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Justice league as pictured (rebirth)
VS
Magneto(shield up)

Mags is at peak levels

no bfr

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Thinking Magneto has a chance in hell is so nice.

Originally posted by SquallX


Thinking Magneto has a chance in hell is so nice.

lol what.. really?

heres dr polaris beating most the league easily. and again post crisis where the league members are more powerful then now

https://i.postimg.cc/06yT6RtK/1h.jpg


That was a Jokerized Dr. Polaris. He haxed 1 of the Earth's magnetic poles in such a way that he basically became that magnetic pole. That hax amped him to half-planet level at most.

per how Diana got haxed by that Dr. Polaris, in real life, Magnetic Induction is used to generate High Voltage electricity. In fact, Magnetic Induction is part of the Power Generation system for Radiology Equipment including MRI, Diagnostic X-Ray, CT-Scan, Bone Densitometry, Radiation Therapy, etc.

there's also this storyline where Supes fought an opponent near and/or at the Earth's core, both his and Wraith's powers are affected by Magnetic Field Flux (as per Supes own confirmation). Mags has EASILY haxed the Earth's Magnetic Field Flux to amp his powers and/or to hax opponents. I'm not saying the JL couldn't win, but you could make a case for Mags personally what I think.

feel free to correct me if im wrong

https://i.postimg.cc/HcBRdS04/sha.jpg

But in that storyline with Polaris, he didn't do anything against Supes or Flash...hell, most of your lineup didn't face Polaris/were taken down by him.

Otoh, Cyborg has taken Polaris down on his own.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But in that storyline with Polaris, he didn't do anything against Supes or Flash...hell, most of your lineup didn't face Polaris/were taken down by him.

Otoh, Cyborg has taken Polaris down on his own.

But like Mags doesn't need to be amped like Polaris was to mess with their bloods/iron etc lol

Flash, Superman or Wonder Woman solo.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But like Mags doesn't need to be amped like Polaris was to mess with their bloods/iron etc lol

He messed with MMH's blood, that's it.

There was nothing he could do against Flash. All he did against Superman was throw shipwrecks (which this fight doesn't have). He tased Batman, and WW.

That still leaves Cyborg and Aquaman. So out of the six in your lineup, Polaris only defeated two in your scans.

Am just saying, using Polaris isn't the best argument to support Mags.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He messed with MMH's blood, that's it.

There was nothing he could do against Flash. All he did against Superman was throw shipwrecks (which this fight doesn't have). He tased Batman, and WW.

That still leaves Cyborg and Aquaman. So out of the six in your lineup, Polaris only defeated two in your scans.

Am just saying, using Polaris isn't the best argument to support Mags.

Guess your right on that scan

@smurph

Superman's healing Factor is a direct result of his cells being charged by yellow sun radiation. Magneto's control over radiation includes sunlight. Meaning he cannot only weaken Superman but stop him from gaining more energy (yes I know Superman has spent days in the Earth's core before but he wasn't being drained simply cut off from his source of energy and running off reserves) Superman could quite possibly have to deal with both in this fight especially since Magneto can see radiation on a Quantum level so he wouldn't notice Superman's body absorbing it. I don't see brute force beating Magneto when it hasn't in the past. I think that they can win but it will be with everyone else distracting Magneto while Cyborg hides for enough away and and make some type of magnetic field dampener so they can get pass his force field.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@smurph

Superman's healing Factor is a direct result of his cells being charged by yellow sun radiation. Magneto's control over radiation includes sunlight. Meaning he cannot only weaken Superman but stop him from gaining more energy (yes I know Superman has spent days in the Earth's core before but he wasn't being drained simply cut off from his source of energy and running off reserves) Superman could quite possibly have to deal with both in this fight especially since Magneto can see radiation on a Quantum level so he wouldn't notice Superman's body absorbing it. I don't see brute force beating Magneto when it hasn't in the past. I think that they can win but it will be with everyone else distracting Magneto while Cyborg hides for enough away and and make some type of magnetic field dampener so they can get pass his force field.

A vastly weakened a Superman destroyed that planet, just saying. Whilst he's dealing with Supes, we still have the others there to run interference.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol what.. really?

heres dr polaris beating most the league easily. and again post crisis where the league members are more powerful then now

https://i.postimg.cc/06yT6RtK/1h.jpg


That was a Jokerized Dr. Polaris. He haxed 1 of the Earth's magnetic poles in such a way that he basically became that magnetic pole. That hax amped him to half-planet level at most.

per how Diana got haxed by that Dr. Polaris, in real life, Magnetic Induction is used to generate High Voltage electricity. In fact, Magnetic Induction is part of the Power Generation system for Radiology Equipment including MRI, Diagnostic X-Ray, CT-Scan, Bone Densitometry, Radiation Therapy, etc.
Magneto got almost disintegrated by trying to absorb Earth's magnetic field. That Polaris was far more powerful than Magneto.

Also how are post Crisis version stronger than rebirth version?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto got almost disintegrated by trying to absorb Earth's magnetic field. That Polaris was far more powerful than Magneto.

Also how are post Crisis version stronger than rebirth version?

When? He's done it casually before

Lmao far from it. Polaris hasn't done anything that Mags hasn't already. That giant bullet feat that Mags done is abov eanything Polaris demonstrated

PC has better strength feats than rebirth

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When? He's done it casually before

Like? Scans?

Polaris was changing Earth's orbit with every footstep there. Mind posting such a feat for Magneto?

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Show me where near death post Crisis Superman destroyed a planet by just jumping.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like? Scans?

Polaris was changing Earth's orbit with every footstep there. Mind posting such a feat for Magneto?

https://i.postimg.cc/y6tN59DQ/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YqFSw9gp/image.jpg

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Show me where near death post Crisis Superman destroyed a planet by just jumping.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The context is that the two supermen were hitting so hard that they were destroying earth and reality alongside it and living each other's life and rebuilding it. In the same fight they hit each other so hard that the boundaries of space-time shattered.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_70950400rk0.jpg

Even though superman alone destroyed the earth by his punch here?

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=18-1.jpg

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=520290&pagenumber=18

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Guess your right on that scan

Poloris did fight Superman solos though and turned off his way of absorbing solar energy AND blinded him.

@ Alberto: Was Superman near death there in those examples?

Here...

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111165155/5150070-solarvitaminshakes.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was Superman near death there?

He also punched SF Darkseid who shrugged off the Source attacks

Do you agree with Abhi on that?

I feel like it would be a superior feat, like way superior feat

Blinds him...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JJdkUPDI-mE/Ws4TDuzqKFI/AAAAAAAAfwE/1l7aRGpewxgjmmwBRGxhB9iRHCA220VOQCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_6972.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=520290&pagenumber=18
I'm talking about Magneto.

I'm all aware about Superman's feats, Superman wasn't near death there. Originally posted by carver9
Poloris did fight Superman solos though and turned off his way of absorbing solar energy AND blinded him. Originally posted by carver9
Here...

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111165155/5150070-solarvitaminshakes.jpg
And? Superman was never even trying to fight him because Polaris was insane and needed help.

Is Polaris in this thread?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He also punched SF Darkseid who shrugged off the Source attacks

Do you agree with Abhi on that?

I feel like it would be a superior feat, like way superior feat

Wait, you're now jumping to a different point, let's address the first one first.

You said that Post Crisis Supes had planetary destruction feats like Rebirth did, when Rebirth was nearly dead.

So what similar feats do you have? Because he doesn't look near dead in your scans....

Originally posted by carver9
Blinds him...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JJdkUPDI-mE/Ws4TDuzqKFI/AAAAAAAAfwE/1l7aRGpewxgjmmwBRGxhB9iRHCA220VOQCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_6972.jpg
Superman was never trying to even fight Polaris. What's your point.

And Magneto has never done anything like that. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He also punched SF Darkseid who shrugged off the Source attacks

Do you agree with Abhi on that?

I feel like it would be a superior feat, like way superior feat
If we are going by high end feats of post Crisis Superman, that would make him stronger than everyone. Say Thanos. Who has zero feats at that level.

Are you comfortable with that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about Magneto.

I'm all aware about Superman's feats, Superman wasn't near death there.
And? Superman was never even trying to fight him because Polaris was insane and needed help.

The point was, Magneto can harm him and anyone else here. It doesnt matter since anyone on the JLA could solo.

I'm just sad Phildo isn't here to see this

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was never trying to even fight Polaris. What's your point.

And Magneto has never done anything like that.
If we are going by high end feats of post Crisis Superman, that would make him stronger than everyone. Say Thanos. Who has zero feats at that level.

Are you comfortable with that?

DESTROYING a planet while "weakened" IS THE BIGGEST strength feat Rebirth Superman did so far :lol That's literally a high end for him

Meanwhile... PC Superman burst through SF Darkseid per you, so whos stronger between them?

If we go by average, Rebirth Supes is massively outclassed.

For goodness sakes Rebirth Supes was recently ko'ed by ww2 mortal shells lmao

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
DESTROYING a planet while "weakened" IS THE BIGGEST strength feat Rebirth Superman did so far :lol That's literally a high end for him

Meanwhile... PC Superman burst through SF Darkseid per you, so whos stronger between them?

If we go by average, Rebirth Supes is massively outclassed.
Why would that be unavailable for Superman?

You didn't answer as expected. Does that soulfire feat makes Superman stronger than Thanos? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
For goodness sakes Rebirth Supes was recently ko'ed by ww2 mortal shells lmao
No, he wasn't. Scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like? Scans?

Polaris was changing Earth's orbit with every footstep there. Mind posting such a feat for Magneto?

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Show me where near death post Crisis Superman destroyed a planet by just jumping. Also Kyle once stated DR Polaris could create magnetic waves that could affect entire solar system gravity stasis
https://postimg.cc/CBv6LHbG

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
DESTROYING a planet while "weakened" IS THE BIGGEST strength feat Rebirth Superman did so far :lol That's literally a high end for him

Meanwhile... PC Superman burst through SF Darkseid per you, so whos stronger between them?

If we go by average, Rebirth Supes is massively outclassed.

So no planetary destruction feats. So when abhi writes:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show me where near death post Crisis Superman destroyed a planet by just jumping.

You can just say 'I have none'.

As for the thread, I am confident Barry could vibrate through the forcefield and punch him in the face.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So no planetary destruction feats. So when abhi writes:



You can just say 'I have none'.

As for the thread, I am confident Barry could vibrate through the forcefield and punch him in the face.

I showed a "planetary" feat of Superman per Abhi, the shattering space time thingy

Kitty failed already.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I showed a "planetary" feat of Superman per Abhi, the shattering space time thingy

Kitty failed already.

