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Who is winning this?

Is CK multiversal?

^ Almost, but not quite.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Almost, but not quite. Well beyond that, I don't know that much about either one, so based off of your answer I'll go with WF.

World Forger swings his hammer.

World forger got koed by a continental level punch

Chaos King destroyed Marvel's infinite multiverses

DC only got 52 universes, World Forger created a very small multiverse

Completely different level.

Chaos King destroy World Forger along with the rest of DC with a single handwave

Lol... someone made you angry

Forger kills him.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... someone made you angry

You, and your retarded post. I wasn't angry before you entering this thread, I am now

World Forger stomps.
He is multi-multiversal at least.

Originally posted by CatL18
World Forger stomps.
He is multi-multiversal at least. Can WF do anything without his hammer and whatever other tools he uses? That's like me using a flamethrower and burning down 5 houses and people crediting what the flamethrower did to me because I used it.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Can WF do anything without his hammer and whatever other tools he uses? That's like me using a flamethrower and burning down 5 houses and people crediting what the flamethrower did to me because I used it.

Can Hal do anything without that GL ring of his?

Can Stark fight without his armour?

Truly, such burning questions!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can Hal do anything without that GL ring of his?

Can Stark fight without his armour?

Truly, such burning questions!!! So Hal and Stark are nothing without their ring and armor then? Thanks for clearing that up👍

Stop trolling.

The point is that in a forum match, Hal is always assumed to have his GL ring, Iron Man is always assumed to have his armor, and yes, World Forger is always assumed to have his hammer.

The 'standard equipment' rule isn't exactly new...

Also, his hammer, he can just make it..like appear whenever he wants..

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
So Hal and Stark are nothing without their ring and armor then? Thanks for clearing that up👍

What Galan said

And yeah. It's not like Alfred or anybody can just swing that hammer.....

No, he cant.

Are you guys sure about this?

OK I havent been able to find an instance of him creating a universe without the forge. But he created barbatos, his "pet" that consumes decaying universes.

Originally posted by carver9
No, he cant.
He can create the anvil anywhere he wants. Do, what's your point?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He can create the anvil anywhere he wants. Do, what's your point?

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009149/SmartSelect_20191105-235330_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009150/SmartSelect_20191105-235718_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009151/SmartSelect_20191105-235933_Chrome.jpg.html

He can?

Originally posted by carver9
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009149/SmartSelect_20191105-235330_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009150/SmartSelect_20191105-235718_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009151/SmartSelect_20191105-235933_Chrome.jpg.html

He can?
That's for replacing the multiverse, not creating anything. He created the anvil from nothing in Hall of Justice while weakened.

https://imgur.com/a/7M2rcxK

And he didn't need it to create universes before.

https://i.postimg.cc/wv8wP1CT/image.jpg

When are you going to stop lowballing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's for replacing the multiverse, not creating anything. He created the anvil from nothing in Hall of Justice while weakened.

https://imgur.com/a/7M2rcxK

And he didn't need it to create universes before.

https://i.postimg.cc/wv8wP1CT/image.jpg

When are you going to stop lowballing?

That first scan proves that the power comes from WF.
He said that even in his diminished state every strike of the hammer can create a universe.
So basically even when weakened he can create universes.

Originally posted by carver9
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009149/SmartSelect_20191105-235330_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009150/SmartSelect_20191105-235718_Chrome.jpg.html

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/45009151/SmartSelect_20191105-235933_Chrome.jpg.html

He can? That's the Crisis Anvil... Not the same as the 'regular' Anvil that WF typically uses to hammer-out universes/multiverses/Hypertime.

In the scene you posted, WF was waiting specifically to use the Crisis Anvil, because he wanted to replace the existing multiverse with the new multiverse he had constructed, without attracting the attention of the Judges of the Source... And the best way to prevent the Judges from noticing what he'd done was by way of the Crisis Anvil.


But like abhi said: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can manifest/use his regular Anvil whenever(and wherever) he wants:

https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg

WTF is this argument now lmao.

Can Stark fire rockets and lasers without his suit? Can Hal do a. krona Buster without his ring? Can Thor manipulate energy without Mjolnir?

Not sure what all this stupidity is for, lol. Do we need to clarify that Hal has his ring when we create GL threads? Does Richard Rider need his helmet? Do we need to clarify that Quasar has his bands?

