Superman Prime replace Odin in Thor 300

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MrMind
Superman Prime is called upon to save asgard in Odin's place

the question is
Can he do better than amped Odin with destroyer armor against the Fourth Host Celestials, this is guardian amped prime

lawest9
No, I don't believe so, just one Celestial may be too much.

Adam Grimes
I'm pretty sure he can just fly through them. But what good will that do?

abhilegend
Originally posted by lawest9
No, I don't believe so, just one Celestial may be too much.
Why?

Prime rips the celestials apart.

lawest9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

Prime rips the celestials apart. What makes you think that even Prime can do that?

abhilegend
Skyfathers vs Arishem

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5364809-2547730429-f2k4W.jpg

Jean Grey with a fraction of PF and emotions of a bunch of aliens vs Arishem. Their next appearance IIRC

https://s13.postimg.cc/kttfb1moz/RCO027_1468939999.jpg https://s10.postimg.cc/op78n01et/RCO028_1468939999.jpg https://s11.postimg.cc/98hysdbe7/RCO029_1468939999.jpg

Conclusion : Skyfathers are a bunch of sissies.

MrMind
you think prime is above skyfather level?

Insane Titan

abhilegend
Originally posted by MrMind
you think prime is above skyfather level?
Absolutely. He has even destroyed a universe as per multiversity (not Earth 51 which was destroyed by Monarch).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/83/14/098314795b755e6d8060b47613be03f1.png

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by abhilegend
Absolutely. He has even destroyed a universe as per multiversity (not Earth 51 which was destroyed by Monarch).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/83/14/098314795b755e6d8060b47613be03f1.png Prime only destroyed the actual planet of Earth-15 on panel. I agree with you though.

Edit: now that you mention it, it appears that it has been retconned by Multiversity. Okay, my bad.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by abhilegend
Absolutely. He has even destroyed a universe as per multiversity (not Earth 51 which was destroyed by Monarch).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/83/14/098314795b755e6d8060b47613be03f1.png thumb up When i was reading multiversity i thought it talking about the universe which was destroyed by monarch explosion

abhilegend
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Prime only destroyed the actual planet of Earth-15 on panel. I agree with you though.

Edit: now that you mention it, it appears that it has been retconned by Multiversity. Okay, my bad. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
thumb up When i was reading multiversity i thought it talking about the universe which was destroyed by monarch explosion
thumb up

cdtm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

Prime rips the celestials apart.


Agreed. He has the powers of The Source.


Or he can call on his 5d imp cousins, or Hourman with the Worlogog.


And LOL at Superman Prime being below Skyfarher level, he empowered EVERY generation of Supermen, including those with 5d imp blood running through their veins.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed. He has the powers of The Source.


Or he can call on his 5d imp cousins, or Hourman with the Worlogog.


And LOL at Superman Prime being below Skyfarher level, he empowered EVERY generation of Supermen, including those with 5d imp blood running through their veins.

Wrong Supes that's being discussed.

cdtm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wrong Supes that's being discussed.



Honest mistake.


Totally honest. And not an attempted derailment into a far more interesting character. whistle





Superboy Prime gets destroyed.

Galan007
There are more questions than answers when it comes to Prime 'destroying' universe-15...

-WHEN did he do it? I'm assuming it was during Countdown, given that this is when he was shown destroying earth-15.
-Was he AMPED at the time? Again, I'm assuming so because he retained the Guardian amp until his final fight with Monarch.
-HOW did he do it? Was it accomplished by flying through(and destroying) every single planet and star in the universe one by one, or does he have some esoteric ability to one-shot universes that we've never seen him use on-panel?
-WHY was universe-15's destruction never mentioned in any material aside from that one blurb in the Multiversity Guidebook?
-WHY, at the end of FC, would Nix have ONLY been concerned with remaking universe-51, if another universe in the Orrery had also been destroyed as a result of Prime's shenanigans?


On top of that, universe-15 was recently used in Morrison's GL series. After the GLs travel there...in search of the Cosmic Grail, mind you...we can clearly see the moon, as well as a multitude of stars, behind Zundernell(in addition to them literally standing on earth-15):
https://i.imgur.com/ZrmrWri.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FErB2R0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7OkYxee.jpg

...Which implies that the universe may not have been destroyed entirely, but rather, purged of all life.



At any rate, Prime is already powerful enough on his own. I don't see a reason to try and make him a bonafide universe-buster because of that one blurb... Especially given the above. /shrug

AlbertoJohnAvil
a single celestial would beat Prime senseless

cdtm
I take it back.


Superman Prime still beat up Mxy.

"But he had help from Annataz!"


Good point.

Superboy Prime kidnapped, tortured, and broke a being who could depower Mxy.


Sorry lowballers, there is no way to minimize that feat. Superboy Prime kidnapped and tortured Mxy and Annataz, period.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
There are more questions than answers when it comes to Prime 'destroying' universe-15...

-WHEN did he do it? I'm assuming it was during Countdown, given that this is when he was shown destroying earth-15.
-Was he AMPED at the time? Again, I'm assuming so because he retained the Guardian amp until his final fight with Monarch.
-HOW did he do it? Was it accomplished by flying through(and destroying) every single planet and star in the universe one by one, or does he have some esoteric ability to one-shot universes that we've never seen him use on-panel?
-WHY was universe-15's destruction never mentioned in any material aside from that one blurb in the Multiversity Guidebook?
-WHY, at the end of FC, would Nix have ONLY been concerned with remaking universe-51, if another universe in the Orrery had also been destroyed as a result of Prime's shenanigans?