Was he dying in that scan?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was he dying in that scan?

It's superior regardless

Btw what happens once he gets a hold of any type of iron or metal in their blood?

Bats pointed out that Flash's Lightning Effect generates Static Electricity. Thus, Mags can hax Flash's Lightning Effect in much the same way he's haxed Storm's lightning. Remember, the very movement of electrons generates Magnetic Fields. Thus, the more Flash uses his powers, the MORE Magnetic Fields he generates and the MORE Mags would be able to hax them. Mags would actually get amped by them.

Until Flash taps into the Speed Force, which is infinite.

Can Mags handle infinity?

Flash can't run forever, he'll get dissapeared into the speed force

Batman explained that Wally would Die if he ever absorbed too much power at one time, as his human body can only take so much.

The Speed Force is Infinite. How much of it is Usable at One Time is Not Infinite.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Batman explained that Wally would Die if he ever absorbed too much power at one time, as his human body can only take so much.

The Speed Force is Infinite. How much of it is Usable at One Time is Not Infinite.

Wally killed Cobalt Blue by overloading him with infinite energy.

It'll just amp him then

I've never seen BASE Supes resisted and/or countered the level of High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux that a NON-WEAKENED Mags can do

When ATOMS VIBRATE, the electrons reach an EXCITED energy state and begin to MOVE FASTER. The very MOVEMENT of Electrons generates MAGNETIC FIELDS. Thus, when Supes and or Flash VIBRATES, he's actually GENERATING numerous MAGNETIC FIELDS. Thus, Mags can HAX those Magnetic Fields to counter Vibration based Phasing lol

something that is taught even in REAL LIFE Physics as well as Electronics Engineering:
https://i.postimg.cc/CnH6n1k0/asd.jpg

@Abhi, Mags actually PERMANENTLY altered Earth's Magnetosphere to such an extent that ANY Psionic Based TP and/or TP hax powers are reduced in effective range by 3 levels.:
https://i.postimg.cc/vgDV6SnZ/xm.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also Kyle once stated DR Polaris could create magnetic waves that could affect entire solar system gravity stasis
https://postimg.cc/CBv6LHbG

Dr. Polaris used BOTH Prep AND Tech to do feats that were > than even Half-Planet level. For example, when he haxed the "Magnetic Heart" of the Universe, he used PREP and TECH to do that feat. Base Dr. Polaris is NOWHERE NEAR the same level of power and skill as a Non-Weakened Mags.

this is from Flash (2016) #65. Notice that Flash (Barry) uses his Vibration power to GENERATE a STATIC CHARGE strong enough to restart that girl's heart. That's part of his Lightning Effect. Even in REAL LIFE, Magnetic Induction can be used to reduce and/or amplify a STATIC CHARGE.:
https://i.postimg.cc/8sR1mmbp/sta.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
For goodness sakes Rebirth Supes was recently ko'ed by ww2 mortal shells lmao When?

Three pages and not one posted Magneto feat. Smh such a bait and switch

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@smurph

Superman's healing Factor is a direct result of his cells being charged by yellow sun radiation. Magneto's control over radiation includes sunlight. Meaning he cannot only weaken Superman but stop him from gaining more energy (yes I know Superman has spent days in the Earth's core before but he wasn't being drained simply cut off from his source of energy and running off reserves) Superman could quite possibly have to deal with both in this fight especially since Magneto can see radiation on a Quantum level so he wouldn't notice Superman's body absorbing it. I don't see brute force beating Magneto when it hasn't in the past. I think that they can win but it will be with everyone else distracting Magneto while Cyborg hides for enough away and and make some type of magnetic field dampener so they can get pass his force field. Each line of argument that you've made re: Magneto v Flash or Magneto v Superman shows, at best, that Magneto could theoretically harm either of them. And nobody is going to disagree with that. But I said Magneto would be helpless against them, which he would be.

Magneto just doesn't have the track record to show that he can reliably defend against speedsters of that caliber, who can bypass his shields.

Flash and Superman both have the feats to show that they can bypass his shields, and are both beyond the speed of anybody that Magneto has ever(?) gone up against.

Conversely, your argument that "I don't see brute force beating Magneto when it hasn't in the past" is just a no limits fallacy. Are you saying that no fist, however strong, can knock Magneto the f*ck out?

If not, what's the threshold? I guess you think it's somewhere past Superman, or an IMP. We know that brute force *can* get through Magneto's shields -- you could argue that those appearances aren't from *peak Magneto*, but if so, how much stronger are these shields? I'd wager not strong enough to withstand Superman.

Flash or Superman win 1-on-1, and a team setting makes this a stomp.

That said, I do tend to think that ~peak Magneto~ could take the other four (WW, Cyborg, Aquaman, Batman) if he started with shields up.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It'll just amp him then

I've never seen BASE Supes resisted and/or countered the level of High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux that a NON-WEAKENED Mags can do

When ATOMS VIBRATE, the electrons reach an EXCITED energy state and begin to MOVE FASTER. The very MOVEMENT of Electrons generates MAGNETIC FIELDS. Thus, when Supes and or Flash VIBRATES, he's actually GENERATING numerous MAGNETIC FIELDS. Thus, Mags can HAX those Magnetic Fields to counter Vibration based Phasing lol

something that is taught even in REAL LIFE Physics as well as Electronics Engineering:
https://i.postimg.cc/CnH6n1k0/asd.jpg

@Abhi, Mags actually PERMANENTLY altered Earth's Magnetosphere to such an extent that ANY Psionic Based TP and/or TP hax powers are reduced in effective range by 3 levels.:
https://i.postimg.cc/vgDV6SnZ/xm.jpg
Wut? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Dr. Polaris used BOTH Prep AND Tech to do feats that were > than even Half-Planet level. For example, when he haxed the "Magnetic Heart" of the Universe, he used PREP and TECH to do that feat. Base Dr. Polaris is NOWHERE NEAR the same level of power and skill as a Non-Weakened Mags.
Nonsense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut?
Nonsense.

It is nonsense, he's never done so without being amped


I can't see Superman punching through Mags shield tbh, unless you have a scan of superman punching through stuff like that

Erik Can induce seizures, strokes, amnesia ND paralysis. You think Supes or the JL members can resist all of that?

Magneto can bypass superman durability via ferrofluid if he just doesn't **** all their iron in them and can ionize the air around them

Originally posted by Smurph
Each line of argument that you've made re: Magneto v Flash or Magneto v Superman shows, at best, that Magneto could theoretically harm either of them. And nobody is going to disagree with that. But I said Magneto would be helpless against them, which he would be.

Magneto just doesn't have the track record to show that he can reliably defend against speedsters of that caliber, who can bypass his shields.

Flash and Superman both have the feats to show that they can bypass his shields, and are both beyond the speed of anybody that Magneto has ever(?) gone up against.

Conversely, your argument that "I don't see brute force beating Magneto when it hasn't in the past" is just a no limits fallacy. Are you saying that no fist, however strong, can knock Magneto the f*ck out?

If not, what's the threshold? I guess you think it's somewhere past Superman, or an IMP. We know that brute force *can* get through Magneto's shields -- you could argue that those appearances aren't from *peak Magneto*, but if so, how much stronger are these shields? I'd wager not strong enough to withstand Superman.

Flash or Superman win 1-on-1, and a team setting makes this a stomp.

That said, I do tend to think that ~peak Magneto~ could take the other four (WW, Cyborg, Aquaman, Batman) if he started with shields up.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It is nonsense, he's never done so without being amped


I can't see Superman punching through Mags shield tbh, unless you have a scan of superman punching through stuff like that

Erik Can induce seizures, strokes, amnesia ND paralysis. You think Supes or the JL members can resist all of that?

Magneto can bypass superman durability via ferrofluid if he just doesn't **** all their iron in them and can ionize the air around them

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It is nonsense, he's never done so without being amped

Magneto has never done so, period.

What, forcefields? Dude destroys GL shields all the time.

Havok has blasted through Magneto's shields at full power.

Nonsense. He couldn't do anything like that to a random mutant whose only power was invulnerablity. He's going to do **** all to Superman.

https://i.postimg.cc/PqsSpryT/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto has never done so, period.

What, forcefields? Dude destroys GL shields all the time.

Havok has blasted through Magneto's shields at full power.

Nonsense. He couldn't do anything like that to a random mutant whose only power was invulnerablity. He's going to do **** all to Superman.

You didn't see where I showed you mags doing so?

Why don't you post Polaris doing doing above half planetary feats without prepping or being amped, I'll wait

Who was that guy with invulnerability that Mags couldn't affect?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You didn't see where I showed you mags doing so?

No.

Normal Polaris got stomped by Kyle and Cyborg. You're using an amped Polaris feats to suggest Magneto could do it.

Why would I put normal Polaris here?

Just posted the scan.

You know what Abhi ... Here's the evidence you just might like that Supes is vulnerable to high Intensity Magnetic Field

From Adventures of Superman Vol.1 #424 pg 10.

Superman confirms that his super-strength couldn't even "crack" that High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux. Also, Emil CONFIRMS that the tech uses Magnetic Waves (aka Magnetic Field Flux).:

https://i.postimg.cc/5X7QJcy2/pso.jpg

#425 pg 13. Emil uses that tech to contain Supe's fight w/ that machine.:
https://i.postimg.cc/S2pMT6j6/us.jpg

pg 14. Supes CONFIRMS that the High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux is DRAINING his Super-Strength.:
https://i.postimg.cc/fVGtyccG/tp.jpg

pg 22. Supes gets so drained by repeated contact and even prolonged repeated contact w/ the High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux that he is KO'd by an explosion that was building level at most.:
https://i.postimg.cc/nMFsXcmh/re.jpg

^, ^^, ^^^. ^^^^. As we cam ALL see, Supes is vulnerable to getting drained by High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux.

What makes him vulnerable to this? It's the fact that Kryptonian Physiology is fueled by the Photoelectric Effect. Even in Real Life, High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux can disrupt and/or reverse (aka drain) the Photoelectric Effect. It's why you NEVER want to store X-Ray Imaging Plates ANYWHERE NEAR an MRI chamber. Just being inside that chamber when the MRI scanner is active can erase the magnetic strips on bank cards. It's something that's taught to Radiology Students halfway through the 1st year of Radiology School.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You know what Abhi ... Here's the evidence you just might like that Supes is vulnerable to high Intensity Magnetic Field

From Adventures of Superman Vol.1 #424 pg 10.