Ffs lol.

SMH. Nobody gives a rats ass about KMC Superman. The point that people are trying to make is that people using tools to perform a feat is very different from someone doing it without tools. As far as Stark and his lasers and missiles and the krona buster. Stark and Hal can do those things with tools, but the man Himself can be koed by Mike Tyson without shields or armor, but Tyson cannot ko Thor who used his hammer. Big difference. The question is. What category is WF in?

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
SMH. Nobody gives a rats ass about KMC Superman. The point that people are trying to make is that people using tools to perform a feat is very different from someone doing it without tools. As far as Stark and his lasers and missiles and the krona buster. Stark and Hal can do those things with tools, but the man Himself can be koed by Mike Tyson without shields or armor, but Tyson cannot ko Thor who used his hammer. Big difference. The question is. What category is WF in?

What does it matter?

No one says Hal/Stark/Rider/Wendell are all street tier, do they?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WTF is this argument now lmao.

Can Stark fire rockets and lasers without his suit? Can Hal do a. krona Buster without his ring? Can Thor manipulate energy without Mjolnir?

Not sure what all this stupidity is for, lol. Do we need to clarify that Hal has his ring when we create GL threads? Does Richard Rider need his helmet? Do we need to clarify that Quasar has his bands?

Ffs lol.

Why are you coming in salty and ranting over a point Galen already addressed and we have moved forward from?

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
SMH. Nobody gives a rats ass about KMC Superman. The point that people are trying to make is that people using tools to perform a feat is very different from someone doing it without tools. As far as Stark and his lasers and missiles and the krona buster. Stark and Hal can do those things with tools, but the man Himself can be koed by Mike Tyson without shields or armor, but Tyson cannot ko Thor who used his hammer. Big difference. The question is. What category is WF in? you are so damn stupid.

the point is that world forger ALWAYS has access to his hammer and anvil. end of story. youre just trying to strip him of those for some reason because you are trying to lowball.......because you are a troll (and a bad one at that).



pathetic

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why are you coming in salty and ranting over a point Galen already addressed and we have moved forward from?

Lol.

See JBL's post AFTER mine. Moved on, have WE?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

See JBL's post AFTER mine. Moved on, have WE?

We had until you brought us back to it.

Ah, as I had seen no posts and nobody acknowledging and agreeing with Galan, I assumed you boys were still in disagreement with it. I mean, he hasn't posted anything new or unseen, so the fact that people were disagreeing meant that they MUST have been privy to some secret knowledge.

But it seems the scans are the same as had always been there

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you are so damn stupid.

the point is that world forger ALWAYS has access to his hammer and anvil. end of story. youre just trying to strip him of those for some reason because you are trying to lowball.......because you are a troll (and a bad one at that).



pathetic

It's a moot point. The anvil has not shown any battle application. What's he going to do, start hammering out universes mid-battle? That's how he gets knocked out the last time.

So relative to battle would be that which he has achieved with what could be used in battle. Of course, he can swing a hammer in battle. In a universe creating contest, bring on the anvil.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, as I had seen no posts and nobody acknowledging and agreeing with Galan, I assumed you boys were still in disagreement with it. I mean, he hasn't posted anything new or unseen, so the fact that people were disagreeing meant that they MUST have been privy to some secret knowledge.

But it seems the scans are the same as had always been there

Who showed disagreement with it? I didn't. That was never my argument.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's a moot point. The anvil has not shown any battle application. What's he going to do, start hammering out universes mid-battle? That's how he gets knocked out the last time.

So relative to battle would be that which he has achieved with what could be used in battle. Of course, he can swing a hammer in battle. In a universe creating contest, bring on the anvil.
He can strike with enough power to create a universe. That's going to **** up Chaos king.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What does it matter?

No one says Hal/Stark/Rider/Wendell are all street tier, do they?
Ok I might understand the point he's trying to make, but I'm not 100% sure. If I'm correct, I think the issue being put forth is that unlike Thor's hammer(which gets used directly against an opponent) when discussing WF there's something of a ritual involved in the creation of the multiverse. If someone can wave their hand and create a universe or multiverse, that's something of a direct indication of how much power they can bring to bear at any one moment. But when there's ritual involved there's less direct correlation between the feat and the characters specific offensive/defensive capabilities in a fight scenario. By the same token, Odin can use a ritual to create a weapon that can kill Celestials, but we know for a fact that he himself can't hurt a Celestial. And to an extent some level of recognition of the process used is warranted. After all it's not like WF's opponents are required to stand around and wait for the guy to pound away on his anvil for long enough to unleash a multiverse's worth of power as if he's charging up an attack on DBZ.

