Team Angels vs Team Meta/Monitors vs Team Imps

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MrMind
Team Angels:
Fallen One
Lucifer Morningstar
Gabriel Hornblower (Sword of Azazel)
Michael Demiurgos
Zauriel (N52)
Phantom Stranger
Spectre (full power)

Team Meta/Monitors:
Nix Uotan
Cosmic Armor Superman
Quantum Superman
Mandrakk
World Forger
Anti-Monitor
The Monitor
Perpetua
Yellow Aliens
The Empty Hand

Team Imps:
Mr Mxy
Batmite
Qwsp
Lord Vyndktvx
Ultimator
LKZ & YZ
Klyzyzk Klzntplkz
King Brpxz

DeadpoolXXX
team meta

theres really no beating the yellow aliens

LordGod
Good point. thumb up

deft
Team Meta. Without the Yellow Aliens, probably i'd say that the Team Archangel wins.

xJLxKing
Team meta

zopzop
How does Team Mxy not win? He's already destroyed and effortlessly recreated all of DC (the entire company).
https://i.postimg.cc/xJN0MNJ9/4804830-6008067545-r3-OTU.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/Kkx6vKP9/4477616-mr-mxy-next-tuesday.jpg

xJLxKing
There are a lot of contradicting or overlapping power levels

Mxy did destroy the entire DCU.
Perpatua DID create DCU, which does include Mxy. While her feat at the moment are questionable, what's been established by Snyder isn't. She did create the DCU.


Beyond that, most of the characters listed on the Meta team are...well meta's. Quantum Superman was pretty much manipulating the story. Unfortunately, he has 1 appearance so we can't put a good pinpoint on his power.
Mandrakk and CAS despite operating in a smaller dimension than Mxy are likely his equals.

The Empty Hand..Lets be real, he destroy Nix who was supposed to be "The Monitor/TheUltraMonitor".

The reason why I do not mention the other Imps, it's because they are irrelevant. Mxy has already been established to be the strongest Imp

MrMind
Wanna see King Galan's take on this

Galan007
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Perpatua DID create DCU, which does include Mxy. There is no proof(or reason to suspect) that Perpetua created the 5th dimension/Mxy.

So far as we know, she 'only' created the dimensional space that comprises the mainstream multiverse(up to and including the Monitor Sphere and Dark Multiverse.) She essentially created everything we see on the front(and back) of Morrison's Map -- that was her essential function/purpose, after all.

However, there is absolutely no indication that she created anything outside of the multiverse... And the 5th dimension is very much outside of the multiverse:
https://i.imgur.com/XmoMvG7.jpg

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

xJLxKing

Galan007
Imagination as a concept is indeed part of Perpetua's creation. However, imagination also has its own numerical designation within DC's greater superstructure: the 5th dimension/Zrfff, of which exists outside of the multiverse, and therefore outside of Perpetua's immediate 'scope'.

That said, while Perpetua may not have personally created the concept/dimension of imagination, it is still a fundamental component within her multiverse(obviously.) In this case, imagination is incorporated into the mainstream multiverse by way of The Bleed:
https://i.imgur.com/1T4lFQO.jpg
"Imagination is the blood of the multiverse -- the energy that flows between the realms."

So far as we know, Perpetua's influence is confined exclusively to the mainstream multiverse and its corresponding cosmology(like Hypertime and the Dark Multiverse.) But again: multiversal creation is the function she was explicitly created for, so that's no surprise.

MrMind

Galan007
There are infinite multiverses in DC cosmology.

Unless they all exist independent of imagination(which is unlikely/impossible, given that they are fictional), then it is entirely possible that the 5th dimension is tapped-into/utilized by each and every multiverse in DC cosmology. IOW, it could very well be an Omniversal force.

MrMind
Originally posted by Galan007
There are infinite multiverses in DC cosmology.

Unless they all exist independent of imagination(which is unlikely/impossible, given that they are fictional), then it is entirely possible that the 5th dimension is tapped-into/utilized by each and every multiverse in DC cosmology. IOW, it could very well be an Omniversal force.

that would make sense since mxy can travel through hypertime going into places like DC animation and DC lego

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220624/5787257-0733378693-57863.jpg

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Mxy an embodiment of imagination in the DC Multiverse. This does not make him the embodiment of imagination in the multiverses outside of DC. smile

MrMind
no one is saying anything about outside of dc though

we are just saying the dc omniverse is much bigger than perpetua's creation, meaning 5th dimension could transcend perpetua's creation

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

MrMind

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Galan007
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Mxy is the embodiment of imagination in the DC Multiverse, but the 5th dimension does not necessarily exist in the same way in every multiverse across the greater omniverse. In the same way? Maybe, maybe not. But we do know that the concept of imagination must be present within those multiverses on *some* level, as they obviously cannot exist independent of imagination.

Hence why it is entirely possible that the 5th dimension itself is an Omniversal force that spans across, and links, all of the fictional works in DC's superstructure.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Furthermore, we already know the 5th dimension doesn't transcend perpetua's creation, because otherwise the destruction of the source wall wouldn't have an effect on it, nor would the Sixth Dimension, which is part of the DC Multiverse, be beyond it. The destruction of the Source Wall affected the concept of imagination WITHIN Perpetua's multiverse, but that certainly doesn't preclude the notion that the 5th dimension itself transcends Perpetua's one multiverse. I say again: there is absolutely NO proof that Perpetua created the concept of imagination/5th dimension/Zrfff, as it canonically exists OUTSIDE OF her multiverse.

And the 6th dimension is not part of the mainstream multiverse that Perpetua created. It, like the 5th dimension, is outside of the multiverse.

MrMind

SithLantern93
bump

deft
Team Meta.

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