Superman confirms that his super-strength couldn't even "crack" that High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux. Also, Emil CONFIRMS that the tech uses Magnetic Waves (aka Magnetic Field Flux).:

https://i.postimg.cc/5X7QJcy2/pso.jpg

#425 pg 13. Emil uses that tech to contain Supe's fight w/ that machine.:
https://i.postimg.cc/S2pMT6j6/us.jpg

pg 14. Supes CONFIRMS that the High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux is DRAINING his Super-Strength.:
https://i.postimg.cc/fVGtyccG/tp.jpg

pg 22. Supes gets so drained by repeated contact and even prolonged repeated contact w/ the High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux that he is KO'd by an explosion that was building level at most.:
https://i.postimg.cc/nMFsXcmh/re.jpg

^, ^^, ^^^. ^^^^. As we cam ALL see, Supes is vulnerable to getting drained by High Intensity Magnetic Field Flux.

You're using a version of Superman who was struggling to lift 80 tons of rubble of his back and got electrocuted by 50000 volt electricity here.

Stop trolling.

If only that was the case, Superman would die just going inside the sun because sun has a magnetic field even more powerful than Earth.

Stop this nonsense. Magneto is not beating Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're using a version of Superman who was struggling to lift 80 tons of rubble of his back and got electrocuted by 50000 volt electricity here.

Stop trolling.

If only that was the case, Superman would die just going inside the sun because sun has a magnetic field even more powerful than Earth.

Stop this nonsense. Magneto is not beating Superman.

"He controls the electromagnetic spectrum... Which even photons must yield"

So the implications of this against superman are quite..... Profound.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJZvzrxt/pro.jpg

There's traces of metal virtually everywhere. From the blood to the air itself. Whether or not superman realised it metal will be flowing through his body. Keep in mind as a child he did Ofcourse eat human food and drink water.

Flash's suit is composed of metal, he's done for

https://i.postimg.cc/ygMf71sm/mes.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"He controls the electromagnetic spectrum... Which even photons must yield"

So the implications of this against superman are quite..... Profound.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJZvzrxt/pro.jpg
That was literally an illusion planted by Jean in Magneto's mind.

Stop trolling. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There's traces of metal virtually everywhere. From the blood to the air itself. Whether or not superman realised it metal will be flowing through his body. Keep in mind as a child he did Ofcourse eat human food and drink water.

Flash's suit is composed of metal, he's done for

https://i.postimg.cc/ygMf71sm/mes.jpg
Before or after Flash blitzes him to death?

Wish you stop mentioning the sun. It empowers him. When he isnt even in the sun, close to it, it makes him more powerful.

His shields are up already and your talking about blitzing... are you serious?

He can vibrate through shields.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
His shields are up already and your talking about blitzing... are you serious?
Yes, Flash would blitz through his shields. He has already destroyed through Hal's constructs which were supposed to slow him down.

https://i.postimg.cc/qg5LxyPW/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WdRwQjbn/RCO011.jpg

Magneto will be shish kebab before he knows what hit him.

Mags has a history of using his powers to counter different kinds of phasing. He used his powers to counter Vision's phasing (which is Density based just like Martian Manhunter's) and Kitty's phasing (which is Dimensional and Molecular based). He nearly killed Kitty instantly out of instinctive reflex when she used her phasing on him years ago (when she was still a teen).:

https://shadowandflamewithmagik.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/uncanny-x-men-150-kitty-pryde-12.jpg? fbclid=IwAR2V52V8TTfA7xWyMPgZ9_v53D5IFeUen69ZGi5LM
M6nXvi6uXjMGemjvRc

https://shadowandflamewithmagik.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/uncanny-x-men-150-kitty-pryde-13.jpg?fbclid=IwAR0yUJ6Mw606q-dtvR4UJGi6OKQS0ZNhXAkYW5MX63Se7S8RyzpG68DKLfE

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Flash would blitz through his shields. He has already destroyed through Hal's constructs which were supposed to slow him down.

https://i.postimg.cc/qg5LxyPW/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WdRwQjbn/RCO011.jpg

Magneto will be shish kebab before he knows what hit him.

Except he did that while amped. Remember, BOTH speedsters running together amp each other, or does that not apply now?

Barry went through the Still Force.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Barry went through the Still Force.

Yea but that's not really magnetic though

Lol at CV Magneto arriving to kmc a decade late.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yea but that's not really magnetic though
Yeah but it's his Kryptonite. As anti Flash as one can get.

Next to that, magnetic fields are nothing.

Edit: not to mention, Cyborg is here. Does Mag's shield block sound?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but it's his Kryptonite. As anti Flash as one can get.

Next to that, magnetic fields are nothing.

Could you post that particular feat again

Need to see for context

The Turtle was trying to power a miltiversal device at the time iirc.

MULTIVERSal.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mags has a history of using his powers to counter different kinds of phasing. He used his powers to counter Vision's phasing (which is Density based just like Martian Manhunter's) and Kitty's phasing (which is Dimensional and Molecular based). He nearly killed Kitty instantly out of instinctive reflex when she used her phasing on him years ago (when she was still a teen).:

https://shadowandflamewithmagik.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/uncanny-x-men-150-kitty-pryde-12.jpg? fbclid=IwAR2V52V8TTfA7xWyMPgZ9_v53D5IFeUen69ZGi5LM
M6nXvi6uXjMGemjvRc

https://shadowandflamewithmagik.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/uncanny-x-men-150-kitty-pryde-13.jpg?fbclid=IwAR0yUJ6Mw606q-dtvR4UJGi6OKQS0ZNhXAkYW5MX63Se7S8RyzpG68DKLfE

Flash can vibrate through electric attacks too.

Give or take a few lightspeed attacks. Flash would destroy Magneto.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash can vibrate through electric attacks too.

Give or take a few lightspeed attacks. Flash would destroy Magneto.

so his shields tanking attacks from Phoenix Force, Cap U Spidey, Thor, etc doesn't mean anything???

Lol here's the mortal shell instance you was asking for

https://i.postimg.cc/gLFJF22F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rR1p82Dd/image.jpg

Is Up in the Sky canon? Isn't Pa Kent still alive in it?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
so his shields tanking attacks from Phoenix Force, Cap U Spidey, Thor, etc doesn't mean anything???
Jean had mental inhibitiors blocking her from using her powers, Thor hit his shield once while his bones were brittle and Spider-Man's blasts were felt by Magneto despite his shield deflecting his blasts. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lol here's the mortal shell instance you was asking for

https://i.postimg.cc/gLFJF22F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rR1p82Dd/image.jpg
That's from Superman up in the sky, Superman crash landed through a space time anomaly which made him forget his memory. He wasn't koed by mortars.

Don't troll. Again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is Up in the Sky canon? Isn't Pa Kent still alive in it?
It never even says that the mortars koed him. Just that he was found in an artillery field. Rest of the scene.

https://i.postimg.cc/XJbLVw9k/image.jpg

As usual Alberto is lying through his teeth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jean had mental inhibitiors blocking her from using her powers, Thor hit his shield once while his bones were brittle and Spider-Man's blasts were felt by Magneto despite his shield deflecting his blasts.
That's from Superman up in the sky, Superman crash landed through a space time anomaly which made him forget his memory. He wasn't koed by mortars.

Don't troll. Again.

I'm talking about this instance

https://i.postimg.cc/BjRSrv6S/thr.jpg

when was any of that mentioned here

The same scan has Magneto reacting to Thor's hammer and repelling it

Mags was shown EASILY using his powers to counter the full power TK of a Pheonix Avatar (Rachel Summers) YEARS AFTER he beat an earlier Phoenix Avatar. Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #196. Rachel used her TK to amp and redirect that bullet. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to stop that bullet. Panel 5 has Mags CLEARLY CONFIRMING that Rachel (a Phoenix Avatar) was using ALL of her might to try to move that bullet in order to kill that Anti-Mutant Protestor who had tried to kill both her and Kitty Pryde.:

https://i.postimg.cc/bsG4K92n/usa.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Lol here's the mortal shell instance you was asking for

https://i.postimg.cc/gLFJF22F/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rR1p82Dd/image.jpg .........Did you really read the comic?Superman isn't knocked out by shell, He was trapped in and through a wormhole then smashed into the earth. Later the comic blatantly showed that mortal shell couldn't leave supes a scratch
Here, Explained to you why superman was unconscious during the previous scans and the mortal shell completely harmless for superman
https://postimg.cc/sBYLHNDg
https://postimg.cc/VSQTR8wh
https://postimg.cc/TLT4zJpq

Originally posted by abhilegend
It never even says that the mortars koed him. Just that he was found in an artillery field. Rest of the scene.

https://i.postimg.cc/XJbLVw9k/image.jpg

As usual Alberto is lying through his teeth.

Jesus. That's horrendous lying/inability to read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It never even says that the mortars koed him. Just that he was found in an artillery field. Rest of the scene.

https://i.postimg.cc/XJbLVw9k/image.jpg

As usual Alberto is lying through his teeth.

lol are you serious?

comic doesn't NEED to everytime state the person was Ko'ed, they show it for a reason

Yes he forgot his memories, that doesn't change he got ko'ed

memory wiping is the same as being Ko'ed?

That's the dumbest thing you said today

Originally posted by abhilegend
It never even says that the mortars koed him. Just that he was found in an artillery field. Rest of the scene.

https://i.postimg.cc/XJbLVw9k/image.jpg

As usual Alberto is lying through his teeth. I doubt he really read the comic that he posted

I'll re read the comic in a few to see if I made any mistakes

Ok... your probably right on that instance.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol are you serious?

comic doesn't NEED to everytime state the person was Ko'ed, they show it for a reason

Yes he forgot his memories, that doesn't change he got ko'ed

memory wiping is the same as being Ko'ed?

That's the dumbest thing you said today And the comic blatantly showed that mortal shell could do nothing to superman in the last few pages. What makes you think he was koed by mortal shell when the comic already explaind to you why he was unconscious when the soldier find him
https://postimg.cc/sBYLHNDg
https://postimg.cc/VSQTR8wh
https://postimg.cc/TLT4zJpq

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol are you serious?

comic doesn't NEED to everytime state the person was Ko'ed, they show it for a reason

Yes he forgot his memories, that doesn't change he got ko'ed

memory wiping is the same as being Ko'ed?