On top of that, universe-15 was recently used in Morrison's GL series. After the GLs travel there...in search of the Cosmic Grail, mind you...we can clearly see the moon, as well as a multitude of stars, behind Zundernell(in addition to them literally standing on earth-15):
https://i.imgur.com/ZrmrWri.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FErB2R0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7OkYxee.jpg

...Which implies that the universe may not have been destroyed entirely, but rather, purged of all life.



At any rate, Prime is already powerful enough on his own. I don't see a reason to try and make him a bonafide universe-buster because of that one blurb... Especially given the above. /shrug
That's a strange response. We know that the multiverse was restructured after Flashpoint and all the universes were again recreated in Convergence.

Its a straight up line, no need to over analyze it. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
a single celestial would beat Prime senseless
laughing out loud

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a strange response. We know that the multiverse was restructured after Flashpoint and all the universes were again recreated in Convergence.

Its a straight up line, no need to over analyze it. The Multiversity Guidebook takes the events of Flashpoint into account:
https://i.imgur.com/P9o8rnU.jpg

Which means this is post-Flashpoint earth-15:
https://i.imgur.com/swYLdjD.png

...Which means it was not recreated/altered by Flashpoint.


Either way, asking pertinent questions about Prime supposedly 'destroying' universe-15, and providing more recent evidence(from Morrison himself) about the current state of universe-15 =/= over-analyzation.

In fact, the GL series actually takes the Guidebook entry into consideration, as the Lanterns explicitly traveled to the "forbidden" universe-15 in search of the Cosmic Grail, and it is mentioned that the universe is all but lifeless... And again: it's also written by Morrison.

Regardless, thinking of Prime as a bonafide universe-buster solely because of that single blurb is dubious at best... As mentioned, there are far more questions than answers where that 'feat' is concerned.

DarkSaint85
One has a better chance or arguing SBP breaks the fourth Wal and wins that way, tbh.

Putinbot1
Superman himself given the right corcumstances could World Forger every celestial and the 616 abstract host in it's entirety before they knew what hit them.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
The Multiversity Guidebook takes the events of Flashpoint into account:
https://i.imgur.com/P9o8rnU.jpg

Which means this is post-Flashpoint earth-15:
https://i.imgur.com/swYLdjD.png

...Which means it was not recreated/altered by Flashpoint.

Sure, but you are showing scans of TGL 11 which is after Doomsday clock where multiverse was restructured.

Not really, multiversity guidebook states plain and simple that the universe was destroyed. Nothing to show it was wrong at that time.

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really, multiversity guidebook states plain and simple that the universe was destroyed. Nothing to show it was wrong at that time. I think you're missing my point?

I'm not saying that the universe wasn't destroyed(even though there are implications that it wasn't.) I'm saying that we don't know any particulars behind HOW it was destroyed... So Prime's 'feat' is essentially worthless.

abhilegend
I disagree.

Galan007
What do you disagree with?

abhilegend
With the feat being worthless.

Galan007
Okay.

So why do you think it is a useful measuring stick in versus threads?

abhilegend
Skyfathers can't destroy an entire universe. Neither can celestials.

Galan007
...Which brings us back to one of my initial questions:

-HOW did he do it? Was it accomplished by flying through(and destroying) every single planet and star in the universe one by one, or does he have some esoteric ability to one-shot universes that we've never seen him use on-panel?


If we don't know the answer to this, then how exactly is the 'feat' a useful measuring stick?

DarkSaint85
It's as useful as any off panel fight.

Which is to say, not very

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by Galan007
...Which brings us back to one of my initial questions:

-HOW did he do it? Was it accomplished by flying through(and destroying) every single planet and star in the universe one by one, or does he have some esoteric ability to one-shot universes that we've never seen him use on-panel?


If we don't know the answer to this, then how exactly is the 'feat' a useful measuring stick? At the time I assumed Prime accomplished it by doing what he intended to do in IC's finale. Which involved flying through the center of the universe at high at phuck speeds to destroy it, or something along those lines.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
...Which brings us back to one of my initial questions:

-HOW did he do it? Was it accomplished by flying through(and destroying) every single planet and star in the universe one by one, or does he have some esoteric ability to one-shot universes that we've never seen him use on-panel?


If we don't know the answer to this, then how exactly is the 'feat' a useful measuring stick?
He punched very hard.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by abhilegend
Skyfathers can't destroy an entire universe. Neither can celestials.

Celestials created an entire multiverse

laughing out loud Your ignorance knows no bounds

abhilegend
That origin has been retconned out. Anyway, Fourth host didn't create anything.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Except they did

https://i.postimg.cc/NK07dyZY/3581846-8835940756-34732.jpg

I understand your frustration and hatred on marvel characters due to getting repetatedly manhandled on comicvine but it's common sense among the public that celestials operate far above just "universal"

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
He punched very hard. laughing out loud

Gotcha. thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except they did

https://i.postimg.cc/NK07dyZY/3581846-8835940756-34732.jpg

I understand your frustration and hatred on marvel characters due to getting repetatedly manhandled on comicvine but it's common sense among the public that celestials operate far above just "universal"
Read Ultimates kid. That origin is no longer valid.

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