potential Flash is doing. Out of character, in forum threads. Compared to that, a speedsteal is nothing. Hell, it's something he has done to characters he calls friends.

As per Ewing, with Immortal Hulk:
https://i.postimg.cc/524VxtXg/RCO018.jpg

It's not just innocents. It's killing, period. The Hulk does not kill. When he DID kill, it was 'a long-held line' that had been crossed.

Don't get upset just because you don't know the character.

In short: arguing that Flash speedsteals, is NOT OOC, ESPECIALLY compared to what he COULD do, IF we truly wanted to argue all powers. But arguing that Hulk kills, when it's a long-held line that he doesn't, IS OOC.

lawest9
For real?

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speedsteal doesn't kill.

IF you really want to argue no limits, full potential, then Flash (Wally) is travelling through time, creating time clones, boiling his opponent's blood, burning their eyes out, exploding them from the inside out etc. Here's an example of him burning eyes:
https://i.postimg.cc/DzHXxsK3/16.jpg

And THAT is what a full potential Flash is doing. Out of character, in forum threads. Compared to that, a speedsteal is nothing. Hell, it's something he has done to characters he calls friends.

As per Ewing, with Immortal Hulk:
https://i.postimg.cc/524VxtXg/RCO018.jpg

It's not just innocents. It's killing, period. The Hulk does not kill. When he DID kill, it was 'a long-held line' that had been crossed.

Don't get upset just because you don't know the character.

In short: arguing that Flash speedsteals, is NOT OOC, ESPECIALLY compared to what he COULD do, IF we truly wanted to argue all powers. But arguing that Hulk kills, when it's a long-held line that he doesn't, IS OOC.

DS I was busting your balls earlier, but it's true that in a neutral zone all characters would perfom differently, especially ones that generally care about innocent lives. An unhinged Hulk would be capable of staying staying neck and neck with Doomsday, and even surpassing his adaptation abilities. The Hulk adapts as well. Darkseid would be facing an opponent that he would not be able to KO.

I'm ignoring the Thing showing, because the Hulk took a dive, which as soon as the people in the story turned their heads he got up and split. It's extremely ignorant to believe that Ben KO'd the Hulk after he laughed off getting his face caved in by Grand Master Prime. He laughed that punch off. He'd laugh Darkseid's punches off as well, but Darkseid wouldn't be able to do the same.

Stoic
Oh yeah and you can't compare speed to strength like you're doing because it's obvious that they have different effects on the environment. I'm saying that you always attempt to minimalize what the Hulk can and has done with his strength. You'll chime in to give examples of the Flash, while cadering to to lowballing nonsense that goes against the Hulk.

Stoic
DS, you've posted what the Flash has done to COIE Anti Monitor. Don't bullshit me. Speed kills remember?

DarkSaint85
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DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
DS I was busting your balls earlier, but it's true that in a neutral zone all characters would perfom differently, especially ones that generally care about innocent lives. An unhinged Hulk would be capable of staying staying neck and neck with Doomsday, and even surpassing his adaptation abilities. The Hulk adapts as well. Darkseid would be facing an opponent that he would not be able to KO.

I'm ignoring the Thing showing, because the Hulk took a dive, which as soon as the people in the story turned their heads he got up and split. It's extremely ignorant to believe that Ben KO'd the Hulk after he laughed off getting his face caved in by Grand Master Prime. He laughed that punch off. He'd laugh Darkseid's punches off as well, but Darkseid wouldn't be able to do the same.

Hulk cares about ALL lives. Not just innocent ones. Why do you ignore this??

Originally posted by Stoic
DS, you've posted what the Flash has done to COIE Anti Monitor. Don't bullshit me. Speed kills remember?

He punched AM really hard and really fast, and was happy he did it.

Hulk/Banner killed a guy who earlier was cutting and slicing him up for fun and for science, and felt incredibly guilty afterwards.