From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok I might understand the point he's trying to make, but I'm not 100% sure. If I'm correct, I think the issue being put forth is that unlike Thor's hammer(which gets used directly against an opponent) when discussing WF there's something of a ritual involved in the creation of the multiverse. If someone can wave their hand and create a universe or multiverse, that's something of a direct indication of how much power they can bring to bear at any one moment. But when there's ritual involved there's less direct correlation between the feat and the characters specific offensive/defensive capabilities in a fight scenario. By the same token, Odin can use a ritual to create a weapon that can kill Celestials, but we know for a fact that he himself can't hurt a Celestial. And to an extent some level of recognition of the process used is warranted. After all it's not like WF's opponents are required to stand around and wait for the guy to pound away on his anvil for long enough to unleash a multiverse's worth of power as if he's charging up an attack on DBZ.

From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.

Excellent post.

We have already seen Forger use the energy to create a universe redirected to power a ship.

https://imgur.com/a/7M2rcxK

Why wouldn't he be able to redirect it to Chaos King's face?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Excellent post.
Yeah well, at the same time Marvel fans need to stop trying to frame the character based on stuff they know doesn't exist. He's meant to be one of the most powerful guys in DC, he's an abstract level character. He's not going to have a lot of feats that are viable in a vs thread. Odin probably has better feats than Eternity, doesn't mean a damn thing.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So are you saying that he can create universes without the anvil?

As far as I can see, where the anvil comes from is an unknown even if he can summon it any time. But so far, it appears necessary for the creation of universes and multiverses and has shown nothing to indicate applicability in battle. That is why I ask about what he has shown with just the hammer and himself.

Someone mentioned the creation of his pet. Okay, that's a good one. A universe eater. A comparable character would perhaps be Hunger. That very pet also killed WF. one, there is no comparison. 2, did that pet kill Wf in the 6th dimension? Nope, he was killed outside of the 6th dimension and then was reborn back in the 6th dimension.

In the 6th dimension WF picked up that same universe destroyer like he was a little mouse. That should tell you how much more powerful he is in his domain which is the 6th dimension.
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The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)

Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:

https://i.imgur.com/2277Pcx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pW8Wtfz.jpg


And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg



So I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly

From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.

Originally posted by Galan007
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)

Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:

https://i.imgur.com/2277Pcx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pW8Wtfz.jpg


And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg



So I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly

From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here. indeed it does.

Originally posted by Galan007
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)

Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:

https://i.imgur.com/2277Pcx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pW8Wtfz.jpg


And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg



So I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly

From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here.
Well personally, I was only referring to the big thing at the end. Anything he did beyond that is totally outside of my knowledge of the guy. I thought that was something that was being directly discussed because since the whole thing went down it seems like it's always being discussed lol.

Originally posted by Diesldude
one, there is no comparison. 2, did that pet kill Wf in the 6th dimension? Nope, he was killed outside of the 6th dimension and then was reborn back in the 6th dimension.

In the 6th dimension WF picked up that same universe destroyer like he was a little mouse. That should tell you how much more powerful he is in his domain which is the 6th dimension.
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WF is in the Prime Universe when he picks it up like a mouse. So it appears that the size has no meaning. And WF was not residing in the 6th dimension when killed. He resided at the World Forge where he was presumably fully powered at that location.

World Forge is in third dimension (dark multiverse). So not at full power.

Yep. They did make it a point to say that Forger is considerably weakened when he has to operate in the third dimension.

I also don't think it was shown -how- Barbatos managed to "kill" Forger. It could have used some unrevealed super-weapon for all we know,.

Yeah, we have no context for how Barbatos kills Forger, and we at least know that Alpheus can keep Barbatos as a tiny, subservient pet for billions of years while he eats (infinities of) universes.

Originally posted by lawest9
Is CK multiversal?

Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.

https://imgur.com/a/Yx3BP3A

Hmm... An amusing and humorous thread. Carry on.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.

https://imgur.com/a/Yx3BP3A
What's multiverse level there?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes. While WF is taking time to lift his hammer to tedeously redirect energy, CK knocks him out with a multiversal punch.

https://imgur.com/a/Yx3BP3A

You forgot that WF is fast enough to intercept a raging Superman's fist with a finger

Originally posted by abhilegend
What's multiverse level there?

Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.

CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.

ah so now youre using perpetua to downplay world forger......because apparently his feats of creating multiverses and hypertime are no longer relevant right?

you goons are so pathetic

What is it with people thinking creating and destroying are the same thing

good point. creating requires exponentially more energy then destruction does.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.

CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.

or World Forger is capable of creating 2 multiverses with hypertime and Perpetua is more powerful than him

They are beings capable of creating sphere of gods and higher dimension planes that infinitely dwarf 3rd dimension multiverse

there's also statement that CK only destroyed 98.7 percent of the universe, Hercules mentioned he only repaired the unifverse that CK destroyed.

So WF stomps via superior DC Cosmology

See how downplaying works both ways. you guys never stop the regurgitated crap

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11121/111216993/4538861-1976393-chaos_war__5_025.jpg

Yes they aren't the same thing, Creating is more impressive than destroying.
Creating something from nothingness is more impressive than destroying an already built thing
That said, When WF's creating universe from nothingness it collateral damage could shatter the mainstream reality

like it's been years people still don't get the concept of compare both combatants highest feats and lowest feats side by side, all showings need to be considered.

they are around the same level, both multiversal
with WF being a notch above based on the fact he exist in a infinite higher plane of existence outside of the infinite multiverse which most marvel cosmic beings have no answer for

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.

CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.

This reminds me of the time Superman lifted 50% of a book with infinite pages.....

Then that same Superman, whilst amped, was only able to briefly stun the WF

Originally posted by Galan007
The only time a 'ritual' is involved is when WF wants to summon/use the Crisis Anvil specifically... But like I said before, the implication is that he *only* wanted to use the Crisis Anvil during the JL arc in order to replace multiverses without being detected by the Judges of the Source(because they might have destroyed him for doing such a thing.)

Apart from that, WF simply uses his 'regular' hammer/anvil to endlessly populate the entire multiversal superstructure(from the Monitor Sphere, all the way down to the Dark Multiverse.) That is his fundamental purpose, after all:

https://i.imgur.com/2277Pcx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pW8Wtfz.jpg


And as mentioned: even in a greatly diminished state, WF can summon his 'regular' hammer/anvil at will, and start unleashing universal energy:
https://i.imgur.com/2M9vnGb.jpg



So I'm curious why in the hell people are trying to categorize his power without the hammer/anvil? To put the stupidity of such a question into perspective, that is like asking what Anti-Monitor would be capable of if anti-matter didn't exist. srsly

From the outside looking in, it does indeed like new depths to the lowballing are being reached here. Show WF hammer or anvil defeating a powerful foe. Show WF using his tools in combat. Show WF himself in prolonged combat so that we can see what he got. That's all we are asking.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
WF is in the Prime Universe when he picks it up like a mouse. So it appears that the size has no meaning. And WF was not residing in the 6th dimension when killed. He resided at the World Forge where he was presumably fully powered at that location. since wf was outside of the 6th dimension you can acknowledge that barbatos killed a limited weaker version. This particular lowballing argument can stop now. Yeah?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Both combatants. Heck, Perpetua with most of her power back has to take a prolonged period of time after destroying a universe to regain the energy to destroy another. It will take her a while to destroy the other 51 universes. She is more powerful than WF.

CK at that point had destroyed 98.7% of what was an infinite multiverse at the time.
Chaos King took months and destroyed nothing but pocket dimensions of gods.

Heck even Eternity and Nightmare are above Mikaboshi now.

https://i.imgur.com/JS6EyvL.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok I might understand the point he's trying to make, but I'm not 100% sure. If I'm correct, I think the issue being put forth is that unlike Thor's hammer(which gets used directly against an opponent) when discussing WF there's something of a ritual involved in the creation of the multiverse. If someone can wave their hand and create a universe or multiverse, that's something of a direct indication of how much power they can bring to bear at any one moment. But when there's ritual involved there's less direct correlation between the feat and the characters specific offensive/defensive capabilities in a fight scenario. By the same token, Odin can use a ritual to create a weapon that can kill Celestials, but we know for a fact that he himself can't hurt a Celestial. And to an extent some level of recognition of the process used is warranted. After all it's not like WF's opponents are required to stand around and wait for the guy to pound away on his anvil for long enough to unleash a multiverse's worth of power as if he's charging up an attack on DBZ.