That's the dumbest thing you said today

that's right, keep fighting back lol.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm talking about this instance

https://i.postimg.cc/BjRSrv6S/thr.jpg

when was any of that mentioned here

The same scan has Magneto reacting to Thor's hammer and repelling it

Mags was shown EASILY using his powers to counter the full power TK of a Pheonix Avatar (Rachel Summers) YEARS AFTER he beat an earlier Phoenix Avatar. Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #196. Rachel used her TK to amp and redirect that bullet. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to stop that bullet. Panel 5 has Mags CLEARLY CONFIRMING that Rachel (a Phoenix Avatar) was using ALL of her might to try to move that bullet in order to kill that Anti-Mutant Protestor who had tried to kill both her and Kitty Pryde.:

https://i.postimg.cc/bsG4K92n/usa.jpg
Where Thor almost broke through his shields?

Have you ever actually read a comic in your life? Rachel became Phoenix in UXM 199 by absorbing a portion of its power.

https://i.postimg.cc/F7MKtyCM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WDjbz2vS/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F11F7WMt/image.jpg

In UXM 196, she didn't even have that. I mean this is height of trolling.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol are you serious?

comic doesn't NEED to everytime state the person was Ko'ed, they show it for a reason

Yes he forgot his memories, that doesn't change he got ko'ed

memory wiping is the same as being Ko'ed?

That's the dumbest thing you said today
Are you ****ing serious now?

like i said your probably right on that instance. look above

*the mortal shell

You're wrong in pretty much everything in this thread. Don't try to con me, I've forgotten more about comics than you'll ever read.

Lmao.

Abhi is 'probably' right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where Thor almost broke through his shields?

Have you ever actually read a comic in your life? Rachel became Phoenix in UXM 199 by absorbing a portion of its power.

https://i.postimg.cc/F7MKtyCM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WDjbz2vS/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F11F7WMt/image.jpg

In UXM 196, she didn't even have that. I mean this is height of trolling.

His shield still tanked blows from Mjolnir strikes, that's the point of the feat. READ

That's not the first time Magneto encountered Rachel

There's another one where Mags manipulates Rachel when she was Phoenix IIRC

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
His shield still tanked blows from Mjolnir strikes, that's the point of the feat. READ

Perhaps you don't know what tanking means. Thor was about to break his force field.



Post it please.

Hal's constructs are Will energy based. Mags doesn't use that type of energy at all.

@saint, Mags has countered banshee's sonic attacks before.

Bats confirmed that Flash generates static electricity via his lightning effect. Mags can hax that to amp himself the same way he used Storm's lightning to amp himself.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Hal's constructs are Will energy based. Mags doesn't use that type of energy at all.

@saint, Mags has countered banshee's sonic attacks before.

Bats confirmed that Flash generates static electricity via his lightning effect. Mags can hax that to amp himself the same way he used Storm's lightning to amp himself.

But what happens when Flash overloads him? Don't forget, Flash would be moving too fast for him to hax it.

Alberto, that's not the only scene where he encountered a Phoenix user. You're just using the wrong Phoenix.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where Thor almost broke through his shields?

Have you ever actually read a comic in your life? Rachel became Phoenix in UXM 199 by absorbing a portion of its power.

https://i.postimg.cc/F7MKtyCM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WDjbz2vS/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F11F7WMt/image.jpg

In UXM 196, she didn't even have that. I mean this is height of trolling.

Bruh what you left out was the FACT that Rachel ACEPTED her role as the Pheonix in #199. However, she was the Pheonix even BEFORE that. Even Beyonder sensed the Pheonix Force inside of her in #195 and/or 196. It was in the same issue where Mags stopped a Pheonix amped bullet.

the PF was NOT OUTSIDE of Rachel at the time that she accepted her role as the Pheonix. The PF was growing inside her little by little. She was limited in its use for years do to the Hound conditioning she went through. Thanks to her future's Kitty Pryde, that conditioning was broken and Rachel was able to use more and more of her powers. It's how she was able to enter th he 616.

You left that out since you really didn't read up on her history BEFORE she came to the 616.

Even Selene sensed the Pheonix Force inside Rachel waaaaay before #199. IIRC, Selene referred to Rachel as a Child of Light or some such.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But what happens when Flash overloads him? Don't forget, Flash would be moving too fast for him to hax it.

Mags wa sdcc able to serve as a temporary surrogate nervous system for Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial. The amount of energy he channeled in that feat was waaaaay greater than the level of energy that killed Cobalt Blue.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111287654/5835446-0957460561-57592.jpg


It wa scv ng actually infinite energy since we know that even Flash's Infinite Mass Punch doesn't really have infinite mass.

Also, Mags has as hostity of countering and/or hazing speedsters. We saw we this in the Dark Seduction storyline. He locked down the powers of Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Polaris at the SAME time. Mags did that while in a sealed windowless chamber. Pietro was using ALL of his speed to stop the tech from perm amping Mags. Remember, Pietro was perm amped to MMMFTL speeds at least 1 year or so BEFORE that storyline.

*sorry for double posting

Saint, correct me if im wrong but when Barry was able to beat the still force, and or vibrate though it, it happened in the past

that feat was from his past.

Here current Barry got bitched by the SF:

https://i.postimg.cc/mPb8Hhcm/Screenshot-54.png

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bruh what you left out was the FACT that Rachel ACEPTED her role as the Pheonix in #199. However, she was the Pheonix even BEFORE that. Even Beyonder sensed the Pheonix Force inside of her in #195 and/or 196. It was in the same issue where Mags stopped a Pheonix amped bullet.

the PF was NOT OUTSIDE of Rachel at the time that she accepted her role as the Pheonix. The PF was growing inside her little by little. She was limited in its use for years do to the Hound conditioning she went through. Thanks to her future's Kitty Pryde, that conditioning was broken and Rachel was able to use more and more of her powers. It's how she was able to enter th he 616.

You left that out since you really didn't read up on her history BEFORE she came to the 616.

Even Selene sensed the Pheonix Force inside Rachel waaaaay before #199. IIRC, Selene referred to Rachel as a Child of Light or some such.
Lolwut? Post the scan kid. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
*sorry for double posting

Saint, correct me if im wrong but when Barry was able to beat the still force, and or vibrate though it, it happened in the past

that feat was from his past.

Here current Barry got bitched by the SF:

https://i.postimg.cc/mPb8Hhcm/Screenshot-54.png
So Barry doesn't gets his own feats from past now?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mags wa sdcc able to serve as a temporary surrogate nervous system for Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial. The amount of energy he channeled in that feat was waaaaay greater than the level of energy that killed Cobalt Blue.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111287654/5835446-0957460561-57592.jpg


It wa scv ng actually infinite energy since we know that even Flash's Infinite Mass Punch doesn't really have infinite mass.

Also, Mags has as hostity of countering and/or hazing speedsters. We saw we this in the Dark Seduction storyline. He locked down the powers of Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Polaris at the SAME time. Mags did that while in a sealed windowless chamber. Pietro was using ALL of his speed to stop the tech from perm amping Mags. Remember, Pietro was perm amped to MMMFTL speeds at least 1 year or so BEFORE that storyline.

He channeled more than infinity energy? Post proof please.

Except he says it was infinite energy several times.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Post the scan kid.
So Barry doesn't gets his own feats from past now?

Is this your first Magneto Vs Thread?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Is this your first Magneto Vs Thread?
Far from it. But the sheer idiocy is as apparent as always.

Always remember the First Rule of Magneto Vs Club. Always change all the Rules so Magneto Can WIN!

I think it is in KMC's Vs Forum Rules.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Post the scan kid.
So Barry doesn't gets his own feats from past now?

this is from Uncanny X-men vol 1 #196. Beyonder's explanation about Rachel confirms what I stated about her.

https://i.postimg.cc/py6njQZG/sam.jpg


Same issue. The spiky black costume is the part of Hound conditioning that was still affecting her whenever she used her powers above a certain level. Also, those tattoos on her face are the tattoos that were imprinted on Hounds as part of their conditioning. Even years after she accepted her role as the Pheonix, Rachel was NOT able to get rid of the Hound Marks.
https://i.postimg.cc/mcLrJhj1/hd.jpg

Same issue. Rachel confirms what I stated about the Hound Conditioning.
https://i.postimg.cc/4nDxZWwg/fus.jpg

Next page. Rachel's biggest shame is that she was a Hound. She'd been using her powers to hide the Hound Mark's.
https://i.postimg.cc/ThgXjfjz/hd.jpg

Mags confirms that he and Rachel have both been through a Holocaust. Mags was actually marked when he was in a concentration camp as a teen. Read what Beyonder says about Mags and Rachel.
https://i.postimg.cc/5XYc0JtK/we.jpg

#189. We see Rachel's memories of her time as a Hound.
https://i.postimg.cc/TpTYpK87/fry.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/r0Lzjgbc/rug.jpg

#188. Rachel confirms that drugs were used to NEYTRALIZE her Psi-Talent (her powers) before the torture (Hound Conditioning) began. Thus, she had the pheonix force even back then, but she was only able to use a little bit of it due to her age and inexperience. The drugs blocked her access to the PF.
https://i.postimg.cc/MnyCRDy1/das.jpg

#184. That power that Selene is referring to is the PF that's inside of Rachel. It's even waaaaay > than the power of a weekend Juggy that she was going to feed on in #187. Remember, Selene is an External and a Master level Sorceress. When she combines her mutant powers with her magic, she rivals Dr. Strange in power. We found that out in the Khulan Gath event. In a later Excalibur storyline, it's shown that the Pheonix Force Avatar can be used as a powerful spell component and/or spell focus. The more powerful the PF Avatar, the more powerful the effects of the spell. We see hints of this when Selene considers making Rachel her heir:
https://i.postimg.cc/3yfnD4bg/wal.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He channeled more than infinity energy? Post proof please.

Except he says it was infinite energy several times.

SMH it's not truly "infinite"

If it were, then an amped Cap Cold would NOT have been able to dampen the SF energies that Flash was chanelling/using.

Also, the Speedforce is a Demiplane of existence in and of itself. This is proven by the fact that it's in a constant state of flux (it is being added to and subtracted from on a constant basis).

Flash confirms that his powers and thus the energies he was using/channeling were being dampened by Cap Cold. You can't dampen infinite energy

btw, that was Barry. Remember, he's a Speedforce Generator. Over a year later, it's explained that he's the Avatar of the Speedforce lmao

https://i.postimg.cc/KKCpH3rm/psl.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Batman explained that Wally would Die if he ever absorbed too much power at one time, as his human body can only take so much.

The Speed Force is Infinite. How much of it is Usable at One Time is Not Infinite.

Except you literally said that the SF is infinite......