No BS. Contrast Banner up there with:
https://i.postimg.cc/t4yVj20r/atmon15-2.jpg

Now, let's argue as per forum rules, WITHOUT ignoring character.

Flash looks happy to do what it takes to win. Hulk.....Has a line he wouldn't cross. Even with people who are hurting him for fun.

You think I'm applying double standards? No. You don't understand the character and the arguments I make. Not minimising the Hulk, am simply pointing out the errors you and others make, in seriousness. Which yes, aren't apparent when Flash supporters make them.

Nor am I some kind of feat police, despite what MrMind says.

Stoic
He cares so much that he recently ate a character that wasn't innocent. He knows who Darkseid is. He'd let loose on him.

Diesldude
Originally posted by Stoic
He cares so much that he recently ate a character that wasn't innocent. He knows who Darkseid is. He'd let loose on him.

What LOL. when did this happen? I always thought Hulk didn't cross that line, That's one reason I started to like the character until carver ruined him.

Stoic
You seem to believe that I'm saying that he'd go for the kill. I'm saying that he'd go for broke without killing him by stopping once Darkseid has been become incapable of fighting back. Does that mean punches that could destroy planets? Yes , if that's what it takes.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Diesldude
What LOL. when did this happen? I always thought Hulk didn't cross that line, That's one reason I started to like the character until carver ruined him.

It's in my scan.

Immortal Hulk #8.

Afterwards, Banner is consumed by guilt.

Diesldude
Originally posted by Stoic
That's not how it works. In a forum setting the Hulk wouldn't have been holding back due to plot, and being on Earth while asking Zeus for help. People bring up the flashes ability to speed steal, while saying that he would fight at multiple time the speed of light, but when does he do this in a comic book? Everyone seems to be argued at max but the Hulk is always lowballed, which is exactly what you're doing at the moment. The Hulk exceeded Zeus power levels while he was in the Dark Dimension. Forum regulations make it clear that they battle on neutral ground. The Hulk could've gone world breaker on Zeus, but instead he held back so that he wouldn't kill Earth. We know that he's capable of this based on his performance in the Dark Dimension. The Hulk was operating at a level that would've vaporized Diana.

That was world breaker and that was a shared feat. LOL you guys have to agree how destructive that feat is. Planetary, dimensional, solar system?

The destruction was probably a chain reaction of the gamma energy that was leaking out of them + the force created from their collision. It wasn't all physical, and a sky father can replicate this feat because they have other powers that are just as destructive if not more

A younger version of DS ate DC's version of Zeus and he was portrayed as a sky father level being.

Zeus beat the ever living crap out of the Hulk
DS ate his company's version of Zeus.

DS wins this easy.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to believe that I'm saying that he'd go for the kill. I'm saying that he'd go for broke without killing him by stopping once Darkseid has been become incapable of fighting back. Does that mean punches that could destroy planets? Yes , if that's what it takes.

Whilst DS would go for the kill straight away.

My point, incidentally, is that this is NOT the same as a speedsteal from Flash. NOT the same as Flash using his full speed. Because we always have the CIP/CIS rule in effect. Characters fight....in character.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Diesldude
That was world breaker and that was a shared feat. LOL you guys have to agree how destructive that feat is. Planetary, dimensional, solar system?

The destruction was probably a chain reaction of the gamma energy that was leaving out of them and their collision. It wasn't physical, and a sky father can replicate this feat because they have other powers that is just as destructive if not more as the gamma energy that was leaking out of the hulks.

A younger version of DS ate DC's version of Zeus and he was portrayed as a sky father level being.

There were also specific circumstances leading up to that, where Hulk wished everyone would keep coming back, unharmed, from his punches. THAT'S why he could finally let loose.

Diesldude
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There were also specific circumstances leading up to that, where Hulk wished everyone would keep coming back, unharmed, from his punches. THAT'S why he could finally let loose.

thumb up yep.

Diesldude

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