From the little I know of the WF, it honestly seems like he's one of those guys who should be avoided in threads because he just doesn't have all that much to go on. Mistress Love and Sire Hate have way more appearances than WF, but we don't bother putting them in threads because there's just no way to actually judge what we've seen from them. I'm not denying WF's power because he's obviously meant to be one of DC's 4 highest guns, I'm just saying that like most abstract level characters any discussion specifically dependent upon his feats is going to fall flat.

Sock alert.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Show WF hammer or anvil defeating a powerful foe. Show WF using his tools in combat. Show WF himself in prolonged combat so that we can see what he got. That's all we are asking. Show TOAA doing something like this. Does his lack of direct h2h/combat feats make him any less supreme, iyo?

Or is it possible that maybe, just maybe, we don't need to see these upper-echelon cosmic/abstract beings routinely throwing fisticuffs with 'the villain of the week' in order to get a proper bearing on their level of power..? You realize this isn't Wolverine or Daredevil, right..?

Of course, I don't expect you to ever acknowledge this(you and the others will tap dance around these facts as always), but most who are actually capable of looking at things logically, and independent of preconceived company biases, realize that a character who has created two complete multiverses(including their higher-dimensional realms), created Hypertime itself, created a being whose purpose is to endlessly devour universes, and created the infinities of universes that fell into the Dark Multiverse... Is undoubtedly packing multiversal++ power, and can only be challenged by those who are operating on a similar level.

Your incessant denial of the facts will never change this... But you do you.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Sock alert. It doesn't appear to be Mr Master for once, so that's a nice surprise.

I bet on pure strength feats, Batman is stronger than TOAA

I dont understand why some people keep asking what wf could do without his hammer.Even though wf hammer i was his default equipment and when he striking/using the hammer was basically using his own power. It was like asking what a character can do without his/her powers

The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep.

Originally posted by carver9
The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep. How many teleportation resistance feats does TOAA have? Scans please.

Cyborg would boomtube TOAA away.

Hell, even Morrison's Batman had JLA teleport tech...

I also would like to see TOAA and the LTs resistance to salt transmutation, when Firestorm goes up against them.

Originally posted by Galan007
How many teleportation resistance feats does TOAA have? Scans please. I also doubt Odin can teleport himself in and out of the 6th dimension and looks like he forgot about the forum rules.

Why is TOAA being brought up?

Because it's an analogy so people can understand?

Originally posted by Galan007
Show TOAA doing something like this. Does his lack of direct h2h/combat feats make him any less supreme, iyo?

Or is it possible that maybe, just maybe, we don't need to see these upper-echelon cosmic/abstract beings routinely throwing fisticuffs with 'the villain of the week' in order to get a proper bearing on their level of power..? You realize this isn't Wolverine or Daredevil, right..?

Of course, I don't expect you to ever acknowledge this(you and the others will tap dance around these facts as always), but most who are actually capable of looking at things logically, and independent of preconceived company biases, realize that a character who has created two complete multiverses(including their higher-dimensional realms), created Hypertime itself, created a being whose purpose is to endlessly devour universes, and created the infinities of universes that fell into the Dark Multiverse... Is undoubtedly packing multiversal++ power, and can only be challenged by those who are operating on a similar level.

Your incessant denial of the facts will never change this... But you do you.

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Originally posted by carver9
The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep.

I love you carver, but

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cyborg would boomtube TOAA away.

Hell, even Morrison's Batman had JLA teleport tech...

I also would like to see TOAA and the LTs resistance to salt transmutation, when Firestorm goes up against them. Firestorm > God.

Confirmed by carver, for carver.

Originally posted by Galan007
Firestorm > God.

Confirmed by carver, for carver.


I thought that's common knowledge at this point.