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
this is from Uncanny X-men vol 1 #196. Beyonder's explanation about Rachel confirms what I stated about her.

https://i.postimg.cc/py6njQZG/sam.jpg


Same issue. The spiky black costume is the part of Hound conditioning that was still affecting her whenever she used her powers above a certain level. Also, those tattoos on her face are the tattoos that were imprinted on Hounds as part of their conditioning. Even years after she accepted her role as the Pheonix, Rachel was NOT able to get rid of the Hound Marks.
https://i.postimg.cc/mcLrJhj1/hd.jpg

Same issue. Rachel confirms what I stated about the Hound Conditioning.
https://i.postimg.cc/4nDxZWwg/fus.jpg

Next page. Rachel's biggest shame is that she was a Hound. She'd been using her powers to hide the Hound Mark's.
https://i.postimg.cc/ThgXjfjz/hd.jpg

Mags confirms that he and Rachel have both been through a Holocaust. Mags was actually marked when he was in a concentration camp as a teen. Read what Beyonder says about Mags and Rachel.
https://i.postimg.cc/5XYc0JtK/we.jpg

#189. We see Rachel's memories of her time as a Hound.
https://i.postimg.cc/TpTYpK87/fry.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/r0Lzjgbc/rug.jpg

#188. Rachel confirms that drugs were used to NEYTRALIZE her Psi-Talent (her powers) before the torture (Hound Conditioning) began. Thus, she had the pheonix force even back then, but she was only able to use a little bit of it due to her age and inexperience. The drugs blocked her access to the PF.
https://i.postimg.cc/MnyCRDy1/das.jpg

#184. That power that Selene is referring to is the PF that's inside of Rachel. It's even waaaaay > than the power of a weekend Juggy that she was going to feed on in #187. Remember, Selene is an External and a Master level Sorceress. When she combines her mutant powers with her magic, she rivals Dr. Strange in power. We found that out in the Khulan Gath event. In a later Excalibur storyline, it's shown that the Pheonix Force Avatar can be used as a powerful spell component and/or spell focus. The more powerful the PF Avatar, the more powerful the effects of the spell. We see hints of this when Selene considers making Rachel her heir:
https://i.postimg.cc/3yfnD4bg/wal.jpg
What a bunch of nonsense.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4nD3Q7S/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/502XFn7J/image.jpg


Handbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4nD3Q7S/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/502XFn7J/image.jpg


Handbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.

the handbook DOES NOT say that she was only allowed to use the PF after #199. It confirms that she took on the NAME and/or ROLE of the Pheonix in that issue.

Read the 3rd paragraph of that entry. It confirms that Kitty made a deal with the PF to put a portion of the PF inside of Rachel. This happened BEFORE Rachel came into the 616. It's the key factor of how her powers got perm amped enough to get to the 616.


Remember, that happened in the future of Earth 811. You really need to read the scan carefully. Btw, I actually have the issues from the storyline where 811 Kitty and Rachel infiltrate Project Nimrod. It's the very storyline where Nimrod kills that Kitty.

the 1st paragraph on the 2nd page of that entry explains what happened in #199. She claimed the NAME and power of the Pheonix. The crystal she held had NO PF energies in it. She gained more access to the PF then she had before. She was NOT AWARE that she already had a portion of the PF inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616. The PF had suppressed Rachel's memories of Earth 811. Rachel eventually overcame that memory suppression as her control over the PF improved. That happened BEFORE #199. The first page of the entry explains this in the last paragraph of the 1st column.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the handbook DOES NOT say that she was only allowed to use the PF after #199. It confirms that she took on the NAME and/or ROLE of the Pheonix in that issue.

Read the 3rd paragraph of that entry. It confirms that Kitty made a deal with the PF to put a portion of the PF inside of Rachel. This happened BEFORE Rachel came into the 616. It's the key factor of how her powers got perm amped enough to get to the 616.


Remember, that happened in the future of Earth 811. You really need to read the scan carefully. Btw, I actually have the issues from the storyline where 811 Kitty and Rachel infiltrate Project Nimrod. It's the very storyline where Nimrod kills that Kitty. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the 1st paragraph on the 2nd page of that entry explains what happened in #199. She claimed the NAME and power of the Pheonix. The crystal she held had NO PF energies in it. She gained more access to the PF then she had before. She was NOT AWARE that she already had a portion of the PF inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616. The PF had suppressed Rachel's memories of Earth 811. Rachel eventually overcame that memory suppression as her control over the PF improved. That happened BEFORE #199. The first page of the entry explains this in the last paragraph of the 1st column. Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4nD3Q7S/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/502XFn7J/image.jpg


Handbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.

concession accepted

It flat out says Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Magneto didn't encounter her as Phoenix in UXM 196.

Shut up and stop trolling.

Originally posted by abhilegend


It flat out says Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Magneto didn't encounter her as Phoenix in UXM 196.

Shut up and stop trolling.

Read this part of the entry. The PF had already PERM AMPED Rachel's powers when she was in Earth 811 BEFORE Kate (811 Kitty) & Rachel even entered Project Nimrod. Rachel was NOT AWARE that she had a portion of the PF inside of her at the time. The entry CLEARLY EXPLAINS this. Thus, Rachel was USING the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. You really need to read the ENTIRE ENTRY.:

https://i.postimg.cc/WdbnhJJ8/st.jpg

She amped her powers to travel in time. She wasn't a PF host. Stop Trolling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She amped her powers to travel in time. She wasn't a PF host. Stop Trolling.

LOL... what.. seriously?

even when she came to the 616, she STILL had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her. How do we know this? Because she was PERM AMPED by the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. Thus, she was STILL USING the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her, but she DID NOT realize it until she CLAIMED the NAME and power of the Phoenix. The entry EXPLAINS this.
Here are questions & answers that you seem to not understand. Remember, BOTH the entry and the COMIC(S) show and/or explain these.:
--->Did the PF come INTO her from the OUTSIDE when she was in the 616 in #199? NO.
--->Where was the PF? It was INSIDE of her since a PORTION of it has been inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616.
--->Did the PF allow her to use MORE of the PF after Rachel claimed the NAME (ROLE) of the Phoenix? YES. Not only did the portion of the PF that was ALREADY INSIDE of Rachel grow in "quantity", but the PF allowed her to use MORE of it than before (the part where it confirms that it gave her more access to it).
--->Did she have ALL of the PF's power? NO. Even AFTER she claimed the NAME/ROLE of the PF and the PORTION of the PF's power, she still ONLY had a PORTION of it. This is confirmed by the FACT that Necrom (an evil mage) had retained a PORTION of the PF's power in an Excalibur storyline. Also, in the Inferno Event, BOTH Jean Grey and Madeline Prior were shown vying for control of the PF. Thus, once again, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.
--->BTW, there was a Shi'ar Sword and Swordsman that had a PORTION of the PF, too. That portion was a Legacy (aka Inherited Attribute or some such) that ran in that Swordsman's family. Readers found this out when Rachel's team went to the Shi'ar Galaxy to fight Vulcan. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.

Excalibur Vol.1 #48. Rachel senses the portion of the PF that's INSIDE of Necrom. Necrom had retained a portion of the PF from centuries earlier. BTW, Rachel's entry in that updated OHOTMU edition DOES NOT mention that Necrom ALREADY HAD a portion of the PF inside of him from centuries earlier at the time Rachel encountered him. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOMTU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.:

https://i.postimg.cc/nsL0wSKq/rd.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
LOL... what.. seriously?

even when she came to the 616, she STILL had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her. How do we know this? Because she was PERM AMPED by the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. Thus, she was STILL USING the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her, but she DID NOT realize it until she CLAIMED the NAME and power of the Phoenix. The entry EXPLAINS this.
Here are questions & answers that you seem to not understand. Remember, BOTH the entry and the COMIC(S) show and/or explain these.:
--->Did the PF come INTO her from the OUTSIDE when she was in the 616 in #199? NO.
--->Where was the PF? It was INSIDE of her since a PORTION of it has been inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616.
--->Did the PF allow her to use MORE of the PF after Rachel claimed the NAME (ROLE) of the Phoenix? YES. Not only did the portion of the PF that was ALREADY INSIDE of Rachel grow in "quantity", but the PF allowed her to use MORE of it than before (the part where it confirms that it gave her more access to it).
--->Did she have ALL of the PF's power? NO. Even AFTER she claimed the NAME/ROLE of the PF and the PORTION of the PF's power, she still ONLY had a PORTION of it. This is confirmed by the FACT that Necrom (an evil mage) had retained a PORTION of the PF's power in an Excalibur storyline. Also, in the Inferno Event, BOTH Jean Grey and Madeline Prior were shown vying for control of the PF. Thus, once again, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.
--->BTW, there was a Shi'ar Sword and Swordsman that had a PORTION of the PF, too. That portion was a Legacy (aka Inherited Attribute or some such) that ran in that Swordsman's family. Readers found this out when Rachel's team went to the Shi'ar Galaxy to fight Vulcan. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.

Excalibur Vol.1 #48. Rachel senses the portion of the PF that's INSIDE of Necrom. Necrom had retained a portion of the PF from centuries earlier. BTW, Rachel's entry in that updated OHOTMU edition DOES NOT mention that Necrom ALREADY HAD a portion of the PF inside of him from centuries earlier at the time Rachel encountered him. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOMTU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.:

https://i.postimg.cc/nsL0wSKq/rd.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
She amped her powers to travel in time. She wasn't a PF host. Stop Trolling.

This is your post.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm talking about this instance

https://i.postimg.cc/BjRSrv6S/thr.jpg

when was any of that mentioned here

The same scan has Magneto reacting to Thor's hammer and repelling it

Mags was shown EASILY using his powers to counter the full power TK of a Pheonix Avatar (Rachel Summers) YEARS AFTER he beat an earlier Phoenix Avatar. Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #196. Rachel used her TK to amp and redirect that bullet. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to stop that bullet. Panel 5 has Mags CLEARLY CONFIRMING that Rachel (a Phoenix Avatar) was using ALL of her might to try to move that bullet in order to kill that Anti-Mutant Protestor who had tried to kill both her and Kitty Pryde.:

https://i.postimg.cc/bsG4K92n/usa.jpg

"Phoenix avatar", which she wasn't. Why lie and try to cover it up?

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is your post.



"Phoenix avatar", which she wasn't. Why lie and try to cover it up?

Bro.. what?

MY GUY this is from Exaclibur Vol.1 #50. Rachel CONFIRMS that Kate (811 Kitty) used a Post-Hypnotic Command to trigger the use of the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of Rachel when they were in Project Nimrod on Earth 811. That happened BEFORE she came to the 616.

AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, and NOT just rely on the OHOTMU entry. Remember, the OHOTMU entries DO NOT cover as much of the details as the comics do.:

https://i.postimg.cc/nXKhw0VV/sja.jpg



Pages later. Merlyn is explaining how the 1st Feron and Necrom encountered a PF Avatar centuries earlier. That Feron was channeling a portion of the power of the PF.:

https://i.postimg.cc/Y4jTmCPc/zza.jpg

Next page. Merlyn CONFIRMS that Necrom TORE OUT the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of the 1st Feron. That's the portion of the PF that later became known as the Anti-PF when Necron bonded it w/ a portion of his own lifeforce. AGAIN, in order to get the FULL PROPER CONTEXT, you REALLY need to ACTUALLY READ the comics instead of relying on JUST the OHOTMU entries lmao .:

https://i.postimg.cc/NywpQfw7/ner.jpg

pages later. Rachel was getting beat by Necrom. The ONLY way to beat him was to give him so much of the PF's power that he'd overload and die. Rachel WILLED (more accurate to say ASKED) the PF to give Necrom more power than he can handle. That's the ONLY TIME that Rachel came EVEN CLOSE to channeling the FULL POWER of the PF. Even AFTER that, Rachel only had a PORTION of the PF inside of her. Remember, that Shi'ar Swordsman and his sword each had a portion of the PF, too, but their portion was MUCH SMALLER than what Rachel had.:

https://i.postimg.cc/GHX4cMwM/rha.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Justice league as pictured (rebirth)
VS
Magneto(shield up)

Mags is at peak levels

no bfr

https://i.postimg.cc/QVj99BXB/reb.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/PvNdbn37/nh.jpg

You could always make the argument that Magneto would beat one or two of the League, maybe, but the entire team?

Not unless it's one of those "let's make the villain look like a threat by getting the early win" kind of things.

I think the JL would win. I mean a weaker team with Havok on it defeated him. Havok bypassed his shields. Surely Superman and the crew would have similar success. But If we are arguing that Magneto would use exploitative attacks on them, I guess he could give them some trouble.

The trouble with exploitative attacks (and yes, I agree with Stoic btw; they're very viable), is that they assume the other team is just standing there, NOT engaging in exploitative attacks of their own.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bro.. what?

MY GUY this is from Exaclibur Vol.1 #50. Rachel CONFIRMS that Kate (811 Kitty) used a Post-Hypnotic Command to trigger the use of the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of Rachel when they were in Project Nimrod on Earth 811. That happened BEFORE she came to the 616.

AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, and NOT just rely on the OHOTMU entry. Remember, the OHOTMU entries DO NOT cover as much of the details as the comics do.:

https://i.postimg.cc/nXKhw0VV/sja.jpg



Pages later. Merlyn is explaining how the 1st Feron and Necrom encountered a PF Avatar centuries earlier. That Feron was channeling a portion of the power of the PF.:

https://i.postimg.cc/Y4jTmCPc/zza.jpg Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Next page. Merlyn CONFIRMS that Necrom TORE OUT the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of the 1st Feron. That's the portion of the PF that later became known as the Anti-PF when Necron bonded it w/ a portion of his own lifeforce. AGAIN, in order to get the FULL PROPER CONTEXT, you REALLY need to ACTUALLY READ the comics instead of relying on JUST the OHOTMU entries lmao .:

https://i.postimg.cc/NywpQfw7/ner.jpg

pages later. Rachel was getting beat by Necrom. The ONLY way to beat him was to give him so much of the PF's power that he'd overload and die. Rachel WILLED (more accurate to say ASKED) the PF to give Necrom more power than he can handle. That's the ONLY TIME that Rachel came EVEN CLOSE to channeling the FULL POWER of the PF. Even AFTER that, Rachel only had a PORTION of the PF inside of her. Remember, that Shi'ar Swordsman and his sword each had a portion of the PF, too, but their portion was MUCH SMALLER than what Rachel had.:

https://i.postimg.cc/GHX4cMwM/rha.jpg
I've read all of those. Kindly explain where Rachel was avatar of Phoenix at the time of UXM 196 as you claimed?

Exactly DS. He could give them some trouble. Could Be are the key words here, as most of the JL could individually at least on paper, give him a run for his money individually.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You could always make the argument that Magneto would beat one or two of the League, maybe, but the entire team?

Not unless it's one of those "let's make the villain look like a threat by getting the early win" kind of things.

Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly DS. He could give them some trouble. Could Be are the key words here, as most of the JL could individually at least on paper, give him a run for his money individually.

I was talking about him beating Superman tbf, the JL is debatable because per the op Mags has his shields up and his shields tanked attacks from powerful beings

Mags can even control gamma radiation, UV, light (this includes non-visible forms of light like x-rays), heat, and even gravitons using his Energy Control powers. Being that he has a history of haxing Earth's sun, it stands to reason that he should also have no problem manipulating solar radiation as well as cosmic radiation (which is basically equal to gamma radiation in its EM frequency). This scan is from a previous edition of the OHOTMU from the 80s.:
https://i.postimg.cc/xk2J8kH0/hea.jpg


this is Pre Crisis Supes giving blood to Lana and Lois (IIRC). This means that he is most likely a Universal Donor (a term used in hematology) and that Kryptonians have blood iron content comparable and/or compatible to that of humans.:
https://i.postimg.cc/R6bwWS4X/bla.png

an even OLDER scan. Notice that the doc confirms that Supes blood conforms (is compatible) w/ all 4 (known at the time) blood types. That means that he's a Universal Blood Donor at the time.:
https://i.postimg.cc/VrRmgvdW/ira.jpg

So not sure why sure why Mags couldn't bloodbend him... or other things..

If I can see Supes punching through more durable things than Mags shield I'll concede

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I was talking about him beating Superman tbf, the JL is debatable because per the op Mags has his shields up and his shields tanked attacks from powerful beings

Mags can even control gamma radiation, UV, light (this includes non-visible forms of light like x-rays), heat, and even gravitons using his Energy Control powers. Being that he has a history of haxing Earth's sun, it stands to reason that he should also have no problem manipulating solar radiation as well as cosmic radiation (which is basically equal to gamma radiation in its EM frequency). This scan is from a previous edition of the OHOTMU from the 80s.:
https://i.postimg.cc/xk2J8kH0/hea.jpg


this is Pre Crisis Supes giving blood to Lana and Lois (IIRC). This means that he is most likely a Universal Donor (a term used in hematology) and that Kryptonians have blood iron content comparable and/or compatible to that of humans.:
https://i.postimg.cc/R6bwWS4X/bla.png

an even OLDER scan. Notice that the doc confirms that Supes blood conforms (is compatible) w/ all 4 (known at the time) blood types. That means that he's a Universal Blood Donor at the time.:
https://i.postimg.cc/VrRmgvdW/ira.jpg

So not sure why sure why Mags couldn't bloodbend him... or other things..

If I can see Supes punching through more durable things than Mags shield I'll concede
What do you mean bloodbend him? I already showed he couldn't do it to a random mutant because he was invulnerable.

What's harder than Magneto's shields in DC? Enlighten us.

Well, Alberto? What is harder than Magneto's shields in DC?

Yeah but if these guys have punched through it, it was in the past, so inadmissible

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Alberto? What is harder than Magneto's shields in DC?

I need to see Supes reversing a high level intensity magnetic flux or something similar. Magneto shield isn't just a normal "shield" lmao

we've seen that Superman is vulnerable to EM users being capable of striping his solar radiation, are we really going to ignore that?

Magneto's force field can bounce objects off, repel when one gets close, etc

in uncanny xmen #113, he puts up a shield In time to protect against an angry phoenix jean
https://i.postimg.cc/QBPSpXJY/oe.jpg

A laser that can be used to punch a hole through a planet was shielded when it was used to attack astroid M in the Mutant Genesis story line when he was betrayed by Cortez
https://i.postimg.cc/F7mpbC0v/las.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/QFdqwB6n/tel.jpg


Magneto has a very good Hax called Ferro-Fluid a material that he can use to bypass all conventional durability.

https://i.postimg.cc/t7rdPRR3/recv.jpg

Mags has succesfully bloodbended Hercules, and She Hulk, but we ignore that because of a one time low showing?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I need to see Supes reversing a high level intensity magnetic flux or something similar. Magneto shield isn't just a normal "shield" lmao

we've seen that Superman is vulnerable to EM users being capable of striping his solar radiation, are we really going to ignore that?

Magneto's force field can bounce objects off, repel when one gets close, etc

in uncanny xmen #113, he puts up a shield In time to protect against an angry phoenix jean
https://i.postimg.cc/QBPSpXJY/oe.jpg

A laser that can be used to punch a hole through a planet was shielded when it was used to attack astroid M in the Mutant Genesis story line when he was betrayed by Cortez
https://i.postimg.cc/F7mpbC0v/las.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/QFdqwB6n/tel.jpg


Magneto has a very good Hax called Ferro-Fluid a material that he can use to bypass all conventional durability.

https://i.postimg.cc/t7rdPRR3/recv.jpg

Mags has succesfully bloodbended Hercules, and She Hulk, but we ignore that because of a one time low showing?
Now you're randomly moving the goal posts again? Magneto's shields got broken by Havok.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Havok at full power breaks through Magneto's force field (strongest force fields according to Emma).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kKrq8erw7EY/Ws4Z0rpRSbI/AAAAAAAAGYk/nA7ux3YhgVk7K9dkvewpRWZo6obnEYUPACHMYCw/s1600/RCO012.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_N4FkoZShTs/Ws4Z1X6HhhI/AAAAAAAAGYs/vHOAr1oCPpce3zUdOueP2pAndkHN2NhoQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO013.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qlqLLi8ms7g/Ws4Z1wu1HtI/AAAAAAAAGY0/dVFOAA0tbUQIVUpXFnGQM3IpSKkdMv7IwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SZD8Zac1FMM/Ws4Z2epdfrI/AAAAAAAAGZA/wkJV_20PKsglcPWv8lofWp5Xw_okAMZDgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO015.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ctrzIOkPiZA/Ws4Z4hZFjCI/AAAAAAAAGZs/Lu1sXp_sG6ULH-Lav6Q813TXXfKzdV9ogCHMYCw/s1600/RCO019.jpg

Later it was revealed that he was even further amped by MGH.



And by teen Cyclops.

https://i.postimg.cc/DSqD1NSB/RCO009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/McqL5YRx/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/94bnnqt9/RCO011.jpg

And then by Archangel.

https://i0.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/UNCX-1.jpeg

Superman would oneshot Magneto.

Neither Hercules or She Hulk possess invulnerablity. They are really durable but not really invulnerable.

Your hate for Superman (to argue for any and every opponent to win against him) is getting pathetic and sad now.

Isn't Archangel a team wrecker now?

Also Magneto didn't survive that beam. It destroyed asteroid m and Magneto only survived because Chrome contained him in reentry.

https://i.postimg.cc/xcrBqm5v/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ppD4jdcg/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtBGnQxp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jwwkSqJ3/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ftGqt4cz/image.jpg

So many lies.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Isn't Archangel a team wrecker now?


Nope.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now you're randomly moving the goal posts again? Magneto's shields got broken by Havok.



And by teen Cyclops.

https://i.postimg.cc/DSqD1NSB/RCO009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/McqL5YRx/RCO010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/94bnnqt9/RCO011.jpg

And then by Archangel.

https://i0.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/UNCX-1.jpeg

Superman would oneshot Magneto.

Neither Hercules or She Hulk possess invulnerablity. They are really durable but not really invulnerable.

Your hate for Superman (to argue for any and every opponent to win against him) is getting pathetic and sad now.

who had help from kid jean who also has dropped galactus

Bruh, Mags was caught off against Archangel, didn't the same Archangel beat Phoenix when they traveled to AOA universe.

I'm out right now, I'll address those stuff when i come back

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
who had help from kid jean who also has dropped galactus

Jean absorbed a lot of psychic power to knock Galactus down. Here she only checked the weak points in his shield.

No, that was death seed Archangel. And Phoenix actually chose Archangel.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Nope.

Really? I'm almost 100% sure he was. I think he was portrayed as such in X Force back when they were fighting Shadow King

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Really? I'm almost 100% sure he was. I think he was portrayed as such in X Force back when they were fighting Shadow King
Not that I recall.

He had the Death Seed then iirc

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jean absorbed a lot of psychic power to knock Galactus down. Here she only checked the weak points in his shield.

No, that was death seed Archangel. And Phoenix actually chose Archangel.



Mags was HOLDING back with the teen cyclops instance, did you even read the storyline?

https://i.postimg.cc/9rJZK9Lw/fa.jpg

it's OBVIOUS that you DID NOT READ that storyline where the scan is from. That scan is from the Age of X-Man event. Mags was being simultaneously AMPED to an UNSTABLE level and Mentally Dominated by Nate Grey. You need to stop w/ the random Google searches and start actually READING the comics.

This is why google should be supplemental. Magneto was coming as a *pacifist* after being mind controlled by Nate. He was trying to talk to them, not fight at that moment. Try again

Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto has never done so, period.

What, forcefields? Dude destroys GL shields all the time.

Havok has blasted through Magneto's shields at full power.

Nonsense. He couldn't do anything like that to a random mutant whose only power was invulnerablity. He's going to do **** all to Superman.

https://i.postimg.cc/PqsSpryT/image.jpg

Pauly (the mutant in question) was highly resistant to Mag's bloodbending. However, that DID NOT keep him from NEARLY getting killed by Mags. Also, IIRC, that fight was a scenario psionically played in Mag's mind and the minds of several others. You REALLY need to actually READ the comics instead of using RANDOM Google Search scans. Pauly would actually get haxed by Mag's bloodbend since Rogue has a history of getting haxed by Mags. Remember, she's had the True Invulnerability power for YEARS.:

BTW, Pauly's Invulnerability is NOT the same type as Supes since his is NOT based on a Solar Radiation variation of the Photoelectric Effect.

This is from Magneto: Dark Sedution #4. Mags was Perm Amped for the 3rd time here. He wasn't even in the area (until the next page) when he SIMULTANEOUSLY haxed Iron Man, contained Triatholon, and Bloodbended She-Hulk to make her KO Carol Danvers and then increase the Bloodbend on She-Hulk. BTW, She-Hulk has Gamma Radiation based Invulnerability. Thus, the claim that he can't bloodbend someone that has the Invulnerability power is NOT supported by the comics. You really need to READ the comics.:

https://i.postimg.cc/gxxsK4G2/pea.jpg

BTW, Mags had NO PROBLEM Bloodbending a Full God. Herc learned this the hard way years ago. This scan is from a storyline that took place years after Mags got his 1st Perm Amp, but over 1 year BEFORE he got his 2nd Perm Amp. Does Herc have the Invulnerability power? YES. Thus, Mags would have NO PROBLEM Bloodbending Diana (Wonder Woman) and Aquaman.:
https://i.postimg.cc/wy43F5q9/hay.jpg

Polaris confirmed that Diana's armor (especially her bracers) can be haxed by Magnetic Induction. Remember, Magnetic Induction can be used to amp Voltage and/or to amp Electrical Current even in Real Life. He also confirmed that Bats has Taser circuits in his suit. Mags can hax that since he had NO PROBLEM haxing Iron Man in the Dark Seduction storyline.

https://i.postimg.cc/KRNwW9X7/dau.jpg

BTW, Diana and MMH couldn't even use their speed when they were getting haxed. The ONLY one from that team who was able to use his speed is Flash and he was able to get away w/out being haxed.

This is from the SAME storyline. That Jokerized Dr. Polaris was able to keep Supes off-balance virtually throughout the majority of that storyline. Mags is WAAAAY FASTER in the use of his powers and WAAAAY > in power and skill than Dr. Polaris. Thus, he'd have NO PROBLEM doing that to Supes.:
https://i.postimg.cc/XBVSZtSJ/sh.jpg

This is from New Mutants Vol.1 #40. This is Mags HOLDING BACK against an Avengers team. It was during the time when he had been perm altered by Moira MacTaggert. He didn't find out about that alteration until YEARS LATER. He was perm amped a 2nd Time YEARS BEFORE this instance. Herc bear hugs him and thinks Mags can't break out. Mags has NO PROBLEM expanding his Force Field so fast and so powerfully that he nearly dislocates Herc's shoulders. BTW, he did that feat shortly after almost taking the full force of Namor's punch. This was during the time when Mags was the Headmaster of Xavier's School. Emma Frost had framed him because she knew that he was going to come after her due to her sending Empath to use his Emotion Control powers on him and some of his friends in order to influence Mag's decision of letting Emma have temporary guardianship over the New Mutants.:
https://i.postimg.cc/WF1wh7YV/exa.jpg

This is from the Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Mags is INSIDE of a sealed chamber that is restoring his full power, this is how he got his 3rd Perm Amp. Wanda, Lorna (Mag's daughter), and Pietro are each trying to stop him.:
https://i.postimg.cc/LnphDsRY/fay.jpg

Next page. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to Lockdown the conscious use of their powers even when Pietro was using ALL of his speed to disassemble that tech. Remember, Pietro was MMMFTL at this time due to a Perm Amp he got from repeated and/or prolonged full body exposure to Isotope E BEFORE this storyline took place. Thus, the claim that he can't hax someone that's using Hyperspeed and/or Hyper-Running is NOT supported by the comics at all.:
https://i.postimg.cc/WdtDFHTX/ha.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mags was HOLDING back with the teen cyclops instance, did you even read the storyline?
How did he hold back his shield's durability? He was explicitly maxed out on MGH. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://i.postimg.cc/9rJZK9Lw/fa.jpg

it's OBVIOUS that you DID NOT READ that storyline where the scan is from. That scan is from the Age of X-Man event. Mags was being simultaneously AMPED to an UNSTABLE level and Mentally Dominated by Nate Grey. You need to stop w/ the random Google searches and start actually READING the comics.

This is why google should be supplemental. Magneto was coming as a *pacifist* after being mind controlled by Nate. He was trying to talk to them, not fight at that moment. Try again
What does that has to do with Archangel breaking his shields? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Pauly (the mutant in question) was highly resistant to Mag's bloodbending. However, that DID NOT keep him from NEARLY getting killed by Mags. Also, IIRC, that fight was a scenario psionically played in Mag's mind and the minds of several others. You REALLY need to actually READ the comics instead of using RANDOM Google Search scans. Pauly would actually get haxed by Mag's bloodbend since Rogue has a history of getting haxed by Mags. Remember, she's had the True Invulnerability power for YEARS.:

BTW, Pauly's Invulnerability is NOT the same type as Supes since his is NOT based on a Solar Radiation variation of the Photoelectric Effect.
Paul was almost killed by asphyxiation when Magneto tossed him into upper atmosphere.

Rogue doesn't has invulnerablity, never did.

That scene wasn't played in Magneto's mind. Northstar had to rescue Paul separately.

Its funny and sad that you ask me to read comics.

When has Magneto done anything to anyone like Superman? Post the feat where Magneto somehow drains solar radiation from someone because this is all theoretical and you're just asking us to accept Magneto beats Superman on nothing but your imagination. That's not how it works.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is from Magneto: Dark Sedution #4. Mags was Perm Amped for the 3rd time here. He wasn't even in the area (until the next page) when he SIMULTANEOUSLY haxed Iron Man, contained Triatholon, and Bloodbended She-Hulk to make her KO Carol Danvers and then increase the Bloodbend on She-Hulk. BTW, She-Hulk has Gamma Radiation based Invulnerability. Thus, the claim that he can't bloodbend someone that has the Invulnerability power is NOT supported by the comics. You really need to READ the comics.:

https://i.postimg.cc/gxxsK4G2/pea.jpg

BTW, Mags had NO PROBLEM Bloodbending a Full God. Herc learned this the hard way years ago. This scan is from a storyline that took place years after Mags got his 1st Perm Amp, but over 1 year BEFORE he got his 2nd Perm Amp. Does Herc have the Invulnerability power? YES. Thus, Mags would have NO PROBLEM Bloodbending Diana (Wonder Woman) and Aquaman.:
https://i.postimg.cc/wy43F5q9/hay.jpg

Polaris confirmed that Diana's armor (especially her bracers) can be haxed by Magnetic Induction. Remember, Magnetic Induction can be used to amp Voltage and/or to amp Electrical Current even in Real Life. He also confirmed that Bats has Taser circuits in his suit. Mags can hax that since he had NO PROBLEM haxing Iron Man in the Dark Seduction storyline.

https://i.postimg.cc/KRNwW9X7/dau.jpg

BTW, Diana and MMH couldn't even use their speed when they were getting haxed. The ONLY one from that team who was able to use his speed is Flash and he was able to get away w/out being haxed.