Originally posted by carver9
The moral is, World Forger is ftless. His only showing is against a weakened Superman. Then, he seems to be more powerful in the 6th dimension than anything. Can he resist someone teleporting him to another dimension? If so, scans please. What if Odin teleported him to another dimension during a fight, does he have showings proving that a weakened WF could hang with Odin? Combo, teleport, beat to sleep.

He is shown here engaged in combat using his hammer.

https://imgur.com/a/o5kXVOM

Jesus...the stupidity is astounding...seriously. The anti Supes brigade is STILL trying to downplay Superman's feat. How long ago did that happen now? Do you guys ever get tired of trying to think of new ways to lowball that feat and Superman? My God...it's just...wow.

Seriously, give it up. You are actually doing more harm to your pet characters than good. I get it. You don't like the implications of Superman destroying a multiverse and taking out a multiversal being. You are worried it means that Supes will easily beat your favorite characters. You're right. He would. EASILY. Deal with it. All the denial in the world won't change the color of the sky to green. All you are doing is giving Hulk, Thor, or anyone you champion a bad name and making neutral parties think that Hulk fans and others are irrational crybabies who can't accept reality. Your favorites are NOT the strongest. Maybe you should start to question why they have to be to you.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He is shown here engaged in combat using his hammer.

https://imgur.com/a/o5kXVOM

Are those beings they are fighting universal?

Originally posted by emporerpants
Jesus...the stupidity is astounding...seriously. The anti Supes brigade is STILL trying to downplay Superman's feat. How long ago did that happen now? Do you guys ever get tired of trying to think of new ways to lowball that feat and Superman? My God...it's just...wow.

Seriously, give it up. You are actually doing more harm to your pet characters than good. I get it. You don't like the implications of Superman destroying a multiverse and taking out a multiversal being. You are worried it means that Supes will easily beat your favorite characters. You're right. He would. EASILY. Deal with it. All the denial in the world won't change the color of the sky to green. All you are doing is giving Hulk, Thor, or anyone you champion a bad name and making neutral parties think that Hulk fans and others are irrational crybabies who can't accept reality. Your favorites are NOT the strongest. Maybe you should start to question why they have to be to you. Who the hell is talking about Superman but YOU?? Does your love for Superman blind you? We are talking about WF, not your lover Superman. Oh I'm sorry, it's Superman who swings a hammer against an anvil right? No one could care less about Superman in this thread.😭

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Who the hell is talking about Superman but YOU?? Does your love for Superman blind you? We are talking about WF, not your lover Superman. Oh I'm sorry, it's Superman who swings a hammer against an anvil right? No one could care less about Superman in this thread.😭


Ok dude...it's obvious to everyone that the only reason anyone is disputing how strong world forger is is because he got taken down by Supes. Are you really going to try and claim otherwise? How stupid do you think we are? IF WF wasn't taken down by supes with implication being that Supes can take down a multiversal being you lot would not be disputing his power. Seriously. You lot are SUPER transparent.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Ok dude...it's obvious to everyone that the only reason anyone is disputing how strong world forger is is because he got taken down by Supes. Are you really going to try and claim otherwise? How stupid do you think we are? IF WF wasn't taken down by supes with implication being that Supes can take down a multiversal being you lot would not be disputing his power. Seriously. You lot are SUPER transparent.

If someone would've made a thread of World Forger vs Odin, even without the Superman showing I would have disputed it because he is ftless.

Originally posted by carver9
If someone would've made a thread of World Forger vs Odin, even without the Superman showing I would have disputed it because he is ftless.

Based on QUANTIFIABLE feats, Batman is stronger than TOAA.

Originally posted by carver9
If someone would've made a thread of World Forger vs Odin, even without the Superman showing I would have disputed it because he is ftless.
Well because you're a marvel fanboy, what else is expected?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well because you're a marvel fanboy, what else is expected?

What Marvel characters with no fts have I given a win against with characters that have fts?

TOAA vs Batman. Who wins?

Then let's have TOAA vs Superman.

Um TOBA, the opposite of TOAA have quantifiable established feats

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Um TOBA, the opposite of TOAA have quantifiable established feats

Erm that's not what I asked for, I asked for TOAA himself. Not scaling, I asked for FEATS.

That's worse than trying to use Bizarro's feats to 'prove' what Superman can or cannot do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm that's not what I asked for, I asked for TOAA himself. Not scaling, I asked for FEATS.