This is from the SAME storyline. That Jokerized Dr. Polaris was able to keep Supes off-balance virtually throughout the majority of that storyline. Mags is WAAAAY FASTER in the use of his powers and WAAAAY > in power and skill than Dr. Polaris. Thus, he'd have NO PROBLEM doing that to Supes.:
https://i.postimg.cc/XBVSZtSJ/sh.jpg

This is from New Mutants Vol.1 #40. This is Mags HOLDING BACK against an Avengers team. It was during the time when he had been perm altered by Moira MacTaggert. He didn't find out about that alteration until YEARS LATER. He was perm amped a 2nd Time YEARS BEFORE this instance. Herc bear hugs him and thinks Mags can't break out. Mags has NO PROBLEM expanding his Force Field so fast and so powerfully that he nearly dislocates Herc's shoulders. BTW, he did that feat shortly after almost taking the full force of Namor's punch. This was during the time when Mags was the Headmaster of Xavier's School. Emma Frost had framed him because she knew that he was going to come after her due to her sending Empath to use his Emotion Control powers on him and some of his friends in order to influence Mag's decision of letting Emma have temporary guardianship over the New Mutants.:
https://i.postimg.cc/WF1wh7YV/exa.jpg

This is from the Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Mags is INSIDE of a sealed chamber that is restoring his full power, this is how he got his 3rd Perm Amp. Wanda, Lorna (Mag's daughter), and Pietro are each trying to stop him.:
https://i.postimg.cc/LnphDsRY/fay.jpg

Next page. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to Lockdown the conscious use of their powers even when Pietro was using ALL of his speed to disassemble that tech. Remember, Pietro was MMMFTL at this time due to a Perm Amp he got from repeated and/or prolonged full body exposure to Isotope E BEFORE this storyline took place. Thus, the claim that he can't hax someone that's using Hyperspeed and/or Hyper-Running is NOT supported by the comics at all.:
https://i.postimg.cc/WdtDFHTX/ha.jpg
You're posting baseless assertions without anything to back them up. She Hulk isn't invulnerable and neither is Hercules/Thor.

You're still to prove Magneto is more powerful or skilled than Dr Polaris from JLA 59.

Despite all of these power ups, Magneto gets his ass kicked by X men and nearly killed himself beating a predator x.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I was talking about him beating Superman tbf, the JL is debatable because per the op Mags has his shields up and his shields tanked attacks from powerful beings

Mags can even control gamma radiation, UV, light (this includes non-visible forms of light like x-rays), heat, and even gravitons using his Energy Control powers. Being that he has a history of haxing Earth's sun, it stands to reason that he should also have no problem manipulating solar radiation as well as cosmic radiation (which is basically equal to gamma radiation in its EM frequency). This scan is from a previous edition of the OHOTMU from the 80s.:
https://i.postimg.cc/xk2J8kH0/hea.jpg


this is Pre Crisis Supes giving blood to Lana and Lois (IIRC). This means that he is most likely a Universal Donor (a term used in hematology) and that Kryptonians have blood iron content comparable and/or compatible to that of humans.:
https://i.postimg.cc/R6bwWS4X/bla.png

an even OLDER scan. Notice that the doc confirms that Supes blood conforms (is compatible) w/ all 4 (known at the time) blood types. That means that he's a Universal Blood Donor at the time.:
https://i.postimg.cc/VrRmgvdW/ira.jpg

So not sure why sure why Mags couldn't bloodbend him... or other things..

If I can see Supes punching through more durable things than Mags shield I'll concede

If you had wanted to argue about Superman V Magneto, you could have just used a thread where Superman fights Magneto instead of dressing it up like this.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Polaris confirmed that Diana's armor (especially her bracers) can be haxed by Magnetic Induction. Remember, Magnetic Induction can be used to amp Voltage and/or to amp Electrical Current even in Real Life. He also confirmed that Bats has Taser circuits in his suit. Mags can hax that since he had NO PROBLEM haxing Iron Man in the Dark Seduction storyline.

That's pre-52. n52/Rebirth has her bracers made of a different material - you'd need to prove they can be affected in the same way. Batman is also stronger/faster than pre-52.


OK.


He doesn't have an entire graveyard of ships to call upon in this fight, so not sure what this proves?

You KEEP using this storyline as 'proof'. Conveniently forgetting that the JLA were there to talk Dr Polaris down:
https://i.postimg.cc/853jTTH6/RCO014-1468899775.jpg

In this fight, they're not going in to try and beg him to stop.



Pietro isn't trying to stop him directly - he's distracted and trying to dismantle the machine, lmao.

Flash can feel the EM pulses, and react accordingly:
https://i.imgur.com/Myk4aIM.png

And the more Magneto concentrates on his FF (which, lets be honest, he WILL be when Cyborg is hitting it with sonics, Superman is punching it, WW is punching etc), the more oxygen he uses up.

http://i.imgur.com/vTcAJsd.jpg

Magneto's FF is strong, I agree. He still needs to breathe. And that assumes he can't just get through the FF - he did so against the Turtle's Still Force, his Kryptonite.

1 on 1, sure, he COULD have a chance. All together? No.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read all of those. Kindly explain where Rachel was avatar of Phoenix at the time of UXM 196 as you claimed?

The Avatar of the Phoenix can be both in a Manifestation State or in a host state (as in the case of Rachel). We saw the Manifestation State in the instance where the 1st Feron summoned the PF. Rachel was the Host State AoPF BEFORE #196 since it was CONFIRMED several times that she had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her WAAAAAY BEFORE she even entered Project Nimrod w/ 811 Kitty. She did NOT realize that it was INSIDE of her until #199. In the storyline where she fights Necrom, she CONFIRMS that the portion of the PF felt FAMILIAR to her when 811 Kitty's Post Hypnotic Command triggered it's use that allowed Rachel to travel to the 616. Remember, even the OHOTMU CONFIRMS that the PF had PERM AMPED Rachel BEFORE she even went to Project Nimrod. Thus, she was already USING a portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her WAAAAAY before she came to the 616. She just DID NOT realize it at the time.

---->Havok was AMPED by Emma's TP Hax powers when he was beating Mags. He DID NOT bypass the shields. He WORE them down enough to PENETRATE THEM. Also, Havok's powers have the side effect of HAXING EM energies. You really need to actually READ up on how his powers work. Havok had HELP from Emma Frost when he did that feat.

I haven't seen Supes punched through a Force Field tougher than that of a Non-Weakened Full Power Mag's w/out Supes being Amped and/or helped

BTW, Lex explained how Supes was able to counter the Force Fields and/or Reality Warp Effects of Dominus. He explained that the MORE Supes FOCUSED Mentally, the LESS EFFECTIVE Dominus' powers were on him. This was due to the fact that Dominus was using Supes OWN imagination and/or insecurities AGAINST him to basically improve the EFFECTIVENESS of his attacks on Supes at the time. Mag's Force Field and attacks DO NOT work like that at all. They are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

I'll explain EXACTLY how a FULL POWER NON-WEAKENED Mags can beat that JL team (the one pictured).

The Jokerized Dr. Polaris used his hax powers to make himself a Living Magnetic Pole. The JL team that fought him could NOT go all out against him since there was a HIGH CHANCE of causing MASSIVE disruptions to Earth's Magnetic Field as well as destabilizing the planet. It took them a WHILE to figure out a way to DISRUPT his hax enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. IIRC, it was GL (Kyle) and Plastic Man that came up w/ the idea. Before they used that idea as well as teamwork, they were getting soloed by Dr. Polaris. The ONLY 2 members of that team that managed to NOT get haxed by him were Flash (he was able to get out of the Line of Sight range of Dr. Polaris) and Plastic Man (his special physiology rendered Dr. P's hax attacks virtually ineffective against him).


I'll address the other posts in a few

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The Jokerized Dr. Polaris used his hax powers to make himself a Living Magnetic Pole. The JL team that fought him could NOT go all out against him since there was a HIGH CHANCE of causing MASSIVE disruptions to Earth's Magnetic Field as well as destabilizing the planet. It took them a WHILE to figure out a way to DISRUPT his hax enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. IIRC, it was GL (Kyle) and Plastic Man that came up w/ the idea. Before they used that idea as well as teamwork, they were getting soloed by Dr. Polaris. The ONLY 2 members of that team that managed to NOT get haxed by him were Flash (he was able to get out of the Line of Sight range of Dr. Polaris) and Plastic Man (his special physiology rendered Dr. P's hax attacks virtually ineffective against him).


I'll address the other posts in a few

They were there to talk him down.

Superman was also not 'haxxed' against.

Cyborg can also BFR, as well as create his own EM field:
https://i.imgur.com/ncC5PQp.jpg

As well as use sonics(unless we are to argue Magneto blocks ALL sound? That makes him deaf, lmao):

https://i.imgur.com/CAy1Tkh.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The Avatar of the Phoenix can be both in a Manifestation State or in a host state (as in the case of Rachel). We saw the Manifestation State in the instance where the 1st Feron summoned the PF. Rachel was the Host State AoPF BEFORE #196 since it was CONFIRMED several times that she had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her WAAAAAY BEFORE she even entered Project Nimrod w/ 811 Kitty. She did NOT realize that it was INSIDE of her until #199. In the storyline where she fights Necrom, she CONFIRMS that the portion of the PF felt FAMILIAR to her when 811 Kitty's Post Hypnotic Command triggered it's use that allowed Rachel to travel to the 616. Remember, even the OHOTMU CONFIRMS that the PF had PERM AMPED Rachel BEFORE she even went to Project Nimrod. Thus, she was already USING a portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her WAAAAAY before she came to the 616. She just DID NOT realize it at the time.
Wut? Why can't you answer it in simple terms? Was she a Phoenix host or not and was she allowed full access to its power? Yes or no.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
---->Havok was AMPED by Emma's TP Hax powers when he was beating Mags. He DID NOT bypass the shields. He WORE them down enough to PENETRATE THEM. Also, Havok's powers have the side effect of HAXING EM energies. You really need to actually READ up on how his powers work. Havok had HELP from Emma Frost when he did that feat.

What is this hax gibberish? Havok had Emma remove his mental barriers to access all his power which he normally can't do as it will leave him powerless.

And it wasn't some hax bullshit, it was heat from his blast which broke through his shields. Which is confirmed to be Magneto's Strongest shields.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qlqLLi8ms7g/Ws4Z1wu1HtI/AAAAAAAAGY0/dVFOAA0tbUQIVUpXFnGQM3IpSKkdMv7IwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SZD8Zac1FMM/Ws4Z2epdfrI/AAAAAAAAGZA/wkJV_20PKsglcPWv8lofWp5Xw_okAMZDgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO015.jpg

So much hax, how can Superman compete with Havok. Its not like he has heat vision.

Stop ****ing lying.