It's the EXACT same being

Originally posted by carver9
What Marvel characters with no fts have I given a win against with characters that have fts?
You want me to make a list?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's the EXACT same being

So TOAA should have plenty of feats under his own name. He's been around for a good few years now.

This is IF we're using the argument of 'featzzz111!!!!'

Originally posted by Galan007
That's worse than trying to use Bizarro's feats to 'prove' what Superman can or cannot do.

Such a ****ing bias here, you cheeky ****.

yes

WF wins, what was I thinking

WF is knocked out by Superman. He is weak sauce.

Supes would KO Chaos King even worse.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Supes would KO Chaos King even worse.

Superman would be blinked out of existence.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
WF is knocked out by Superman. He is weak sauce.

And CK lost to Hercules.

Originally posted by SquallX
And CK lost to Hercules.

Amped Hercules

Originally posted by TheHulkster
WF is knocked out by Superman. He is weak sauce.

superman would one shot CK along with the entire marvel pantheons in the multiverse

little man

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Superman would be blinked out of existence.

Dr. Manhattan couldn't even do that. Mxy couldn't. Emperor Joker who casually ****ed with Spectre couldnt.

Supes damaged SF Darkseid. Same Darkseid that fought evenly with the full Source.

A high skyfather level being like CK who was actually worried about Gaia is far below what Supes has handled. Phucking hell even Thor's lightning harmed him a little while he was fighting giant Hercules.

Sorry, but Supes goes to 11.

Originally posted by MrMind
World forger got koed by a continental level punch

Chaos King destroyed Marvel's infinite multiverses

DC only got 52 universes, World Forger created a very small multiverse

Completely different level.

Chaos King destroy World Forger along with the rest of DC with a single handwave

You finally got it right, kid.

Originally posted by SquallX
And CK lost to Hercules.

Actually he doesn't lose, but that Hercules is omnipotent/multiversal.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Dr. Manhattan couldn't even do that. Mxy couldn't. Emperor Joker who casually ****ed with Spectre couldnt.

Supes damaged SF Darkseid. Same Darkseid that fought evenly with the full Source.

A high skyfather level being like CK who was actually worried about Gaia is far below what Supes has handled. Phucking hell even Thor's lightning harmed him a little while he was fighting giant Hercules.

Sorry, but Supes goes to 11.

None in your first paragraph have even tried to blink him out. Mxy and EJ play with him. When does Manhattan attempt?

CK destroys most of the multiverse.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
You finally got it right, kid.

it was a joke post, quan

Originally posted by carver9
Amped Hercules

And Superman was amped by six suns.

Superman being amp by one sun was able to push up against the trusters of Warworld being powered up by Entropy energies itself.

Originally posted by SquallX
And Superman was amped by six suns.

Superman being amp by one sun was able to push up against the trusters of Warworld being powered up by Entropy energies itself.

It only states that he pushes a planet.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It only states that he pushes a planet.

Warworld was not just a mere planet, it was far bigger than the Earth. Not only that, it uses the energies form Entropy itself to move. When Superman was pushing said world, the trusters were on, and Superman had to overpowered the energies.

So no, it was not just a planet that he pushed.

Originally posted by SquallX
Warworld was not just a mere planet, it was far bigger than the Earth. Not only that, it uses the energies form Entropy itself to move. When Superman was pushing said world, the trusters were on, and Superman had to overpowered the energies.

So no, it was not just a planet that he pushed.

Can you provide the quotes saying that he is pushing against these things?

Originally posted by Eon Blue
You finally got it right, kid.

Agreed

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Can you provide the quotes saying that he is pushing against these things?

Sure.

https://tinyurl.com/sbnsxco

"Full thruster countermeasures".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure.

https://tinyurl.com/sbnsxco

"Full thruster countermeasures".

No energies from entropy. Thanks.

Originally posted by SquallX
And Superman was amped by six suns.

Superman being amp by one sun was able to push up against the trusters of Warworld being powered up by Entropy energies itself. I think sundipped Superman was stronger in OWAW. He was in the sun longer.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
No energies from entropy. Thanks. Lol, have you ever read the comics? The comics clearly stated Brainiac ship had taken all energies of imperiex
https://ibb.co/0JLJQkS
https://ibb.co/Jcn8WWS
https://ibb.co/ygJ5GGv
https://ibb.co/XZvLrwq

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, have you ever read the comics? The comics clearly stated Brainiac ship had taken all energies of imperiex
https://ibb.co/0JLJQkS
https://ibb.co/Jcn8WWS
https://ibb.co/ygJ5GGv
https://ibb.co/XZvLrwq

Do you ever read this forum? Nowhere does it say that Superman pushes against Imperiex power.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Do you ever read this forum? Nowhere does it say that Superman pushes against Imperiex power. IT WAS POWERED by Imperiex power
Hell, Brainiac even said
"This planet(Ship) is my body. The Impereix energy is my blood"
https://ibb.co/ZTznSgq

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
IT WAS POWERED by Imperiex power
Hell, Brainiac even said
"This planet(Ship) is my body. The Impereix energy is my blood"
https://ibb.co/ZTznSgq

The word "powered" is not in that quote. As recall, the energy is never completely processed.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The word "powered" is not in that quote. As recall, the energy is never completely processed. This is the post that you replied
Originally posted by SquallX
And Superman was amped by six suns.

Superman being amp by one sun was able to push up against the trusters of Warworld being powered up by Entropy energies itself.
It was clear that Brainiac ship was being powered by Imperiex energies and Superman was pushing that thing.
So either you're stupid or you're just trolling

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
This is the post that you replied

It was clear that Brainiac ship was being powered by Imperiex energies and Superman was pushing that thing.
So either you're stupid or you're just trolling

Where is it stated that the thrusters at being powered by entropy?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is it stated that the thrusters at being powered by entropy? I hope you're just trolling because I refuse to believe any person could that stupid
Brainiac had taken all the power of Imperiex even said this planet(His ship) is his body and imperiex's energies are his blood
But Superman still pushing the whole planet of brainiac and Brainiac doing his best trying to stop superman.
Do I really need to explain the context of this story?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I hope you're just trolling because I refuse to believe any person could that stupid
Brainiac had taken all the power of Imperiex even said this planet(His ship) is his body and imperiex's energies are his blood
But Superman still pushing the whole planet of brainiac and Brainiac doing his best trying to stop superman.
Do I really need to explain the context of this story?

Where does it state that the thrusters are powered by entropy/Emperiex? John says that Superman is pushing s planet. Then thrusters are activated. That's it right?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where does it state that the thrusters are powered by entropy/Emperiex? John says that Superman is pushing s planet. Then thrusters are activated. That's it right? And the planet which Steel mentioned is Brainiac's ship. Brainiac doing his best to stop superman(Full thruster countermeasures).I.E, He was using Imperiex energies to against Superman
It really not that hard to understand

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And the planet which Steel mentioned is Brainiac's ship. Brainiac doing his best to stop superman(Full thruster countermeasures).I.E, He was using Imperiex energies to against Superman
It really not that hard to understand

Where does it state the he is using Imperiex energies against Superman?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where does it state the he is using Imperiex energies against Superman? So Brainiac just letting Superman ruin his plans and his ambitions for no reason? Again, Either you're stupid or you're just trolling

He's just trolling.

It was clearly stated that Warworld absorbed the Imperiex energy. Then B13 used the full thruster countermeasures of Imperiex-amped Warworld to try and prevent Superman from pushing it through a Boom Tube to the beginning of time. Then Warworld goes kablooey and triggers a new big bang.

Hulkster is really trying hard these past couple of days

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulkster is really trying hard these past couple of days Or not enough.

Hmm, where is it stated that he's using that energy? No one has shown the statement.

Originally posted by JBL
Hmm, where is it stated that he's using that energy? No one has shown the statement.

Yeah, it can be debated because the ship/planet already had thrusters before digesting Imperiex energy. I dont know why people are ruling this out. Hulkster question isnt wrong. About to post the scene.

Originally posted by JBL
Hmm, where is it stated that he's using that energy? No one has shown the statement. yeah I got all this power but let me not use it and have my plans wasted by Superman instead.

World Forger

How about prove your own words first?

Where did the comics state that Brainiac hadn't processed

Lol, The comics stated Brainiac was powered by Imperiex clearly
https://ibb.co/Z62wWrP

ummm, So what did this point prove?